Mirage 2000C - A Dogfight Against Real French Rafale Pilot | Part 2 | DCS | F/A-18C Hornet | ATE
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Big thank you to ATE for coming out and doing this video if you want to see us do Viper vs Mirage let us know below, thank you all for watching and take care.
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Sorry but i wanna see you struggle against him in the 14 instead of the 16
Fight him in the Tomcat, but you have to kill him by getting underneath him and getting Jester so scared he ejects right into the bottom of Ate's plane.
Murder Hornet. I like that!
If at least a small number of countries, but it seems to me that it turns out to be a lot - to give up aggressive goods to Chinese and Russian manufacturers - it would result in huge problems, which would be the greatest non-violent act .... 👍👍👍
Definitely want to see that !
GS : "The Mirage is often seen as a weaker aircraft against the F18"
ATE : "Hold my Baguette"
Thus proved pilot matters more than plane
A real Mirage 2000 pilot said in an interview that the hardest aircraft to beat out of the Hornet, Super Hornet and F16 is by far the F16. But he won against all of them...
But you have to adapt to the aircraft you're fighting.
@@samahithars8001 Manfred approves
@@mokka1115
Thanks
We don't need no Fn more Poutine.
'Do you want to see ATE..." YES!!!!!!!
Roger Hinman AND A-10 ? Yeah... he don’t pilot it irl
Oui!
Just yes
this video is most interesting then all your other videos please do videos with ATE.
9:56 "I'm lucky not to get hit there"
9:59-wingtip: "Imma head out..."
Just pure enjoyment seeing you both dogfighting.
The wingtip was like "f*ck this shit dude, I'm out of here"
6:50 "I hit him, hey!"
"Oh and he hit me"
"Wonderful"
*Dies in glorious explosion*
@Hiwegara Groove I was thinking to myself, "what a historic way to die 🥲".
Anyone notice that really professional final move. He finishes the fight and kills GS' Hornet. He immediately snaps wings level and starts a smooth exit climb
Hey that is what I would have done too.
I mean at that point you are to plan for a nice ride back to home plate or your mission, and then your enemy is mistakes and fuel economy.
And I also think you would like a comfy exit after that too :D
Immelman turn?
Well, considering how close to the ground the M2K is at that stage, it only seems like a natural move to me.
I don't even play DCS but these are interesting to watch!
Yeah, same here.
Yeah
me too ,blown away by this
I probably couldn't even play DCS because I can never spot bogies through the canopy as fast as GS.
It's just transport sims for me, I guess.
Haha, Thanks for having me ! It's much more fun to dogfight you than the AI! (even if I challenge you guys to the 1v6 challenge... ua-cam.com/video/FwWHEZWzJrA/v-deo.html ) Fly safe!
thanks ate, once again brother it was an honor and a very humbling experience to have you on the channel, all the best man.
Je demande l'Armée de l'Air et de l'Espace , je demande Hellenic Airforce. Mirage 2000-5 & Rafale F3R 4 the win !!!
Great combo helmet, Canadian and French. Très beau Até!
@@ZSVisuals Might be a tie. Kidding.
very cool you showed up to share your knowledge - the tac view move is wild! I'm just a yankee civvie. and a peacenik lol -- but dcs is fascinating -- i subd yr channel -- hope you keep on - Thank you for the statue of liberty too lol
GS, to put it clear and loud: We want to see you fight with ATE with ALL the available birds and possible scenarios, AND we want him to lead you in some realistic attack missions coop. Everyday. And nights.
Clear enough? :-P
Loud and clear. Over and out!
Kon Fuzon nope gotta make it more clear xd
@@cypher9000 please don't ever say over and out. I was signals and this hurts me dearly
@@johnnytopgun6414 good copy?
