PROTO-CELTIC & PROTO-ITALIC

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 175

  • @wifilte9915
    @wifilte9915 10 місяців тому +209

    It is ironic that Romans and Gauls were actually close cousins.😅

    • @Mirko1913
      @Mirko1913 10 місяців тому +51

      It's surprising that both groups diverged from common ancestors rather recently and yet differed so much in terms of physical appearance. As Italics, the Roman majority would perhaps be brunette while the Gauls struck contemporary authors with their characteristic fair complexion. Environment can do wonders to phenotypes of even the closest relatives.

    • @wifilte9915
      @wifilte9915 10 місяців тому +44

      @Mirko1913 Etruscan and Greek civilization heavily influenced Romans and it made the great cultural differences between Romans and Gauls

    • @bacicinvatteneaca
      @bacicinvatteneaca 10 місяців тому +24

      @@Mirko1913 both of them mixed with the Old European substrate, which was different in Italy vs northwestern Europe. The substrate populations themselves were ultimately related to each other, but they had split far earlier

    • @bil2102
      @bil2102 10 місяців тому +6

      No. The Celtici came to Europe much later, in bronze age.

    • @Nissardpertugiu
      @Nissardpertugiu 10 місяців тому +2

      @@bil2102 There were ligurian too, everbody avoid mention them, in south piemont- liguria extended into Cuntea de Nissa, its huge ligurian also complexion rooted

  • @pawelsz007locp
    @pawelsz007locp 10 місяців тому +97

    I heard somewhere something like that: when Romans were about to conquer Gaul they ordered to send commands and basically use Greek because Romans worried that Celts could deduct the meaning of orders due to lingual similarities of their languages

    • @michaelm-bs2er
      @michaelm-bs2er 10 місяців тому +4

      Can you provide a source on that please?

    • @pawelsz007locp
      @pawelsz007locp 10 місяців тому +5

      @@michaelm-bs2er Unfortunately, I can't find it. It was a reddit post or a comment by someone where they mentioned that.

    • @michaelm-bs2er
      @michaelm-bs2er 10 місяців тому

      @@pawelsz007locp fair. I'll look for it online. Thanks

    • @elvyn8709
      @elvyn8709 10 місяців тому +11

      Roman = Hellenicized Celts.

    • @michaelm-bs2er
      @michaelm-bs2er 10 місяців тому +9

      @@elvyn8709 Celts = Germans west of the Rhine

  • @Joshayne
    @Joshayne 10 місяців тому +190

    Celtic and Italic languages should be groupped as Italo-Celtic languages just like the Balto-Slavic languages

    • @premroymathematicsclasses1969
      @premroymathematicsclasses1969 10 місяців тому +35

      & Indo-Iranian

    • @NerdyLlama21
      @NerdyLlama21 10 місяців тому +39

      Great observation. I've always wondered if Romance and Celtic languages are more related to each other than to other IE languages.

    • @MB-tb6jy
      @MB-tb6jy 10 місяців тому +9

      Some, do group them together

    • @AntonyCamper
      @AntonyCamper 10 місяців тому +9

      Это уже сделано. Такая группа языков, как итало-кельтская уже существует. Просто многие об этом не знают. ))

    • @m8m810
      @m8m810 10 місяців тому +10

      ​​@NerdyLlama21 as Pole living in Italy and speaks both languages, i can assure you that i understand quite a bit more of Lithuanian and Latvian than i can understand any Welsh or Irish. Both with or without text shown.

  • @henriquealmeida8511
    @henriquealmeida8511 8 місяців тому +24

    Italian and Irish
    🇮🇹 🇮🇪
    1 uno aon
    2 due dó
    3 tre trí
    4 quattro ceathair
    5 cinque cúig
    6 sei sé
    7 sette seacht
    8 otto ocht
    9 nove naoi
    10 dieci deich

    • @Raptorozaur
      @Raptorozaur 2 місяці тому +1

      Ukrainian:
      1-odyn
      2-dva
      3-try
      4-chotyry
      5-piat’
      6-shist’
      7-sim
      8-visim
      9-dev’yat’
      10-desyat’

  • @izzahdion732
    @izzahdion732 9 місяців тому +17

    it is so magic how similar they are! proto celtic and proto italic it is like one language but with a different accent / dialect.

    • @BGM16
      @BGM16 3 місяці тому +1

      Well, both languages are sons of Proto Indoeuropean language.

