@@Dongonzales123 Almost all cases they're better when talking local service within a city, and even a city's close in suburbs, when done right (meaning BRT, which is bus only lanes, priority at signals, high-capacity buses, no less that 12 minutes between each bus, and a automated system that takes pictures of vehicles which are within the bus lanes, and generates a report to the police who have strong enforcement against violators giving them harsh penalties). I would say the only proper instance where Rail should used is for longer distance services, from a city center to another city center, or further (regional or interstate highspeed, or international highspeed). Of course, most transit planners and other like-minded people strongly disagree with me on it, but I do to their assessment as well.
@@TheCriminalViolin You‘re definitely not wrong about that, busses are awesome. I do think they work best in combination with other transit systems tho. Light rail is necessary in any city over 1M inhabitants imo. Here they usually serve to connect busy parts of the city underground and then often continue on the surface as trams, arriving at an interval of every 5 minutes. They usually go as far as into the suburbs or even neighboring small towns. They’re also used as ring lines to provide interconnectivity with the other bus/rail lines. We also have an elevated train system that has fewer stops and connects larger stations and neighboring city centers with one another. You cannot build these systems at every corner cause that would be excessive and unsustainable, so busses fill in those „in between“ routes and areas light rail cannot easily reach really nicely. Just busses would be inefficient and just light rail would be equally inefficient in my opinion. So they’re a nice team
Depends on the time of day. Taking one going to Grünerløkka from Jernbanetorget during rush hour is a nightmare 😵 we are lucky to have trams, metro, buses and local trains though
Trams looping around a balloon loop is quite common on older tram system (the same goes for metro). It's quite common in Europe where you have tramway network that dates back to the 19th century. On the contrary, new networks tends to favour trams with driving seats on both ends to avoid balloon loops.
Many tram networks have loops, especially those where the trams can only go into one direction, which is very common here in Germany. This has the advantage of only needing doors on one side, giving you a bit more space inside the vehicle. Also the vehicles could a bit simpler, since they don’t need a reverse drivers cab, but nowadays most of the trams can technically reverse, they just usually don’t in regular service.
I wish there was a way to tour other players' cities without having to download all the mods they used to build it. I would love to fly around Oceania at my own pace to look at all the details.
Trams in my city (Valencia) Spain, have the rails with grass underneath, what makes it almost invisible and goes in between the road. It looks spectacular
You can make yourself some custom parks with integrated tram loops for trams to turn around! So you can create a nice park where people are going to, but also have a tram loop! works really well in my city. having like 4-5 different designs should be enough
i wouldnt say most of the time. sure they exist, but its also rather common for trams to simply terminate and then head back out the way they came. and being this city is heavily inspired by australia, thats the way its done here in the majority of instances.
Street name suggestions: Woolworths Bellevue St. Andrews Pritt Market Epping Cohen Stuart Ford Victoria Vespucci Woodlands Wales St. Claire Smith Wyndham Geneva Avignon Auckland Nassau Sydney Chemin Coocadana Bristol La Croix Hastings Invercargill Port Bombora - The Main Street in the Bombora St. James Rochester Gloucester Marymount Winston Churchill Lausanne Eastleigh Queens Durban Wilmington View Canterbury Commonwealth Buckingham For the CBD due to the grid have numbered streets like 1st 2nd
We can name Not!George Street as either Elizabeth Street or Victoria Street. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide all have the former. Adelaide has Victoria Square, Melbourne, VIC and Hamilton/Cambridge NZ have Victoria Street, Sydney has Victoria Road. Grafton is another - there is A Grafton Street in Cairns/Warwick (QLD) and Coffs Harbour (NSW) - both main streets (and the latter is part of the Pacific Highway). There is a Grafton Road in Auckland.
@@unseen2880 a rigorously clear distinction doesn’t really exist, but trams usually share the right-of-way with cars on streets, while Light Rail has an exclusive right-of-way, with at-grade crossings. Also Light Rail vehicles are usually wider and longer, with higher capacity compared to trams. They’re usually faster too
Merry Christmas 2$20 🎄 As an English eighties kid obviously I think of Mick Dundee whenever Australia is mentioned. For naming the pedestrianised shopping district, how about Walkabout Mall or Can Toss Thoroughfare!
