I've had an interest in Bonnie & Clyde since I was a teenager ... and now I'm an old guy. I've read all the books and everything I can find online ... but your presentations always add something extra. I've thoroughly enjoyed your Bonnie & Clyde series and have subscribed to your channel.
Thank you so much, this is a fabulous compliment. Feel free to suggest topics you would like me to cover, and I really appreciate you subscribing. You might like some of my previous videos, maybe the Wild Bill Hickok shootout, Cobra Scare, or my tour of a B-25 bomber where I talk about the Doolittle raid. I think that is a good video but no one can find it.
It is, if people go to my channel and scroll down, but the UA-cam algorithm isn’t showing it to anyone in searches, suggestions or browsing and I can’t figure out how to remedy that. It seems it might be such a popular topic maybe there is too much competition with other videos? Hopefully someday it will get picked up. Liking it and commenting on it might help.
This is very good. You went into detail about something others never do. It takes work, and this is well researched. You're not putting on makeup as you talk (what that has to do with true crime I'll never know), and you give us the story plain and true. The cemetery shots are very cool. Thank you for this channel.
I’m not good enough at doing makeup for that, lol. I also think that’s weird. I have thought a circus themed episode where I apply clown makeup might be a fun satire. I also have a weird sense of humor. I’m glad you are enjoying the channel. Thank you so much for watching.
Apparently Bonnie lived in Commerce in the 20s. One local I talked to was convinced she knew Percy Boyd, as he had been the Chief for many years. Maybe, maybe not, she would have been a child then. I don’t think either found joy in cruelty and Clyde didn’t like killing people though he absolutely would if it was a matter of him or you. Not that they should be celebrated, but their story is a part of history, and I think it’s important to portray them as they really were and correct the myths. I’m glad you are enjoying my channel!
@@MMorbid I think, just like Wyatt Earp and his brothers, they "danced" on both sides of the law. the trouble is , when guns are involved someone is going to get hurt or killed. talking about our history as a nation, I think it is a shame they are tearing down these confederate monuments. these people that do this dont realize that at that time that is what people thought. thanks
@@gregboyden564 There is no evidence of the Earp brothers breaking the law except the period after Wyatt lost his wife and child. He became a falling down drunk and stole a horse. Charges were later dropped. Wyatt's brothers helped him clean up. After that period, Wyatt had a strong moral code.
The leg work and time you put into these videos is very impressive. I've been watching your Bonnie & Clyde Series and the personal information you've found on them, as well as all of the others involved, is great. I also absolutely love the pictures you've incorporated into your videos. Your attention to detail is spectacular. Please keep all of these stories coming. I'm watching your Titanic Playlist next .. lol
Madame. This is the second of your videos I have watched. You take me to places I have always wondered about. And to places that I was unaware of until you. Cheers from California.
Would you consider doing a series on Waverly Hills in Louisville, Ky. In the tuberculosis days? There's a lot of history there and cruel experimental surgeries.
Oh yes, is it available to the public or is it abandoned? I have seen it featured on paranormal shows for years and would love to research it but I’d like to go inside. I actually have family I could stay with there. Are there other locations I should check out when I go there?
Did you see my Mickey Mantle episodes? I did two of them before this one. They’re kind of old so not as sophisticated as more recent stuff. According to stories he was old enough to know who they were and be scared they would get him.
That was great. My grandfather was close friends with Cal, and was one of those who was there after the killing forced to help. Grandpa worked at the mine. The cemetery you visited have a lot of my relatives in it. When I was a kid in the 60s the old folks were talking about the killing of Cal. I heard it and my folks sent us kids to play. I was terrified that Bonnie and Clyde would kill me. You see, they neglected to mention they were dead!
@@MMorbid Yeah. I am not sure the theme of your channel. My uncle was life long buddies with the son of Pretty Boy Floyd. Charles, the son, was a nice man and would give talks about his dad. He had a trunk with his dad's belongings, guns, badges he stole, letters etc. I found it fascinating. From what I recall my uncle knew Mrs Floyd well and liked her but saw the dad but never talked to him because the kids were not allowed around should the police show up and shooting take place. I know nothing about the dad's crime just Charles Jr. His dad's things as are likely with the Floyd family in the East bay of San Francisco area.
