Debunking 5 Myths About Wilt Chamberlain and 60s Basketball
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Wilt Chamberlain's era (the 60s) is full of myths that hold little to no truth. In this video i will debunk 5 of these myths. 60s are the most disrespected era in NBA history and the superstars such as Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Nate Thurmond, and many others of the time share in that disrespect. Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell are two greats that deserve to be honored but many fans simply turn a blind eye to their accomplishments. I hope to shed light on why these accomplishments are just as impressive as current day superstar accomplishments if not more so. I hope you enjoy.
Many of the clips i use are from the channel Wilt Chamberlain Archive. It's a really great channel and if you want to learn more about 60's basketball i suggest heading over there.
/ @wiltchamberlainarchive
He played 14 years.He averaged 46 minutes a game for 14 years. Now players sit out games because they don't want to get hurt. The GOAT The Big Dipper
@Sludge chill dude, there's a way to get your point across without sounding offended or being an unnecessary asshole.
@@sludge4125 ok show me one player who can say they say out only 2 minutes of every game for their entire career, he played over 1100 games. One year he averaged 48.5 minutes,he played every minute of the entire season and averaged 50 points a game. He was never in foul trouble because he blocked almost every shot that went up. Nobody has ever been as good as Wilt.
Wilt would be the number 1 pick every year since 1960, without question. No other player comes close.
Britt Courville, he NEVER FOULED OUT because he could just go straight up and with his outstretched arms and jumping ability that was enough. His high school coach told him, “you can’t help your team if you are on the bench”, so he never fouled out in high school and college either.
@@clu4u I saw him play, the only player I've ever seen to play at the top of the backboard. Saw him snatch 20 foot jump shots out of mid air with one hand. Great player.
I'm old enough to have seen Wilt vs Russell a few times. Wilt dominated Russell in the 1 on 1 match ups. The Celtic's were just the better team.
John Derfler no Wilt also has a great teammates..But Wilt never had a great PG that can pass except for Jerry West
@@themaster4578 Yes, Wilt too played with great players. I will say Russell had a decided advantage for the first 5 yrs or so. After that, no.
Bear Stein
Yah and MJ is a ball hog the only reason he won is bc he played in a weak era can’t even beat the bad boys.. And Wilt was fighting against 5-6 HoF and MJ can’t even defeat the bad boys with Scottie
Edit: Compared to Wilts era MJ (90s) era is just a rookie and compared to MJ era LEBRON’S era is just a joke a fucking joke..
in my opinion, you need a "big three"...kind of like Jordan Pippen Rodman. Then get any other competent players.
Alan Martinez jordan is a loser
Great video! I love your number 4 myth debunk.
Wow that was really well put together you really changed my whole perspective about the NBA game back then I definitely thought that era of players were a lot weaker than what they would be in today's NBA so you really opened my eyes and change my way of thinking that was very insightful and was a very compelling argument that I could not argue with besides I still feel like the athletes today are a little bit more skilled a little bit more bigger a little quicker but that's the same with every generation and every era the kids are just getting bigger and faster and stronger.
great argument, Wilt's stats out of college would be an instant first pick. Did anyone see him make those half court shots? Wilt also had range too. His free throw shooting was weak because he was too strong and cos of some psychological barriers. Introduce a 4 point line and Wilt will probably be the most accurate shooter in the league for 4 point shots, on top of his ability to bully Shaq like players in the paint, block, rebound and pass. He runs like the flash too. I think the closest player to him in today's game is Giannis
Giannis is nowhere near as strong as Wilt was.
He only said closest...he wasn't saying Giannis is as good or as strong as Wilt. No pro basketball player was as strong as Wilt, nor was it implied in his comment about Giannis
Russell and chamberlain would be hall of fame players in any era. Both were freak athletes with passion. Both are on the short list of best ever
If today's NBA players are so skilled why can't they:
1. hit 2 point shots
2. shot free throws
3. play defense
4. set a pick/screen
5. know when to go over/under a pick/screen
6. not travel once they stop dribbing
7. not carry the ball while dribbling
8. throw a decent pass (chest, bounce, etc.)
9. shoot a floater, hook, jump hook, bank shot, etc.
10. block someone out
11. anticipate rebounds
12. or even post-up a player
Most of them can't even play a full season (load management) or not get hurt despite:
1. personal trainers
2. better medical technology
3. sports psychologist
4. physiologist
5. massage therapist
6. dietitians
7. first-class hotels
8. chartered fights
9. little to no practices during the season
10. having enough money to maintain all of this in their off-season
There are more and more foreign-born players in the NBA because players born in the
United States ARE NOT as skilled...
Right on, Big Stall!
I don’t see how people think he wouldn’t succeed today. We already say players succeed from pure strength and athleticism (Shaq)
The one thing that people mistake is that Wilt wasn't a good shooter from the outside. He was better than a lot of people think. There is a video clip of him throwing up hookshots from the 3 point range hitting all net. There was one coach that said he watched Wilt Chamberlain shoot from the half court and hit 20 out of 25 shots.
There have been exaggerations about him though having superhuman strength and being almost as strong as Arnold Schwarzenegger. Basketball overall is a finesse sport, especially back then in the 1960's and '70s. Still is overall, though players have gotten bigger and far more physical. Back then when Wilt was playing, there weren't any one big and physical to compete with him.
Nice. Got any vintage ABA or even any ABL games? Connie Hawkins especially.
Yeah! Dynastic Team and a legendary player, that sums it all up. You can be the best but if your team does not contribute then you fall short. Wilt was unlucky to play in a teams who do not understand his game and coaches who are jealous of his fame. Bulls and Phil Jackson did it for Jordan and the world over say he is the GOAT. If Wilt had teammates who contributed more to the overall scores and coaches who should utilized him properly the he would have won more titles. On the other side of coin, had Wilt taken athletics seriously he would set records in the 1950s through to 1970s. Hes got it all, height, speed and determination to excel in what he does would earn him titles. Appreciate your words about the great man.
Im a big fan of Kareem as a center but when the game changes the rules to contain how you play Wilt Chamberlain is by far the greatest ever.. No buts or whats about it
What’s the music?
Most of the finals between Wilt and Russell went to 6 or 7 games, despite the fact that Wilt often played with inferior teammates.
Part of the reason for that - not to denigrate anyone's efforts at the time - was suspect refereeing. John Vanak, a 60s ref, said that the refs wanted every series to go seven games because they were paid per game instead of a flat fee. They changed that policy, which Vanak said was "a good idea".
Russell's observation that each contest with Chamberlain was different because you couldn't play him the same way twice is about the highest praise a player can give to an opponent.
true and he played him different every time. Which speaks to his brilliance
@@davidmccarthy3327 Russell's words for sure from an interview along with Wilt from Ahmad Rashad from about 1996. Great interview with Ahmad Rashad and then Bob Costas also. Pace.
It speaks volumes to Wilt's versatility. Both you and Russell are correct imo.
This is the greatest acc to you not everyone kiddo
They do so to make themselves more popular
dam this vid deserves more views
Especially from these young cats wit their "latest is greatest" attitude.
Wilt's athleticism is insane.
It is almost super human no one comes close to his strength, speed, and jumping ability. He could have easily also played professional football too. Can you imagine him as a defensive end or tight end?