Tram is one of the nicest transport network for tourism area, really like it. The speed is steady and accelerated smoothly, that makes the sightseeing more fun...
Instead of looping trams at depots, maybe fly around toronto for some inspiration. All of the streetcars in Toronto only have cabs on one side so they need to loop and can’t just turn around. We have some pretty small tight low key loops like high park, long branch, Cherry, or Neville loops, some loops are at subway stations like at Main Street, Broadview, or Dundas West stations. We also have two underground loops at Union and Spadina stations. Hope those help☺️
I believe you should rethink your bus network, they share some lines with the trams which is not ideal. IRL you would have the buse line rerouted or discontinued when a new tram line is build.
Trams do loop quite a lot in Warsaw where I live for instance. I know it doesn't help You in terms of your type of build, but I Just wanted to give You some info in regards to them :) Edit: Just before liveplay, there is a pillar in the middle of the road in the "overcomplicated" interchange as you called it I believe.
8:22 I think it's more because we get distracted on certain other parts of the city. I got distracted too because there's just so many things to do. lol
You can always make the end loops for the tram within like a plopped maintenance building so you can hide the loop and it makes it look like they enter a building.
For the pedestrian street / mall may I suggest these: Summer Street Mall Winter Street Promenade Short Street Southern Cross Mall Banroo Street (this last is a shortening of Baton Rouge as coined by John Michael Greer, but it sounds *really* Australian)
You should take a look at the "Dortmund Stadtbahn" network which is organizing 8 tram / light rail lines in 3 trunk lines that intersect in three different transfer stations in the city center though unfortunately the central station ("Hbf" on German maps) is none of that - so do not copy that aspect. And expanding the tram network also means cutting back the bus network because parallel services are more expensive. In the end your bus network could almost look like the tram network around Paris ("Tramways in Île-de-France" on English Wikipedia) - torn apart and mainly giving access to higher capacity transit (Paris Metro and RER, metro and tram in Oceania).
I'll say it again because I really hope you see it- to make the metro line look even more like a former industrial branch, the line after "circular quay" should join to the main line somewhere in the suburbs, as industrial freight needs to get onto the branch somehow. Whether the metro trains still run from circular quay to a railway-metro interchange somewhere in the suburbs or the rest of the line is overgrown weeds, abandoned tunnels, and rusting bridges, that's up to you. But, I think that's important storywise.
Grey Street Mall. It would be a good fit as it's a very typical place name in both Australia and New Zealand. Named after Governor George Grey, who governed New Zealand and South Australia (as well as Cape Colony in South Africa). And the street is grey for the most part.
That's the line with 22 vehicles, right? Probably some wrong order of stops which causes to loop back first for the stop just before that one (2,1,3,4.. instead of 1,2,3).
If you want more people to use trams (and other transports except bus) you should try make the bus Lines shorter in distance. Bus stopp can go from tram stop to places not covered by public transport. There is probably no need for buses in the sentrum now, so to reduce traffic in there, let metro and tram do their thing. Enjoy the videos, really Nice entertainment when i dont have much time for playing myself anymore!👌
Unless cities develop a whole network on the get go and therefore get a gigantic depot, most new tram networks, developped line by line get a depot per line and it is even required for operators contracts competition that each line be independant from the others in terms of rolling stock and maintenance.
Well... Actually many Systems have Loops, especially in Europe. (Especially, Especially in Germany, Like Berlin, Leipzig, Erfurt, Schwerin, Schwerin, Potsdam.)
The pedestrian mall you mentioned in the video needs an American name. I would name it after the pedestrian mall in Downtown Brooklyn, New York. The Fulton Street Mall.
He can do what he likes, for sure. And he can take inspiration from other places. But as far as names are concerned, it is meant to be Oceania based. From Sydney - Pitt St Mall and from Melbourne - Bourke St Mall, for example. Other pedestrian malls in Oceania are available. And that is only if he wants to use a real name.
