@@michael.diamant I'm aware of that. I must admit, I met one professor who said that classic projects always prove themselves. Thank you for everything you do to raise awareness about the issue and seek solutions.
There's a university in the US that teaches traditional architecture (don't remember the name). Maybe consider moving/attending there and be part of the new generation of Traditional architects?
It's true that modern society is so caught up in ideology that they'll deny beauty over what they think it communicates socially/politically... almost as if beauty is inherently oppressive, or a threat to this modern ideological tradition. "The modernist puts a lot of ideological and philosophical reasoning behind every building." That quote is so accurate. It is like the tradition of egocentric ideological over-thinking put into practice in architecture. And the result ties into Michael's point on beauty regarding "readability." Our minds read ideological designs as chaotic, unrefined, and appeasing to ideas rather than to real principles of beauty.
Its not even society itself, its infiltration on academia. There's no way normal people would think those ways unless they were drowning in propaganda for decades. Some (((forces))) just want to make everything ugly, disfunctional, monotone, confusing, and chaotic as possible.
Modern Architecture is true to some basic principles like: -Usability -Durability -multicode and flexibility -truth to materials -understandability -humanity So there are is a certain technical terminology. This counts for good architecture. Of course there are building around there, it doesn’t matter from which epoque, that are marginally even considered architecture (considering Enzo piano: liminal spaces and nonarchitecture). There are so many wonderful modernistic buildings that put the human in focus. The Bauhaus concluded the „Neufert“. There are so many great modern(ist) architects. I live in a modernist building. I love the light just pouring in.
@M.A.K.666 most modernist buildings are objectively ugly from the exterior, barring a very few fringe opinions like yours. They are often objectively great looking in their interiors however, lots of sunlight in the design philosophy being the main reason But a traditionalist mindset and modernist interior principles dont have to be mutually exclusive. Traditionalism is simply a framework that tells you to respect the style and customs of a local culture, instead of utilizing the oppressively globalist modern styles like brutalism and modernism which seek to make every location look the same I also disagree with you lumping humanity into modernism. Modernism is very hostile to humanity, as its hostile to local culture. Anything globalist is hostile to humanity as humanity isnt a hive mind. individuality, uniqueness and cultural differences are what make humanity so special
The Native American tee pee is my favorite architecture at the moment. You can have a nice fire in the center of it. Everybody inside sits in a circle so you can see everyone. You just set it up for the ceremony then you take it down in the morning. The way that sound and fire light play inside the tee pee is magnificent. I tend to think that we spent hundreds of thousands of years gathering together in structures like that. I think modern humans are desperate to relate to simple elements like fire or earth and to be surrounded by organic materials. I think humans are starved to see each other’s faces lit by fire light. Sitting on the ground in a tee pee all night supports a person in feeling like they are living on the earth and that their life is meaningful.
You're doing a wonderful job Michael, I wish you and your likeminded colleagues continued success! We need it, we as a species need, I believe that beautiful architecture makes us better human beings, living among beautiful buildings benefit our souls and spirits!
Thank you very much! We are many in this movement and you do your share just by knowing that we can build beautiful today and by telling your friends and family!
It is so refreshing to see this classical revival that has been growing in my heart for many years going into bloom. Thank you for your important contributions.
15:00 RE: Discussion of Beauty - Please see Roger Scruton's works on the subject, specifically the talk here on youtube "Roger Scruton: Beauty in a World of Ugliness" as well as an excellent video called "Why Beauty Matters". He's also written an excellent book "Beauty: A very Short Introduction" which introduces and does a good job of laying the intellectual framework for understanding how to define and pin-down this difficult subject.
thank you Carl Korsnes for this second interview with Michael Diamant . hail for beauty , hail for traditional Architecture . we need an episode about the ugly modernist art .
