The difference is obvious when one has reached 3rd dan above. In the ITF or tradional TKD after one learn the Kata or Hyong or Teul Moon Moo. Because the Koreanization of Karate take place a bit later in TKD development.
This is a very useful comparison, thank you John, Nat and Trevor. As an amateur karateka, I tend to see similar kicks from different MAs but couldn’t figure out the key differences. So this is really useful. Also RIP Nat at 5:15 😂
It’s great to see the similarities and differences from karate and taekwondo. Because I’m a real situation a hybrid of the two could happen. Thank you to both of you for pointing out the similarities and differences. 🥋
Great colab! I learned a lot. I rarely see the front kick in tkd. I usually see them throw roundhouse kicks, side kicks and back kicks. Also question mark kicks. Very interesting.
I love the front kick personally, I think it still has great utility despite the side kick being considered an "upgrade" in TKD competitions. Regardless, all techniques can be valuable with the right amount of training. Blessings, OSU!! 🥋👊🏾
Another great video. I started in the original TKD in Florida then moved over to Wado and Shotokan when I moved here in the early 80’s. I have always found mixing them together works (plus Boxing and any grappling) great! 🥋🥊🙏
Very good exploitations! Thx! I tend to either do the karate style with a lot of hips or the Teep from MT. I do not tend to rotate the standing leg much. As you, I want to drive forward into a hand striking range.
when I was young and doing a tournament (1989/1990 or so) , one of my go to techniques was the Jump Front Kick/ Tobe Mae Gari, I won 4 matches in a row mainly scoring with this technique, on my last match, my opponent slide back and planted a perfect side kick into my stomach as I jumped and caught me in the air ... it was much more than just getting the wind knocked out of me, it almost felt if my lung collapsed, I was on the ground with no air what so ever but it was a great lesson, I was wow that is a great counter ... I lost that match, if I was wearing all the silly safety equipment they wear in TKD , I don't think I would of leaned this lesson, I took 3rd Place
Great comparison of technique! Do I notice that TKD style front kick is executed with a slightly more open chamber? Shotokan tends to have a centerline oriented chamber that protects the groin?
In the 70’d TKD did a pushing front kick for sparring, especially full contact. Over almost 55 years the difference between the original TKD and Shotokan is pretty small but interesting to compare!
@@kenirawadi4689 true but a front snap kick isn't always high, at least where I trained. It's what makes doing both (tkd and shotokan) simultaneously easier for me
@@HappyHealthyKarate-Do you are right, I mentioned high kicks just as an example. In my TKD training the front kick or Up Chagi is a snap. In my Shotokan training Maegeri is a thrust. The difference is not very obvious if we do it in the basic form, i.e. as a single kick without jump, but in advanced forms we can feel the difference. I believe front snap kicks such as TKD Up Chagi allow us to execute more advance kicks such as double jump front kick. A thrust front kick such as Shotokan Maegeri is not very suitable for this.
The weakness with karate practitioners kicks is that they don't utilize their hips much, their almost static. Theres too much emphasis on control, hence no real power. They don't do power training either. Traditional schools just kick air. Taekwondo schools always have power training. These two youtubers do blend the two arts together and DO NOT kick like traditional stylists. . I have compared with a traditional shotokan stylist and he doesn't understand half of what I'm doing but ends up concluding: yeah more power that way..
I almost want my karate not to look like a traditional stylist for the reasons you mentioned, I like to think of my karate as progressive or always developing, I think being too stuck on what is traditionally done prevents growth.
In my Shorin Ryu karate school they teach the mãe geri which strikes with the tips of the fingers. What do you think about this? Have you ever heard that in any Okinawan karate style?
Thx guys,i do ITF taekwon-do now but also love karate,i wonder if i could learn both at the same time or its to difficult, learning techniques in korean and japanese language and so on
@@jkgardiner . Yeah, that's what I understood. Also in savate they used that method, but it's executed with the heel of the foot or the entire foot flat.
