Millie Jackson Recalls Confronting Aretha Franklin
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
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At the 17th Grammy Awards, Millie Jackson and Aretha Franklin competed in the "Best R&B Vocal Performance, Female" category. Aretha's "Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing" took the win on that night in March 1975, while Millie's "If Loving You Is Wrong, I Don't Want To Be Right" did not. Nearly 50 years later, Millie tells Questlove Supreme why the category, and Aretha's win is a frustrating subject. Having been artists at the same talent agency, Millie also recalls confronting Aretha over something else entirely. This QLS episode with Millie and her daughter, singer Keisha Jackson, was filmed in Atlanta, Georgia.
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I love that you interviewed Millie Jackson and her daughter! I had the gift of working on a doc for public tv back in the day and we got to interview Millie Jackson. She is truly one of the kindest people I've met in the business. She takes no mess from anyone and she's gracious at the same time. So glad you've interviewed her, love your podcast!
“She takes no mess from anyone and she’s gracious at the same time”. Now that is a masterful art form 😅.
Millie's daughter looks exactly like her mom in the 1970s. I was looking at her and thinking "Boy, Millie hasn't aged a day since 1980".
The competition back in the 1970s was really intensive. Ladies like Aretha Franklin, Thelma Houston and Millie Jackson could all sing and sell out venues. Woo! 🔥🔥
So let's be clear, Millie Jackson did her thang before Madonna. That's FACTS
Two totally different generations
No comparison. Please.
@@Rhythm973 Right no one even mentioned Madonna, super random.
@@devzeppilin super random and what's worse REACHING
A true trailblazer for woman like Madonna!
As Aretha would say, "LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES." Ms. Franklin did not go two years without releasing a record in those days. As a matter of fact, in addition to multiple singles, she released an album every year of the seventies. During the year in question (1974) she actually released two albums. The single for Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing and the album from which it was culled were released in 1974, not two years before as Ms. Jackson and her daughter are claiming. Again, "LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES."
@@TruthSerum101 how u know
@@GregBoyd-qg3il Believe whatever you want to believe.
The hosts need to learn how to not interject their disrespectful comments when having the pleasure of interviewing legends speaking about other legends. We all love the tea but just stop. Yall can listen to those stories without adding yo negative 💩.
Thank you for this interview. I was thinking of Millie Jackson recently and wondering what was up with her, and a few days later, I find this recent interview. I remember seeing Millie in 1979, perform at Brooklyn Academy Music in New York. My date and I sat in the 7th row. Right in front of us, there was a man who was obviously drunk. This man would yell Aretha Franklin's name out of nowhere. Nothing else but Aretha's name. I'm sure people felt, why is this man yelling Aretha's name at a Millie Jackson show. No one said anything, we knew he was drunk. After about the 4th time he yelled "ARETHA FRANKLIN," Millie Jackson looked straight at the man, and yelled...NIGA, THE BITCH AIN'T HERE!!! The man didn't respond and never yelled out Aretha Franklin's name again during the show!!!
I couldnt imagine! Lmao Millie says whats on her mind. Thats a great story!!
LOLL! (LAUGH OUT LOUD AND LONG).
That sounds like Millie! And good for her! This BLM minded whitey has never used the N word in his life, but I think it took that kind of reaction to shut him up!
I love these kinda stories 😂
Happy 80th Birthday to Millie Jackson
They were all DIVA's ...Aretha is just DIVA #1 (for the voice, arrangements, imagination on where to take a song, piano playing and overall musicality) so a lot of them come after her. Re had her flaws too (dressing herself mainly, and living in a bubble - kinda like Mariah (love her) today). I love Millie. I Love Aretha and all the other greats...Whitney, Diana Ross (Supremes), Dionne, Minnie Riperton, Donna Summer, Patti (LaBelle), Gloria Gaynor, Chaka, Martha Wash (2 Tons), Sade, Jill Jones, Fantasia, Jennifer Holiday, Phyllis Hyman, Roberta Flack, Gladys, Janet, Missy E, Erykah, Tina Turner, Teena Marie, Mary J., Etta James, Aaliyah, Brandy, Monica, Anita Baker, and 100's more. There's room for all y'all - Pre and Post Aretha, but there is only one "Queen of Soul". Don't get it twisted...