Perhaps the Bombora lines should be extended or merged. The shorter Bombora line can be merged with the port line for a shorter commute into the CBD. And then the longer Bombora line can bypass the Main Station in favour of the Olympic Park to go down the originally planned coastal route. That'll make it more of a sightseeing line, with contrasting waterfronts for tourism, CBD, and industry - excellent for a cinematic ride!
Hey I noticed my Bankwest tower asset is on the Oceania collection(thanks!) but I don't see it in Dundee, how come? is it the quality of the asset or the size of the tower? thanks!
5:30 - It's a shame that trams are not reversible in this game. You'd think they'd allow that similar to trains/metro - at least on tram-only reservations. Good to see Not-George Street (or Not-Swanston Street?) coming to fruition!
I think that 10 people for a week on each line is kinda little. In my city (around 20,000 ppl) I have three lines: Line 1 - Far South-East ~1000 ppl a week Line 2 - West-East ~300 ppl Line 3 - West -South ~150. There are 400 ppl a week on 1 Metro Line, but my bus Lines are weak.
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So great to see these billboards being used in the city!!
Trams are so underrated, I wish my city had trams
Then there's the diehard bus people, like me haha. Trams and other Light Rail? Burn it in fire, Bus all the way lol
So true!
@@TheCriminalViolin why do you prefer busses? Do you think they're better in every use case?
@@Dongonzales123 Almost all cases they're better when talking local service within a city, and even a city's close in suburbs, when done right (meaning BRT, which is bus only lanes, priority at signals, high-capacity buses, no less that 12 minutes between each bus, and a automated system that takes pictures of vehicles which are within the bus lanes, and generates a report to the police who have strong enforcement against violators giving them harsh penalties).
I would say the only proper instance where Rail should used is for longer distance services, from a city center to another city center, or further (regional or interstate highspeed, or international highspeed). Of course, most transit planners and other like-minded people strongly disagree with me on it, but I do to their assessment as well.
@@TheCriminalViolin You‘re definitely not wrong about that, busses are awesome. I do think they work best in combination with other transit systems tho. Light rail is necessary in any city over 1M inhabitants imo. Here they usually serve to connect busy parts of the city underground and then often continue on the surface as trams, arriving at an interval of every 5 minutes. They usually go as far as into the suburbs or even neighboring small towns. They’re also used as ring lines to provide interconnectivity with the other bus/rail lines. We also have an elevated train system that has fewer stops and connects larger stations and neighboring city centers with one another. You cannot build these systems at every corner cause that would be excessive and unsustainable, so busses fill in those „in between“ routes and areas light rail cannot easily reach really nicely. Just busses would be inefficient and just light rail would be equally inefficient in my opinion. So they’re a nice team
"three depots. Thats a lot for a city"
Budapest with its 12 operating tram depots: 👀👀
As someone from Oslo, I am a being fan of trams. Greatest form of inner city public transportation.
Depends on the time of day. Taking one going to Grünerløkka from Jernbanetorget during rush hour is a nightmare 😵 we are lucky to have trams, metro, buses and local trains though
@@The8347135 Anything that has to do with Grunerløkka and rush hour is a nightmare.
Yeah I love them I used it in Slovakia kosice then we I get back to uk I don’t see 1
@@FT_editzonly really in manchester and south London but theres a few others around (snowdonia for example)
Trams looping around a balloon loop is quite common on older tram system (the same goes for metro). It's quite common in Europe where you have tramway network that dates back to the 19th century. On the contrary, new networks tends to favour trams with driving seats on both ends to avoid balloon loops.
Many tram networks have loops, especially those where the trams can only go into one direction, which is very common here in Germany. This has the advantage of only needing doors on one side, giving you a bit more space inside the vehicle. Also the vehicles could a bit simpler, since they don’t need a reverse drivers cab, but nowadays most of the trams can technically reverse, they just usually don’t in regular service.
Couldn’t have seen a better new upload. Time to sit back and enjoy, loving your content recently
Oceania is back! Nice to see a second video of the week
Yess, another episode!! My country just went back in lockdown and I have been unbelievably bored!