I have to mention the katsunori kikuno’s kick, which connect to the liver, probably one of the best Mae geri user in MMA ua-cam.com/video/2Un0Dw-6-U4/v-deo.htmlsi=0Oe-bFl6NkR2JgZi
super! also one part is from okinawa/shotokan japan karate, they don't pivot the front leg just so you can go straight with the kick with the hips like you said, if you twist it becomes more like a version of mawashi geri but aiming forward. regardless both work very well, i like to use my mae geri center torso (diaphragm) to cut his breathing or chin works too. not to mention you can do 2 mae geri, like walking forward, hit low abdomen/diaphragm, and next foot go for chin, or blend it with w/e combo u like. cheers fellas!
Was a pleasure bro! Awesome 💪
Prior to my Karate training, I started in TKD and its great to see two arts comparing kicks and a little bit of everything in between two martial art.
The difference is obvious when one has reached 3rd dan above. In the ITF or tradional TKD after one learn the Kata or Hyong or Teul Moon Moo. Because the Koreanization of Karate take place a bit later in TKD development.
This is a very useful comparison, thank you John, Nat and Trevor. As an amateur karateka, I tend to see similar kicks from different MAs but couldn’t figure out the key differences. So this is really useful.
Also RIP Nat at 5:15 😂
It’s great to see the similarities and differences from karate and taekwondo. Because I’m a real situation a hybrid of the two could happen. Thank you to both of you for pointing out the similarities and differences. 🥋
Greetings, a very nice video and nicely slowed down to show the parts that are moved and done! Thank all 3 of you for that
3 legends unite!
I practise both shotokan and itf tkd at the same time, black belts in both. I really appreciate what you guys are doing here.
Great colab! I learned a lot. I rarely see the front kick in tkd. I usually see them throw roundhouse kicks, side kicks and back kicks. Also question mark kicks. Very interesting.
I love the front kick personally, I think it still has great utility despite the side kick being considered an "upgrade" in TKD competitions. Regardless, all techniques can be valuable with the right amount of training. Blessings, OSU!! 🥋👊🏾
Very interesting!
Btw clean techniques!
Keep going John!❤
Great vid! Thank you guys!
Another great video. I started in the original TKD in Florida then moved over to Wado and Shotokan when I moved here in the early 80’s. I have always found mixing them together works (plus Boxing and any grappling) great! 🥋🥊🙏
Very good exploitations! Thx! I tend to either do the karate style with a lot of hips or the Teep from MT. I do not tend to rotate the standing leg much. As you, I want to drive forward into a hand striking range.
Nice video ! Regards from Perú 👊
Thank you, this is great!
I learnt Shotokan and now Chang Hon TKD. My understanding, while Maegeri is more thrust, Up Chagi is more snap.
Great topic, as usual ! Thanks for sleeping the passion !
when I was young and doing a tournament (1989/1990 or so) , one of my go to techniques was the Jump Front Kick/ Tobe Mae Gari, I won 4 matches in a row mainly scoring with this technique, on my last match, my opponent slide back and planted a perfect side kick into my stomach as I jumped and caught me in the air ... it was much more than just getting the wind knocked out of me, it almost felt if my lung collapsed, I was on the ground with no air what so ever but it was a great lesson, I was wow that is a great counter ... I lost that match, if I was wearing all the silly safety equipment they wear in TKD , I don't think I would of leaned this lesson, I took 3rd Place
ITF have an almost identical mae geri.
For some reason the kukiwon style likes to aim their kicks at the chin of the Green Giant.
ITF also aim high. In general TKD founders consider high kick as one of Korean element.
Thank you 🤩
Great comparison of technique! Do I notice that TKD style front kick is executed with a slightly more open chamber? Shotokan tends to have a centerline oriented chamber that protects the groin?
Yes, he uses a more open hip chamber to allow for more distance and height, whereas we tend to kick lower with the front kick and from a closer range
In the 70’d TKD did a pushing front kick for sparring, especially full contact. Over almost 55 years the difference between the original TKD and Shotokan is pretty small but interesting to compare!
I do tkd and our forms don’t have a lot high front kicks and we train stomach or sternum for the front kick
Probably ITF style (Chang Hon). WT (kukiwon) aim very high.