Another great vid with lots of information . I spent a lot of time in the area as I have mentioned on your other vids that I lived in the area and know all these locations well . I did subscribe and look forward to new vids ..Once again you might look into Wilbur Underhill from Joplin I think , also known as the "tri state terror "Underhill had a brief criminal career but a local guy for you and me and very little has been done on Underhill ..well done vid as always
Mary at the museum told me about it but I was there shooting Mickey Mantle and Route 66 videos that day and never made it over there. Those poor people, getting robbed twice!
Hi I just subscribed as I´m fascinated by Bonnie and Clyde history. I hope to visit there myself someday. I will check your other videos also. Keep up the good work!
Testimony at trial said Bonnie was first out and shooting, feeling like you do about these killers has clouded your judgement. They were merciless killers looking for guns, money and cars. Just because they didn't kill everyone they came across means nothing. They were killers stone cold murders. They took hard working people's money, cars and shot anyone who got in the way.
You are wrong, this is text of the actual appeal, detailing exactly what happened. You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. People keep mentioning this supposed court testimony and it simply isn’t true. Every single eyewitness account mentions two men shooting Campbell and Boyd. Also, the opinions voiced here are Boyd’s, not mine, though after reading opinions like this over and over from others who knew them or encountered them I have come to believe their descriptions. law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/court-of-appeals-criminal/1936/52185.html
Recall that in 1933 the gang was in a car crash that pinned Bonnie in a burning car. She was burned to the leg bone and could not have done any jumping after that.
I was told by my Great Grandfather that Mr. Boyd worked with him at the Eagle Pitcher Mine office before the war. I don't know if it was always called that, but it's the only name I remember it being called. It was about 2 miles east of Commerce. He told me all the stories about Bonnie and Clyde and their robberies in the area. He was in Baxter Springs the day they robbed Edins Grocery store for the second time. Apparently, they had robbed it for a first time about a week before!
Thanks for sharing. That is amazing! Sadly that Baxter Springs store is gone. I knew they robbed it twice but I did think there was more time between robberies, lol. Either way, those poor people.
I have wondered this myself. Honestly I have no idea. Maybe Emma got it on May 6? Or maybe they let it go or gave it to someone they encountered on the road. I honestly have no idea.
I recognize all these areas ....I grew up in Miami,Oklahoma & my Great Grandmother told me about Bonnie& clyde & the commerce Incident she was living in Miami Oklahoma when it happened & my Great grandfather worked in the nearby Mines . Good video!!....I do have a small channel lol...Take care,Roger Champlin
Thanks! I took a look at your channel, looks like you started 2 months ago? Good job getting that first hundred. Seriously the first hundred is the hardest it took me 18 months to hit 1,000. I had a video go viral and I went from 900 to 15,500 in one month. So just keep going. I subscribed and look forward to seeing where you go! Thanks for watching!!
"As long as possible" means I watch it 42 times. Excellent content, Madame. Yall just be safe here in Louisiana. PS: you're better than those Massachusetts morbid podcast broads. Much better.
Well dang, not surprised though. The mother and son who own the Route 66 dairy restaurant told me about it and verbally described it to me. It’s not shocking that I misunderstood exactly which building. Oh well, it sounds like I got the right house though which should have (you would think) have been harder to get right. 😝
lol it happens and there use to be a lot more buildings there surrounding the one you have the pic of, which were torn down, so it can definitely get confusing. My husband grew up in/graduated from Commerce and even since he was young so much has changed.@@MMorbid
as far as the house, I have no clue. I do know he and his daughter Iva McBee lived together and that is where his body was lying in state. Sadly her husband had passed just a few months earlier in Jan of 1934 at the age of 32!@@MMorbid
My step dad told me my father was gangster and said ohh and they are not right to do so period of myself on my behalf is unauthorized and prohibited from disclosing reading the message is intended only for my family is unauthorized and strictly prohibited to do so in the first place period.
Percy Boyd said that Bonnie had fired prematurely (which precipitated the shootout) and Clyde admonished her for it afterward in the car. Also, they apologized for Campbell's death but kept making jokes about it.
I don’t know where you read this but it does not match other witness testimony or reports in the criminal court case against Methvin which is full text online. I will gladly look at whatever it is you read if you can direct me to it.