  • @DanielgtaLaw
    @DanielgtaLaw 10 місяців тому +23

    The Proto (ancient) languages in the world are cool to learn (perhaps these two languages), but if anyone’s interested in learning about ancient languages; this channel is right for you

  • @guernica5413
    @guernica5413 10 місяців тому +6

    Finally! I was expecting so long for this kind of video from you. My main expectations are the comparisons with the most primary proto-languages, such as proto-turkic, proto-uralic and proto-austronesian, those of which you have videos in this channel. But the many proto-languages of individual branches are also more than welcomed!

  • @josephkolodziejski6882
    @josephkolodziejski6882 10 місяців тому +11

    In Latin:
    Ovis, cui lana non erat,
    vidit equos,
    tum vehiculum grave vehentem,
    tum onus magnum,
    tum hominem ociter ferentem.
    Ovis equis dixit:
    Cor(d) dolet mihi videnti hominem equos agentem.
    Equi dixerunt:
    Audi, ovis, cor dolet nobis (hoc) videntibus:
    homo potis lanam ovium facit sibi formam(?) vestem,
    ovibusque lana non (iam) est.
    Hoc audito ovis (in) agrum confugit.

  • @pabloalvez915
    @pabloalvez915 10 місяців тому +24

    Great video as usual. In Northern Italy, Proto Italic borrowed from Etruscan (Tyrsenian Family) because the PI tribes interacted a lot with both Etruscans and Rhaetics (another Tyrsenian population), and specialists say Tuscany still has a big deal of Etruscan DNA in its population, due to ages of mixing with Italics long after the fall of the Etruscan kingdoms.
    Congratulations and keep it up
    💖🌹🤠

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 10 місяців тому +6

      Genetically speaking, the etruscans were not different from other central italic populations

    • @Nissardpertugiu
      @Nissardpertugiu 10 місяців тому +1

      But in north we're a cross of Anatolian farmers with Ligurians and some Celtic

    • @GolAcheron-fc4ug
      @GolAcheron-fc4ug 8 місяців тому

      were Etruscans y-haplogroup i ?
      I’m curious to know where the haplogroup came from because most european people are a variant of haplogroup R

    • @Ajemone
      @Ajemone 3 місяці тому

      @@GolAcheron-fc4ug J2 and R1b with the first arrive of the Italo-Celtic (especial R1b-U152)

    • @GolAcheron-fc4ug
      @GolAcheron-fc4ug 3 місяці тому

      @@Ajemone Wow! Etruscans were J2? That’s interesting. Perhaps they were related to the original Minoans!

  • @AnthonyEvelyn
    @AnthonyEvelyn 25 днів тому +2

    My thinking is both proto Italic and proto Celtic tribes pushed into Northern Italy together, the dominant Celts held the northern plains known as Cisalpine Gaul while the Italian tribes had to go south. The italic tribes came under Etruscan and Hellenic influences, they slowly began to be civilized as Mediterranean peoples and diverge strongly in culture from their Celtic cousins.

    • @Ajemone
      @Ajemone 24 дні тому +1

      Yea you are pretty correct, and the Etruscans where 74% R1b by haplogroups and a dna and haplogroups very close to the Latins/first Romans. Meanwhile the Greeks they never be Indoeuropeans but Anatolian Neolitch Farmers (with a strong presence of North West African haplogroups E-V13) with really low Indoeuropean dna like 15%, now they have the 30-35%. And when they started to colonize Suth Italy they brings whit them more Neolitch dna and East Mediterranean in the Population of Italics mixed with the Neolitchs here before and change the genetics of Italy even today.

  • @ansuzsociety
    @ansuzsociety 10 місяців тому +1

    Very cool, thank you!

  • @pabloalvez915
    @pabloalvez915 10 місяців тому +7

    Etruscans were to Italy what Basques are to Spain and Ainu to Japan.

  • @Trey2dope
    @Trey2dope 10 місяців тому +2

    Thank you so much😊

  • @Yash_Alava
    @Yash_Alava 10 місяців тому +6

    @ILoveLanguages will there be a video about proto-Slavic and proto-Baltic?

  • @justinnamuco9096
    @justinnamuco9096 9 місяців тому +1

    As a speaker of one, it's nice that I almost completely understand the other.

  • @vitormedeiros
    @vitormedeiros 10 місяців тому +4

    Seems like the same distance between Portuguese and Italian, whilst Proto-Germanic to Proto-Italic seems like the same distance as Portuguese to Wallon.

