DLA-NX7 vs Theo-Z65 4K HDR Projector Comparison w/ Kris Deering
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Best viewed on 4K UHD displays. See specific sections below.
0:09 - Introduction by Ted Bollinger (TVS Pro) & Kris Deering (Deep Dive AV)
2:45 - 4K Detail & Resolution
14:00 - Color Saturation & Color Gamut
26:24 - Black Level Performance & Contrast
36:28 - Dynamic Light Control & HDR Performance
47:20 - Conclusions
Blog Part I (Differences between the projectors, 4K image sharpness & resolution, HDR Color, Calibration, and Wide Gamut)): bit.ly/34O5hRC
Blog Part II (Black level performance & contrast, HDR performance, and conclusions): bit.ly/350gT3R
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TVS Pro. Me again please do a A/B N7 vs. NX9, 1900 vs. 2200 lumen 60mm lens vs. 100mm (like my SONY VW1000 high quality crispy sharp lens) greeting from Munich Germany
Congratulation for this very good review. I used many Projektors in the last 25 jears. I actually use a Optoma UHZ65 and tuned it with a DCI Filter by myself. The result is very similar to this review. Its a pity that the uhz65 is not more selling. The Laser-Projektor is great!! Sorry my English.
Gutsy. Much respect.
A technical tutorial like no other I've seen on UA-cam.
Appreciate.
I like the colour of the Theo even though it may not be "technically correct". I don't know - both seem really bloody good. Here in 'straya both would be the same price but with the JVC there'll be a warranty. But the Optoma would last much longer because of the laser, and this is a huge advantage given how many movies and stuff I watch.
Yes and No. Laser overall will last longer than a single bulb, but once you have lost the desired/needed amount of light for a specific setup, you can never get it back with the laser (I'm not aware of any manufacturers offering replacement lasers). The other side is that while laser may last a lot longer, technology moves on, so unless you are fine with the tech available in the laser now to last you years upon years with no looking back, the longevity of the product is rather useless. This projector is already outdated simply from its HDR capability, as demonstrated repeatedly in person and in the video. And soon the JVC's tone mapping will be as well. HDR in projection is still in its early phases. It should only get better, but this projector will not. The video also doesn't mention the issues you will have with anything that is NOT wide color gamut/HDR, as the filter they put in place will always expand the gamut. That means content that is not wide color gamut will be artificially expanded and some might find that displeasing or garish. Just things to consider.
Superb Sir 👍 You are Always Unique on Reviewing Up coming projectors
The JVC is amazing, the tone mapping is damn good.
18:50
The cauliflower seen in Optoma looks exactly like the cauliflower I have in my fridge. Theo-Z65 Lite is my choice.
Honestly putting a high contrast projector with amazing black levels in a room with white walls and ceiling is not ideal for testing purposes. Get some Triple back velvet on the ceiling and sidewalls. If are trying to recreate living room conditions than you should have two rooms so you can compare the impact the room has on projector performance.
That Home Theater Dude wants your location...
@@bryanp4827 😂🤣😅. Chris is a friend. It is a sign of respect to him and Channa. I was a dad 20 years before him🤣😂😅. He is a better Dude than me😅😂. All good. You change your mind on 4K yet?
I knew this guest reviewer was biased toward the JVC when he said that the DLP chip in the Optoma was "uprezzing" from 1080p like the previous generation JVC e-shift (around 12:43). The two technologies are totally unrelated because the old JVC was optically overlapping two 1080p chips to give a pseudo 2k picture where as the Optoma flashes 1/2 of 4k followed by the other half to give a complete 4k picture. Two very different approaches with the DLP chip actually putting the full 4k of pixel detail on the screen. Generally, the blacks are similar, the color of the Theo is better, and the JVC has brighter highlights in darker scenes. Considering that the bulb brightness will greatly diminish after two months of regular viewing, it's hard not to choose the Theo over the JVC if price is a factor. That said, in the extreme dark and bright scenes, the JVC slightly edges out the Theo, but its not commensurate with the price difference.
