“One Life to Live” believed in adding so many twists to the Victor/Viki/Todd/Tina/Irene Clayton (or Manning) storyline. This has got to be the most convoluted storyline in the history of soap operas (and that is saying something since this is a genre infamous for convoluted storylines). I find it hilarious that Viki accused Dorian of killing Victor (which actually happened onscreen) only to have Viki “remember” killing Victor as one of her alters, only to later find out that Victor Lord apparently survived the murder attempt. There was a murder trial for someone who ultimately was not murdered!
Irene Manning is the most convoluted character ever on this show with all the twists and turns they added about her over the years. The amount of stupid additions they added... Victors secret teen lover, Vicki is Tinas sister, Todd is her sister, oh and don’t forget Victor Jr...
@@romanseanoseriously why kill her or Victor lord Sr off since they dined on their pasts for years! Constant rewrites. My goodness viki saw them in heaven! With all the people who stayed dead like Vinnie wolek al Robert's Peter Janssen. Yet they brought back Victor for that hideous " heart of a lord " story & Irene we were told was this sweet innocent kid Victor seduced to make tina. Then we were told Victor was still messing w/ her like 8 years later to make todd. Now a twin & Irene pretended to have cancer dumped tina who never noticed her mom was pregnant since tina was like 8 years older than todd. Not to mention Victor created eterna he also made viki as nikki Give up megan. As Erika said they never should have killed him off maybe put him on ice somewhere. I'd love tp know why they killed him off. To keep a 30 year mystery alive of who k8lled Victor which here Dorian throws out a clue she did kill him. Oh yea & mitch was dead too. Did we really need h8m coming back from the dead more disgusting each time. Hilary b Smith said the first time she was physically ill watching her own show was mitch spouting gospel b4 he was about to get at the time his daughter pregnant w/ his baby. The while Natalie thing was so stupid. I kept hoping the show would fix that as she was such a jerk very unlikable & gravitated towards only bukes never the lords. No care about starr todd tina. So annoying they were twins of viki & Clint. Again I hoped it would be revealed Natalie was a scam no twins. I know Erika was very unhappy for many Years that viki was reduced to " there there " to her trollop twins. No wonder Erin Torrey ran when she was supposed to be mitch 's child. They changed her parentage so many times first Roxy & Dr balsam were her parents then mitch & viki then finally Clint & viki also that dope Rex was her brother than not than again when mitch was his father then again when he was clints son w/ echo what???? Why did they keep giving viki Clint & mitch of all people kids. Then in the very end mitch had no kids. Yea & like real Clint would learn Rex was his alternative the test to make him charlies ???? Clint went ballistic when he learned cord was his but he'd ignore Rex. All the long lost kids was really nutty. David as asas then bo's son. Geez what are the odds ? Irene manning nothing to do w/ the bukes was friendly w/ bo's son. Everyone wound up either a buke a lord or Cramer or lord buke Cramer hybrid.
In a world where people routinely come back from the grave, there are a few characters that should have stayed dead forever. Irene Manning and Victor Lord are two of them.
I really wanted them to explore Irene more in depth but this wasn't it. Obviously since they got canceled the writers stopped caring. Erika's performance during this scene was basically 'are we really doing this?'
This looks and sounds vaguely familiar... meaning this Todd/ Victor story line did we not see the same thing on General Hospital regarding Jason/ Drew.
GH did the same storyline with the two Jasons because in 2014, GH recast Jason with Billy Miller and had Jason undergo plastic surgery to explain his new face. In 2017, Steve Burton returned and it came out that Jason had a twin named Andrew, plus Andrew had ended up with Jason’s memories. They said that Billy Miller’s Jason was Andrew Cain and Steve Burton’s Jason was the real Jason Morgan.
If Tina was born in 1962 and the twin boys in 1970, she'd be old enough to remember their existence. Perhaps this can be explained away that either Irene 'ahem' "travelled" for a year for "work" or Tina was sent to live with a relative for a year. Utter nonsense.