Growling sidewinder in a F-18 : puts Ate in a mirage
Ate :so you have chosen death
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I was like oh man, you really don't value your life! Lmao I was really impressed at how long GS lasted though. Imagine if they had a Rafale. That would be so awesome and also scary to watch Ate do his thing. Lol
@@Duderino27 ATE Chuet is a very impressive guy, on his youtube channel, he tells about many things, not only plane fights, but also accidents. He is very skilled in a fighters but he also know a lot of things in this field
The commentary over the video is top notch, it gives a inexperienced DCS pilot a little insight on whats going on in the Dogfight, Great Job once again man!
Thanks man glad you enjoyed
Bong bang
I would like to see ATE in a Mirage versus F-16 or F-18 in a BVR fight. I want to see how he deals with the SPAAMRAMs with only Fox 1's and 2's.
In visual range dogfight are over rated, BVR is totally better
BVR is dry ngl
@@Duderino27 He's not armée de l'air though. Aéronavale ftw!
@Mike Honcho The French Navy entirely classifies its carrier landing procedures tho
The French use the Meteor which is far superior to AMRAAM
I’ve been flying for 30yrs, and ATE is clearly a superb fighter pilot. Great video!
French navy pilots are the best of the breed in France
@@vincentkermorgant toi, tu es breton :)
What did you fly?
@@vincentkermorgant Navy pilots are the best basically everywhere.
@@SerbanOprescu Switzerland?
Think about those missed 20/30 mm rounds ripping through your house from a dogfight 4 miles away.
Ouch
These rounds do not have any penetration capabilities, they explode on impact but carry as much explosive as a grenade basically... If youre not staying near a wall, you should be fine :D
Monfort Nicolas. Sound like the difference between a heavy lead tip vs a hollow point.
*30 grenade size explosives going off in the yard and on the house*
"You'll be fine"
Yeah tell that to my wife 😆
@@theaceofspades485 She'll be, but only if she stays in the Kitchen :D
Looks like what he did was somehow transfer a lot of his forward velocity to the back which slid the tail out and made the plane pivot around its CoM. In other words, he literally drifted that airplane going 300mph.
Great video! Hats off to you for having the courage, and humility to make videos like this. Too many content creators falsely believe that losing to a real pilot, like this, will damage their brand. I disagree. For one, you do show amazing skill, even when you lose. This guy would kill me in 2 seconds. You have shot him down in two videos, even if it is clear he is a better pilot. He has the benefit of being trained by experts...lot's of training and debriefing by experts...until he too became an expert. The fact that you win some, and always make it a challenge for him, shows that you have learned some skill also. Flying against guys like Ate, will only make you better. And anyone with a brain will respect you for doing these fights.
Thank you man very kind of you and I agree with u fully there is no shame in losing to a real pilot
Loving these fights with ATE, but I'd also love to hear you two chatting during the fight stirring each other a bit and having some banter, but also some technique discussions in real time :)
‘The mirage is often seen as weaker’
Each jet has its own strengths
A good pilot would get the enemy into a situation where they are able to use their strengths and avoid the enemy’s strengths
Fascinating to watch actual pilots do combat. Maybe get c w leimone to fly an 18 and ate to fly the mirage and get them to fight see what happens
in another interview até said something like "oh typhoons, they like to fly high and fast, we like to sneak low and spook them" as far as i followed news, the rafale had been beaten only once by the typhoon during exercises despite the typhoon being more of an interceptor and overall better on the paper for air to air. it was a two seater piloted by an air to ground crew.
doctrines....
@Calamity he (até) explained in a video that the ceiling is a pilot equipment issue "past that altitude your blood start boiling so you better stay below in peace time in case of pressurisation issue" if you equip the pilot with a pressurised suit like it was done since cold war its not a problem any more. BTW the ceiling according to dassault data sheet says 50k feet, which mean there wouldn't be a need for giving instruction to pilot regarding blood boiling since blood start boiling around 65k feet so the plane would never reach a dangerous altitude. 50k is an arbitrary safety limit for peace time.
the actual ceiling i would like to know about is when engines can't run any more or not well enough to surpass drag limiting speed which mean limiting the lift that can be generated in thin air. curious about what stops the plane first. simulators put the engine out but how it is irl?