I’m sorry to hear! There will be 2 videos a week from now on to keep you entertained
Melburnian in Sydney at the moment - those trams look amazing, a touch home sick! Very good work to the designers!!!
Yes!! Gotta love Trams!! Keen as for this :D
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I must have missed the naming of Bombora Beach but damn that is a great name for it
placing a development over the second tram depot with PO and retaining walls could add some visual interest
Love how much the city is being connected together! Really feeling alive and diverse
I wish there was a way to tour other players' cities without having to download all the mods they used to build it. I would love to fly around Oceania at my own pace to look at all the details.
1am in New Zealand... herd the notification couldn't miss it.
The wait for season 4 was worth it! I have loved the season so far!! Thank you!
Trams in my city (Valencia) Spain, have the rails with grass underneath, what makes it almost invisible and goes in between the road. It looks spectacular
From 0:15 - 0:22 if you listen closely it sounds like he is rapping to the beat a little and the flow is lowkey heat
You can make yourself some custom parks with integrated tram loops for trams to turn around! So you can create a nice park where people are going to, but also have a tram loop! works really well in my city. having like 4-5 different designs should be enough
It has to be said. You are the most underrated youtuber of 2021. And you surely deserve more. The content you put out, simply amazing. Thank you.
“Three tram depots is a lot for one city” *laughs in Melbourne*
18:17 your snicker made me laugh. That's clever! I never thought of doing that before.
Trams do in fact loop in most of the time. Please just read the wikipedia article on balloon loops.
i wouldnt say most of the time. sure they exist, but its also rather common for trams to simply terminate and then head back out the way they came. and being this city is heavily inspired by australia, thats the way its done here in the majority of instances.
The trams in San Francisco are actually very well utilized and designed.
erm actually they're cable cars, which aren't trams ☝🤓
@@qyyaperm actually the muni metro is also just using tram vehicles but calling it something different
@@cooltwittertag r we just gonna keep on doing this
Wow! I love admiring the level of thought that goes into this. It's like a well baked cake. Layered.
Street name suggestions:
Woolworths
Bellevue
St. Andrews
Pritt
Market
Epping
Cohen
Stuart Ford
Victoria
Vespucci
Woodlands
Wales
St. Claire
Smith
Wyndham
Geneva
Avignon
Auckland
Nassau
Sydney
Chemin
Coocadana
Bristol
La Croix
Hastings
Invercargill
Port
Bombora - The Main Street in the Bombora
St. James
Rochester
Gloucester
Marymount
Winston Churchill
Lausanne
Eastleigh
Queens
Durban
Wilmington View
Canterbury
Commonwealth
Buckingham
For the CBD due to the grid have numbered streets like 1st 2nd
You took Vespucci from Los Santos, admit it!
We can name Not!George Street as either Elizabeth Street or Victoria Street.
Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide all have the former. Adelaide has Victoria Square, Melbourne, VIC and Hamilton/Cambridge NZ have Victoria Street, Sydney has Victoria Road.
Grafton is another - there is A Grafton Street in Cairns/Warwick (QLD) and Coffs Harbour (NSW) - both main streets (and the latter is part of the Pacific Highway). There is a Grafton Road in Auckland.
One of the most underrated things our cities need! Great public transit, nice video!
I think mile bay needs a few Bruce burgers lol
OK let's get this wrong thought out of the world. Trams DO loop, light rail does not. And yes there is a difference between the two
What even is the difference
@@unseen2880 a rigorously clear distinction doesn’t really exist, but trams usually share the right-of-way with cars on streets, while Light Rail has an exclusive right-of-way, with at-grade crossings. Also Light Rail vehicles are usually wider and longer, with higher capacity compared to trams. They’re usually faster too
Merry Christmas 2$20 🎄
As an English eighties kid obviously I think of Mick Dundee whenever Australia is mentioned. For naming the pedestrianised shopping district, how about Walkabout Mall or Can Toss Thoroughfare!
When you do a tram network in your city, don't forget the suburbs, they have to be connected to the downtown too.
Tram is one of the nicest transport network for tourism area, really like it. The speed is steady and accelerated smoothly, that makes the sightseeing more fun...