@@MMorbid I just finished the book "AMBUSH" by Ted Hinton, who was one of the six officers that caught up with them. He quoted Percy Boyd, " They have no fear of being captured, They think they're much too smart for that to happen. They said they were truly sorry they had to shoot Campbell, but they kept joking about it all of the time they held me ."
@@peggiecastlefan8378 that still does not support what this person said. I have never read anything by Boyd stating that Bonnie shot Campbell, I also personally trust court testimony more than a memoir which could be quite biased. I have no way of knowing if Hinton ever actually spoke personally to Boyd or if he read something in the papers. I have been learning recently that newspaper accounts should be treated with a lot of skepticism. It’s been a while since I researched this but I found an account written personally by Boyd and it was much less sensational than versions of his account in the papers. I stand by what I have presented here. I’d rather go with the person who experienced it than filtered through someone else. Thank you for your comment though and for watching!
Its unfortunate that you would make a statement insinuating that it was the officer's fault he was killed as a result of his "rash" decision. Bonnie and Clyde and their associates were responsible for 13 deaths, 9 of which were LEO. While they as individuals may not have pulled the trigger on each individual human, their actions contributed directly to each murder, as decisions have consequences, as well as their own demise. It is sad that they were ultimately gunned down, and I appreciate your sympathy for that, but as even Bonnie wrote, "the wages of sin....". I have watched and enjoyed your videos in this series and plan to check out more of your content. I appreciate history as well and
That was the opinion of Percy Boyd, as I’m pretty sure I said in the video. That information can be found in Jeff Guinn’s book and I believe “rash decision” is a direct quote from Boyd. Personally , I absolutely think a lack of training and the lack of a professional police force raised the number of dead police officers. I am sorry you were offended but it doesn’t make it less true. I just don’t think they were the merciless killers they were portrayed by the press in the 30s. I DO think Methvin was though, and he was pardoned for killing the officers in Grapevine in exchange for turning on Bonnie and Clyde so I don’t think they had public safety in mind to let go a psychopath like that.
Yep, just double checked. I clearly said, “Boyd comes to believe that Bonnie and Clyde hadn’t wanted to hurt anyone, and if Cal hadn’t made the rash decision to pull his gun they would have kidnapped them both.” Wanted to make sure I hadn’t misspoke, but it was pretty clear I was expressing Chief Boyd’s opinion.
@@MMorbid my apologies as I didn't realize you were quoting from another source. Sorry I missed that, multitasking. As to your remark on public safety, the deal given to Methvin didn't cover all his crimes and misdeeds, only those in Texas and he was not "let go" by any means. He was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of Constable Campbell, had his sentence commuted to life and was ultimately paroled. (Let's not even start talking about how the judicial system was even a more corrupt and broken system than the media in the 30s and how it contributed to the crime wave B&C participated in) He had even tried to stab a jailer and escape. He was no saint for sure. I would concur that training was/is a factor in most of the officers fatalities then and now. Did the pulp magazines and media hype them into something they were not? Sure. However, does that make them any less culpable for their actions in the eyes of the law? Unfortunately it does not. Bonnie and Clyde did not rack up a body count of 13 people in roughly 21 months without a certain amount of ruthlessness and disregard for the value of human life. Even if not directly involved in the act of killing (which it's my understand that there is some considerable debate in that arena with researchers with much better resources than myself), Bonnie was a willing participant in the commission of multiple felonies, up to and including murder.
@@MMorbid and please understand, I'm not trying to be come across combative. I enjoy your videos and appreciate the thoughtful replies and discourse. All due respect.
Thank you. I also don’t want anyone to think I am okay with what they did, I just don’t think either was cruel or took joy in hurting people. It is hard to understand why they chose to live like this, especially Bonnie, was Clyde worth it? Surely not! Bottom line, the depression was awful, it’s the only thing I can think of, and probably psychological stuff on the part of both that I will never understand. No worries at all. Discussions, especially intelligent ones, are great and I can tell you really know the subject, probably better than me because I focused so hard on each individual incident. I personally think the Texas prison system made Clyde. He went in a car thief and came out a killer and I think that is true of a lot of 30s criminals. I think it’s safe to say prisons back then just made crime worse, at least that seems to be the impression I get. And while I do have an MA in history, I can’t be considered an expert on any of these topics. I am better able to research them and interpret the evidence than your average UA-camr, but I know some viewers will know more than me, and I appreciate that shared knowledge. I look forward to your input on some of the other topics I have covered and I am glad you are enjoying the channel!