@@davejohnson9422 The stories are legendary Dave. I love the one when he was visiting the Knicks front office and he picked up the 600 pound dolly from the elevator and lifted it 4 inches onto the floor that the two deliverymen couldn't lift. I also loved his statement when someone commented to him about Michael Jordan. He said "when I played they changed the rules to stop me from scoring". He was right. He is easily the greatest individual physical talent that ever played. His biggest problem was he played in an era when the greatest winner in team sports history who was also an amazing and intelligent guy was playing and that guy had a better coach.
@@adiracquetball I had an older friend tell me once he was at a basketball camp near Hershey PA and Wilt squatted under a horse with his back against it's stomach and lifted it off the ground.
@@davejohnson9422 that's insane
not to mention he was the conference high jump champ in college
I appreciate this. There are so many lazy analysts out here who perpetuate these myths and tons more who simply regurgitate the nonsense they spew. It's refreshing to see someone do their own research on something.
What I like is people who say russell was the greatest ever.
Wilt outplayed russell head to head almost every time. So how can russell be better than Wilt? Because russell had better coaches and teammates?
THANK YOU!! These sports talk tv and radio analysts are the absolute worst. They perpetuate these false myths about previous eras in all these sports, and the mindless sports fans of today simply regurgitate the BS spewed at them every day on ESPN and FS1
Wilt was the greatest player in the game. Russell was great as well, but as individuals, Wilt was the better player. Either of them could play, and play very well, against any centers who have ever played. Both Wilt and Russell were outstanding athletes outside of basketball.
Spot on. Is mind blowing to me that UA-cam videos have more in depth intelligent analysis then million dollar networks .
@@sludge4125 You are right, Wilt did beat Russell on an individual basis most every time but, an NBA coach recently said "you play the game to win". Today, most fans base their opinions on who the GOAT is, on stats alone. But what it comes down to is, is who is the greatest winner...that will always be Russell. Wilt is still my personal favorite and always will be, but you have to give it to Russell because of his rings. Pace.
The old players if given the pay, the workout facilities, the diets, they would do just as well.
This is a tough issue for people to process, but I am going to try to help. First of all, I am 72 and have followed the NBA since the mid 50's. I agree that fixating on athleticism or size is a dead end. Many of the old timers maxed out athletic potential - Wilt for sure, Dr J, and MJ more recently. The world record for the mile has been frozen for 21 years. Here's an interesting observation, there were 7 American born white players in the 1968 NBA all star game, and tomorrow night's NBA all star game will have none. There hasn't been an American born white all star since Gordon Hayward 3 years ago. Why? Simply put, the game is international and while there are three white all stars currently, they are all from Eastern Europe. Some people will argue that Luka Doncic is the best 20 yr old player in NBA history, and it isn't preposterous to argue that he will be MVP this year. One has to conclude that European players are better trained than American players. Arguably, Giannis, Luka and Jokic are the most dominating players in their -particular niches - all European. A funny thing about human beings is that they experiment, innovate and accumulate knowledge and skills over time. Thus, even if players maxed out regarding size and athletic gifts a few generations ago, they have continued to evolve more sophisticated arrays of skills. If you watch a game from the 60's you will immediately notice that most players could barely dribble with their off hand. Now, a player who can't handle with both hands will have no chance of playing even in the G League. It is nonsense to attribute the virtuosic handling of Harden, Steph and Kyrie to rule changes allowing "carrying." Cousy dribbled behind his back all the time and was not called for palming even though one absolutely has to get ones hand under the ball to dribble behind the back (try it). 2 points 1) tens of millions of p[eople around the globe now play in places where the game was not played in Wilt's day. 2) New techniques have been perfected over time - Euro step, step back, cross over etc. So players today are more skilled, and, while players are not much bigger, bigger players are more skilled. It took a half century to go from Wilt to KD, even though Wilt is stronger, faster and more indestructible. No reasonable coach would trade KD for Wilt, anymore than you'd trade your Smart Phone for a dime to put in the pay phone.
@@philwilson609 carrying the ball tends to be a call of convenience these days. I remember the NBA didn't really bat an eye at crossovers too much because guys like Magic Johnson used it, but when Iverson damn near started killing everyone with it all of a sudden the league was ready to ban the move all together. People also forget when the NBA banned dunking, they felt like guys like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had way too much of an advantage in that category.
@@mjareacts2731 Dunking was never banned in the NBA but it was briefly banned in college during Kareem's time. Iverson is a case to illustrate my point - he elevated the crossover to weapon status that is now a mundane part of the game. The rules follow the game's innovations, not vice versa. You sometimes hear geezers argue that rule changes allow Kyrie and Steph to do things that West and Robertson couldn't get away with. I believe that this is nonsense, and that West and Robertson had not yet conceived of the crossover. Neither had much ability with their left hands, and would not have been able to cross over no matter what the rules allowed. Ambidextrous handles are a prerequisite for the crossover. This is no knock on the old timers. Nobody transcends the piecemeal progress of the human imagination. It takes time for innovations to accumulate. Tim Hardaway was another early master of the crossover. Once these guys figured out new techniques, the rules would never impede progress.
They were the elite of THEIR time.
The best available players at the highest level.
It wasn't like there was a Jordan or Lebron
hiding in a cave in 1966 avoiding the NBA Draft.
Or that the gene pool somehow
improved in the last 40 years.
So, yeah, I think having the advantages
the players today have in accumulation of techniques,
conditioning, nutrition, and changes in gameplay
would update their game and enable them to pace the players of today.
@@philwilson609 you may not have seen those things in the NBA during those days, but crossovers and many other ball maneuvers were definitely happening within the inner city street ball scene.
Do people see how swole Russell and Wilt was in the 60's? Imagine how they would look now or 90's? Crazy.
We need more-a lot more--intelligent and informative--videos like this and less partisan b.s.
Amen to that. People that think logically like the gentleman who made this video are few and far between unfortunately
PREACH!! People like Michael Rapaport are complete dumbasses. Enduring those 13 seconds at the start of this video were 13 too many. He regularly talks out of his . . . I can’t pick which of Miss Raffertys euphemisms to use . . . prune shoot, mud gun, stainer, tooter, log maker, gassy hole, tush, choco, stink rocket, keister, scuzzy, gravy funnel, cheese trumpet, bean burrito.
I am 68 years old watched them play on ABC Sunday mornings .......thats when I saw Wilt ....GOAT
If I’m being honest, I was probably ready to disagree with your argument before I even hit play on the video, but you did a great job at really making a solid case, and you changed my mind. That was well put together, and worth the watch
And don't forget the production
m.ua-cam.com/video/zMiRjpmP2KU/v-deo.html
Chamberlain and Russell would still dominate today.
They would both be great today, for sure. Wilt would be unstoppable given there's no hand checking. He scored at will when the defense could maul him.
Bill Russell at 6’9 and 220 pounds wouldn’t do shit lol
Wouldn’t even been consider a center or a power forward...players are faster and more athletic and weight more than these 1960s players
Saldana you don't know anything
Chris Warrick I’ve seen enough videos of the 1960s basketball players too come too a conclusion that, the 1960s is lame 😂😂😂
Of they would, there hasn't been a great center in years. Probably the main reason that the position has become more or less obsolete.
This is the best basketball video I’ve ever watched. This is severely needed. Wilt, not MJ, is the 🐐
Either Wilt or Bill. Not MJ. Want dominance? Wilt. Want a winner at all times? Bill
Yep
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When your number six man is in the Hall of Frame, That's a great team and that was Boston. If Wilt Played for the Celtics, He would have won at the least Ten Championships. He is the greatest Big men in NBA history. Like at all the rule changes that were made because of him.