If he's doing that with a Mirage, I want to see what he'll do with a Flanker.
I second that
Yes good idea!
I don't think there's a single person who would unironically not want more of this! More please!!!
Vipers? Absolutely! If' Ate' has time in the future,some BVR would be cool. Thanks for the great dogfight videos
I wonder, could we get Mover's Viper against Ate's Mirage? Although that makes me wonder if Mover even plays DCS. But this would be amazing
That move that ATE uses to point the nose at GSW is fantastic! Using innate airframe flight characteristics and instability to his advantage like that reminds me of how Jimi hendrix used interference etc as part of his music, or like flat-plating the bird in an f86 sabre to get a reversal... Just some masterful experience you'd only know from flying the real thing and learning from experienced instructors etc.
This is my second encounter with DCS content. Came from part 1. You're cinematography is great, and I'm hooked. Great content!
Até is such a humble guy.
"Oh no...what is that....that looked very important!" Awesome exchange with ATE and again, another mesmerizing video.
Stellar editing, man. The way you put instant replays in there, in slow-mo, from different angles, just makes the whole thing 10x better.
7:05 That double KO was so dramatic! Not even movies come close to GS DCS sessions :-D
You can see ATE in Chasse Embarquée's tactical display video :)
Right in the baton tiger meet 2017 I think! The skin of his rafale was awesome!
Absolutely loved the vid and especially love the interview afterwards. Thanks to both yourself and Ate for doing this. Of the countless vids that I have watched these past two vids have to be the best imo.
how does he always see where they are like all i see is a spec of dust on my screen😂
These vids with Ate are some of the best you have done IMHO.....excellent stuff :)
Thanks guys for a great dogfight, the Mirage is such dangerous weapon when used correctly. ATE, amazing manoeuvre, Growling thanks for sharing really informative, learned a lot about from that. Love to see more. 😊
Love all these videos with Até. The United States is privileged to have such great pilots and warriors alongside us.
i don't play flightsims let alone such complex ones and know next to nothing about aviation.
and yet i find this absolutely mesmerizing to watch. awesome work!:)
"If you want the real fighter experience, do a workout first and then play DCS." -Ate in the last video.
Not to make things harder for GS but I vote for the Viper fight but let's up the ante and have you guys both put in a workout before you fly!
Loved the Mirage vs. Hornet fight! I want more asymmetric fights with ATE! Awesome!
Absolutely amazing, stumbled across this by accident & imho this vid & the last one are 2 of the best things I've seen on UA-cam
You’re a real master in DCS, and your videos are amazing. Congratulations for the tie.
Thank you so much for doing these series with Ate. My mind is blown
Once your experience advantage with DCS equals out, I expect he'll be taking your wings off more oft than not. Much appreciate you setting all this up, was a pleasure to watch.
Day 5.
Still watching in awe the "roll to drift"maneuver that Ate did. 19:10
First time I saw it I was like "Whhhat? Do this guy know how to turn M2k into a thrust vectored bird?"
This is one of the most impressive things I ever saw in DCS, just can't get enough of it!
And thank GS for bringing us such a high quality content!
Keep working bro!
Which moment in the video are you talking about?
@@cypher9000 19:10 , I'm sorry for not put it in the post. Enjoy!
One of the best videos DCS I've seen. that was awesome. Good for Ate for learning the DCS world that quickly.
Stumbled onto these vids somehow, and absolutely love the way you present it. And then to have a real pilot on is very eye opening; the speed at which he adapted (I guess in real life if you don't adapt very fast then you are dead.).
Just look at the way he manipulates the mechanical properties of the delta wing airframe. It's mesmerizing as all hell. I could watch him dog fight all day.