I've had an interest in Bonnie & Clyde since I was a teenager ... and now I'm an old guy. I've read all the books and everything I can find online ... but your presentations always add something extra. I've thoroughly enjoyed your Bonnie & Clyde series and have subscribed to your channel.
Thank you so much, this is a fabulous compliment. Feel free to suggest topics you would like me to cover, and I really appreciate you subscribing. You might like some of my previous videos, maybe the Wild Bill Hickok shootout, Cobra Scare, or my tour of a B-25 bomber where I talk about the Doolittle raid. I think that is a good video but no one can find it.
@@MMorbid I shall check them out. I don't know why people can't find your B-25 video .. it's on your list ... ua-cam.com/video/h6zQZfSMsRA/v-deo.html
It is, if people go to my channel and scroll down, but the UA-cam algorithm isn’t showing it to anyone in searches, suggestions or browsing and I can’t figure out how to remedy that. It seems it might be such a popular topic maybe there is too much competition with other videos? Hopefully someday it will get picked up. Liking it and commenting on it might help.
Ditto.
This is very good. You went into detail about something others never do. It takes work, and this is well researched. You're not putting on makeup as you talk (what that has to do with true crime I'll never know), and you give us the story plain and true. The cemetery shots are very cool. Thank you for this channel.
I’m not good enough at doing makeup for that, lol. I also think that’s weird. I have thought a circus themed episode where I apply clown makeup might be a fun satire. I also have a weird sense of humor. I’m glad you are enjoying the channel. Thank you so much for watching.
sounds like Bonnie and Clyde had a kind side to them. Interesting insite into their lives. thanks for this enlightening piece
Apparently Bonnie lived in Commerce in the 20s. One local I talked to was convinced she knew Percy Boyd, as he had been the Chief for many years. Maybe, maybe not, she would have been a child then. I don’t think either found joy in cruelty and Clyde didn’t like killing people though he absolutely would if it was a matter of him or you. Not that they should be celebrated, but their story is a part of history, and I think it’s important to portray them as they really were and correct the myths. I’m glad you are enjoying my channel!
@@MMorbid I think, just like Wyatt Earp and his brothers, they "danced" on both sides of the law. the trouble is , when guns are involved someone is going to get hurt or killed. talking about our history as a nation, I think it is a shame they are tearing down these confederate monuments. these people that do this dont realize that at that time that is what people thought. thanks
@@gregboyden564 There is no evidence of the Earp brothers breaking the law except the period after Wyatt lost his wife and child. He became a falling down drunk and stole a horse. Charges were later dropped. Wyatt's brothers helped him clean up. After that period, Wyatt had a strong moral code.
@@shooterqqqq thanks for this information. I have visited Wyatt's home he grew up in , in Illinois.
U Bet Greg!!
The leg work and time you put into these videos is very impressive. I've been watching your Bonnie & Clyde Series and the personal information you've found on them, as well as all of the others involved, is great. I also absolutely love the pictures you've incorporated into your videos. Your attention to detail is spectacular. Please keep all of these stories coming. I'm watching your Titanic Playlist next .. lol
Madame. This is the second of your videos I have watched. You take me to places I have always wondered about. And to places that I was unaware of until you. Cheers from California.
I'm really enjoying your Bonnie and Clyde videos! Thank you for all your hard work! I also subscribed! 😀👍
Thank you so much for the kind words, and for subscribing!
i love real history that you can touch and see
Would you consider doing a series on Waverly Hills in Louisville, Ky. In the tuberculosis days? There's a lot of history there and cruel experimental surgeries.
Oh yes, is it available to the public or is it abandoned? I have seen it featured on paranormal shows for years and would love to research it but I’d like to go inside. I actually have family I could stay with there. Are there other locations I should check out when I go there?
Trivia: Mickey Mantle "The Commerce Comet" was three years old when this happened.
Did you see my Mickey Mantle episodes? I did two of them before this one. They’re kind of old so not as sophisticated as more recent stuff. According to stories he was old enough to know who they were and be scared they would get him.