Truth!!
R-E-S-P-E-C-T… the disrespect knowing Aretha a little black girl who shake mountains is validated by monarchs throughout the world… maybe the only person to hold that respect internationally besides MJ.
💯👍🏽💖💖💖
Millie….. that woman is deceased…leave it alone 🫠
plus being wrong and inaccurate to... at that.
They asked the question n she answered it so don't get mad wit Millie for answering the question that was asked
@@Dedicated2WendyWilliams how u know she were you around when it happened
@@Dedicated2WendyWilliams LMAO!!! True that!
@@boydgreg8468 The question he asked her was, if she was nominated for a Grammy for "If Loving You Is Wrong..." Had she said, yes, all would have been fine and well. What made people "mad" and BLOWN AWAY, was her not having her facts nowhere near right, EVEN AFTER 46 YEARS!!! That was worse than when she blocked Aretha's path because Aretha didn't say hello!
After some of the Soul/R&B awards show snubs I saw occur back in the 90s and 2000s, Ms. Jackson's story sounds completely plausible; especially given that she was not a cookie cutter, goody-goody, play-the-role type of Soul songstress. She was her own thing. I have a greater respect for her refusal to compromise her style and vision knowing just how dirty the 'business' could be.
Millie and her daughter are not telling the truth about Aretha's recording of Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing not being eligible because it was two years old and that Aretha had not put out a record in two years - totally untrue. Aretha's record was released the same year as Millie's. Aretha actually released two albums and three singles that same year.
@@TruthSerum101false
Who exactly were the cookie-cutter goody-goody, play the role type of "Soul Songstress"?
This is soooooo good ! Thank you
We love us some Millie Jackson but Aretha released “Ain’t Nothin Like The Real Thing” the same year Millie released her song. 1974!
And why wouldn't Milly know that?
@@HAYTOZED I don’t know she probably got it mixed up. The original with Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell was released in 1968 but Aretha did a remake and a whole new arrangement of it 6 years later in ‘74.
@@noreneal7252 that version of that song was not good at all I usually like remakes but not this particular one
Facts
Willie was just hatin
Bitterness in an old person looks ugly.
How do you know she's bitter? Millie is literally one on the most celebrated artists of all time.
@@KrisBryant99 It's in her music and stands out like a sore thumb just like yours does.🙄🤔
Millie is Millie, but there’s no compassion between the two. Aretha was a living legend. Like, GOAT…She didn’t have to say a word to throw the shade Millie does
@@paisleyprincess7996 None of what you said has anything to do with my comment while I never even mentioned Aretha Franklin who also has nothing to do with your comment.
God bless her she still alive
That's not true Millie, Aretha released Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing in 1974.
Facts were to much work and did not fit her bitterness.
Yeah Aretha actually dropped two albums that year, with some of her best singing she ever did.
Not only that but there’s not any rules saying the song can’t be a cover. Within that category alone, Etta James, Diana Ross, Esther Phillips, Thelma Houston (mentioned in the video), Tina Turner, and Whitney Houston have all submitted songs that were covers or standards, which makes that point void and null.
@@melregissings that song was lousy
Aretha Franklin from 1961-1974 was vocally untouchable. No one with properly working ears was giving Millie Jackson a vocal award over Aretha Franklin. Hell, when cigarettes finally caught up with her and gave her that weird ashy tone she had the rest of her life, she was still the superior singer. I will say, Millie had about 4 albums that can stand up to ANY Aretha album. Because the subject matter was just that more interesting.
What are those albums? I don't know any female soul singer that can match Aretha's early Atlantic albums, but I'm interested to listen.
@@melregissings I’d try Millie’s album run from 1974-1978. Those albums can toe to toe with Aretha’s best work. Not vocally though 😂.
Untouchable?? I’m not sure about that one....
Correction Dear:
Aretha's Voice Was Only Raspy During The 80's Into The Early 90's. After She Quit Smoking By in The Late 80's Early 90's, By 96' She Has Regained Her Vocal Power, Clarity And Range.
Go Back The Waiting To Exhale Albums Dear!
Aretha Is The Greatest Singer Ever Walk This Earth!
Chaka Kahn & Millie Jackson. The 70s belonged to those ladies.