Loved it! The difference is stark. I have watched so many of your other vids, but the REAL fighter pilot was clearly more aggressive at every opportunity. Virtual dogfighters tend to approach the fight with a "Long game" attitude that wouldn't survive for seconds versus the top guns. Thanks for sharing.
I was hoping for this. Thanks to you guys for making this
When you guys turn head on to line up shots at about 100ft off the ground is insane!!!. Great video Sidewinder!!
That maneuver he pulled at the top of the spiral was brilliant. Used the delta as an airbrake to make that 180, then rolled over (I think this was for momentum making the second roll) and jammed in rudder to get his nose around. Such a brilliant maneuver to try and get onto your six. Great fighting and interview. Love your post fight analysis. Wonder if the Hornet could even attempt that maneuver? Might be worth practicing just to see if it gives you any kind of edge or allows for opening other options in a fight
Man I love your channel, so entertaining. Big thanks for the many great hours shared and noumerous funny moments. I had a good laugh today. :D
Greatings to Até too, thank you for serving.
Man I absolutely love seeing these videos of Ate strutting his stuff. Very cool guy. Definitely looking forward to the next video with him.
I love it. I love it. And of course, I want him to see as much as possible. Great stuff.
In the words of our good friend Fiesty at 10:31
KEEP JINKING
Até souhait! x)
Amazing video! And of course we want an other one, for sure!
So much fun watching you relate dogfights with Até. I have been binge watching!
Dude, i love this serious. This is a great series. ALSO YES ! VIPER
I noticed Ate deftly tracking his nose on you with yaw at one point and I think yaw was a key component in that beautiful rolling redirect maneuver. I think yaw control is a weakness for many pilots; would Ate agree that this is an essential skill component that deserves some attention? Love this video! Definitely want to see a Viper fight as well as BVR with Ate if possible!
I love YAW i use it so much just for that little tilt to get the nose where you need it for that short burst This was in WW2 flight Sims but yeah
Hey Até is back, in the mirage this time !!! Even if he still don't know how to use the radar lock for the guns 😁
Edit: it seem he's find how to use radar 😄
@@Duderino27 Theres no such thing as dirty fighting when its a fight for your life. Its kill or be killed.
@@Duderino27 So is issue is that he doesn't have a proper HOTAS to use the weapon system to its full extent.
His point is more about BFM than weapon system.
He is a B737 Max pilot recovering from medical issue in the middle of COVID-19 crisis. So I can understand he isn't investing a lot of money on expensive gaming hardware.
But 1 Vs 1 virtual fight are performed in sterile environments.
You can fight until fuel burn out if you want.
IRL, you want to kill ASAP because otherwise you can be surprised anytime by a second enemy fighter coming in.
If you need 5 minutes it's waaaaay too long.
Lol ya I showed him how to use the radar lock and stuff In the mirage....something I regret doing lol 😂
@@Duderino27 also he is playing on a 15 inch laptop without trackIR or VR aha
@@Duderino27 yeah I really want to see what kind of beast he'll become with a proper setup
Really enjoyed these vids with Ate - thanks to both of you gentlemen.
this was a great mini interview. its cool getting his perspective on things
When the Rafale comes out in dcs, you guys HAVE to do another fight ;)
I just commented about that AFAIK Super Etendard is on its way. Rafale sadly not even in a decade though...
Etendard is beautiful in its own way, love those planes
@@eatthisvr6 typhoon has an edge in instantaneous, rafale sustain turns
a rafale is in developpement but for the AdA only ahahah
Very nice video once again. Those Callsign stories were so hilarious. Everytime i tried to guess where those nicknames came from, i've been so far from truth ! 😄
Just loved it.. was waiting for so many days..
Love this videos brother, they feel like in a real situation of death or live, cuz ATE goes for the kill since the first moment same that you, so feels absolutely evolving. Thank you!!