Wilt HIMSELF has stated he would not have won as many championships as Bill, had Wilt been on the Celtics instead of Bill.
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And do pay attention to when Wilt explains WHY he would not have been as effective as Bill.
Not saying Wilt was not an all time great - but he was NOT as good a TEAM player as Bill in a TEAM sport, 'til VERY late in Wilt's career.
i saw Wilt play in Boston Garden in '60-61. he scored 47 and the Warriors won the game. Wilt was drilling 15-17 foot fadeaway bank shots from the left side. there was no doubt who was the best player on the court.
For all the people out there who know who Wilt Chamberlain is, I would guess less than 5% know he had one of the deadliest fadeaways ever. People think he was a dunk or a finger roll but that couldn't be further from the truth
@@chrisstoecker7476 indeed 60 percent of his shots were fadeaways. maybe even a hair over that. not to mentoin Tommy heineson statd he once saw wilt make 20 out of 25 baskets from half court in practice. and also a video showing wilt making 4 straight baskets from the corner of the court on a 5 dollar bet. he woul dhave been easily been able to make three pointers.
Anyone disregarding Chamberlain and Russell is a fool... Two of the all time greats! Heck, Wilt was the most physically gifted athlete to ever pick up a basketball. FACTS. Great Post, Man!
Wilt Chamberlain: Aye I'm feeling a little better after my Injury. Can I go back in?
Coach: Nah, the team is obviously doing better without you.
*Loses*
Ironically, some 20 years later when Van BredaKolff passed away, his obituary read: "He benched Wilt".
He was fired after that series. As a Laker owner or GM, I would have asked coach what was he smoking. Not a good coaching move at all.
You say Willis read is 6’9.5 but the sheet you show IN THE VIDEO says he’s 6’8
There’s 6 centers on the list in the video that are 6’5 to 6’8 and 6/7 more guys who’s heights aren’t listed at all. He played against lesser competition. What a weird argument to make in this video. He faced less talent, shorter players, etc. your own homework shows it in the video. He’s still an all time great but the data you show contradicts what you use it to argue.
@@MaxBSolo The fuck are you talking about?
Wilt is definitely a player who had that natural athleticism where he would've been able to adapt to ANY era of bball and dominate.
And it was good to finally hear somebody bring up the fact about how DIFFERENT the league was back then vs. today or even the 90's/00's. EVERYBODY thinks or says "you can send an average player from today" back in time and they'd dominate...no. No they would not. It was a different game. You did a good enough example in the vid, I don't need to list it all again.
because there are 30 teams today verse 8-12 in Wilt's era the talent pool is diluted. I like the point about playing against only the absolute BEST players every night. The best players of today are playing against guys of which about 70% or so would not be good enough to make a roster if there were only 8 teams . Can you imagine if there had been an ESPN when Wilt was getting 50 a night? or 60 or 70 he would be hailed as a god. This is the primary reason I believe that people say Michael is the undisputed greatest ever. because when he played he was the face of the league. He was on the highlight reel every night. The public was being "brainwashed" to believe nobody could ever be as good as Mike He was awarded many "shadow" fouls and advantages. No disrespect to MJ but there is no "undisputed" GOAT. I think you can make a legitimate case for 8 or 10 of which Jordan is one. But, to quote hall of HOF Rick Barry, "to say that Michael Jordan is a better basketball player than Wilt Chamberlain is ludicrous"
@@jamesbridgewater9195 You make so many great points, concerning eras, number of teams, players, the media, etc. It is also unimaginable how today's social media would treat Wilt, Russell, Jordan and many other all - time greats of the past. Pace.
Wilt averaged 18 PPG for his finals career how can he be top 10 when he barley won 2 titles and had just as many all star selections from his teammates with 26 total while playing with wilt,Russ had 28 when wilt left the 76ers in 1968 they went from 62 wins to 55 wins despite not getting back much for wilt the Celtics missed the playoffs after Russ retired
16-2 in elimination games
10-0 in game 7s
@@jamesbridgewater9195 except for the fact that Wilt didnt show up when it mattered most... even tho scoring was down during MJs era compared to Wilts MJ produced twice as many 50+pt playoff performances and more than twice as many 40+pt playoff performances as Wilt produced, and the fact that Wilt averaged 8fewer PPG in the playoffs than Wilt averaged during the reg season while MJ averaged significantly more PPG in playoffs than he averaged in reg season also proves that Wilt was likely the anticlutch.
@@dp233332 wilt chamberlain stopped shooting as much to prove he could do other things you could argue that but I can tell exactly what yr he started shooting less. It was 66-67 look it up. He stopped shooting on purpose.
2:18 THANK YOU for breaking that myth down! My friends never give Wilt credit for saying he played against short buls
Agreed, same here.
Bottom line respect history... great video, i love history's greats in all sports, and arguments belittling the accomplishments of the past are so annoying and often disrespectful... opinions that today is better than yesterday are fine (and fun very debatable) BUT projecting that onto individual accomplishments is too far... The legends in all sports are legends for a reason they dominated their time even if you are of the opinion they would struggle today that doesnt make what they accomplished in their times any less special
Benjamin Christiansen 100% agree
Wilt was AMAZING. Doesn't get enough love in the "greatest players of all time" discussion.
For all you guys knocking the 50s and 60s saying they played against plumbers and such remember Jordan was a shoe salesman 😁
IS, not just WAS.
9-)
Excellent video. I saw West and Robertson play in the mid-60's and believe me they could play today. Not just play, but excel. Great is great.
Wilt, Thurmond and Russell would kick ass now.
umm nope
What do you mean no have you seen how fricken ripped Nate Thurmound is hes 6,11, Kareem is 7,2, Wilts 7,2 athletic as hell without the modern training these athletes have today they were way ahead of their time. @polpol1005
Wilt is the undisputed Greatest Of All Time. I really enjoyed your video, but you left out Hall Of Fame Centers Wes Unseld, Jerry Lucas, Elvin Hayes, that Wilt competed against. And, he was a national triple jump champion and a pro volleyball champion after his career!
Wilt is in the Volleyball Hall of Fame more as a contributor (he helped start one Pro Volleyball league and was a team OWNER when he played for that team) than as a player.
The book on him was "devastating spike, fair-to-good but not outstanding otherwise".
His bench PR was 500lbs when he was in his 40s, while filming Conan the destroyer with Arnold. Arnold said he “couldn’t keep up with wilt”. Wilt chamberlain had a sub 11 second 100 yard dash, teammates of wilt have said he used to pick up pennies off of the top of the backboard. I’m convinced he’s the greatest athlete ever. Period. Doctors have also stated that there is no evidence he ever used steroids. Blows my mind
I genuinely don't believe how amazing he is, and how quick he is for someone so tall. He's a freak, screw giannis, he's the real freak.
@Ryder it takes 10 seconds to look it up dude😂literally look up wilt 500 pound press. Bleacher Report did an article about it
@@ModernScop3z he never lifted 500 lbs
@@rishbahpandey8697 Arnold has stated "465" about Wilt during Conan the Destroyer, on video of an interview.
That "500" figure WILT stated when he was promoting his biography.
It it was an exaggeration, it was a SMALL one - unlike a few of his others he claimed during that book promotion.
Wilt said he slept with 20,000 women ...it must be true.