Your E class trams have the exact same bell as Adelaides Flexity Classic trams :)
Looks just like Melbourne!
Instead of looping trams at depots, maybe fly around toronto for some inspiration. All of the streetcars in Toronto only have cabs on one side so they need to loop and can’t just turn around. We have some pretty small tight low key loops like high park, long branch, Cherry, or Neville loops, some loops are at subway stations like at Main Street, Broadview, or Dundas West stations. We also have two underground loops at Union and Spadina stations. Hope those help☺️
Road lots of those trams in the 50's from Naremburn to the city over the bridge, and to Balmoral Beach.
I believe you should rethink your bus network, they share some lines with the trams which is not ideal. IRL you would have the buse line rerouted or discontinued when a new tram line is build.
I love it, the tram and billboard
Trams do loop quite a lot in Warsaw where I live for instance. I know it doesn't help You in terms of your type of build, but I Just wanted to give You some info in regards to them :)
Edit: Just before liveplay, there is a pillar in the middle of the road in the "overcomplicated" interchange as you called it I believe.
You Should name it, Victoria Gardens
You can always build spots for turn arounds and then they can go on the same street back
I dont know if it has anything to do with it but the game is made in Finland and in Helsinki tram system the trams are doing loops.
Are you still continuing with the Oceania city
It be good to expand the suburban areas like Sydney does
8:22
I think it's more because we get distracted on certain other parts of the city. I got distracted too because there's just so many things to do. lol
You can always make the end loops for the tram within like a plopped maintenance building so you can hide the loop and it makes it look like they enter a building.
Finally!!! After a month of waiting, a new Oceania episode.
For the pedestrian street / mall may I suggest these:
Summer Street Mall
Winter Street Promenade
Short Street
Southern Cross Mall
Banroo Street (this last is a shortening of Baton Rouge as coined by John Michael Greer, but it sounds *really* Australian)
You should take a look at the "Dortmund Stadtbahn" network which is organizing 8 tram / light rail lines in 3 trunk lines that intersect in three different transfer stations in the city center though unfortunately the central station ("Hbf" on German maps) is none of that - so do not copy that aspect.
And expanding the tram network also means cutting back the bus network because parallel services are more expensive. In the end your bus network could almost look like the tram network around Paris ("Tramways in Île-de-France" on English Wikipedia) - torn apart and mainly giving access to higher capacity transit (Paris Metro and RER, metro and tram in Oceania).
Removes 5 structures from city block to build Tram depot
"It was built because there was obviously a vacant lot here" 🤣🤣🤣
The orange line should definitely terminate into the airport
Two dollar twenty just predicted the pedestrian areas dlc
I'll say it again because I really hope you see it- to make the metro line look even more like a former industrial branch, the line after "circular quay" should join to the main line somewhere in the suburbs, as industrial freight needs to get onto the branch somehow. Whether the metro trains still run from circular quay to a railway-metro interchange somewhere in the suburbs or the rest of the line is overgrown weeds, abandoned tunnels, and rusting bridges, that's up to you. But, I think that's important storywise.
That’s a lot of trams!
For example the trams in Vienna do terminate. As it was a frequently mentioned question, I wanted to share this
Grey Street Mall.
It would be a good fit as it's a very typical place name in both Australia and New Zealand.
Named after Governor George Grey, who governed New Zealand and South Australia (as well as Cape Colony in South Africa).
And the street is grey for the most part.
well all tram networks in sweden loop! deal with it!
Wow you’re CRANKING these eps out for all your series. it’s the highlight of my day
are we going to see more residential sprawl in Dundee?
Can’t wait to see what the Oceania equivalent of Alice Springs is going to look like!
and for the street/mall name i think this names are good:
-Starnight promenade
-Evergreen street
-New Broad' ave.
-Red Alley
-Concordia Way
I don't know if you know but the city loop tram in Melbourne is free, that might be a cool policy to put in!
Dundee is amazing, but I'm starting to get wanderlust. Take me out to the countryside, $2! 🙏
Next week 🤠
22:00 please check the purple line it might have a big loop because you added a stop on the other side of the road mid way
That's the line with 22 vehicles, right? Probably some wrong order of stops which causes to loop back first for the stop just before that one (2,1,3,4.. instead of 1,2,3).