Thank you, it is always interesting to hear feedback especially like yours. You are very accurate, it is only on the very unique almost totally black scenes that Kris brought with him that the blacks really started to show a difference. Even in the scenes we considered dark like in Toy Story 4 and other more typical movies the difference was even less that we expected. The JVC is very good but it is a lamp based projector and will be subject to both lamp brightness fall off and lamp fail anxiety.
Mine JVC N7 , started to darkenat about 480 hours of lamp. but strangely i like it now better as blacks now are deeper
A lot of Malarkey! Although the JVC has only one chip in 4K, it is obvious that the "Optoma" has more details. And you can try to hide it with words, because it does not match you theories. But everyone can see it for themselves.
The JVC N series models are all modular chassis meaning its ready for the laser light engine anytime.
The guys at The pro are ahead calibrating this newest tehnonoly.
Very interesting. Now have to decide if I am going to change colors the room to have a better theater environment.
For me, a mixture of the picture quality of both projectors would be spot on...in some cases the Theo has it, in others, the JVC has it...i would still go more for a UHD 65, because the black levels are better than the Theo, and still cheaper...😉
Yes - some people think there's always a definite 'winner' but in almost all cases it is subjective and certainly depends on what price point you're looking at. That is why we encourage seeing them all in person (side-by-side if possible)!
I just got my projector upgraded to the theo I brought it used from a friend who had upgraded to a Sony and immediately sent it to tvs pro. All I can say is WOW this thing is fantastic I went from the uhd65 the lamp version of the uhz65 its a good projector but it doesn't even come close to the theo uhz65. If the JVC is better than this then it's incredible but for the money the THEO UHZ65 CANT BE BEAT TO THE GUYS AT TVS PRO 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 THIS PROJECTOR GETS A STANDING OVATION
So thrilled to hear this!!!!
You chose wisely!
The JVC is just overpiced that is why home theater enthusiasts think it's better because you paid more it makes it better 😂
Hands down I will pick the THEO -Z65 over the jvc from my 24 yrs of ISF experience here in Canada.
ABSOLUTELY!👍
@@bryanp4827 so you prefer inaccurate colors and less deeper blacks?
Please keep the debate civil. Comments calling names or accusing people of invalid opinions is inappropriate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Rude, calling names, or inappropriate comments will be removed.
Based on what? A video that didn't even really show you the differences that we were seeing in person? What exactly about 24 years of ISF experience has brought you to make that type of decision? If I had Joel Silver or Joe Kane in that room, they would have flamed the Theo as it contradicts everything they represent. That isn't saying the Theo didn't provide a great subjective image, but the whole premise does fly in the face of what the ISF stands for. So I'd love to know why your experience that you tout would have you fly in the face of that logic?
24 years of ISF and you pick the inaccurate projector? And you supposedly calibrate for a living? Sad just sad
I have the theo I've had it for almost 2 years now dont even have 3000 hours on the laser but the upgrade bug has hit me but I'm thinking what can I upgrade to to make it worth it I come back to this video and see how it compares to the jvc nx7 and I know the nz7 is just a lil brighter than the nx7 other wise it's the same thing so I just keep what I have until something absolutely amazing comes out
Hi
can you comment on this ?:
2:49-2:50 guy on stairs got left shoe red also stairs got green/orange/red/blue strips on Theo-Z65 and step colours are changing when he gets up
thanks
The Z65 wins, but what about it's issues with streaming devices hdr??
Looked to me that the JVC is the superior projector, but i see so many comments stating that the Optoma ( optoma owner here) was better. What did i miss? Also knowing that it wasn’t a black room (mine is) makes me think if it was, the difference in quality would have been even more noticeable. Did i miss something or is bang for buck what is driving the “big up” for optoma?