Millie's cool, but she was no Aretha. Aretha was untouchable 67-76. They could have nominated Aretha for Respect again and she still would have won the Grammy. Millie sounds no different than Gladys Knight so that's why she never had the same level of success as the aforementioned singers.
Yep and I will take Gladys any day over Millie.
Right! Like, Millie is cool but let's be fr.
Absolutely Aretha was the Queen, don’t get mad at Aretha; leave her Fxxxin be since that’s our favorite word.
Regis Sings
CORRECTION:
Aretha Franklin Was Untouchable From The Day She Came On The Scene And STILL TO THIS DAY!!!!
There Are Videos Of Her Killing Other Artist Songs A Year Before She Passed.
She Is Just UNTOUCHABLE PERIOD SIR!!!
Gladys Knight is a classic. Millie is a singer/comedian. Good to play while drinking and playing dominoes, but not legendary
Millie your album Still Caught Up is one of my fav albums of all time ❤️Millie Jackson and Esther Phillips two of my most fav singers❤️
Did you know that on year Aretha won a grammy and presented it to Esther because Aretha said that Ms. Phillips should have won it?
So you mad because you're not better than the Queen Of Soul? Lady have several seats. Not you hating🤣🤣🤣
Google really ain't worth a damn, I searched up 'Millie Jackson 2022' and they produced results for articles that were almost 10yrs old. I'm so glad to see Millie Jackson alive and feisty as ever in such a recent interview.
Aretha did not go two years without dropping records, she was dropping singles and albums one or two times a year during those years and her nominated song `Ain`t Nothing like the Real Thing` was released in 1974 just like Millie`s song was... ANLTRT was not two years old... Get your facts straight Millie and stop being bitter about nothing... Also why would Millie step up to Aretha invading her space like that ? ....smh !
Amen.... She should be glad that Ms. Franklin didnt pull out a can of whoop a** on her!
No disrespect to Aretha but I recently heard that song but that version of the Marvin n Tammi was not the best at all sorry
Love Aretha and Millie, but, Hurt So Good was hot, 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@GregBoyd-qg3il Aretha is singing her face off on her cover of "Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing."
@@TruthSerum101 boo
I love Ms. Jackson. It might have been more appropriate for Ms. Jackson not to have aired this conservation. It sheds light on the way some young black artist disrespect each other these days.
I saw Bobby Bland, B.B. King, and Millie play at the Apollo in the 80's. After B.B. played, around midnight, all the white people left. Then the men moved up to the front, and the show *really* started ! Mick Jagger was there, he had a whole row to himself and his bodyguards. That was a great night.
this is the first time I check out The Roots and this clip, and One : Millie Jackson Daughter say when Ms. Franklin past the she'll be Miss and she was a great Legend singer and You loved her and second in this clip, she put her down and blames her about her Mother losing the Granny.. which isn't right because It's not her Fault..
Blessings to Millie Jackson, I’ve always loved her fr!
millie sounds bitter in my opinion.
I don't think she so bitter now but I heard Aretha's version of that song sounded terrible Millie's song was better than all of the nominees for that category
@@GregBoyd-qg3il I truly hope you have realized that YOUR OPINION is not the deciding factor of musical quality. It's just YOUR OPINION.
@@sereneamani1713 kma
😂why do people feel like they have to be spoken to? If a person has a routine and they probably stay in they head they ain't seeing u. Yes it's polite to say hello but why want attention from someone that bad u deliberately but yourself in their way and seem upset about it? 🤣People
I swear!! That’s weird asf that she felt she had to go out of her way to be spoken to. All while Aretha minding her own business
It's a generational and/or southern thing. Aretha was a diva. That's been documented. The crazy part is Ms Millie holding on to this 50 years later.
A lot of them wanted some kind of validation from Aretha, Gladys Knight was the same way. Aretha just didn't hang with females like that, and I can't blame her for being that way because women in the industry can be a trip. Aretha was very guarded especially around other women, but if she respected you she'd give you props.
@@melregissings It's funny you say that. I have followed Aretha's career for many years because she was an AMAZING singer! Watching her through the years, she would have the time of her life with men friends, but with women, not so much, and was very reserved???!!!