We will be objected that beauty is very suggestive, for this reason I prefer to say that modern art most often lacks nobility and humanism in the sense that it most often does not trigger any emotion in us. It no longer elevates us, no longer transcends us. Here, in Europe and in France where I watch you and follow you on your excellent You-tube channel, we have the same kind of questioning about modernism and progressivism which have become a new religion that we are ordered to embrace under pain to pass for horrible conservatives with fascist overtones. It is a real dictatorship of the mind. We must destroy the old world and everything related to it. And beware of those who do not adhere to it; we will be excommunicated, ostracized and led to the scaffold as under the terror in 1793
It is one element of the hypnotist's process , discombobulation of the past and of memory . But to what end ? The only way we are going to make it through this is if we understand that many people are actually insane , and use craziness as their "Mask of Sanity " -- where as most of us , are a little crazy , and putting on the mask of sanity allows us to communicate on a stable platform . My definition of fey , crazy , and insane are very helpful to think about this . Fey is when you make a farm land out of your mashed potatoes on your plate . Crazy is when you have potatoes , tell your table mate to look at the airplane , and steal his potatoes when he looks away . Insane , is when you take your plate of potatoes , and smash them on your head . Understanding how to recognize people with plates of food upside down on their heads , is where to start ,
Brilliant interview and I very much hope this movement will succeed. In future, I also want to help build awareness of these ideas and the movement in my home country, the UK. I think all of us should. Without people taking action, nothing will come out of it
A good example for the cost effective approach to add on to the analogy that Michael used is smartphones. Smartphones range in cost depending on what you put inside them and what design you decide to go with. If you choose what is mainstream and normal all of the molds already exist, all of the punch designs already are programmed in at the factories, and assembly workers do not have to learn a new muscle memory movement to assemble your phone. Therefor most phone companies stick to very similar designs from others because if you choose to do otherwise you have to get all new molds, all new programming designs for the factory machines, and the assembly workers have to learn all new movements for their end; and in doing so that eats into your profit as you will have to pay more for say a 6 inch screen as opposed to +6.5 inch screen which is much cheaper due to so many other companies already ordering phones of that size from the manufacturers. Apple did the iPhone SE and people said hey we want more of that! And apple really didn't follow up on that, but Oppo, Google, and Asus did because the market demand is there which means the overall extra expenditure they will have to pay in manufacturing costs won't be as high because it is no longer just one company making a niche product but several making similar designs which means the manufacturers have less work to do in order to produce those sizes
You are welcome! There is a movement now in most countries including Germany where you have both Archtiectur Rebellion and Stadtbildt Deutschland fighting for beauty!
@@michael.diamant thank you, this is really inspiring! I, personally, live on an old farm, where I rebuilt the farmhouse in the traditional way. And i'm quite tempted to found an ART-REBELLION for classical painting :)
@@michael.diamant You speak of it being idealogical and I certainly agree. I think the modernists' need to impose their worldview on us comes from a place of deep resentment. Sure, they may be able to recognize beauty, but they are in no way capable of creating beauty. In order to produce beauty, you must have a genuine love for the human spirit. I'm not convinced that modernists have love for anyone but themselves.
Will continue with help of millions of others. In the last two weeks alone dozens of new "architecture rebellions" have started globally like in Chile and Brazil and North Macedonia.
The problem in the industry in general is agreed upon by the general architect though: it's not the aesthetic ideology of the architect that is the biggest problem necessarily, it's the aesthetic wish, or rather, the economic profitability of the client that is the problem. 99 % of the time clients are genuinely moronic about any matter of architecture, and as long as you present options which have a clear difference in profitability, they're gonna pick the worst option regardless of function or aesthetics. Architects who wish to design beauty and harmony are locked by the client.
Both clients and developers were as "moronic" and "greedy" in the past as now. What changed is that modernist architects promoted the idea that beauty is both subjective and not important. Fits developers like a hand in a glove and they use it fully. It also reduced the need for architects and thus modernists have undermined the whole profession.
@@michael.diamant True, but wouldn't the shift of cost also matter? Materials back in the day used to be the costliest part of building development, but (depending on where in the world) now the cost is more allocated to the workforce. Having people practice sculpting and manage ornamentation is costly for this reason. I'm asking because I am studying to become an architect. I want to engage in the traditional ways and develop it further.
@@theawesomesausage It is a relevant question I answer in the interview. Short from the same interview: ua-cam.com/users/shorts9NqK_eri0M8?feature=share
Believe me there is a reason why the messengers of Dystopia all work VERY hard at dressing and coiffing and sculpting their physiques to maintain serious contact with the masses . Beauty is a primary memetic connector , which can be used as a Trojan horse of content . To me , beauty is balance in motion . Pretty is balance , beauty is something that is so perfectly balanced that it can be moved by a feather .
