Thank you for wrapping up the top solutions, you definitely nailed it. Possible correction, UE5 ML Deformer is not a stand alone solution or alternative to the other options you kindly described. ML Deformer uses an external muscle simulation to provide training data for ML Deformer. Actually in the sample provided by epic, they used Houdini muscle simulation to generate the training data. So, ML Deformer doesn't work on its own.
2:27 they had a version of muscle system in houdini that thty removed in the 20.0 version and they still haven't brought in a fully working version to it yet.
Some of the tutorials you were showing come from the 18.0 version. Also frequently you shared video of the guy modelling hand muscles. However that is not the muscle system you were talking about.
The old was developed by the russian studio main road post and sidefx implemented it but they decided to remove it and implement a new system from scratch.
The real key with ziva was its fine attention to distance volume and collision. as such it features made the properties between skin fat and muscles work in conjunction with one another without fouling itself up. there is another software with equal attention to such details and thats, Clothing based software.. Marvelous Designer. which also does fine detail physx collision and calculations of various materials, hard and soft body. which i would assume can be used to setup a rig similar in results to ziva.
I'm not sure to understand what you explain about what the dneg head of creature said. And in fact dneg didn't aquiert ziva but only a lifetime license and a big part of the team. They don't have the source code anyway...
Why isn't there a ready made bone/muscle system ready to place and adjust in any 3d biped? Once that system was connected, it would shape the character's mesh in a realistic life-like way. That should be standard by now.
It's been the standard for years now. Ziva has anatomy transfer tools. For Houdini, well Houdini is Houdini, every studio has made their own transfer tools using Houdini
What about Houdini Procedural Anatomy? It's upcoming Beta, automatically generates skeleton and muscles based on your character mesh. Should be a game-changer
the only real alternative to ziva for now is Houdini muscle. The rest are just toys, and yes, like someone else pointed out, ML deformer on its own does nothing, is not really a solution
"the only alternative hou and BLENDER"? lol this blender muscle is not any better compared to all the old school muscle systems you have in each DCC, and it's not real simulation, just a jiggle deformer on top. Also besides the native old maya muscle system which by the way would do the same as this blender addon, you can also build a muscle system with nCloth in maya to have real simulation and interaction it would look much better and closer to what you would get with ziva. Make a search with ncloth maya muscle.
It wasn't said it was as good, but still an add-on you can try instead, besides while you can make the same with Blender native tools it doesn't mean you have to, it's easier with the add-on, then Adonis was presented for the cass of Maya, this video was clearly meant to present a solution for each tool, so whg leaving blender out of the picture? Yeah it's not as good, but why not giving it's fanbase something to work with?
@@fingfufar9878 why leaving other old school muscle systems in other DCC out of the picture? because they are the same old shit C4D has one, maya also has a muscle system. They all have nothing to do with ziva or something build with nCloth to have true simulation. So yeah it feels again more like a blender plug.
@@elconquistador3340 why mentioning all of them if they do all the same? And it was also hinted at the end of the video anyways, and why would they use ncloth in Maya that wasn't even made for that when you can use Adonis, a proper muscle simulation software?
@@fingfufar9878 "why mentioning all of them if they do all the same" is this a joke? bro the title of the video is about the ALTERNATIVES, and for your information before ziva maya nCloth was used on movies for muscles, because it's much more accurate and closer to what you would get with ziva. So it definitely fits in the alternatives, that are much closer to ziva in results vs the other gimmick.
another reason why open source its important.
Thank you for wrapping up the top solutions, you definitely nailed it. Possible correction, UE5 ML Deformer is not a stand alone solution or alternative to the other options you kindly described. ML Deformer uses an external muscle simulation to provide training data for ML Deformer. Actually in the sample provided by epic, they used Houdini muscle simulation to generate the training data. So, ML Deformer doesn't work on its own.
2:27 they had a version of muscle system in houdini that thty removed in the 20.0 version and they still haven't brought in a fully working version to it yet.