I would really love some videos with first person views from the tram riding thru the city etc
If you want more people to use trams (and other transports except bus) you should try make the bus Lines shorter in distance. Bus stopp can go from tram stop to places not covered by public transport. There is probably no need for buses in the sentrum now, so to reduce traffic in there, let metro and tram do their thing. Enjoy the videos, really Nice entertainment when i dont have much time for playing myself anymore!👌
Unless cities develop a whole network on the get go and therefore get a gigantic depot, most new tram networks, developped line by line get a depot per line and it is even required for operators contracts competition that each line be independant from the others in terms of rolling stock and maintenance.
name for the mall could be Brent Street Mall inspired by bourke street mall in Melbourne
You should call the mall ‘Rundall Mall’
0:54 that looks like Brighton Le Sands in Sydney
Actually running trams through a pedestrian area is pretty normal!
Well... Actually many Systems have Loops, especially in Europe. (Especially, Especially in Germany, Like Berlin, Leipzig, Erfurt, Schwerin, Schwerin, Potsdam.)
Hmm! What An unexpected video!😉😋
The pedestrian mall you mentioned in the video needs an American name. I would name it after the pedestrian mall in Downtown Brooklyn, New York. The Fulton Street Mall.
He can do what he likes, for sure. And he can take inspiration from other places. But as far as names are concerned, it is meant to be Oceania based. From Sydney - Pitt St Mall and from Melbourne - Bourke St Mall, for example. Other pedestrian malls in Oceania are available. And that is only if he wants to use a real name.
Perhaps the Bombora lines should be extended or merged. The shorter Bombora line can be merged with the port line for a shorter commute into the CBD. And then the longer Bombora line can bypass the Main Station in favour of the Olympic Park to go down the originally planned coastal route. That'll make it more of a sightseeing line, with contrasting waterfronts for tourism, CBD, and industry - excellent for a cinematic ride!
Loving the series
I remember one mod that showes you where do people go
oceania is turning greater then Marble Moutain!
I LOVE the soft shadows on this map. How are you doing that? I know it's not the overall map theme.
For the pedestrian mall street with a tram line running through it, how about Vertali Street?
Hey I noticed my Bankwest tower asset is on the Oceania collection(thanks!) but I don't see it in Dundee, how come? is it the quality of the asset or the size of the tower? thanks!
It’s a great asset I just didn’t have the space for it 🙂
5:30 - It's a shame that trams are not reversible in this game. You'd think they'd allow that similar to trains/metro - at least on tram-only reservations.
Good to see Not-George Street (or Not-Swanston Street?) coming to fruition!
I think double-sided trams aren't that common in most of the world, despite Melbourne having them.
29:07 removed a road with bus routes as well 😒 Find some of clus' roads assets with bus and tram, they'll fit in.
Clicked as soon as I saw the E class trams.
Will there be a save game of Oceania on steam. Love the video
I think that 10 people for a week on each line is kinda little. In my city (around 20,000 ppl) I have three lines:
Line 1 - Far South-East ~1000 ppl a week
Line 2 - West-East ~300 ppl
Line 3 - West -South ~150.
There are 400 ppl a week on 1 Metro Line, but my bus Lines are weak.
If you want more people using public transport, use the free public transport policy
Better hope these trams don’t crack after a few years like the Sydney ones 🙄
And there will also be Springfield🤔🤔🤔
I think the mall should be named Coral Plaza or coral plaza mall
I’d love to see Brisbane’s central underground bus station in this content.
i made a tram stop station and a bathroom stop
the other day.
2 videos and a stream in a week 🤯
Love you builds. Just a quick question. Whats wrong with loops? Why to hide them? I quite like how they look in my town.
Can you please upload 2 videos a week Btw i love your videos and keep up the good work
Yes
Yeees! It’s here!!!🤩🤩😄
i love so oceania
You should make the tram roads in your port historical instead of getting rid of them.
Honestly it looks like the better version of a trolling or is it not that?