Thanks for the great episode. I think boring mills are "timeless". That was exactly the type job you would have been doing in a railroad shop, set up the same 100 years ago....Dave
I love your vids Adam. I don't and never will consider myself a Machinist but I have done field machining on flanges, cutting and beveling pipe etc. using I.D. and O.D. mount machines. Nothing like the work you do....except for the indicating. Wish I was half as good at it as you seem to be.
+Amateur Redneck Workshop It's in Adam's DNA as a third generation machinist he just has an "feel" for alignment and it helps that those big old Abom sized parts do not intimidate him at all.
+Abom79 What a blast from the past. I can't even imagine the hours I spent machining valve bodies, hundreds, truck loads, from the rough. Makes me sleepy just thinking about it. In some ways working with rough castings is easier, you make your own datum as you go, very little indicator work.
Adam you crack me up, " Man that's so close I don't think I'll even mess with it"! Then the perfectionist in you spends the next five minutes dialing in that last half thousandths. Everytime you say that I start laughing because two seconds later out comes the mallet! Thanks though, I've learned ten times more watching you than I ever did in machine shop class. Scott
Glad whatever at work changed that allows you to bring these great videos. I remember about a year ago you said you couldn't film much at work. But not having machining videos from your home shop or work would put us in serious depravity.
Nice SNS package Adam, thank you! Boy your skills and tooling would have come in real handy a million times back when I was working in the tank farms and refineries in Hawaii! I often wonder how many of the old crusty gaskets I had to scrap, wire wheel, and clean off to swap out for new spiral wounds were made of Asbestos? I see that valve was already clean when it got to you, lucky guy...or well, smart guy to choose those skills to pursue, LOL! Congrats on all of the cool pics and awesome laptop! Aloha...Chuck.
+Knolltop Farms Chuck they other guys blasted it before I got it, just another machine we have out back. It's a portable soda blaster, but lately we've been using some stuff called Black Beauty.....very abrasive stuff!
im leaving toolmaking behind me as its pretty much dead here in New Zealand, going to school to a degree in mechanical engineering, but man i love older tools, i was trained in the "oldschool way of toolmaking" with a shadowgraph, surface and cyylindrical grinders etc and it was the most enjoyable part of my trades career, i hop etoolmaking comes back one day its an awesome trade... Adam, honestly thanks for posting these videos, you make it so much easier to explain to girls what it is i do for aliving haha (im a manual machinist atm but just lost my job) i know im ging to miss th e hands on thing but with your videos i get a satisfaction and nostalgia, so thnks for that. You are a true artisan
Thanks Adam. Those radial feed mechanisms are really cool to see in action. I'll have to post a couple videos of Abom size jobs we do at work. I think you'd enjoy them. Not in my personal shop, I just have small machines. Thanks, John
The metal is WCB just a few grades above scrap . That looks like a body i might have made . Nice video its nice to see how something you made in the finishing process .
Hi Adam, On those valves 125 PSI would be cast iron body150 PSI, 300 PSI , 600 PSI would be steel bodies.I spent 40years in the petroleum industry working with valves from1/8" up to 16" 600 PSI. >Joe Morris
I just noticed "Manchester" written on the side of the Kearns. I'm guessing that was made over here in the UK then, good to see an old machine still being put to good use.
Nice job! Do you recertify the valve body? Or is there a limmit to how many time's it can be refaced, or is there a minimum flange thickness? Just wondering with pressure ratings and stuff. Cheers, Norman
I'd like to know some more about that machine. Seems a very versatile machine, including use to turn big parts, as I've seen in some of your old pictures there.
+watcherjohnny Ahh there is a standard procedure for such injuries when I am on the Narrow Boat. 1, Pour a good measure of malt whysky into a glass, 15 year old preferably. 2, Dip into whysky damaged appendage for 1 minute. 3, Drink whysky while finger dries, cigar is optional. 4. Drink whysky. I have yet to have a cut become infected :)
Great video. I am not familiar with how these boring mills work. Does the center spindle (drill chuck) always stay centered? Or does it offset with the slide/bolted boring bar holder?
Nice work Adam. I've worked ARCA valves before. That was definitely carbon steel. The embossed WCB means carbon steel. Not picking your work apart, but did you put serrations on the flange face? Typically you would see a 40 pitch concentric or phonographic finish on the flanges.
+MichelvdD1973 I am confused by this also. Understand the elliptical part of it, but don't understand how the tool moved from outside of flange face to inside of it. Looked at clip at the 12;30 part as stated, but really didn't catch what may have done it.
+MichelvdD1973 Not sure how exactly it is on the Kearns but there is usually a gear fixed to the face of the machine and a pinion in the rotating assembly that can be engaged or disengaged to provide an automatic feed of the tool for powered facing. The tool works just like a boring head for a mill only it can be powered for facing.