Bang for buck definitely
Would be really interesting to see the calibrated JVC NX7 vs JVC LX-NZ3. Is that something we might see?
Probably not since the LX-NZ3 is a bright "media room" type projector and does not try for deep blacks or wide color. You might want to watch the comparison with the Epson 6050 we did and that will give you some idea of where it falls.
What is the video source used in your test?
Do you mean what signal or the source material we are using (which is multiple)?
So I'm newbish in this field, so an education would suffice for me here. What exactly is the point of comparing two projectors that are configured to show colors differently from eachother? I can understand comparing the clarity and brightness and black levels, but as far as color pop, can't either of them be calibrated to look like the other in a Given scene?
The projectors are both configured and calibrated to show their best and most accurate colors. When it comes to the new 4K UHD color standard (BT2020) however no current projector under $100K can display 100% of the BT2020 color. One of the key costs related to the selling price of the projector is how wide the color gamut is and how close it can come to the new color standard. If you compare the cost of the JVC NX5 for example to the cost of the JVC NX7 there are really only two significant differences. One is the wider color capability of the NX7 and the other is the level of deep blacks the projector can achieve. The JVC NX7 is what we consider the highest quality lamp based projector currently on the market. We were able to achieve an even wider color gamut than the NX7 with the Theo UHZ65 and it uses a solid state 20,000 hour lazer for its light source. Although it cannot quite equal the black levels of the JVC on all scenes we feel that by comparing it to the very best would be the best way to show how it does compare. We of course recommend you see this comparison in person when possible and make your own decision when that is a possibility for you.
Will you compare the optoma p1, vs optpma uhz65 . Thanks
We hope to do an updated P1 projector early next year.
@@Tvspecialists something like the theo-z65?
Sorry, we are under NDA with Optoma to discuss anything further in regards to it.
Hi Ted and co, just wondering if it is possible for you to do an extensive review on the Benq HT 5550? I only trust your opinions...
Ted retired over a year ago, which is mostly why there haven't been recent comparisons of projectors. And, unfortunately, we probably won't be doing more home theater comparisons on UA-cam anymore as home theater was only about 10% of our business and we're refocusing our online presence to better reflect the majority of systems we work on and install (government, commercial, industrial, etc).
@@Tvspecialists that's sad to hear, but I understand your direction, it's just a pity that there are no longer any unbiased reviewers on here...
@@bryanp4827 We'd love to still do them - but they just take too much time to write, record, and edit - and it's not our core customer. It was kind of Ted's 'thing' the last few years before he retired - because he wasn't focused as much on his accounts as they were transitioned over. But we agree - there didn't seem to be anything like them on UA-cam that we found. I personally wish he'd come out of retirement to continue to do them 🤣 but he's usually not in town much any more anyway.
@@Tvspecialists 👍
Hi
Can you tell me please which projektor the best ? :
1. Sony Vpl-Vz1000 ES UST
2. Optima UHZ 65
There generally isn't a 'best' projector as it really depends on the room you wish to use it in, your environment, and what you plan to use the projectors for. In addition, a lot of opinion is subjective so it's best to see side-by-side comparisons. If you're in the US and you'd like a professional to help you, please call us at 801-486-5757 (M-F 9AM-6PM).
@@Tvspecialists Thank you for the answer.
I m not in US, I m in Englang now.
But I will be use it in Hungary.
The room is dark paint inside.
And I hope the Sony is good.
@@attilaadam7497 Allez voir du côté d'epson, c'est autre chose pour moins cher
Overall the JVC was the clear choice with color accuracy and of course the blacks. The question I have is how much lamp brightness is lost after 300 hours on the JVC and will that affect the performance? The cost of the bulb from what I have found so far is $892.50. One other question is does the JVC have a sealed system like the Theo-Z65? A lot of dust inside a projector is not a good thing. A question for Ted Bollinger is if you tune out some red in the Z65 will that correct the skin tone or will that mess with other settings?