Sidewinder... seriously mate, two of the best vids on your channel. ATE is great and I never knew he existed before your first vid. Cheers, I hope you guys keep it up and find other ways of getting sims like this better, realistic (within reason due to lack of feedback) and just have fun.
Just wish I knew French so I could watch all his shit!
50% of the content is in English! Check the english channels! 😏
pierrehenrichuet but I want what I cannot have :) it’s NOT MY fault I’m ignorant and cannot understand such a beautiful language!
COME TO THINK OF IT, Might get me in the good books with the misses as well :)
I’m mainly trying to poke fun champ and outline the ignorant attitude many have that because ‘they’ can’t understand something that others need to change. Sorry it was lost in poor written communication. I’ve watched some of ATE’s English vids and even got on to his English live stream last night/yesterday afternoon which was great!
All above said, damn I want to get back to flight sims!
YESSS! Didn't have to wait too long for the Mirage, thank you. Definitely wanna see you fight him in the Viper!
Ate in true warrior fashion, quite courageous & humble. Enjoyed the dialogue and theory exchange. Bravo, well done.
Thank you guys, merci Até
What masterful flying, he pulled a High yo yo inside the loop to get guns on you!! Wow 😲 I want more!!💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿 Please, Yesss I want more!!
Only Flankers can drift.
...
ATE : Hold my beer.
you mean, Até*? roight??? R O I G H T??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!
Delta wings can too
I guess the rad little mirage maneuver is what ATE means when he says he likes delta wing because he can force the 1 circle fight quickly! That was wild. These are some of my favorite vids of yours man! So cool.
Awesome again wow. That piroet was amazing by Ate. Enjoyed it as always. :)
I now officially have a new meaning for the word "pimp"
Really great vid, thanks GS. Like some others commented, a tac-view debrief with ATé would also be great.
[the trick with his call sign "ATé" is coming from the expression we give to someone sneezing. In English: sneeze -> "bless you!" ; in French: sneeze -> "à tes souhaits!" which translates literally into "to your wishes" (don't ask why we say that..). this expression sounds like: [ Ah-té-sueway ] ; and as he explained, his family name being CHUET, it sounds a bit like "souhait" , so his squadron gave him the "ATE": "ATE-CHUET" ~ "à tes souhait" ].. ^^
Accurate explanation ! Je valide
Damn, that's a brutal "bless you" right there.
7:05 Double K.O. Nice one.
@@Duderino27 I disagree a bit. ATE is really struggling with the gun aiming in DCS, I feel GS is more comfortable in those fights, but maybe too contemplative of his opponent so he get passively brung into unfavorable situations.
That ending of Round 1...seriously good editing and music score mate...real art.
Bravo!
I'd love to see ATE in a Mirage 2000 vs a F-16 Viper
Next: Mirage vs Viper next.
Next.
Excellent editing Growler ! Hats off
Great video! Lots of in depth on tactics that will make us all better DCS pilots.
Man these yours videos against this french pilot are amazing. They're so exciting... Would it be possible for you to make a video with the F-5E Tiger II? Greetings from Brazil!!!
Can we get a rematch, mirage vs viper.
Question for ATE,
What does he think on russian Sukhoi fighter lines, what would his approach be in a Rafale in both BVR and close in dogfight.
@@Duderino27 its really not classified, they are pretty open. The only ones really classified is gen5.
And i wasn't asking for his numbers i was asking for his opinion on tactics.
What we he do? I asked him for his opinion on aircraft because incase you missed the last one the man, helped design and sell air craft and gave lectures on flying, combat and has flown for both Canada and France, his knowledge on different tactics has to be vast.
And my questions were for ATE, unless you are a pilot, im sorry but your opinion was not asked for?
@@Duderino27 the range of radars, and missle flight times and g tolerance aren't classifed any more. They are pretty out in the open.
The AIM9X vs the R73
Then there is the AIM120 vs the R77.
You can look them up anywhere.