Wilt outplayed a young kaj in 71 and 72 playoffs....the guy was a 20th century legend, RIP to the real goat....of course I have to mention Russell too, Celtic fan
Leo Derosia No he didn’t! Kareem scored a steady 30 pts plus against Wilt in those years
@@JMC786 Wilt held kaj to 42 pct shooting in last 4 games of 72 playoffs which basically decided the nba championship and in 1971 playoffs their stats were basically even and in both series old Wilt outrebounded Kareem and held him way under his regular season shooting pct. You can see the stats on pro basketball reference ...Kareem was 13 for 33 in decisive gm 6 of 1972 wcf. Young Wilt would've shredded a old Kareem....I saw all their head to head stats and they were fairly even except that kaj shot around 3 times as much
As great as Kareem was Old Man Wilt way more than held his own and it's certainly no reach to say Wilt at least held him in check if not downright was the reason the Lakers beat the Bucks. I couldn't imagine what 25 year old Wilt would do to a 25 year old Kareem
@@JMC786very old wilt with knee surgery outscore jabber in the playoffs
WILT CHAMBERLAIN'S PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'11 OR TALLER FROM 1960-1972
Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF
Dennis Awtrey: 6'11"
Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF
Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0"
Nate Bowmen: 6'11"
Mel Counts: 7'0"
Walter Dukes: 7'0"
Jim Eakins: 6'11"
Ray Felix: 6'11"
Hank Finkel: 7'0"
Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
Swede Halbrook: 7'3"
Reggie Harding: 7'0"
Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF
Jim McDaniels: 6'11"
Otto Moore: 6'11"
Dave Newmark: 7'0"
Rich Niemann: 7'0"
Billy Paultz: 6'11"
Craig Raymond: 6'11"
Elmore Smith: 7'0"
Chuck Share: 6'11"
Ronald Taylor: 7'1"
Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF
Walt Wesley: 6'11"
Did you notice that the better ones on your list came in the mid to late 60s when wilt wasnt as dominating. Do you think that is a coincidence?
@@daneosborn3476 DID YOU KNOW THAT WILT TOOK LESS SHOTS FOR THE BETTER OF HIS TEAM IN THE MID 60'S DID YOU THINK THAT WAS A COINCIDENCE.....HEY ALSO DID YOU KNOW THE OTHER HALF OF WILTS CAREER HE STILL AVERAGED 26PPG 21RPG TAKING A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK....SIR WAS THAT A COINCIDENCE.....SO EVEN PULLING BACK FROM BEING A LESS DOMINANT SCORER HES STILL WAS VERY DOMINANT.
@@Solanegore i know if you think he averaged 26 the 2nd half that your in la la land
@@daneosborn3476 LOL LIAR.....YOU CANT NAME ANY CENTER TODAY THATS WOULD COMPETE WITH HIM....NO EVIDENCE WHATS SO EVER WHOS GONE GAURD HIM TODAY.....? 🤔
@@Solanegore who you calling liar dumbass? Educate yourself dumbass its simple math that proved you wrong dumbfuck
9 points over 4 games something so small that has such a big affect in nba history 🤯
Skip’s whole mentality stems from it. He hates how passive wilt was late in games but loves mj and bird’s gtfo of the way mentality that won them chips
@@majormarketing6552 the irony is that wilt scored 5 in a row to tie up up the 1962 series (and hit the clutch freethrow) and scored 10 in a row to make it a 1 point game in 65 (or 64)... then he makes bill russell choke the inbounds pass by pressuring him... and then havlicek steals the ball.... in 1969 finals wilt went at russell as soon as bill picked up his 5th foul and played aggressive defense even though he had five fouls himself... but then he got hurt and his coach didnt sub him back in. in my opinion, the only time wilt was actually passive was in 1970 game 7, but everyone forgets how wilt was far from his best that year and everyone ESPECIALLY forgets how Walt Frazier absolutely destroyed Jerry West with 36 points on 70% shooting with COUNTLESS steals. Wilt still had a ton of blocks that game 7 and Knicks had to win by shooting from outside... and they were hot the whole game.
@Alvin Joe 50% because Wilt didn't try to get deep post position and 50% because Willis kept making Wilt post up a bit further out than usual.
@Alvin Joe I'm not sure if the injury Willis had actually hampered his ability to push people out of the paint.
averaged 18 PPG for his finals career how can he be top 10 when he barley won 2 titles and had just as many all star selections from his teammates with 26 total while playing with wilt,Russ had 28 when wilt left the 76ers in 1968 they went from 62 wins to 55 wins despite not getting back much for wilt the Celtics missed the playoffs after Russ retired
16-2 in elimination games
10-0 in game 7s
Russell won 5 mvps ( 3 straight ) and Celtics missed the playoffs 2 years straight after Russ retired despite not losing anyone other Sam Jones and he was replaced by HOF jojo white
The "Short White Guys" argument is so bias and racist. There were lots of talented White Americans in 1960's NBA...
Jerry West - 6'3
John Havlicek - 6'5
Tom Heinsohn - 6'7
Bill Sharman - 6'1
Don Nelson - 6'6
Bob Cousy - 6'1
Frank Ramsey - 6'5
Larry Siegfried - 6'3
Rudy LaRusso - 6'7
Bob Pettit - 6'9
Rick Barry - 6'7
Jerry Lucas - 6'8
Dave DeBusschere - 6'8
Billy Cunningham - 6'6
Dolph Schayes - 6'8
Bailey Howell - 6'7
Jack Twyman - 6'6
Paul Arizin - 6'4
Cliff Hagan - 6'4
Clyde Lovelette - 6'9
Gail Goodrich - 6'1
Tom Gola - 6'6
Bill Bradley - 6'5
That's just a short list. There were just no White players (Centers especially) 6'10+ who stood out and on off equal caliber to Wilt Chamberlian, Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed and Wes Unseld. It wasn't until the 1970's and 1980's when tall and talented (6'6+) white guys like Bill Walton, Dave Cowens, Dan Issel, Rudy Tomjanovich, Billy Paultz, Mark Eaton, Alvan Adams, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Jack Sikma, Bill Laimbeer, Jeff Ruland, Kiki Vandweghe, Kelly Tripucka, Mike Gminski, Bobby Jones, Tom Chambers, Chris Mullin, Dan Majerle, Craig Ehlo, etc... showed up.
The Argument that many Black players weren't given a fair chance in the 1960's, may also apply in reverse (current NBA) that many more White players aren't given a fair chance. Most White NBA players today come from Europe, with the White American player getting fewer and fewer. Even though there are still lots of White Americans excelling in College Basketball. Many of them just go undrafted or get benched for very obvious reasons.
That’s why I use the short white guy comparison. There wasn’t any GOOD centers. They were all black and elite like the guys mentioned. And this was also a time where if you were tall and athletic it was an easy 20 20 night. Many of those elite centers averaged about 20 points and 15 rebounds. All of the good white guys were guards/forwards so they weren’t guarding Wilt. There was only 2 dominant centers in Russell and Wilt and even then neither could really stop each other. So I believe that’s why many would use the small white guy argument. Because the tall ones weren’t good at all and the good white guys were the guards.
very true assesment
European white players are more skilled than American white players.
Also I believe that American White men are more interested in analyzing the sport, then playing the sport. More athletic American white men are playing Football, Baseball and hockey then basketball, because of lack of interest in playing basketball over the decades.
What does being white have to do with anything???