@@romanseano Unless Tina was staying with relatives during the 9 months of Irene's pregnancy how could she not notice her mom being pregnant? Truly awful writing.
They should have written that Irene's "cover job"(if they were gonna make her a spy) was sales,so she was on the road half the year. Thus,Tina would stay with the Clayton side of her family.
Was watching some 6 Million Dollar Man earlier today and the actress that plays Irene was in the episode. Target in the Sky. She was still a good actress back then. heh
I feel the plots in soap operas became more convoluted once the majority became hour long shows. Although, I believe the writers in the 70’s and 80’s still knew how to tell story, despite that… I felt it was every new team that came on to “save” shows, never drew from the pasts, making ends meet, understanding the true legacies of the program they had been tasked to write.
At the same time, I have to consider the executive involvement, whose to say Ron Carlivati didn’t have a solid breakdown only for an exec to run interference.
So general hospital did the same thing to Jason and Andrew cane took their story line infact Todd was in that story line as well drew adopted brother omg
So dorian was letting a hint out that in fact she really killed victor. I choose to forget that stupid story where victor was alive. That was ridiculous bc he left everything he had to viki & todd. I guess he could have had money hidden but why would he pretend to be dead. Then they brought him back just for him to die. I really hate rewriting history.
Dorain originally played by Nancy Pinkerton did killed Victor. When you factor in the abuse that Viki suffer that why dorian killed him. Remember dorian was raised by a mother who killed her father.
TV6469 Crapped all over OLTL storylines from 2003-2011 and Trevor St. John fans. I do love Roger Howarth’s work and loved him as Todd in the 90’s and early 2000’s but the writers could have come up with something better than this foolishness.
So many holes in this story line. 1. VIcki/Tommy allegedly killed Victor Sr. 2. Irene was friends with Vicki so why this hateful woman 3. As previously pointed out, Irene was married to Ted Clayton with Tina in tow, how did she have time to give birth again to twins when Victor Sr was already dead?
After Victor Lord, Sr and Irene Manning divorced (of I am remembering this correctly), they continued their clandestine affair. Todd and Victor, Jr. were born in 1970 and Victor, Sr. died in 1976.
I've said it before: Barbara Rhodes was weirdly monotone and boring as Irene. Should have been Kathleen Noone... or Suzanne Somers, Lesley Ann Warren, Dolly Parton! Pretty much anyone else, lol...
I think it's hilarious how many people on this comment thread are bitching about this particular story line being convoluted when there have been much more convoluted and asinine storylines on this show.
Correction 2 of the 3 male heirs of Victor Lord. The long-dead (and seemingly forgotten) Tony Harris Lord was also Victor's son.
Vicki love Todd more than Victor
Yes she did
Starr will always love her real father
So Irene loved Victor Jr so much that she named him after a man she hated that makes sense
“One Life to Live” believed in adding so many twists to the Victor/Viki/Todd/Tina/Irene Clayton (or Manning) storyline. This has got to be the most convoluted storyline in the history of soap operas (and that is saying something since this is a genre infamous for convoluted storylines).
I find it hilarious that Viki accused Dorian of killing Victor (which actually happened onscreen) only to have Viki “remember” killing Victor as one of her alters, only to later find out that Victor Lord apparently survived the murder attempt.
There was a murder trial for someone who ultimately was not murdered!
OLTL retconned the retcon when Dorian implied that “Victor” was a fraud as she killed him.
I would have loved to see a confrontation between Irene & Dorian
Irene would do anything what Tommy did pushing Dorian down the stairs. 😂 😂
Irene love Victor more than Todd
Funny scene in the beginning! LOL!
Dorian is so excitable, emotional and sensitive.
I think David still liked teasing her sometimes.
Irene Manning is the most convoluted character ever on this show with all the twists and turns they added about her over the years. The amount of stupid additions they added... Victors secret teen lover, Vicki is Tinas sister, Todd is her sister, oh and don’t forget Victor Jr...
But she was also largely a blank slate, which made her very easy to convolute!