I really enjoy the 2 of you doing those rounds. It is by far my favorite content, probably because ATE is just damn good. Please continue to make more videos with him. Yeah do want to see you fight in 16s :)
Another brilliant video. Absolutely stunning work.
9:56 - "what is that? That looked very important"
After a couple rewinds, you can see your right wing loses its aileron. No big deal, I'm sure you'll be fine with the one on the other wing. :P
GS: "I'm not very good in the MIrage, although I do have more hours in DCS" 🤣🤣 Loved this, you say absolute gold sometimes dude. Seems like Ate is even more aggressive than last time. Yes to F16s, its like a holy trinity, unless you also do F15s as well?? (Also the kill music makes me laugh every time hehe, just seems so fitting but also wrong at the same time)
I've watched a lot of your vids and this is the best content on the channel. What a pilot ATE is!
Awesome stuff, i really like Ate, so really happy for that fights !!
I would like to see you in a Tomcat vs him.
Amazing video as always. As you can see ate isn't really used to the sight but once he gets proficient he'll be the killer.
By the way what's the name of the classical song that you use during the first kill cam slow mo ?
Just started watching your videos. Watching your replays is like watching a deadly form of ballet. They way you guys maneuver these planes around is pretty dam impressive and looks freaking cool. Cheers.
Outstanding content, great fights and a great video. Thanks to you both, Ate and GS for doing this for us! Sure learned a lot this time around again so pleazzee do more fights 😊
I would like to see Até in a WWII fighter.
19:15 That flip is just pro level shit. I am guessing here but.. looks like he compresses the wing then uses the fact that air is compressed at the back where authority is, to then rotate, knowing that the compressed air will make it rotate faster but at the same time he does negative G such that he de-compresses the front of the wing and causes the nose to regain nose authority. Almost feels like the little trick you do on WW2 fighters with rudder but adapted to delta wing.
Any idea what it is called?
@@behindthen0thing Look at the footage closely, it looks like the plane quite glitch when he goes upside down but in reality it doesn't.
I'll explain point by point :
-He start pulling the stick so he stays above GS gunsight. But when he does that, aerodynamically, air compresses a lot on the back of the wing (this is the white smoke you see when they turn) so the plain becomes some what less maneuverable (I won't explain further, you'll need drawings).
-He decides to go back on his target (GS) so he turn upside down. But it almost looks like he roll to quickly so he would not be in a good position to keep an offensive position. So when he is upside down he push the stick, so the noes goes down (from his perspective).
-The air that was compressed on the back of the wing gets decompressed (it compress when you pull, so decompress when you push, kind of logical). But as I said, if you loose maneuverability when air is compressed, you'll gain when it decompress, so that allows him to go on a REALLY sharp turn to get on the back of his opponent.
-you'll see when he does that that the beginning of the turn is really sharp and then it turns to kind of a long turn, because then air recompress and he loose some maneuverability. I can only guess that this happen because he is used to the Raphale which performs better in turning.
Any question ?
I would call it the Delta Tumble
Those ground views are astonishing. The sound and the sight. Oh my.
That Polish F-15 performed really well! Thnx for the vid GS!
TOMCAT!
Seriously, take him on in the Tomcat.
tomcat is really really good in BVR, but for dogfight .... no...
@@Zorann82 *laughs in VHS*
@@Zorann82 Dude the Tomcat is one of THE best turn fighters in DCS
I'll have you know, I Taco Bell and DCS all the time. Maybe I'll start an anti-PIMP seminar...
The music you use during the cinematic shots just make it so much more idk man but it gives me chills
3yr old video ... one of the best I've watched. Well done.
@Growling Sidewinder - have you considered contacting C.W Lemoin "Mover" to do a Viper duel ?
I would love that although I'm pretty sure C.W. Lemoine vowed not to show any dogfighting techniques against non AI opponents. Apart from the one time he did dogfight a hornet pilot friend of his.