Yeah but tbh, the players are pretty terrible compared to players of today. They dribble like amateurs, brick shots constantly, miss easy layups, and the majority of them couldn't even dunk. They're no where near as athletic as the players today.
Love the video. Wilt deserves more respect. I just subscribed fam💯🔔
Chamberlain is the best player i have ever seen. I started to watch around 1966. The best leader, and defensive player was Russell.....The best team was the Celtics who won 11 out of 13 years, and 8 in a row!
So old
Wilt was a better defender than Russell. Wilt is also the best shot blocker of all time.
@@allesineen1793 so foolishly young! LOL
@ihategooglespooks I agree!
@ihategooglespooks Okay, but who was the best pound per pound player, and also who was the best pound per pound athlete, in NBA history? Stockton, Iverson, Bogues... ? There are many others. It's always amazing when a short guy becomes a great player.
This video should have way more views! Very well made!
The whiny crybaby children would not dare listen to truth, it is beyond their intellect level.
The most underrated era in basketball history.
12:13 look how he handle the ball u know he trash
@Iskalawag when u realize Larry Bird was a white guy. Also whats wrong with being white u little racist
I've been watching professional basketball live since the 50s and saw Wilt play numerous times in person at the Garden in the 60s. He was an absolutely awesome athlete and would be the best center in the league today. I saw him literally lift Willis Reed off the floor and dunk the ball. It is hard to actually describe, but Wilt was holding the ball down low near the basket. Willis had his arm extended over one of Wilt's arms, and Wilt lifted the ball (and Willis) up and dunked it. I can still see it!
Oh my god that's marvelous. I'm way too young to have seen it all live but just from the film we have I've seen endless displays of athleticism that are hard to wrap your head around, e.g. Wilt flying up to catch a shot at the highest point in its arc right up around the top of the backboard, then running the length of the court as fast as an all-star point guard for a transition play. Some of it looks like a tall tale come to life.
But the most frustrating thing is that there are way more stories from fellas your age and they all sound really wild like him picking people up, etc. None of us will ever understand what a prime Wilt could do because we have so little that we can watch and most of it is a much older Wilt who was still doing things so picturesque you could just sit down and paint it.
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Ive heard this story before from players, but never from a spectator. Wow! What a memory to have.
Im a big Wilt fan since I was a kid and used to watch him play . I never knew he could bench over 400 lbs .and I never knew he lad the NBA in assists .Just amazing thank you
Love wilt too got a couple of his books 📚
When you talk about centers from back then you can not leave out Wes Unseld. Plus he was only 6 foot 8 and battled with the best.
8:30 I love how you froze the shot to show how wilt would literally extend and at the peak his hand is almost at the top of the back board. It's literally like trying to shoot the ball over a skyscraper
yes. and if anyone takes time to notice. wilt was almost touching the top of the backarod, or about even with it. maybe 1 inche lower. that is 41 inches based on his reach. but A. he was on chuck tayloers and B. he literally was jumping from standing position. no running start. when they meausre a player's vertical, they measure it when they run at full speed and and leap, you are going to get several more inches on that
Many young hockey fans proclaim that Wayne Gretzky couldn't play in today's NHL. Think about how absurd that is. So, same thing holds true with young NBA fans. One day, NBA fans will tell us that Larry Bird couldn't play in their future Era. Oh, the ignorance of young people.
If Wilt played now, with no hand checking, he would average 40 points and 20 rebounds for the season. Probably average 10 blocks a game too. How great would he have been with modern training and nutrition, even more than he was, which is a bit scary. He was 7'1" and he could run faster than Jim Brown. Think about that for a moment.
@harold mccoy maybe quicker off the line, but the story I heard is they raced , Mr Brown lost, they raced again and got the same result
People tend to ignore, forget or just don't know the fact there was no illegal defense/defensive 3 seconds in his day so you could double and triple team guys before they even caught the ball. Imagine him being played straight up, ya have to wait for him to catch the ball to send the double team and now you have one of the great passing big men either make his move before the double team gets there or he can pass out to these shooters spread out all over the place nowadays
Tobin Gallawa if Wilt played today he will not dominate like he did u know why cause player today suck
Imagine those players back then on the modern weight training and performance supplements players are all jacked up on today
those players were in outstanding condition...the supposed new age weight training and diet is highly overrated and exaggerated..i don't see how its possible to be in better condition than Russel, West, Chamberlain, Baylor, Havlicek...Wilt and Russel averaged 48 & 44 minutes per game respectively. Russel averaged 19 rebounds per 36 min. of play..I don't see that kind of stamina anymore..Havileck was a non stop worling durbish all over the court..Jumping Joe Caldwell, Bill Bridges, Jumping Johnny Green, Gus Johnson, Tommy Hawkins, Rick Barry, Zelmo Beaty were in superb conditions..Actually the NBA has seriously devolved since the 60s-70s..Plus there is no more class..........Willie
Allen Iverson was “extremely athletic” ..... I did enjoy the video , thanks.
Let’s keep it real. Wilt wouldn’t need today’s training and conditioning to dominate. Lol!
Wilt is The GOAT
His fadeaway was effective even at 17ft.
He was a center and did not need alot of range. But he had the range of a PF when he needed it.
You’re very articulate and did a good job debunking these myths. You did your homework. Youngsters can say what they will about him, but no athlete ever dominated his individual sport the way Wilt Chamberlain did. And contrary to some who dismiss his achievements to his height, he was, in fact, an extraordinary athlete as well. I was glad to see you took the time to include this in the video.
sure because he played in different era
Basketball is not an "individual" sport - which is why I can count Wilt as probably the best individual player of it but NOT the GREATEST of all time or even in the Top 5 GOAT candidates.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 I addressed his teamwork in another comment. Still, you have a right to your opinion.
You lost me when you said Iverson wasn't particularly athletic. He was Gatorade NPOY in two sports as a Junior. He's the best athlete ever out of Virginia.
Just imagine if Wilt (51%) or even Shaq (52%) made 70-75% of their free throws (ala Olajuwan, Abdul-Jabbar, Robinson or Ewing)... the GOAT conversation would be slightly different I'm thinking!! Great video BTW
Thank you for a great video.
It’s very clear that Wilt is the GOAT individual player and that Bill Russel’s Celtic’s is the GOAT of NBA teams.
Unfortunately most people will have the bias towards the players they grew up with watching which will stop them from taking an objective look at the facts that are totally out there.
Another problem to get the truth universally accepted is that there isn’t that much high quality footage out there to get the people excited for Wilt and his amazing accomplishments.
Great video! But there was another aspect of Wilt’s career that should be addressed - his minutes played per game. There were seasons when he got almost no in-game rest time. That is completely unheard of in today’s game. He had one season when he played every second of every game, except for about eight minutes - for the entire season. As great an athlete as he was in terms of condition and stamina, no one could play those kinds of minutes during an 82-game regular season and still have something in the tank for an effective post-season run. I think those insane minutes played contributed to the fact that he only won two championships. I would gladly take Wilt as the starting center on my all-time NBA starting five.
That's an excellent point, Wilt himself even said in his words after his retirement quote "Looking back in retrospect I played over 48 minutes a game for a whole season, and averaged almost 46 minutes a game for a career, Jesus what were they doing to me? I couldn't have gotten a little rest?" and quote. People try saying he only played 14 seasons, and not 19 or 20 seasons like some of the other greats, but those other greats like Shaq and Kareem, were not playing 46 minutes a game for a whole career lol. I just decided to crunch the numbers for the heck of it today, and I figured out that Shaq who played 19 seasons in the NBA, (5 more seasons than Wilt) played a grand total of 41,882 minutes for his entire 19 year career...Wilt on the other hand who played 5 less seasons than Shaq....played a whopping 47,861 minutes in his 14 year career......Wilt played almost 6,000 more minutes than Shaq for his career...in 5 less years...that's insane.