Same question from me too - never used a borer, even in my apprenticeship days. Presumably something to do with the collar that engages with the tool mounting block you showed at the beginning?? Another great video Adam, thanks.
Just FYI, most valves are cast steel of some grade. Not too many from cast iron. That WCB on the valve is the cast steel grade. In this case, a low carbon, mild steel. Similar to 1020 steel. Same would go for designations like WCC, LCB, LCC. Some other grades you could see would be CF8M, CA6NM, C5, etc. Those are stainless steel. Most all valves that are cast steel have the material designation cast on the side of them.
You can tell the Arse has fell out of Brent crude if there sending valve bodies to be re-machined.when I worked for Varco we just scrap them off a replace with new.Never once re machined a valve body.Did you have the valve seats re clad with inconel and re machined while it was in the shop ? First time I've ever seen this done normally just slung in the skip.
Okay, I think I have it figured out. Adam doesn't exactly talk to cold chunks of steel, but he THINKS to it, all right, get your ass set on that table square to the mill, and it does. How else would it be within a thou after a rough setup?
+bcbloc02 Yes it will, but the valve wasn't quite wide enough to have it centered. You have to keep in mind how much stick out you have off the chuck for your tools, and how close that chuck will be to the table.
never seen a machine that the tool rotated and moved like that. Wish Adam would have gone into more detail how the cutting tool moved in while spinning, I guess some sort of screw.
+Thomas A Sprouse It's built as a sliding chuck for operations like I shown. it works similar to a boring head, but built into the machine. Once day i share about it more.
The one, single bad side to using ring gaskets. They don't seal off the whole raised face on flanges. Neoprene is the best, but such a bitch to install.
This looks like a huge version of my Wohlhaupter boring and facing head. I also asked myself the question how the lateral movement of the tool works. Can you adjust this position manually during operation and/or via automatic feed? Impressive workmanship as always! Kind regards from Germany Harald If you are interested in the Wohlhaupter facing operation: ua-cam.com/video/HcfRd51AuOg/v-deo.html start at about 5:50
Come on Adam. You have a beautiful pice of kit like those broaches and you let them fall on the floor at the end of the pass !!!!! Have some respect for your tools!!!!
Nice job. Also nice to see someone not tightening the nuts off those clamps. Some people don't understand the amount of force clamps exert.
Always a pleasure watching a pro!Thanks Adam for showing us how to do things right the first time!!
It's really nice to have the right tool for the job. You made it look real easy.
I like your square tool holder. Very sturdy.
Thanks for showing a job on the boring mill. As usual, nice work. Jeff
Thanks for the great episode. I think boring mills are "timeless". That was exactly the type job you would have been doing in a railroad shop, set up the same 100 years ago....Dave
+David Richards They are cool machined to have and run David!
I love your vids Adam. I don't and never will consider myself a Machinist but I have done field machining on flanges, cutting and beveling pipe etc. using I.D. and O.D. mount machines. Nothing like the work you do....except for the indicating. Wish I was half as good at it as you seem to be.
What a great machine. Can't compete with that scale of operation!
You certainly do accurate setup very fast. Thanks for the video.
+Amateur Redneck Workshop It's in Adam's DNA as a third generation machinist he just has an "feel" for alignment and it helps that those big old Abom sized parts do not intimidate him at all.
Gotter Dun! Nice demo on the boring mill Adam, something i don't see a lot of on the tube. Thanks bud.
Great video Adam!
Like always your's are my favourite Sunday morning (Australian time) ones!
+Abom79 What a blast from the past. I can't even imagine the hours I spent machining valve bodies, hundreds, truck loads, from the rough. Makes me sleepy just thinking about it. In some ways working with rough castings is easier, you make your own datum as you go, very little indicator work.
That is a beast of a machine Adam. Good job. Thanks for sharing. regards from the UK
Thank you for these! Always look forward to saturday afternoons.
Look at the size of that thing. It makes the Kearns look normal sized. Awesome.
Great job sir.as usual!👍👍👍😃😃🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Adam you crack me up, " Man that's so close I don't think I'll even mess with it"! Then the perfectionist in you spends the next five minutes dialing in that last half thousandths. Everytime you say that I start laughing because two seconds later out comes the mallet! Thanks though, I've learned ten times more watching you than I ever did in machine shop class. Scott
That last thou always pulls me in!
I really enjoy these machining videos, great job!
Thanks....13
Awesome work Adam thanks for sharing.
Nice! Great to see some "different" machining setup. (stationary work piece)
Awesome outro with you walking away with the valve!
+Mike Tobiason Like that huh....planned it that way when filming.