One must always remember that the human brain is what is experiencing and filtering - and that the male mind is asymmetrical, and the female mind is symmetrical . So the male will actually become energized by symmetry , and the feminine will -- for example, more likely enjoy a male with his hair parted to the side , than down the middle, and a male will more likely enjoy a female with her hair parted down the middle . In my opinion , the male female conversation has been totally ruined during the last 100 years , and is the primary place of therapeutic healing that needs to be brought into EVERY conversation . If it is not , it will come into the conversation through the back door , or worse , through the chimney !
It's a great documentary, it definitely changed my view on our arts, our culture and architecture. I'm 22 but I definitely see that architects don't really care about the past, they are more worried about the trends of now.
I agree with everything except the colonial part in Vietnam, I think the Vietnamese should bring back their own ancient architecture, which is built on the same principles as ours, but with a slightly different approach, if I may say so.
That’s exactly what they did. They incorporated vietnamese vernacular design elements and combined it with an Art Deco approach to design. I think that perfectly sums up what you suggested.
@@MrReedling I understand what you mean, but i was talking about their ancient temples architecture. Asia has already amazing classical non western architecture.
Yeah ancient asia has some fucking awesome shit! ESPECIALLY all the non chinese stuff! (Not hating on dope ancient china its just people always overlook other asian cultures awesome ancient architecture)
What a silly modern obsession, that of defining everything. You should be suspicious of your drive for definition, as it betrays a scientistic mindset.
The drive to define and categorize everything is itself rooted in the scientific revolution. That's quite literally what it was born to do. Your critique makes no sense. Also, he's not really defining much of anything. He is merely explaining what classical architecture proper is, and how it can be used with and embodied by any architectural style (Greek, Roman, Romanesque, Byzantine, Gothic, Ottoman [originally Byzantine, later infused with Sasanian/Persian influence], Hindu, Chinese, Japanese, Baroque/Rococo, Georgian, Federal, Spanish Mission, French Country, Acadian, Craftsman, Art Deco, etc., and all the revivals of each).
I can’t go back to a feudalistic aesthetic simply because there’s an issue with modernism. I believe we can bring back a humanistic aesthetic without such regression.
@@michael.diamant The dichotomy between modernism and classicism appears predominantly European 😅. You talking ‘brainwash’ here is also steeped in Eurocentrism, particularly when I’m trying to address the global inequalities perpetuated by European modernism. Criticizing modernism while advocating for the revival of European classicism is distrubing. Such an approach could inadvertently reinforce modernist (anti-classical) ideologies.
@@jaewoopark3144 what nonsense. We want a revival of all traditions but as we are in Europe we speak of the Greeco-Roman tradition and European Vernaculars. Where are you situated if I may ask?
I love your attack attitude. Enough with being on the defence.
As an architecture student I can tell that students are brainwashed from the very first lecture. I feel like I'm leaving a cult.
You are! And of course you will be condemned by the remaining cultmembers.
@@michael.diamant I'm aware of that. I must admit, I met one professor who said that classic projects always prove themselves. Thank you for everything you do to raise awareness about the issue and seek solutions.
There's a university in the US that teaches traditional architecture (don't remember the name). Maybe consider moving/attending there and be part of the new generation of Traditional architects?
@@prod.SonicGems-ii3gl it is Notre Dame University in South Bend. But they have started in several other places now in the US!
@@michael.diamant Yes, I searched it after I commented. Good to know it's spreading!
Beauty is objective, taste is subjective
I will continue to support you guys, this movement in the future will become bigger.
And how much it has grown in the last 2 weeks alone! There are new started movements now raging from Brazil and Chile to Macedonia!
@@michael.diamant Brazil? I'm a brazilian and I would love to know more about, we sure need A LOT more of classical architecture here.
You have given a voice to the voiceless, guys!
Thank you! That is exactly what we are striving for.
It's true that modern society is so caught up in ideology that they'll deny beauty over what they think it communicates socially/politically... almost as if beauty is inherently oppressive, or a threat to this modern ideological tradition. "The modernist puts a lot of ideological and philosophical reasoning behind every building." That quote is so accurate. It is like the tradition of egocentric ideological over-thinking put into practice in architecture. And the result ties into Michael's point on beauty regarding "readability." Our minds read ideological designs as chaotic, unrefined, and appeasing to ideas rather than to real principles of beauty.