Wilt was awesome! I once saw him catch a ball in the high post with one hand and then throw a perfect pass to his teammate. Another time he blocked a shot sending it down court to a streaking Gale Goodrich for an easy layup. He is so underrated. When he played there were great centers on nearly ever team. You forgot to mention Wes Unseld who was undersized but unbelievably talented. The centers of today couldn’t hold a candle to Wilt.
True. Brother Robert
Wilt wasn't as good or consistent at that "block to a teammate" trick as Bill Russell, but does seem to have worked on it after losing so often to Bill's Celtics - among other TEAM related skills he got much much better at in his time on the Lakers and PARTICULARLY in his time with Bill Sharman as coach (though Alex Hannum had significant input when Wilt played under Alex on the 76ers).
1:56 - this photo is so crisp and beautiful.
I believe Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT. I’ve always believed this. I think Jordan is amazing but if you had to choose one player for your team. You would have to choose Wilt even over Jordan.
I agree...MJ is prolly the best one on one player the game has ever seen. He was just so fast & coodinated. Wilt is the GOAT tho..no one comes close to what Wilt did in his career!
I heard Wilt Ran a 4:4 Forty & Plenty Of people confirmed Wilt could Bench 500 LBS & even Arnold as Mr. Universe or w/e , said that Wilt destroyed him in the Gym n was the strongest person in the Gym he had ever seen, not to mention his HOPS
Vigus DNA Arnold Never said he destroyed him lmao...I read the article and Arnold said his shoulder press was good...don’t spread fake news 😂😂😂
60's bball is often disrespected. Unfortunately 2+ of your 5 arguments don't hold enough water to push the typical fan over into studying more of it. You validate their bias. You can't have an argument about whom Wilt goes up against (smaller players) and then use PG's and undersized G's as MVP examples. They are not guarding Centers. Gotta know the game better. You can't ignore context when it's convenient and then offer it when it benefits your argument (e.g. the exact details of why Wilt lost so many big games/series). You throw out the Jordan/Lebron argument without context and then immediately use context to justify Wilt losing. 2.5 of your points were probably spot on. Not enough to sway a fan or make them study more of the old school game. Gotta do better. Lastly, Wilt did not have the footwork of 90's bigs and forward. It is because of him that they were better. They had a blueprint. They are version 2.0, 3.0, etc. It's kinda how this process works. Even without era comparisons that alone means they are better. When you improve upon something you see, well. . . . . it's an improvement. Gotta do better.
Ridiculous analysis.
@@bigdaddy4959 Okay. Now maybe elaborate?
I saw em all play. Wilt had way better footwork and was faster than any basketball player to ever play the game.9.6 for 100 yards 4.4 for 40 yards,not one NBA player has ever been able to run that fast..I suggest you look up the Wilt Chamberlain archive on you tube and see what you missed. THE GOAT
To me Walt's most amazing stat is that he never fouled out his whole career! Unbelievable!
I think the one above all could be the 48.5 minutes per game for a whole season
Yeah and by all accounts it really screwed his team a lot because he was so obsessed with the record that he’d give up easy baskets in key late situations to keep it going. His big assist season was similar in that he got way too obsessed with the numbers, to the point that it was easily the most important thing to him.
Thanksgiving McDaniels ok
@@thanksgivingmcdaniels3335 And that's why when he attempted team basketball rather than going for more 50 point seasons, he finally won a couple rings.
And he had sex with uncountable amounts of women but has no children. Incredible
A sixth argument was the amount of intentional rough contact in the game back then. Most teams had "enforcers", whose job was to play few minutes, but use them primarily to lay hard fouls on the opponent's best players. Those guys might foul out in 5-10 minutes of court time and be cheered for their contributions. Wilt was one of the most obvious targets - especially since he sucked at free throws.
Jim Loscutoff (spelling?) was the Celtics physical player.
Yes. As a St. Louis Hawks fan, I remember him racking up fouls on our stars, while Charlie Share was trying to do the same to theirs. Even in that aspect of the game, the Celtics had better personnel. @MichaelGibbons-uk2mc
12:22 You can see a dude catching the ball and just running away xD
Thanks for the good info man!
😆 ion blame em’ . I’d sell that ball for a fortune 🔮
@@Reggie2kj that man would go on to invent ebay so he could sell that ball
Dude got one of the best memorabilia pieces all time.... 😂😂😂
He also got the wind knocked out of him running off the court. Dude got folded in half
Wilt Chamberlain would be a BEAST today or in any era.... He was an extraordinary athlete.
7:40 Wilt made a bet with his teammates he could sink 4 threes with a sky hook. He did.
There were no 3s back then, but yeah, he was awesome.
Liar, no 3 point line existed back then. Dumb ass
@@shaneburton2455 the clip is actually in this video but the guy's voice is over it. Wilt shoots from the edge of out of bounds 3 times then his team mate bets him 5 bucks he cant do it. Wilt says he made the last three, what gonna change? His team mate says he's talking about this attempt. Wilt proceeds to sky hook a 4th shot from 3 distance, thus winning the bet and shooting 4 threes in a row with a hook shot. Thank you and have a good day :)
@@shaneburton2455 there is a video
@@shaneburton2455 True the NBA didn't have a 3 point line back then, but the concept was known since some minor leagues as well as the ABA ad one during the 60s.
“It’s best not to compare eras, as a fan it’s natural that we do it though.” Well put.
It really IS impossible to honestly know how different players would compete in other eras. Far too many factors to consider, including did they travel through time, or are we assuming they were born in that new era.
BTW - watching WC playing vball (11:50)was AWESOME! 🥰🥰🥰
(as was watching the T&F clips, my 2nd love)
I really appreciate this. Good job. Cogent analysis. For me, it's very important to take in all the facts and come to an eductated opinion -- which is what you have done here.
Wilt, in my educated opinion is underappeciated and almost forgotten. But, in my estimation either him or Larry Bird is the GOAT. Wilt was sent from the heavens. He lost a ton by the narrowest of margins against a HOF stacked Celtics team. As Wilt stated, "I wasn't just competing against Russell, I was competing against the Celtics team -- all five." Russell had it relatively easy. All he had to do is focus on Wilt... Play some defense... Get some boards... Wilt had to do everything for crying out loud! Score! Rebound! Defense! Assist! What's amazing is how close Wilt made it. He should be praised, not criticized. Love and respect for Russell, but Wilt is head and shoulders better. Not even close.
Not even Larry Bird would make that claim. He called MJ "God disguised as Michael Jordan" after he dropped 63 on them in the playoffs.
There are only 3 true GOAT candidates. Bird isn't one of them.
@@robjames4160 Bird IS a legitimate GOAT candidate - considering he was a BETTER BY FAR rebounder and a BETTER assists and TEAM player than MJ.
MJ was more athletic and spectacular, but nowhere near as good as a TEAM player and leader as Larry Legend - which is why MJ made that widely-known "I'm glad you're retiring" message to Bird along with some of the OTHER comments in it.