Glad whatever at work changed that allows you to bring these great videos. I remember about a year ago you said you couldn't film much at work. But not having machining videos from your home shop or work would put us in serious depravity.
Nice to see the "back plunger" indicator being used
Nice SNS package Adam, thank you! Boy your skills and tooling would have come in real handy a million times back when I was working in the tank farms and refineries in Hawaii! I often wonder how many of the old crusty gaskets I had to scrap, wire wheel, and clean off to swap out for new spiral wounds were made of Asbestos?
I see that valve was already clean when it got to you, lucky guy...or well, smart guy to choose those skills to pursue, LOL!
Congrats on all of the cool pics and awesome laptop! Aloha...Chuck.
+Knolltop Farms Chuck they other guys blasted it before I got it, just another machine we have out back. It's a portable soda blaster, but lately we've been using some stuff called Black Beauty.....very abrasive stuff!
Setup is everything and in this case having big assed machines and tools
great work; greetings from Steel Town Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
im leaving toolmaking behind me as its pretty much dead here in New Zealand, going to school to a degree in mechanical engineering, but man i love older tools, i was trained in the "oldschool way of toolmaking" with a shadowgraph, surface and cyylindrical grinders etc and it was the most enjoyable part of my trades career, i hop etoolmaking comes back one day its an awesome trade...
Adam, honestly thanks for posting these videos, you make it so much easier to explain to girls what it is i do for aliving haha (im a manual machinist atm but just lost my job)
i know im ging to miss th e hands on thing but with your videos i get a satisfaction and nostalgia, so thnks for that.
You are a true artisan
Thanks Adam.
Those radial feed mechanisms are really cool to see in action.
I'll have to post a couple videos of Abom size jobs we do at work.
I think you'd enjoy them.
Not in my personal shop, I just have small machines.
Thanks,
John
The metal is WCB just a few grades above scrap . That looks like a body i might have made .
Nice video its nice to see how something you made in the finishing process .
ABOM SIZED PARALLELL --- LOVE IT !!
Cool work on the valve, love that jigbore machine :D
boy that machine looks like it would turn you in to salt water taffy in about two seconds if you didn't pay attention...good stuff there adam
+rog mags Like any machine, be careful and think before the act. it'll hurt you if you let it.
awesome. it's always cool watching your videos necause you work on alot of stuff I work with.
HEAVY STUFF NEVER WHERE ISSUE FOR YOU . GREAT MAN
nice work, thanks for the video
Hi Adam, On those valves 125 PSI would be cast iron body150 PSI, 300 PSI , 600 PSI would be steel bodies.I spent 40years in the petroleum industry working with valves from1/8" up to 16" 600 PSI. >Joe Morris
Hey. I didn't catch where you gramophone finished the gasket face. Did I miss it?
How that was very interesting Adam , Really enjoyed man!!
I assume that the bottom flange that the part was sitting on didn't have a face to be machined? That would have been an interesting setup.
that's cool nice job Adam
I just noticed "Manchester" written on the side of the Kearns. I'm guessing that was made over here in the UK then, good to see an old machine still being put to good use.
+Wobblycogs Workshop www.gracesguide.co.uk/H._W._Kearns_and_Co
Nice work Adam. I can see why your Dad bought that machine for your old shop, it looks like it can do many different things.
+Bill De La Vega Yep, our other guy Sonny at the time told Dad it would make a great addition to the shop and for our work. he wasn't wrong.
Good One. Thanks
never seen or understood how a boring mill works. would love a walk thru of the machine if you get a chance
I was just thinking the same thing.
Made my Saturday Good.
Beautiful!
Nice job! Do you recertify the valve body? Or is there a limmit to how many time's it can be refaced, or is there a minimum flange thickness? Just wondering with pressure ratings and stuff.
Cheers,
Norman
I'd like to know some more about that machine. Seems a very versatile machine, including use to turn big parts, as I've seen in some of your old pictures there.
Adam, at some point could you possibly do a walk through tutorial on that boring machine? Interested in knowing capabilities of a machine like that.
Love the videos Adam.
Hahaha 10:40 made me daisy, was fallowing the tool with my eyes :P
You and Brian Block would make a good team.
Nice job
Nice Video Adam, What was the material? The way some of the chips were coming off looked like it may be SS.
+The Backyard Machine Shop Carbon steel
Why would someone down vote this awesome video??? They must be crazy
+WRX Mike As someone else once commented those are likely thumbs up from Australia.
adam thank you for S.N. double.
How many pages of OSHA paperwork did you need to fill-out for that injury?
+watcherjohnny Ahh there is a standard procedure for such injuries when I am on the Narrow Boat.
1, Pour a good measure of malt whysky into a glass, 15 year old preferably.
2, Dip into whysky damaged appendage for 1 minute.