@@romanseanoseriously why kill her or Victor lord Sr off since they dined on their pasts for years! Constant rewrites. My goodness viki saw them in heaven! With all the people who stayed dead like Vinnie wolek al Robert's Peter Janssen. Yet they brought back Victor for that hideous " heart of a lord " story & Irene we were told was this sweet innocent kid Victor seduced to make tina. Then we were told Victor was still messing w/ her like 8 years later to make todd. Now a twin & Irene pretended to have cancer dumped tina who never noticed her mom was pregnant since tina was like 8 years older than todd. Not to mention Victor created eterna he also made viki as nikki Give up megan. As Erika said they never should have killed him off maybe put him on ice somewhere. I'd love tp know why they killed him off. To keep a 30 year mystery alive of who k8lled Victor which here Dorian throws out a clue she did kill him. Oh yea & mitch was dead too. Did we really need h8m coming back from the dead more disgusting each time. Hilary b Smith said the first time she was physically ill watching her own show was mitch spouting gospel b4 he was about to get at the time his daughter pregnant w/ his baby. The while Natalie thing was so stupid. I kept hoping the show would fix that as she was such a jerk very unlikable & gravitated towards only bukes never the lords. No care about starr todd tina. So annoying they were twins of viki & Clint. Again I hoped it would be revealed Natalie was a scam no twins. I know Erika was very unhappy for many Years that viki was reduced to " there there " to her trollop twins. No wonder Erin Torrey ran when she was supposed to be mitch 's child. They changed her parentage so many times first Roxy & Dr balsam were her parents then mitch & viki then finally Clint & viki also that dope Rex was her brother than not than again when mitch was his father then again when he was clints son w/ echo what???? Why did they keep giving viki Clint & mitch of all people kids. Then in the very end mitch had no kids. Yea & like real Clint would learn Rex was his alternative the test to make him charlies ???? Clint went ballistic when he learned cord was his but he'd ignore Rex. All the long lost kids was really nutty. David as asas then bo's son. Geez what are the odds ? Irene manning nothing to do w/ the bukes was friendly w/ bo's son. Everyone wound up either a buke a lord or Cramer or lord buke Cramer hybrid.
In a world where people routinely come back from the grave, there are a few characters that should have stayed dead forever. Irene Manning and Victor Lord are two of them.
I really wanted them to explore Irene more in depth but this wasn't it. Obviously since they got canceled the writers stopped caring. Erika's performance during this scene was basically 'are we really doing this?'
Todd, Victor Jr and Viki were all looking at each other like, “Who came up with this crappy subplot?”
ur a WORK OF ART IRENE>>FRIST u were DIEING OF CANCER and NOW ur ALIVE IN LIFE!!??What VICTOR LORD ever SAW in u IRENE MANNOR i will NEVER KNOW!!
Lol he was a pedophile so….
This looks and sounds vaguely familiar... meaning this Todd/ Victor story line did we not see the same thing on General Hospital regarding Jason/ Drew.
This way 6 years before Jason and Drew.
I hate general hospital all y fo is copy oltl
Damn General Hospital writers have No Originality at all! They really stole from One life to life.
Days of our lives has twin also separated at birth
When Steve Burton returned in 2017 GH did a storyline similar to this one. The writers from OLTL are the same writers that did the 2 Jason storyline.
Victor is a total surprise in drama. I enjoy watching him on this show.
The male heirs! What about Tony Harris Lord? He was a male heir
I believe he died back in the 90s
Tony died while on assignment (off-screen) in 1982 (though his remains were never recovered).
I remember the two Todds
Twins ran in that family Victor Sr. And Vicki
GH did the same storyline with the two Jasons because in 2014, GH recast Jason with Billy Miller and had Jason undergo plastic surgery to explain his new face. In 2017, Steve Burton returned and it came out that Jason had a twin named Andrew, plus Andrew had ended up with Jason’s memories. They said that Billy Miller’s Jason was Andrew Cain and Steve Burton’s Jason was the real Jason Morgan.
@10:01 Victor clearly has blue eyes. Todd has brown eyes. Should have been easier for everyone to solve 😂
No, Todd has blue eyes. Dorian is the one with brown eyes.