Its not even society itself, its infiltration on academia. There's no way normal people would think those ways unless they were drowning in propaganda for decades. Some (((forces))) just want to make everything ugly, disfunctional, monotone, confusing, and chaotic as possible.
Modern Architecture is true to some basic principles like:
-Usability
-Durability
-multicode and flexibility
-truth to materials
-understandability
-humanity
So there are is a certain technical terminology. This counts for good architecture. Of course there are building around there, it doesn’t matter from which epoque, that are marginally even considered architecture (considering Enzo piano: liminal spaces and nonarchitecture).
There are so many wonderful modernistic buildings that put the human in focus. The Bauhaus concluded the „Neufert“. There are so many great modern(ist) architects. I live in a modernist building. I love the light just pouring in.
Yes they build crap modernist buildings that people don't even care taking pictures.
@M.A.K.666 most modernist buildings are objectively ugly from the exterior, barring a very few fringe opinions like yours. They are often objectively great looking in their interiors however, lots of sunlight in the design philosophy being the main reason
But a traditionalist mindset and modernist interior principles dont have to be mutually exclusive. Traditionalism is simply a framework that tells you to respect the style and customs of a local culture, instead of utilizing the oppressively globalist modern styles like brutalism and modernism which seek to make every location look the same
I also disagree with you lumping humanity into modernism. Modernism is very hostile to humanity, as its hostile to local culture. Anything globalist is hostile to humanity as humanity isnt a hive mind. individuality, uniqueness and cultural differences are what make humanity so special
The Native American tee pee is my favorite architecture at the moment. You can have a nice fire in the center of it. Everybody inside sits in a circle so you can see everyone. You just set it up for the ceremony then you take it down in the morning. The way that sound and fire light play inside the tee pee is magnificent. I tend to think that we spent hundreds of thousands of years gathering together in structures like that. I think modern humans are desperate to relate to simple elements like fire or earth and to be surrounded by organic materials. I think humans are starved to see each other’s faces lit by fire light. Sitting on the ground in a tee pee all night supports a person in feeling like they are living on the earth and that their life is meaningful.
In Europe we have (had) the hearth.
Incorporating teepee like elements into our architecture would be very cool. Definitely would promote healthy family relationships
You're doing a wonderful job Michael, I wish you and your likeminded colleagues continued success!
We need it, we as a species need, I believe that beautiful architecture makes us better human beings, living among beautiful buildings benefit our souls and spirits!
Thank you very much! We are many in this movement and you do your share just by knowing that we can build beautiful today and by telling your friends and family!
It is so refreshing to see this classical revival that has been growing in my heart for many years going into bloom. Thank you for your important contributions.
15:00 RE: Discussion of Beauty - Please see Roger Scruton's works on the subject, specifically the talk here on youtube "Roger Scruton: Beauty in a World of Ugliness" as well as an excellent video called "Why Beauty Matters". He's also written an excellent book "Beauty: A very Short Introduction" which introduces and does a good job of laying the intellectual framework for understanding how to define and pin-down this difficult subject.
thank you Carl Korsnes for this second interview with Michael Diamant . hail for beauty , hail for traditional Architecture . we need an episode about the ugly modernist art .
Art has equally been destroyed by modernism. And we are getting there. After we won architecture we will win art, poetry, music and so on.
It was great that you guys could get Michael back on again and I enjoy Carl just as much as I enjoy Jan
We will be objected that beauty is very suggestive, for this reason I prefer to say that modern art most often lacks nobility and humanism in the sense that it most often does not trigger any emotion in us. It no longer elevates us, no longer transcends us.
Here, in Europe and in France where I watch you and follow you on your excellent You-tube channel, we have the same kind of questioning about modernism and progressivism which have become a new religion that we are ordered to embrace under pain to pass for horrible conservatives with fascist overtones.