When Bird retired, he was well within the Top 50 all time for Points Per Game, Assists Per Game, and Rebounds Per Game - and NOBODY ELSE WAS EVEN CLOSE IN ALL 3.
His rebounding rank has slipped a little in the 30 years since - but he's STILL Top 55 there, and easily still Top 50 in the other 3 - AND NOBODY ELSE IS EVEN CLOSE ON ALL 3.
Hands down most "all around" player to ever play the game.
Also note that Basketball is a TEAM sport - and that while MJ put up that 63, HIS TEAM LOST THAT GAME because the Celtics were a better team that PLAYED AS A TEAM.
Jordan was also NOT playing tough defense that game.
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29067991/a-closer-look-michael-jordan-63-point-playoff-game for a more in depth analysis of why that "63" game was somewhat overrated (still great, but not AS great as the 63 indicates).
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Sorry, but no. Larry Bird is absolutely a Rushmore candidate, but he's really not a GOAT candidate by any stretch of the imagination. There are SEVERAL players ahead of him in that conversation, but if you want to compare him and MJ in regards to stats and team-play, you'll need to start by having a look at the positions they played and the teams they played for. Larry was a small/power forward. He's SUPPOSED to get rebounds. MJ was a shooting guard - his function is in the name. It's not an apt comparison to view two completely different positions from the same perspective. Go and look at where MJ ranks relative to other shooting guards in those same statistics. When held up to Larry's ranks among other small/power forwards, it's not exactly close. MJ also averaged 8.0 APG one season - higher than any of Larry's seasons. When moved to the point guard position, he put up 30-point triple doubles with assist numbers that dwarfed Larry's best games by a significant margin. Larry played with 3 or sometimes 4 other HOFers, and was the leading member of one of the greatest teams of all time. MJ at most had 2 other HOFers, was the leading member of the GREATEST team of all time (with the arguable exception of Bill's Celtics), and controlled the league for a solid decade. He became the defacto leader of an Olympic team with both Larry AND Magic on it, and lead his team to 6 titles. You don't do that without being an all-time great team leader. MJ accomplished more as both an individual AND as a team leader than Larry Bird did.
Also, note - of COURSE the Celtics were a better team that played as a team. The Bulls team that MJ was on when he dropped that playoff-record 63 points on them only had a player crack the top 10 of twelve statistical categories in the NBA that season. On the other hand, those Celtics were an ALL-TIME great team, had a player in the top 10 of THIRTY-NINE separate statistical categories (and 14 instances where 2 or more players appeared in the top 10), as welle as a starting lineup almost entirely comprised of HOFers, and the fact remains that MJ very nearly almost SINGLE-HANDEDLY beat them. So while the game may be "overrated" for whatever reason, it is still the 7th-greatest playoff game ever played by any player, and up until last year, was 5th. Larry Legend's greatest playoff performance comes in at number... 77. MJ has 9 better playoff performances, and 11 in the top 100 to Larry's lone entry.
Regardless of how you want to slice it, MJ's teams ended up winning more then Bird's, when MJ and Bird were on the same floor, MJ was a dominant force unlike anything Bird had seen (remember, "GOD in disguise"), and when MJ and Bird were on the same team, it was MJ's team, by Bird and Magic's own admission. Sounds like a pretty strong leader to me... and sure, basketball is a team game, but only one player can score at a time. MJ did that better than anyone in modern history, including Larry. Don't get me wrong - Larry is an all-time great, but assists and rebounds are incidental. Only points count when it comes to winning championships, and it doesn't matter who scores them.
@@robjames4160 Theres' no question that Jordan's teams were weaker - but still, SWEPT IN THE PLAYOFFS repeatedly by the Bird-era Celtics, and didn't win a playoffs 'til a rule change started to limit the "abuse" defensive players were allowed to dish out isn't all that good a sign.
Jordan AVERAGED significantly fewer APG than Bird for their careers - and those 2 seasons playing with the Wizards did NOT drag that average down noticeably. I do grant his peak was higher - but guards are SUPPOSED to have a lot of assists (even SHOOTING guards to a degree), forwards are NOT.
I grant that forwards are supposed to average more rebounds - but Larry does NOT average low for that position, there are more centers ahead of him on the "career RPG" list than there are forwards.
MJ did not become the leader of the Dream Team - though that was at least in part due to his respect for "the giants that came before him" he was playing on.
Defacto, more so - but he specifically PASSED on being the team captain in favor of Bird + Magic as co-captains.
Not saying he couldn't have had the position had he wanted it though, MJ WAS one of the three "untouchable" choices for that team, along with Larry and Magic.
What Bird (and to a lesser degree Magic, eventually) conceded was that MJ was the "new sheriff" in town", not the team leader, for the LEAGUE.
MJ did NOT "almost single-handedly beat" the Celtics in that series - he kept the Bulls very very close in ONE GAME, but they lost THE SERIES 0-3.
MJ's performance in that game WAS inpressive - but look at his DEFENSE in that game, it was badly lacking and that's PART of the reason they got SWEPT in that series - and his WEAK defense even in that 63 point game allowed the Celtics a LOT of "unguarded wide open" points to help counter HIS scoring.
GREAT playoff performances happen on BOTH ends of the court, not just on offence.
Jordan's teams with MJ and Larry on the teams went 11-17. That is NOT "winning more than Bird's", that's LOSING more - and most of the wins were during the Regular Season when it COUNTED for less. Jordan's Bulls NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME - *ZERO* - against Bird's Celtics.
There is no question that MJ could score - only Wilt was BETTER at that - but there IS more to the game than scoring.
Rebounds are NOT minor, as the Celtics showed for many decades they often could lead to easy fast-break points, and otherwise to MORE scoring chances when you outrebound the other team.
Assists DIRECTLY lead to points scored - BY DEFINITION. Again, not minor.
DEFENSE is important to winnning championships - or Wilt would have at least *5 more rings* - keep in mind in his highest-SCORING seasons, HE DID NOT WIN ANY RINGS AT ALL. Also look into why Don Nelson has NO rings as a coach, despite coaching teams that often LED THE LEAGUE IN SCORING (they played pretty close to ZERO defense under "Nellyball" and were commonly OUTSCORED by teams that didn't usually score so high).
www.landofbasketball.com/statistics/highest_scoring_teams_rs.htm
Of the 50 highest scoring teams for a season in NBA history, *ONLY 8* won championships - and half of THOSE were Russell-era Celtic teams that were also known for their GREAT DEFENSE.
In a famous interview Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks in reverential tones about Wilt's strength in the weight room when they were on the Conan The Barbarian set. He was in his 50's and benching 550lbs. Teams were actively recruiting him up until his death. Wilt may have been the best athlete of all-time no exaggeration.
Good work
Good job on the myth debunking. Wilt was the best all around athlete of all time - strong, fast, agile, and durable.
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@@polpol1005 yep
@@ChristReignsSupremacy nope, he was overrated af
@@polpol1005 nope you're just ignorant
@@polpol1005 and a blatant hater.
Being old enough to have seen all these guys in real time, I very much appreciate this well-researched piece. Elgin Baylor and Jerry West are two other guys who could have been stars in any era.
Doctor J has STATED that he patterned his game after Elgin's.