I liked Roger Howarth better as Todd in any case.
RoHo's eyes are beautiful and seemed to change at times but are a soulful golden😊 sexy brown❤
If Tina was born in 1962 and the twin boys in 1970, she'd be old enough to remember their existence. Perhaps this can be explained away that either Irene 'ahem' "travelled" for a year for "work" or Tina was sent to live with a relative for a year. Utter nonsense.
It was explained in the mid-90's that Tina never previously met nor knew about Todd, so of course as of this airing that would include Victor Jr.
@@romanseano
Unless Tina was staying with relatives during the 9 months of Irene's pregnancy how could she not notice her mom being pregnant? Truly awful writing.
Yes, considering Tina lived with Vicki and Joe Reilly when Irene was hospitalized and after Irene " died".
Tina should at least remember her mother raising a little boy even if it was only for a few years before she was sent to Vicki
They should have written that Irene's "cover job"(if they were gonna make her a spy) was sales,so she was on the road half the year. Thus,Tina would stay with the Clayton side of her family.
Was watching some 6 Million Dollar Man earlier today and the actress that plays Irene was in the episode. Target in the Sky. She was still a good actress back then. heh
I feel the plots in soap operas became more convoluted once the majority became hour long shows. Although, I believe the writers in the 70’s and 80’s still knew how to tell story, despite that… I felt it was every new team that came on to “save” shows, never drew from the pasts, making ends meet, understanding the true legacies of the program they had been tasked to write.
At the same time, I have to consider the executive involvement, whose to say Ron Carlivati didn’t have a solid breakdown only for an exec to run interference.
Starr love Victor
The child that they didn't know about
So general hospital did the same thing to Jason and Andrew cane took their story line infact Todd was in that story line as well drew adopted brother omg
So dorian was letting a hint out that in fact she really killed victor. I choose to forget that stupid story where victor was alive. That was ridiculous bc he left everything he had to viki & todd. I guess he could have had money hidden but why would he pretend to be dead. Then they brought him back just for him to die. I really hate rewriting history.
Todd actually shot Victor
@@melli2413 oh I was talking about victor Jr. I kinda hate they named him victor jr bc I have to keep writing sr & jr after.
Dorian just confessed to murder.
Dorain originally played by Nancy Pinkerton did killed Victor. When you factor in the abuse that Viki suffer that why dorian killed him. Remember dorian was raised by a mother who killed her father.
@@stevenstewart5592 Correct. Nancy Pinkerton's Dorian Lord withheld his medication. Wanting him to change the will.
This wasn't a good story
This was such contrived soap opera nonsense. Such goofy BS.
TV6469 Crapped all over OLTL storylines from 2003-2011 and Trevor St. John fans. I do love Roger Howarth’s work and loved him as Todd in the 90’s and early 2000’s but the writers could have come up with something better than this foolishness.
Don't like they made Todd ma mean and crazy don't make no sense
I hate they keep Rewritibg history
So many holes in this story line.
1. VIcki/Tommy allegedly killed Victor Sr.
2. Irene was friends with Vicki so why this hateful woman
3. As previously pointed out, Irene was married to Ted Clayton with Tina in tow, how did she have time to give birth again to twins when Victor Sr was already dead?
It was Vicki's Tori alter that killed Victor, the clips are on here too.
But remember, Dorian actually confessed to killing Victor Lord
She had carried on an affair with Victor Sr. after they divorced.
After Victor Lord, Sr and Irene Manning divorced (of I am remembering this correctly), they continued their clandestine affair. Todd and Victor, Jr. were born in 1970 and Victor, Sr. died in 1976.
I've said it before: Barbara Rhodes was weirdly monotone and boring as Irene. Should have been Kathleen Noone... or Suzanne Somers, Lesley Ann Warren, Dolly Parton! Pretty much anyone else, lol...
I think it's hilarious how many people on this comment thread are bitching about this particular story line being convoluted when there have been much more convoluted and asinine storylines on this show.
Hmm.. Eterna?🫣
The old west story line lol