It is a real dictatorship of the mind. We must destroy the old world and everything related to it. And beware of those who do not adhere to it; we will be excommunicated, ostracized and led to the scaffold as under the terror in 1793
And then a Napoleon emerges and violently rips the head of the dragon, conquers all those would-be tyrants and establishes a new dawn
@@Thomas-xd4cx I did enjoy the movie they just came out with - the actor did well with the exploration of the subject
It is one element of the hypnotist's process , discombobulation of the past and of memory . But to what end ? The only way we are going to make it through this is if we understand that many people are actually insane , and use craziness as their "Mask of Sanity " -- where as most of us , are a little crazy , and putting on the mask of sanity allows us to communicate on a stable platform . My definition of fey , crazy , and insane are very helpful to think about this . Fey is when you make a farm land out of your mashed potatoes on your plate . Crazy is when you have potatoes , tell your table mate to look at the airplane , and steal his potatoes when he looks away . Insane , is when you take your plate of potatoes , and smash them on your head . Understanding how to recognize people with plates of food upside down on their heads , is where to start ,
Mr Diamant, I agree with you virtually 100%. To hell with scientism, instinct is key.
Great interview. So much common such that should be broadcast everywhere. Please keep promote beauty and actual sustainability!
Thank you! Please share it wherever you can :)
Brilliant interview and I very much hope this movement will succeed.
In future, I also want to help build awareness of these ideas and the movement in my home country, the UK. I think all of us should. Without people taking action, nothing will come out of it
There are luckily enough some great movements in the UK! Do you know of Create Streets?
A good example for the cost effective approach to add on to the analogy that Michael used is smartphones.
Smartphones range in cost depending on what you put inside them and what design you decide to go with.
If you choose what is mainstream and normal all of the molds already exist, all of the punch designs already are programmed in at the factories, and assembly workers do not have to learn a new muscle memory movement to assemble your phone.
Therefor most phone companies stick to very similar designs from others because if you choose to do otherwise you have to get all new molds, all new programming designs for the factory machines, and the assembly workers have to learn all new movements for their end; and in doing so that eats into your profit as you will have to pay more for say a 6 inch screen as opposed to +6.5 inch screen which is much cheaper due to so many other companies already ordering phones of that size from the manufacturers.
Apple did the iPhone SE and people said hey we want more of that! And apple really didn't follow up on that, but Oppo, Google, and Asus did because the market demand is there which means the overall extra expenditure they will have to pay in manufacturing costs won't be as high because it is no longer just one company making a niche product but several making similar designs which means the manufacturers have less work to do in order to produce those sizes
I upvoted even before listening. You have a staunch ally here.
Thank you so much for speaking out loud what I have been thinking all my life 🙏❤️
You are welcome! There is a movement now in most countries including Germany where you have both Archtiectur Rebellion and Stadtbildt Deutschland fighting for beauty!
@@michael.diamant thank you, this is really inspiring! I, personally, live on an old farm, where I rebuilt the farmhouse in the traditional way. And i'm quite tempted to found an ART-REBELLION for classical painting :)
Modernist architects who live in classical buildings: "Beauty for me, not for thee".
That is the craziest part. They live and work much more than the general population in classical buildings so they know what is good yet..
@@michael.diamant You speak of it being idealogical and I certainly agree. I think the modernists' need to impose their worldview on us comes from a place of deep resentment. Sure, they may be able to recognize beauty, but they are in no way capable of creating beauty. In order to produce beauty, you must have a genuine love for the human spirit. I'm not convinced that modernists have love for anyone but themselves.
Exactly, they see themselves as superior and advant garde. That is a very bad self perception if one should create an environment for the common man.
This channel is dope af
Yes Mr Diamant please go on the attack!
Will continue with help of millions of others. In the last two weeks alone dozens of new "architecture rebellions" have started globally like in Chile and Brazil and North Macedonia.
The problem in the industry in general is agreed upon by the general architect though: it's not the aesthetic ideology of the architect that is the biggest problem necessarily, it's the aesthetic wish, or rather, the economic profitability of the client that is the problem. 99 % of the time clients are genuinely moronic about any matter of architecture, and as long as you present options which have a clear difference in profitability, they're gonna pick the worst option regardless of function or aesthetics. Architects who wish to design beauty and harmony are locked by the client.
Both clients and developers were as "moronic" and "greedy" in the past as now. What changed is that modernist architects promoted the idea that beauty is both subjective and not important. Fits developers like a hand in a glove and they use it fully. It also reduced the need for architects and thus modernists have undermined the whole profession.