Incredible job Madame. I appreciate the detail. Thank You.
That was great. My grandfather was close friends with Cal, and was one of those who was there after the killing forced to help. Grandpa worked at the mine. The cemetery you visited have a lot of my relatives in it. When I was a kid in the 60s the old folks were talking about the killing of Cal. I heard it and my folks sent us kids to play. I was terrified that Bonnie and Clyde would kill me. You see, they neglected to mention they were dead!
Thank you for sharing your story, that’s so fascinating. It would have been amazing to interview your grandfather.
@@MMorbid Yeah. I am not sure the theme of your channel. My uncle was life long buddies with the son of Pretty Boy Floyd. Charles, the son, was a nice man and would give talks about his dad. He had a trunk with his dad's belongings, guns, badges he stole, letters etc. I found it fascinating. From what I recall my uncle knew Mrs Floyd well and liked her but saw the dad but never talked to him because the kids were not allowed around should the police show up and shooting take place. I know nothing about the dad's crime just Charles Jr. His dad's things as are likely with the Floyd family in the East bay of San Francisco area.
You flesh out stories like a ferret flushes out rats. Fine work, as usual.
Another great vid with lots of information . I spent a lot of time in the area as I have mentioned on your other vids that I lived in the area and know all these locations well . I did subscribe and look forward to new vids ..Once again you might look into Wilbur Underhill from Joplin I think , also known as the "tri state terror "Underhill had a brief criminal career but a local guy for you and me and very little has been done on Underhill ..well done vid as always
I will definitely check out Underhill. I honestly have never heard of him so thank you for telling me about him.
I love your work. These little stories are so interesting. I hope you will continue making them.
There was a grocery store in Baxter Springs they robbed twice. Sadly it was torn down about five years ago.
Mary at the museum told me about it but I was there shooting Mickey Mantle and Route 66 videos that day and never made it over there. Those poor people, getting robbed twice!
@@MMorbid Can you imagine standing there watching them come in the second time? “Come on, man, you can’t be serious!”
Bcause they afraid they come back to haunt place
@@oklahomahank2378 Ha!!
@@oklahomahank2378 Remember there are 2 couples! Warren. Faye from 1967 Film classic!!
Always very informative and professionally done .
Glad you think so!
In reference to your intro in this video, I’m CRAZY about Bonnie and Clyde!
Had kinfolk living in Commerce on S. Main street from 1910-1940s. Must've been the talk of the town!
Hi I just subscribed as I´m fascinated by Bonnie and Clyde history. I hope to visit there myself someday. I will check your other videos also. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! I plan to come back to B&C again, and will do other thirties gangsters too.
My video this week will be Bonnie and Clyde, specifically their shootout in Reeds Spring, Missouri. It will come out tomorrow or Friday.
Testimony at trial said Bonnie was first out and shooting, feeling like you do about these killers has clouded your judgement. They were merciless killers looking for guns, money and cars. Just because they didn't kill everyone they came across means nothing. They were killers stone cold murders. They took hard working people's money, cars and shot anyone who got in the way.
You are wrong, this is text of the actual appeal, detailing exactly what happened. You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. People keep mentioning this supposed court testimony and it simply isn’t true. Every single eyewitness account mentions two men shooting Campbell and Boyd. Also, the opinions voiced here are Boyd’s, not mine, though after reading opinions like this over and over from others who knew them or encountered them I have come to believe their descriptions. law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/court-of-appeals-criminal/1936/52185.html
Recall that in 1933 the gang was in a car crash that pinned Bonnie in a burning car. She was burned to the leg bone and could not have done any jumping after that.
I was told by my Great Grandfather that Mr. Boyd worked with him at the Eagle Pitcher Mine office before the war. I don't know if it was always called that, but it's the only name I remember it being called. It was about 2 miles east of Commerce. He told me all the stories about Bonnie and Clyde and their robberies in the area. He was in Baxter Springs the day they robbed Edins Grocery store for the second time. Apparently, they had robbed it for a first time about a week before!
Thanks for sharing. That is amazing! Sadly that Baxter Springs store is gone. I knew they robbed it twice but I did think there was more time between robberies, lol. Either way, those poor people.