That Part😂
They both lying because aretha released that song that same year and when has aretha back in those days ever went 2 years without releasing a song or album... she literally recorded 50 albums in her 50+ career.😊
I don't blame Aretha
..it is a very competitive business and these chicks want your spot and I am not here to make friends!
Love Millie. Saw her in 2009
I like both artists.
Millie is Millie, but Aretha could throw an oak tree-level shade without saying a single word. Millie was no match.
It was actually released in 1974...so wth is she talking about
Millie a Queen 💯🖤❤💚
Love you Millie, Aretha just beat you out boo. Stop the foolishness you’re too old for this, y wait for the lady to die before you express your mind 😢😢😢😢😢
Ask her that
She is still beautiful!
millie should invest in a MacBook and use wikipedia it might enlighten her.
👑Millie Jackson👑❤️
She's bitter I see. And neither one daughter or her is telling the truth. Aretha release that song in 1974
Millie is not bitter, Aretha was the one clearly bitter! Almost every female singer of that era has a negative Aretha story about how snobbish she was.
@@marimuffin I mean she's sitting on a podcast still being upset about an award she lost almost 50 years ago. I'd say she's a little bitter STILL. 🤷♀
@@anjelheaven Lmaoo Right! Bitter as hell! Lol
@@shonmosley4215 🤣🤣 Cussing and getting heated over something that happened in 1974. Like ma'am, the moment has LONG passed! Then the story she told about stepping in front of Aretha like that was a flex. Aretha should've split her damn wig!
@@anjelheaven wtf is the problem with what she said u didn't like or how she said it they asked n she gave them the answer rather u like it or not no disrespect but it w what it is
Heavy
Aretha had all the beef she did not hesitate to start beef 🥴🤣🤣🤣
I think she knew Millie is from the back woods of Georgia , she knew better than to try it with her and I just know that day Millie bad that big brown Afro wig on 😂
And she didn’t have to utter a word…pun intended
Why are they saying Aretha Franklin hadn't put out a song in two years in the 70s? Ms. Aretha would have 2 to 3 singles out a year from the early to mid 70s. She might have slowed down around 78 or 79. But she was hot around the the timeframe they're discussing in this clip.
Aretha had an album out in 1978, Almighty Fire and an album out in 1979, La Diva, which both producing 2-3 single releases. Also she had an album every year in the 1980's except 1984 and 1988- she literally never let up.
I really wish Denise Lasalle hadnt gotten sick and passed. Im told she and Millie were tight. Denise and Millie were the only 2 soul singers who were bold enough to do what they did. Denise did Snap Crackle and Pop, a song about eating kat. Millie with Feel So Good, but Hurt So Bad. Long live them both.
Love you Millie, but y’all need fact checked on your years!
Aretha should not have won that one “Woman To Woman” and Millie’s song was WAY more popular than “Ain’t Nothing Like The Real Thing” a Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell song written by Ashford and Simpson that released in in 1968 !!!! Look at the look on others woman’s face they knew it was a set up Re si always the Queen in my book they still had a reputation for a funky attitude
It was the Grammy for best performance not for the most popular song.
That’s Shirley Brown woman to woman
I adore Ms Jackson
Millie is telling the truth but it was not Aretha fault....that is just like Angela Bassett, being mad with Jamie Lee Curtis for winning the award....Be upset with the people that was in control....
It's not the truth at all. Millie and Keisha are not telling the truth. Aretha released an album every year in the seventies and in 1974, she released two. Her single from one of those albums (Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing) met the qualifications. I don't know how Millie got this nonsense in her head. It's been almost 50 years since the 1975 Grammys - someone should have corrected her by now.
No, they are not telling the truth at all!
There is no story there. Millie is STILL telling this lie 50 years later! Not only was Aretha's cover (produced by Arif Mardin and JERRY Wexler) released in the exact same year as Millie's cover, but Aretha actually sang "Ain't Nothin Like the Real Thing" at the 1974 Grammy Awards.
Damn this is sad as an Empath I pity this woman. To have so much bitterness 900+ years later. Aretha Franklin went all these years without mentioning this woman and she’s the bigger star. 0:33, she’s clearly too elderly that she can’t even yell properly without cracking to be coming on a podcast cussing and yelling about a gawt damn award. What in da hell happened to shame.