@@michael.diamant True, but wouldn't the shift of cost also matter? Materials back in the day used to be the costliest part of building development, but (depending on where in the world) now the cost is more allocated to the workforce. Having people practice sculpting and manage ornamentation is costly for this reason.
I'm asking because I am studying to become an architect. I want to engage in the traditional ways and develop it further.
@@theawesomesausage It is a relevant question I answer in the interview. Short from the same interview: ua-cam.com/users/shorts9NqK_eri0M8?feature=share
Believe me there is a reason why the messengers of Dystopia all work VERY hard at dressing and coiffing and sculpting their physiques to maintain serious contact with the masses . Beauty is a primary memetic connector , which can be used as a Trojan horse of content .
To me , beauty is balance in motion . Pretty is balance , beauty is something that is so perfectly balanced that it can be moved by a feather .
One must always remember that the human brain is what is experiencing and filtering - and that the male mind is asymmetrical, and the female mind is symmetrical . So the male will actually become energized by symmetry , and the feminine will -- for example, more likely enjoy a male with his hair parted to the side , than down the middle, and a male will more likely enjoy a female with her hair parted down the middle . In my opinion , the male female conversation has been totally ruined during the last 100 years , and is the primary place of therapeutic healing that needs to be brought into EVERY conversation . If it is not , it will come into the conversation through the back door , or worse , through the chimney !
Roger Scruton: Why Beauty Matters.
It's a great documentary, it definitely changed my view on our arts, our culture and architecture. I'm 22 but I definitely see that architects don't really care about the past, they are more worried about the trends of now.
I recently took Hellen Keller to Falling Water, it was pretty chill
Is the building on the right on the thumbnail Benjamin Franklin College at Yale?
Yes I think so. Completed in 2017!
I agree with everything except the colonial part in Vietnam, I think the Vietnamese should bring back their own ancient architecture, which is built on the same principles as ours, but with a slightly different approach, if I may say so.
That’s exactly what they did. They incorporated vietnamese vernacular design elements and combined it with an Art Deco approach to design. I think that perfectly sums up what you suggested.
@@MrReedling I understand what you mean, but i was talking about their ancient temples architecture. Asia has already amazing classical non western architecture.
Yeah ancient asia has some fucking awesome shit! ESPECIALLY all the non chinese stuff! (Not hating on dope ancient china its just people always overlook other asian cultures awesome ancient architecture)
Exactly !! @@theFORZA66
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Could any body please provide me with a link of the Oslo city central, the rejected one and the approved ?
1:18:03 funny and frustrating at the same time
Interesting subject but tricky to listen with all the "mmm" from the left guy
Learn Swedish and have a conversation with him.
@@sonjak8265 ?
What a silly modern obsession, that of defining everything. You should be suspicious of your drive for definition, as it betrays a scientistic mindset.
The drive to define and categorize everything is itself rooted in the scientific revolution. That's quite literally what it was born to do. Your critique makes no sense.
Also, he's not really defining much of anything. He is merely explaining what classical architecture proper is, and how it can be used with and embodied by any architectural style (Greek, Roman, Romanesque, Byzantine, Gothic, Ottoman [originally Byzantine, later infused with Sasanian/Persian influence], Hindu, Chinese, Japanese, Baroque/Rococo, Georgian, Federal, Spanish Mission, French Country, Acadian, Craftsman, Art Deco, etc., and all the revivals of each).
Try to be quiet when your interviewee is speaking. The constant “yes” and “uh huh” is very distracting
I can’t go back to a feudalistic aesthetic simply because there’s an issue with modernism. I believe we can bring back a humanistic aesthetic without such regression.
Yes you describe the brainwashing I am talking about perfectly well.
How Eurocentric can this discussion be😂
@@jaewoopark3144 ? what do you mean? The problem with anywhere modernism replacing beautiful local tradition is global.
@@michael.diamant The dichotomy between modernism and classicism appears predominantly European 😅. You talking ‘brainwash’ here is also steeped in Eurocentrism, particularly when I’m trying to address the global inequalities perpetuated by European modernism. Criticizing modernism while advocating for the revival of European classicism is distrubing. Such an approach could inadvertently reinforce modernist (anti-classical) ideologies.
@@jaewoopark3144 what nonsense. We want a revival of all traditions but as we are in Europe we speak of the Greeco-Roman tradition and European Vernaculars. Where are you situated if I may ask?