Hey Madame Morbid I have a question for you did Bonnie's mother ever get the rabbit 🐇 just curious about what happened with the rabbit thanks
I have wondered this myself. Honestly I have no idea. Maybe Emma got it on May 6? Or maybe they let it go or gave it to someone they encountered on the road. I honestly have no idea.
@@MMorbid thanks for answering my question I really appreciate it you do a great job on all of your videos I have really enjoyed everyone one of them
I'm catching up on the videos! Great work.
Keep up the work. TY
Thanks, will do!
Quality videos. Very interesting. Thank you.
Glad you like them!
Great video love the work you do greetings from Auckland New Zealand 🙏 ☮️💯
nice I been looking for Campbell grave gonna go check it out
I recognize all these areas ....I grew up in Miami,Oklahoma & my Great Grandmother told me about Bonnie& clyde & the commerce Incident she was living in Miami Oklahoma when it happened & my Great grandfather worked in the nearby Mines . Good video!!....I do have a small channel lol...Take care,Roger Champlin
Thanks! I took a look at your channel, looks like you started 2 months ago? Good job getting that first hundred. Seriously the first hundred is the hardest it took me 18 months to hit 1,000. I had a video go viral and I went from 900 to 15,500 in one month. So just keep going. I subscribed and look forward to seeing where you go! Thanks for watching!!
"As long as possible" means I watch it 42 times. Excellent content, Madame. Yall just be safe here in Louisiana.
PS: you're better than those Massachusetts morbid podcast broads.
Much better.
Wow thanks! I’m not familiar with that podcast . I’m just glad you like mine!
What a great little channel you have here MM. I just subscribed and am doing a little binging. Carry on
commerce is also where Micky Mantle the famous baseball player was raised his childhood home is there
@@VikingDoug yes, I did a couple episodes on him!
Yes such history! That isn't the undertaker building though, it is on that block row but further down.
Well dang, not surprised though. The mother and son who own the Route 66 dairy restaurant told me about it and verbally described it to me. It’s not shocking that I misunderstood exactly which building. Oh well, it sounds like I got the right house though which should have (you would think) have been harder to get right. 😝
lol it happens and there use to be a lot more buildings there surrounding the one you have the pic of, which were torn down, so it can definitely get confusing. My husband grew up in/graduated from Commerce and even since he was young so much has changed.@@MMorbid
as far as the house, I have no clue. I do know he and his daughter Iva McBee lived together and that is where his body was lying in state. Sadly her husband had passed just a few months earlier in Jan of 1934 at the age of 32!@@MMorbid
👍🏼🌹👍🏼enjoyed your video, Cuz……… good one
wtf i live in commerce 😭i didnt know about this
I wonder if the folks who now live in that home know of its history?
They might, the owners of the iconic Route 66 restaurant there told me it’s location and Commerce isn’t a huge community.
Just a great job young lady!
GREAT!
Dont blame B& C
My step dad told me my father was gangster and said ohh and they are not right to do so period of myself on my behalf is unauthorized and prohibited from disclosing reading the message is intended only for my family is unauthorized and strictly prohibited to do so in the first place period.
Uh?!
Percy Boyd said that Bonnie had fired prematurely (which precipitated the shootout) and Clyde admonished her for it afterward in the car. Also, they apologized for Campbell's death but kept making jokes about it.
I don’t know where you read this but it does not match other witness testimony or reports in the criminal court case against Methvin which is full text online. I will gladly look at whatever it is you read if you can direct me to it.
Hearsay folks
@@MMorbid I just finished the book "AMBUSH" by Ted Hinton, who was one of the six officers that caught up with them. He quoted Percy Boyd, " They have no fear of being captured, They think they're much too smart for that to happen. They said they were truly sorry they had to shoot Campbell, but they kept joking about it all of the time they held me ."
@@peggiecastlefan8378 that still does not support what this person said. I have never read anything by Boyd stating that Bonnie shot Campbell, I also personally trust court testimony more than a memoir which could be quite biased. I have no way of knowing if Hinton ever actually spoke personally to Boyd or if he read something in the papers. I have been learning recently that newspaper accounts should be treated with a lot of skepticism. It’s been a while since I researched this but I found an account written personally by Boyd and it was much less sensational than versions of his account in the papers. I stand by what I have presented here. I’d rather go with the person who experienced it than filtered through someone else. Thank you for your comment though and for watching!