Better blacks and 4k mean nothing, when the Optoma clearly craps all over the JVC
The JVC clearly out performed the Theo in every category.
Lamp based projectors, such as the JVC that don't use Dynamic Lamp Dimming, will typically lose ~25% brightness in the first few hundred hours and then a more gradual dimming after that to ~50% at 3500 hrs (on high lamp).
@@bryanp4827 how did it actually crap over the JVC? The JVC proved to be the better projector. To be honest it was an unfair comparison due to price range. It should have been the Theo vs the NX5.
@@bryanp4827 Says a lot that TVSPRO wouldn't allow Kris to calibrate the Theo UHZ65 because they knew it would look a lot worse if Kris made the colors accurate. Both nice projectors but the JVC is clearly the winner.
Wonder what would happen if Optoma USA sank a additional $4,500 into their projector. Two lasers no color wheel and more. My 92" 1080P DLP looks really awesome and the blacks are good enough to enjoy movies. In fact it has very good blacks and detail stands out very good in the dark sceens. I just cant figure out why I like DLP technology so much. LOL.
DLP blacks are like velvet n excellent at producing black car paints!
A great comparison review guyz. The projectors are so close, you can only tell the difference with side by side. Yes the blacks are better with JVC and maybe the colours are more natural allthough there is a yellow tint sometimes. But do those differences justify the price JVC is asking? If you add the laser source wich is always a good thing I beleive Optoma offers a more compelling pacage.
No doubts whatsoever
As noted by TVS, the difference in person is FAR more obvious than it is on this video. In some cases the difference in person was DRASTICALLY different than what you are seeing in the video, and that isn't even taking into account the limitations the room was already bringing to the JVC. They are similar in content that would be similar across almost any projector out there. They are vastly different in the cases where the performance of the JVC would be expected. A Ferrari going a steady 55 mph probably isn't that different than a Prius at a steady 55. It is when you start pushing the boundaries that performance differences become very obvious.
Kris Deering What if you only have to go as fast as 55 because in 90% of the cases it’s 55. Unless you want to watch the movie “Descent” the whole time...
@@vagomaniac But content is rarely only "55", especially with movies. People act like it is only a few super dark movies that benefit from higher contrast, but in a controlled home theater, that is just not even close to true. But even outside of the dark stuff (because we barely watched any, and the room was already working against the JVC), the Theo was coming up short. Tone mapping was hardly close at all, even with easy stuff. Again, having been in the actual room, I can't think of a single sequence where the benefits of the JVC's tone mapping, accurate color and contrast weren't blatantly obvious. The still photos were probably the only real exception. With movies it was far more obvious. Remember, we also looked at a lot more content than what you see in the video.
Kris Deering Yes being in the room is an entirely different experience. But remember the price is almost double? And Jvc blacks are not 7900 blacks any more. I agree jvc is better but this difference should have come from N5.
Can I get the Theo-Z65 shipped to Australia?
Unfortunately, the Optoma UHZ65 is no longer available, and therefore, no new Theo-Z65s will be shipped out. In addition, due to the fact that Optoma has different divisions around the world, there would be no warranty guarantee outside of the US.
@@Tvspecialists thank you, legends!
Instantly see the Theo has it all over the JVC! The detail difference is astonishing!😱😱
TVsPro fanboy.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 ABSOLUTELY!
I have to say, as I was there, you really need to see it in person, I wouldn't say the Theo has it ALL over the JVC, but does a good job, and it's a great option, especially if you don't have the budget for the JVC.
TVS PRO. Greeting from Germany why didn't the NX9 for this A/B vs test? 300 lumen more than N7
JVC is truly not the unicorn! The Optoma DLP was far superior, and the JVC dude trying to convince us that the JVC looked more natural 🤣😂.