Some of the tutorials you were showing come from the 18.0 version. Also frequently you shared video of the guy modelling hand muscles. However that is not the muscle system you were talking about.
The old was developed by the russian studio main road post and sidefx implemented it but they decided to remove it and implement a new system from scratch.
Excellent video.
I'm waiting for an alternative to their face training system. That was a BIG deal!
First Comment let’s go!!! Love your videos btw you are the addon god of blender.
The real key with ziva was its fine attention to distance volume and collision. as such it features made the properties between skin fat and muscles work in conjunction with one another without fouling itself up. there is another software with equal attention to such details and thats, Clothing based software.. Marvelous Designer. which also does fine detail physx collision and calculations of various materials, hard and soft body. which i would assume can be used to setup a rig similar in results to ziva.
have been tried X-muscle and it still far away from Houdini
Is Maya Muscle not an option? what will become the industry standard?
Maya muscule system is also a viable option
I'm not sure to understand what you explain about what the dneg head of creature said. And in fact dneg didn't aquiert ziva but only a lifetime license and a big part of the team. They don't have the source code anyway...
Why isn't there a ready made bone/muscle system ready to place and adjust in any 3d biped?
Once that system was connected, it would shape the character's mesh in a realistic life-like way.
That should be standard by now.
It's been the standard for years now. Ziva has anatomy transfer tools. For Houdini, well Houdini is Houdini, every studio has made their own transfer tools using Houdini
1:28 brick by brick
What about Houdini Procedural Anatomy? It's upcoming Beta, automatically generates skeleton and muscles based on your character mesh. Should be a game-changer
Blender can achieve this simulation using cloth modifier pinning bones and tendons simulating muscles and skin
Build it yourself diy
It works great
doesn`t Cascadeur have something?
when it comes to muscle simulation (and things like soft body physics), no, it doesn't
maybe they'll add something like this in the future...
@@quintussilenius4324 ah i see
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Hope they stay relevant, Houdini muscle system isnreally impressive, and the new rigging they have done wow. They come up woth real reusable rigs
the only real alternative to ziva for now is Houdini muscle. The rest are just toys, and yes, like someone else pointed out, ML deformer on its own does nothing, is not really a solution
pirated version
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"the only alternative hou and BLENDER"? lol this blender muscle is not any better compared to all the old school muscle systems you have in each DCC, and it's not real simulation, just a jiggle deformer on top. Also besides the native old maya muscle system which by the way would do the same as this blender addon, you can also build a muscle system with nCloth in maya to have real simulation and interaction it would look much better and closer to what you would get with ziva. Make a search with ncloth maya muscle.
It wasn't said it was as good, but still an add-on you can try instead, besides while you can make the same with Blender native tools it doesn't mean you have to, it's easier with the add-on, then Adonis was presented for the cass of Maya, this video was clearly meant to present a solution for each tool, so whg leaving blender out of the picture? Yeah it's not as good, but why not giving it's fanbase something to work with?
why do you always misquote? I don't understand this lobbying of yours, if you don't like the channel, just don't watch it
@@fingfufar9878 why leaving other old school muscle systems in other DCC out of the picture? because they are the same old shit C4D has one, maya also has a muscle system. They all have nothing to do with ziva or something build with nCloth to have true simulation.
So yeah it feels again more like a blender plug.
@@elconquistador3340 why mentioning all of them if they do all the same? And it was also hinted at the end of the video anyways, and why would they use ncloth in Maya that wasn't even made for that when you can use Adonis, a proper muscle simulation software?
@@fingfufar9878 "why mentioning all of them if they do all the same" is this a joke? bro the title of the video is about the ALTERNATIVES, and for your information before ziva maya nCloth was used on movies for muscles, because it's much more accurate and closer to what you would get with ziva. So it definitely fits in the alternatives, that are much closer to ziva in results vs the other gimmick.