I heard that too
Winston Woodward Bonnie and clyde history blog has some information on it search Bonnie Parker innocent and sweet as pie
Thank you, I had not heard of that. The Texas Hideout website has been a great resource if you haven’t seen it.
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Thank you!
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I think the mines were zinc mines. The enormous piles of rock, or tailing, are still there.
They were lead and zink mines in commerce those piles were rock waste piles also known as chat piles
B&C are Revolutionaries not just gangsters
Its unfortunate that you would make a statement insinuating that it was the officer's fault he was killed as a result of his "rash" decision. Bonnie and Clyde and their associates were responsible for 13 deaths, 9 of which were LEO. While they as individuals may not have pulled the trigger on each individual human, their actions contributed directly to each murder, as decisions have consequences, as well as their own demise. It is sad that they were ultimately gunned down, and I appreciate your sympathy for that, but as even Bonnie wrote, "the wages of sin....". I have watched and enjoyed your videos in this series and plan to check out more of your content. I appreciate history as well and
That was the opinion of Percy Boyd, as I’m pretty sure I said in the video. That information can be found in Jeff Guinn’s book and I believe “rash decision” is a direct quote from Boyd. Personally , I absolutely think a lack of training and the lack of a professional police force raised the number of dead police officers. I am sorry you were offended but it doesn’t make it less true. I just don’t think they were the merciless killers they were portrayed by the press in the 30s. I DO think Methvin was though, and he was pardoned for killing the officers in Grapevine in exchange for turning on Bonnie and Clyde so I don’t think they had public safety in mind to let go a psychopath like that.
Yep, just double checked. I clearly said, “Boyd comes to believe that Bonnie and Clyde hadn’t wanted to hurt anyone, and if Cal hadn’t made the rash decision to pull his gun they would have kidnapped them both.” Wanted to make sure I hadn’t misspoke, but it was pretty clear I was expressing Chief Boyd’s opinion.
@@MMorbid my apologies as I didn't realize you were quoting from another source. Sorry I missed that, multitasking. As to your remark on public safety, the deal given to Methvin didn't cover all his crimes and misdeeds, only those in Texas and he was not "let go" by any means. He was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of Constable Campbell, had his sentence commuted to life and was ultimately paroled. (Let's not even start talking about how the judicial system was even a more corrupt and broken system than the media in the 30s and how it contributed to the crime wave B&C participated in) He had even tried to stab a jailer and escape. He was no saint for sure. I would concur that training was/is a factor in most of the officers fatalities then and now. Did the pulp magazines and media hype them into something they were not? Sure. However, does that make them any less culpable for their actions in the eyes of the law? Unfortunately it does not. Bonnie and Clyde did not rack up a body count of 13 people in roughly 21 months without a certain amount of ruthlessness and disregard for the value of human life. Even if not directly involved in the act of killing (which it's my understand that there is some considerable debate in that arena with researchers with much better resources than myself), Bonnie was a willing participant in the commission of multiple felonies, up to and including murder.
@@MMorbid and please understand, I'm not trying to be come across combative. I enjoy your videos and appreciate the thoughtful replies and discourse. All due respect.
Thank you. I also don’t want anyone to think I am okay with what they did, I just don’t think either was cruel or took joy in hurting people. It is hard to understand why they chose to live like this, especially Bonnie, was Clyde worth it? Surely not! Bottom line, the depression was awful, it’s the only thing I can think of, and probably psychological stuff on the part of both that I will never understand. No worries at all. Discussions, especially intelligent ones, are great and I can tell you really know the subject, probably better than me because I focused so hard on each individual incident. I personally think the Texas prison system made Clyde. He went in a car thief and came out a killer and I think that is true of a lot of 30s criminals. I think it’s safe to say prisons back then just made crime worse, at least that seems to be the impression I get. And while I do have an MA in history, I can’t be considered an expert on any of these topics. I am better able to research them and interpret the evidence than your average UA-camr, but I know some viewers will know more than me, and I appreciate that shared knowledge. I look forward to your input on some of the other topics I have covered and I am glad you are enjoying the channel!