一看就知道了，jvc在暗比較好的狀況下，怎麼在亮的地方過曝。
這明顯就是沒校準好的jvc
I’ve had over 1400 hours on the JVC And have not notice any drop in brightness. JVC Is a solid projector
Lamp based projectors, especially those that don't use dynamic lamp dimming will show a constant drop in brightness, it is gradual enough, that it is hard to notice, but it is easily measured with a lumen meter.
The DLA- N series have a new "frame adapt HDR setting" it does not allow any
Interference with the color mngt, which makes the 3 primary colors less accurate
( RGB) becouse the entire color grading is taken over by the JVC own algorithms.
edwin97a care to provide any proof of your statement that the HDR firmware update renders the colors less accurate for the JVC NX7
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 if you look at the 14:00 On this video the Red and Cyan color on this are Clip ,after the JVC receive a full calibration.
This is not a mute case to consider. This is the final picture JVC can produce.
@@edwin97a are you seriously telling me to look at a youtube video as proof of color accuracy for any projector?? LOL. Honestly you should just stop. You are really an ISF certified calibrator? I am going to have to ask Kevin Miller who you are and how we can get your certification overturned. How about a link to a report on an actual JVC NX7 you have calibrated documenting this color inaccuracy due to the most recent firmware update. Maybe Jeff Meier knows who you are? LOL . I doubt it. Honestly you must just be a guy posting opinions. I prefer facts and color spectrum charts I can look at.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 same as TVSpro we have one jvc projector with the new firmware upgrade in our showroom, we are JVC dealer here in Canada.
@@edwin97a I don't believe your words for one second. If you are you probably steer clients to TVsPro to buy the Theo and you get paid for each client you refer. State your real name and your dealer affiliation. Stop hiding behind your anonymity. I know you won't because you are afraid of the repercussions if JVC saw you trashing their brand without backing it up with actual facts. What a joke.
JVC crushes the Theo.
20:36 and forward you can see how the 65 outperform the JVC...It shows as it would be during day in sunlight, while JVC is grayish and can't show good day picture.
Like the women cheest you can see great detatis and colours with 65 while JVC its darkish and disspears things.
I was 99% certain to buy a JVC n5 or n7 but I'm disappointing after seeing this.
Thank you, that is exactly what we are trying to show. We use a different tone map which brings out the mid tones and favors skin tones.
JVC looks more natural and real. Z65 just simply cannot make so real looking picture,even if colors are realy good. DLP is cheap technology and never reach LCOS technology. just my opinion. also lets not forget that DLP after 6 months hundreds/thousands of dead pixels (mirrors) will be in DLP chip. (personal practice).
These Optoma guys "tryied" and failed to impress , they see that JVC destroys their OPTOMA but still trying hard to "sell " this shiity optoma.of the tone of voice i can hear of theyr doubt of that they saying. a little comedy show :D
The JVC does have a very high quality image. There is no question that the JVC DLA-NX7 has better blacks and excellent color. The Theo-Z65 also has very good color and in a side by side in person the comparison is very close. As to the life of DLP technology the chip is rated at over 100,000 hours and in almost all cases will outlive the useful life of the projector. Keep in mind that the majority of commercial theaters including Imax and the newer Dolby Cinema theaters also use DLP chips and are used many times and many hours every day without dead pixels. Both technologies have their applications.
HOW exactly is it cheap technology....? You do realise you are watching pretty much a 3 chip dlp projector every time you go to a cinema these days...? Wankers like you have no idea....
@@bryanp4827 i know that. Thats why i have jvc n7 at home:) and after that purchase i watching movies at home. No more paying for cinema ... Dlp is just fot gamers. Fast response , cheap, shitty colors..
@@vismantasbagdonas4699 my SONY VW1000 (for 2D) from 2013 still in operation it works + 2x JVC X7000 double stack for 3D
@@bryanp4827 thats why i watching movies at home :) as jvc has better picture quality compared to local cinema. in local cinema i only like sound, and powerfull subs ,and real Atmos.