@@HappyHealthyKarate-Dowe’re actually under kukiwon but we’re Chung do kwan
@@HappyHealthyKarate-DoChang Hon also aims high. TKD founders think they need these high kicks to differentiate from Karate.
@@kenirawadi4689 true but a front snap kick isn't always high, at least where I trained. It's what makes doing both (tkd and shotokan) simultaneously easier for me
@@HappyHealthyKarate-Do you are right, I mentioned high kicks just as an example. In my TKD training the front kick or Up Chagi is a snap. In my Shotokan training Maegeri is a thrust. The difference is not very obvious if we do it in the basic form, i.e. as a single kick without jump, but in advanced forms we can feel the difference. I believe front snap kicks such as TKD Up Chagi allow us to execute more advance kicks such as double jump front kick. A thrust front kick such as Shotokan Maegeri is not very suitable for this.
imagine bringing in a savate guy as well
@@mellonhead9568 savate is very rare in the UK, would be interesting though
Also a muay thai practitioner as well too.
Nat looks funny and cute as a kid!!!
The weakness with karate practitioners kicks is that they don't utilize their hips much, their almost static. Theres too much emphasis on control, hence no real power. They don't do power training either. Traditional schools just kick air. Taekwondo schools always have power training. These two youtubers do blend the two arts together and DO NOT kick like traditional stylists. . I have compared with a traditional shotokan stylist and he doesn't understand half of what I'm doing but ends up concluding: yeah more power that way..
I almost want my karate not to look like a traditional stylist for the reasons you mentioned, I like to think of my karate as progressive or always developing, I think being too stuck on what is traditionally done prevents growth.
In my Shorin Ryu karate school they teach the mãe geri which strikes with the tips of the fingers. What do you think about this? Have you ever heard that in any Okinawan karate style?
@@alessandrosori732 I’ve heard of it, but I wouldn’t personally do it. very high chance of breaking the bones without significant conditioning.
Kick Is kick, in Real combat your mind must be clean and there Is only brutal brawl style.
Of course, but there is nothing wrong with discussing technique
Thx guys,i do ITF taekwon-do now but also love karate,i wonder if i could learn both at the same time or its to difficult, learning techniques in korean and japanese language and so on
It could be difficult. Maybe focus on one for a while and when you have experience in that, add the other one
Does the demonstration front kick to the stomach not hurt him at all? That looked like it had power behind it lol
No, I’m stopping it short. He’s tough anyway
Mai geri goes high in karate to. Chudan mai geri is more practiced. But you can die points with mai geri to the head to🤗
3:22 nat ain movin
Isn´t there a snap front kick and a push front kick in karate?! So two types?
@@luckyluke4525 yes you can do both, I’m talking about the standard Shotokan front kick in this video
Do you mean push as in not using the percussion method, but more like a drive thru the target?
In karate-do there's keage and kekomi, yet both methods employ the percussion type of impact.
@@tatumergo3931 I mean push like the Muay Thai teep which is used for keeping an opponent at a distance
@@jkgardiner . Yeah, that's what I understood. Also in savate they used that method, but it's executed with the heel of the foot or the entire foot flat.
I have to mention the katsunori kikuno’s kick, which connect to the liver, probably one of the best Mae geri user in MMA
ua-cam.com/video/2Un0Dw-6-U4/v-deo.htmlsi=0Oe-bFl6NkR2JgZi
Yea that’s nice, I teach a similar thing, it’s like a blend between a mae
geri and mawashi geri, kind of in between
😊😊
In kyokushion karate 🥋 front kick pushed your opinion.. throw down 👇👎
super! also one part is from okinawa/shotokan japan karate, they don't pivot the front leg just so you can go straight with the kick with the hips like you said, if you twist it becomes more like a version of mawashi geri but aiming forward.
regardless both work very well, i like to use my mae geri center torso (diaphragm) to cut his breathing or chin works too.
not to mention you can do 2 mae geri, like walking forward, hit low abdomen/diaphragm, and next foot go for chin, or blend it with w/e combo u like.
cheers fellas!