The US had a population of 180 million people in the 60s, the NBA had a total of 120 players, no High School or 1 and done players, very competitive league back then, also a 48 inch vertical back then is still 48 vertical today
That's what I don't get about people who trash the 60s NBA but champion the 90s NBA. At least today we have players from all over the world to deservedly get those roster spots today as opposed to the 90s when far too many 19, 20 yr olds who weren't ready or washed up guys who should've retired 3 yrs ago got em and we were just in the early stages of it becoming a global game. The 90s and early 2000s are tough to watch unless you like first one to 90 points wins type of games
The players voted Russell MVP 5 times (3 straight) all in wilts prime
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Thanks for making this video I been saying this for years great facts
Finally some one with some sense---Great information! You can't compare the old with the new. They are all great during their time!!!!!
"strong as an ox posting a bench press pr of 400 out of college"
bro he did 465 when he was 59 and was reported to do 500 in his prime. dude was a fucking myth.
What you said about having to play so many games against HOFers is what a friend used to tell me, they all knew each other so well that Wilt HAD to switch up his game to have success vs Russell, Thurmond, Reed et al.
Wilt might have been the most athletic big man the NBA has had. The guy competed in NCAA track, too. Per Wikipedia: "He ran the 100-yard dash in 10.9 seconds, shot-putted 56 feet, triple jumped more than 50 feet, and won the high jump in the Big Eight track and field championships three straight years."
That SOUNDS fast, but it's not. 100-yards is just over 90m. The 100-meter dash is what gets run now, and with a 10.9 100-yd time, his 100m time would be in the 12-second range.
He high-jumped pre Fosbury-Flop, so his height was of particular advantage in that style. He was also considerably lighter in college. Regardless, his jump of 6'6" was mediocre at best. Middle of the road high-school high-jumpers can jump that with ease. I was one of them. Ran a 10.7 in the 100m too. Wilt's athleticism is over-estimated. His one true athletic gift was his sheer strength. He was one of the biggest dudes on the planet for a long time and had favorable proportions for musculature. He could've been inhumanly strong, but fast? No.
@@robjames4160 When Wilt ran it in 1955, it was pretty fast. The 1956 NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships winning 100 yd dash was 10.6 sec. The the 1955 winner was 9.4. Wilt could've probably medaled some meets, but he wouldn't have been league champ.
@@jerrybobteasdale All that means is that the competition in 1955 and 1956 was slow relative to today. "Pretty fast" back then would get annihilated by 15-yr-olds today. Actually, it would even be slow relative to 20 years ago. in 1994 I ran an electronically timed indoor 10.7 in the 100m and LOST. Sorry, but a 12-second 100m is not fast. For lumbering giants, maybe.
@@robjames4160 Comparing track performance to others of his time period makes sense. Comparing the performances of 1955 to the marks being made 60 years later is interesting, but a lot things change in a sport over 60 years. He was a 7'2" guy running respectably fast with other 100 yd dash sprinters of his time. That's one fast, big dude.
@@jerrybobteasdale Sure. As an athletic guy, I would expect someone with his leg length and athleticism to run "respectably" fast.
Here's some perspective for you though - no white dudes ran the 100m in under 10 seconds until 2010. Black dudes were doing it in '68. The NBA and NCAA athletics were primarily white-dominated in the '50s and '60s. Wilt wasn't competing against even remotely elite competition.
Moreover, I could consistently beat Wilt's high-jump mark when I was a junior in high school and could've outrun him in the 100m as a 15-year-old.
Honestly - 10.9 in the 100-yd dash is just not that fast. It's a 12-second 100m time. There are 11-year-old girls that have run it faster.
Overall this was a well thought out video... but you contradicted yourself pretty bad imo. You went from "time machine argument is irrelevant" to "If you gave Wilt the resources of modern players he'd be better than most of them". You're literally making the time machine argument, just backwards. You can't just pick and choose when things apply for the sake of your argument.
The way I see it, the money, the history, the resources, the popularity, etc. are the reasons why modern players are better than those of the past, but that doesn't change the fact that modern players are better. The whole comparison is dumb though, because the NBA wouldn't be what it is today without standing on the shoulders of giants like Wilt. Lebron wouldn't be Lebron if not for Wilt, and Wilt would still probably be an incredible player in the modern era. That being said, if we want to compare apples to apples, its pretty obvious that the modern NBA is better. Really its axiomatic. Over a period of sixty years, thousands of people have dedicated their lives to improving their basketball craft, and by extension the game as a whole. To say that the game is not better now than in 1960 is to say that the entire pursuit of improvement over the past sixty years has been one colossal failure. Saying that the game has not improved is actually an insult to those from the past who made the game what it is today.
Nobody uses the “time machine” argument against Jordan. He slays regardless. If anything, folks think he’d be even better... Oh, Stockton may not be very athletic, but Zeke and AI?! Though small, both were extremely athletic; however, your point’s valid about skills trumping size.
Great Vid and perspective, young man. Just came across your channel today (Mar '24) see you haven't posted in a few years, hope youre doing well. This is one of the best vids of its type (and Ive seen most of them) A voice like yours is needed in these youtube streets
I really think Wilt is the GOAT.. He has records that no one will touch...
I don't really think. I know he was the GOAT
I try to defend this era whenever I can but the ignorance just overtakes you. And your voice of reason is lost in the mix of the “he played against 5’4 white guys bruh 🤣” comments
Brayden Wormer Yea man it’s tough. It’s so easy to look up facts about that era but so many people refuse to do that. What confuses me more is when I provide empirical data and proof that these myths are wrong and I still get people who say stuff like “he played against short white guys” in the comments. Thanks for watching the video man
Big Stall Productions no problem man. I consider myself somewhat of an NBA historian. So I take it upon myself to be the reasonable one in these conversations. I think even when people are provided with facts, like to ignore it, because obviously it’s the popular opinion, and because if they do ignore it gives them an excuse to believe their favorite players now are better than anyone of the past.
He played against scrub
Wilt NEVER fouled out of a game!
He got tossed once late in a game, tho.
An absolutely incredible feat in a career of absolutely incredible feats
You talk about average height without looking at the nuances of average height PER POSITION:
Compare the 1960s vs the 1980s and 1990s where centers had an average height of 6'11+ (with some years close to 7') and PFs & SFs standing at around 6'9" and 6'7-6'8" versus 6'7" (PFs) and 6'6" (SFs) in the 1960s. Then you can see Wilt was at an advantage versus the typical frontliners at that time. The devil is in the details. Wilt wouldn't have been as dominant in the 1980s and 1990s; not by a mile.
Why bill & wilt looking like they was bout to catch that fade in the beginning of the video 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bill Russell Hof competition
Willis Reed
wilt Chamberlain
Nate thurmond
waIt Bellamy
wes unseld
Bob Pettit
Zelmo BEATY
pretty sure bill russel almost had more HOF teammates then competitiors
Chamberlain and Thurmond played 2 years together in Phila and Sanfrancisco. Both of them together still Couldnt beat Boston
Shows you how good the Celtics were.
@@bigdaddy4959 TRUE....VERT TRUE....FACTS....
Love 1960s nba basketball,
Take a look at Arvydas Sabonis. Best Euro player ever.
An absolute shame we only got the tale end of a brilliant pro career from Sabonis. What an incredible passer. Too bad we didn't get the prime years of his career in the NBA
The only player of Shaqs era that Shaq didnt physically dwarf. Too past his prime for a real rivalry, but a helluva outside shooter for so big a man. O'Neal woulda HATED having to guard Arvydas away from the basket.
Wilt may be the best player ever, Russell the best champion; Jordan is the best combination of the 2. Best Player/Champion