3, Drink whysky while finger dries, cigar is optional.
4. Drink whysky.
I have yet to have a cut become infected :)
+Godshole I wish you were my doctor.
lol
:)
+Godshole WD40 does just as good a job, but doesn't taste as nice as whysky...
I noticed that as well..
are you able to replicate the 125-250 aarh serrated finish on the flange gasket surfaces with that machine?
Very cool!
Great video. I am not familiar with how these boring mills work. Does the center spindle (drill chuck) always stay centered? Or does it offset with the slide/bolted boring bar holder?
+Frank Rathmell the center spindle is always fixed, the holder that is used for facing is what moves radially,.
+Frank Rathmell yes, spindle is fixed but can move left or right like normal. the center section of the chuck will slide out.
Nice work Adam. I've worked ARCA valves before. That was definitely carbon steel. The embossed WCB means carbon steel. Not picking your work apart, but did you put serrations on the flange face? Typically you would see a 40 pitch concentric or phonographic finish on the flanges.
+cornwejf It wasn't machined with a phono finish, but I used a course feed on mine.
I guess the cutter moves on ever rotation in or out...to cut right?
About how much do you think this machine was new?
How does the tool moves from the in to the outside?
+MichelvdD1973 I am confused by this also. Understand the elliptical part of it, but don't understand how the tool moved from outside of flange face to inside of it. Looked at clip at the 12;30 part as stated, but really didn't catch what may have done it.
+MichelvdD1973 Not sure how exactly it is on the Kearns but there is usually a gear fixed to the face of the machine and a pinion in the rotating assembly that can be engaged or disengaged to provide an automatic feed of the tool for powered facing. The tool works just like a boring head for a mill only it can be powered for facing.
+bcbloc02 Knew someone would come up with answer, thanks Brian!
I had to study it for a while before I noticed the tool holder moves laterally in the head. Very neat and capable machine!
Same question from me too - never used a borer, even in my apprenticeship days. Presumably something to do with the collar that engages with the tool mounting block you showed at the beginning?? Another great video Adam, thanks.
Just FYI, most valves are cast steel of some grade. Not too many from cast iron. That WCB on the valve is the cast steel grade. In this case, a low carbon, mild steel. Similar to 1020 steel. Same would go for designations like WCC, LCB, LCC. Some other grades you could see would be CF8M, CA6NM, C5, etc. Those are stainless steel. Most all valves that are cast steel have the material designation cast on the side of them.
Also the fact it is raised face... You'll rarely ever see cast iron have a raised face flange. Usually flat face for cast iron.
+Tyler Schneiter Thanks for the info Tyler
You can tell the Arse has fell out of Brent crude if there sending valve bodies to be re-machined.when I worked for Varco we just scrap them off a replace with new.Never once re machined a valve body.Did you have the valve seats re clad with inconel and re machined while it was in the shop ? First time I've ever seen this done normally just slung in the skip.
Where is the groove for the face seal gone or did I just not see it ?
Okay, I think I have it figured out. Adam doesn't exactly talk to cold chunks of steel, but he THINKS to it, all right, get your ass set on that table square to the mill, and it does. How else would it be within a thou after a rough setup?
I thought the table could rotate on the Kearns? no?
+bcbloc02 yes
+bcbloc02 Yes it will, but the valve wasn't quite wide enough to have it centered. You have to keep in mind how much stick out you have off the chuck for your tools, and how close that chuck will be to the table.
Abom79
Gotcha, i wondered why you didn't just turn it rather than set it back up.
Did you ever try to mount the gopro on the toolholder, filming the top of the cutting edge?
I did once, way too much movement to be able to focus.
Awwww, too bad.
the good video
never seen a machine that the tool rotated and moved like that. Wish Adam would have gone into more detail how the cutting tool moved in while spinning, I guess some sort of screw.
+Thomas A Sprouse It's built as a sliding chuck for operations like I shown. it works similar to a boring head, but built into the machine. Once day i share about it more.
That machine could pass for a K&T on steroids.
And..... Where do you think she started her life?
The one, single bad side to using ring gaskets. They don't seal off the whole raised face on flanges. Neoprene is the best, but such a bitch to install.
This looks like a huge version of my Wohlhaupter boring and facing head.
I also asked myself the question how the lateral movement of the tool works.
Can you adjust this position manually during operation and/or via automatic feed?
Impressive workmanship as always!
Kind regards from Germany
Harald
If you are interested in the Wohlhaupter facing operation:
ua-cam.com/video/HcfRd51AuOg/v-deo.html start at about 5:50
Come on Adam. You have a beautiful pice of kit like those broaches and you let them fall on the floor at the end of the pass !!!!! Have some respect for your tools!!!!
tolle arbeit!!!