Y do you pity Millie because she answered the question and u didn't like how she answered it she spoked the truth about what went down they asked her about the award and she answered it that's Millie and her personality so there u have it
@@GregBoyd-qg3il😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@GregBoyd-qg3il She can have all the personality she wants, it’s what’s in the heart which reflects the actions of the spirit. So save all that. Millie spoke HER truth which most likely isn’t the truth considering the fact she low key embarrassed herself when she should be at a age of wisdom not stupidity. Considering the fact she didn’t have enough courage to speak on this topic when Aretha was here shows just how false this MOST likely is.
Millie The queen In My Book She Don,t Need That Grammy Yo No one Can touch Millie J s Style 💕
Millie. A icon.❤
I know a lot of people do not like Millie because of the things she says but she is telling the truth about the music industry also she seen a lot of people get ripped off just like when she mentioned about Aretha for winning a grammy that had no business being nominated and won also there's a lot of entertainers that have been ripped off such as Aretha Whitney Toni Dionne and Donna just to name a few the list goes on and on but she had enough sense to manage herself even though her music was raunchy let's face it the managers and record companies are full of sh it is what it is they are just crooks when they say life not fair that's what exactly what they mean not fair
I love Millie but she was not and is not Aretha, Gladys, Tina, Chaka-level classic. She’s hood. She sings songs about fucking, and she comedy. For her to be bitter that she didn’t get the Grammy is stupid, because Aretha is is a whole nother level
@@paisleyprincess7996 wait a minute y do you think that she is bitter they asked her a question about the Grammys and she answered it idk if you liked the answer or not I heard that song Aretha did imma fan as well sorry that version was lousy
Millie and her daughter are not telling the truth about the Grammy. It's embarrassing because these things are very easily to verify. Aretha's recording had just been released in 1974 and she never went two years without doing a recording in those days. She released an album every single year. That year she released two. Apparently, Millie has been believing these inaccuracies for 50 years.
@@TruthSerum101 the song was lousy Millie's version of if loving you is wrong I don't want to be right was way better than Aretha version of Marvin and Tammy
@@GregBoyd-qg3il Your opinion of the song has nothing to do with the fact that these women are not telling the truth.
Wow her daughter is her twin
Wish this could have been said when Aretha was alive . It’s soo unfair to the Queen of Soul .
I mean it’s been how many years and u bringing this out now . Come on now .
SHE BLEACHED HER SKIN INTO HELL
Millie is a badass. Smart woman who takes no shit. 😂
Millie, go sit down 😅
I didn’t know she was still alive. No shade 🪭
Millie sounds truly petty.
I MISS WOMEN WITH THIS KIND OF STRENGTH 💪🏿 😁🔥🔥🖤
Idk what to think lol😂 Millie was different. 😂she could’ve let Aretha slide though
I love how people are in these comments emotionally invested in a "beef" that has absolutely nothing to do with them or their lives...We be so BORED...smh. lol. WHY are ya'll getting mad over people who do not know you and you will never know??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love areatha and I love millie i think she and her daughter are telling the truth what reason would she have to lie you know how hateful areatha use to be to other artists and her own sisters she does seem like she is still mad about that Grammy I will give you that you probably would be 2
She may have been angry but she long got over that another thing they asked her about it and she answered the question that was asked to her
Was aretha hateful of other singers or did she just have a tough exterior... aretha has always given other singers their props including whitney, dionne, Diana, and so forth.
@@firelord_ozai there were a lot of singers Aretha was hating on as well as Diana because she as well as all the singers that u mentioned get like that when they make it's called n ego
@GregBoyd-qg3il but again why was aretjs hating on the other singers when she's always given them their props? It makes no sense... if I'm gone hate on someone I'm not going to give them any type of recognition.
@@firelord_ozai put it like this Aretha early years she was not nice to people n general
Lol Aretha rubbed everyone wrong
That's because she was untouchable during that period. Other vocalists were frustrated.
@@stevenlewis2490 I agree but Aretha also have a very negative demeanor. That is truth. Whitney had more success and stronger prime than Aretha and she never mistreated anyone.
@I-AM-BELIEVER If that's you in the pic, then you're young, so I'll help you out (no disrespect). I'm 65 here. Aretha, during her prime, was about her money & as the other person stated her gift pissed a lot of people off. She was noted as a song stealer in that if she sings remake it often topped the original. During Duke Ellington tribute she was singled out as documented by her older peers & said I'll give it back to you on the stage. Another thing, her prime was more impact full being that no singer could top her or match her. Whitney had peers we got to stop pretending she didn't, Mariah, Celine, & Toni later on. As far as worldwide reach, Aretha limited that herself no longer traveling by plane, but was highly requested especially, by royals.
@@melaninenriched7844 Mariah was not a contender for Whitney because she literally had an entire era of singers that she was winning every award over. Whitney also self destructed so it literally wasn't like singers was completion for her. She was already getting legend honors after several years in the game.
Also Diana Ross, Donna Summer was competition for Aretha even though different genre same industry and all were singers or entertainers
@@I-AM-BELIEVER Diana has sold lots of records & won no grammys. With that being said, Mariah not winning as many didn't mean she wasn't a peer of Whitney's & contender. Prince hadn't won nearly as many as MJ but he was often compared to him as a peer. Aretha didn't have that during her prime. Folks really didn't start saying Patti's name in comparison to her until the last 3 decades or so. The only one that came the closest was Gladys & even then it wasn't much cause we only said hers voice is soulful but Aretha still tops her. She's really sat at the top by herself. Her winning streak only ended cause she chose not to record This Will Be that the great Natalie Cole recorded.
Correction it's Jerry Wexler
Her information is so wrong
How please explain it
@@GregBoyd-qg3il Aretha released the song in 1974. So she was eligible for the granmy of 1975
@@sheroderickjohnson the remake of Marvin n Tammi was terrible no where near as good as their version of that song
@@GregBoyd-qg3il I love Aretha's version. I never liked Marvin and Tammi original. I love how Aretha slowed it down and let her vocal chops soar!
@@sheroderickjohnson that song was lousy and I love Aretha stuff but fortunately not this one
Shes wrong Aint nothing like the real thing was released in 1974. That was the last of Arethas winning streak.
Side note, for those within black entertainment circles...the names who almost always come up as folks who were hard to work with back in the day it's Aretha and Prince... I keep hearing it over and over again. For whatever reasons. It's "said respectfully" but it's said.
Funny you say that yet I have heard many stories of how people loved working with Aretha.
@@sirblack1619 Exactly💯
Who has said this stuff, especially about Aretha?
To specify, with Aretha just heard it's typically her way or the highway lol but probably during those very in-ya-face hard times a lot of women and blk ppl got screwed over so fast. She was probably over it ya know too. With Prince, heard he's the same but a little eccentric maybe some may say but truly just not allowing much programming inside him too I'm guessing.. along with having money and dealing with fame while being blk in freakin America, with no real guidance always..etc.
K M , I don`t know much about Prince but I`ve heard so many in the industry talk about how they loved working with Aretha , not only in awe of her talent but how down to earth she was and her kind gestures like cooking food to bring to the studio for everybody .
She hasn't changed.
If they got the year wrong it don't mean it didn't happened
I found the clip and Thelma Houston looked PISSED . Miss Jackson looks cool as ice !
Ikr
Millie is the truth. Aretha was a wonderful artist and musician, but too many stories of her personality being pure trash. She was friends with Cissy, but low key would shame Whitney because she was jealous of her success.
Aretha had love for Whitney and said it many times, including when she tributed her and when she said she was "one of the best if not the best" of her generation. There are way too many examples of her complimenting Whitney (and vice versa) on UA-cam.
LMAO!
I wouldn't have gave that witch the time of day if I were Millie ... a known witch like Aretha. I would've let her go on about here business alright.
WHY TO PEOPLE TALK ILL OF THE DEAD???????
Why does it come off bitter ?
Tbh, both Millie and Aretha had stink additudes.
How come she's white
Aretha was not a nice person.ate too much and not a prett site
Millie is irrelevant. She can’t compare to any of the legendary women!
Who cares! Aretha was the better artist. Millie Jackson has never been talented.
😂
Millie hater
A Bitter Petty Betty, it's a real shame. Well, she just needs prayer 🙏.