  • @namutnipp
    @namutnipp 10 місяців тому +4

    amazing💕

  • @user-123q
    @user-123q 10 місяців тому +13

    _Celtic languages ​​are most intelligible within the Indo-European family, especially with other Celtic languages. However, there are also some similarities and limited intelligibility with other Indo-European families such as Germanic languages ​​and Romance languages_

    • @Lampchuanungang
      @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +3

      🏆👏🍾🥂👍👍🍻🍹🌟🎖️🥇🥳⭐🙏🫂💙

  • @siyabongamviko8872
    @siyabongamviko8872 10 місяців тому +9

    Someone: Who are these 9?
    Proto-Celtic: No one!

  • @Cyrusthegreat2928
    @Cyrusthegreat2928 10 місяців тому +3

    Is Zazaki similar to the Parthian language?

  • @Hamzachebbi137
    @Hamzachebbi137 10 місяців тому +1

    Nice video ❤️💪💪

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi 8 місяців тому +1

    Nice.

  • @teammothy5297
    @teammothy5297 10 місяців тому +1

    Do Tetum and Fijian, I saw the numbers looked somewhat similar

  • @danielbrzozowski2930
    @danielbrzozowski2930 10 місяців тому +7

    I heard somewhere that the gauls could read and understand roman texts taken from messengers, so high was the intelligibility
    Didn't help much in the end but anyways

    • @caioluccatone4725
      @caioluccatone4725 10 місяців тому +2

      The Romans switched to Greek

    • @danielbrzozowski2930
      @danielbrzozowski2930 10 місяців тому

      @@caioluccatone4725 the east ones

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@danielbrzozowski2930no, he meant that during the gaul campaign the romans used to write letters using the greek language, since the gauls were already used to latin

    • @danielbrzozowski2930
      @danielbrzozowski2930 10 місяців тому

      @@esti-od1mz oh such educating, thank you for an explanation!

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 10 місяців тому +1

      @@danielbrzozowski2930 no worries, the other comment could be easily misunderstood

  • @dalubwikaan161
    @dalubwikaan161 10 місяців тому +3

    Were they dialects at that time?

  • @dboy-uo1xp
    @dboy-uo1xp 10 місяців тому +7

    Did the Celtic and Italic languages originate from the same root called proto-celto-italic?

    • @Andominicus
      @Andominicus 6 місяців тому +5

      Possibly
      It's likely that when the Proto-Indo-European Speakers left the Pontic Steppe, and west into Europe, they spoke a variety of Proto-Indo-European called Northwest Proto-Indo-European. This Daughter language of PIE is likely the ancestor of the Germanic Languages, Italic Languages, and Celtic Languages, before their respective Proto-Languages. Years back we believed that before Proto-Italic, and Proto-Celtic, and after Northwest Proto-Indo-European, there was Proto-Italo-Celtic, which makes sense, however that idea has lost favour in recent years, so it's likely that Proto-Italic and Proto-Celtic diverged equally from Northwest Proto-Indo-European (along side Proto-Germanic).

    • @nsa6865
      @nsa6865 3 місяці тому +3

      italics and celts both come from the same mixes of bell beaker peoples who had r1b y-dna (which doesnt matter but it suggests the male populations all had common origins). Mixtures of EEF and Early Steppe arrivals concluded by many to be earlier yamnaya related peoples. Both have a common origin around the north balkans and then made a drastic split with some moving through the italian mountains and some crossing the adriatic and probably becoming rather hellenized. Eventually most will be hellenized regardless. You can see in the metallurgy cultures of both early celts and italics they have great similarity. Early Villanovans use Antennae swords and montefortino like helmets which are reminiscent of their celtic counterparts. The Oscan tribes of Southern and South-Central italy also maintained a high similarity with their Celtic cousins especially in regards to their lifestyle and appearance. Oscans use to practice a sort of democratic elder government same as the Gauls are described. Choosing a Dictator from among the common representatives during wartime. They have seriously apparently commonalities with the Ibero-Celts in their arms and methods of war. Similar level of hellenizing as well. Samnites, Lucani, Campani and Ausones also were not quite fond of Rome and often tried to sack them or raid their related city states in italy. As far as siding with Pyrrhus and Hannibal. Linguistically Oscan bears many similarities as well.

    • @Ajemone
      @Ajemone 3 місяці тому

      @@nsa6865 Hai ragione su tutto

    • @nsa6865
      @nsa6865 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Ajemone grazie fra 💪

  • @ataozkal8867
    @ataozkal8867 8 місяців тому +4

    What about "Italo-Celtic" ?

  • @SunveOG
    @SunveOG 10 місяців тому +1

    Can you do toki pona? It's easy!

  • @tizgerard_9816
    @tizgerard_9816 10 місяців тому +3

    What about Proto-Germanic? Can it be placed in the middle between Italo-Celtic languages and Balto-Slavic ones among IE languages?

  • @Fluffy_Penguin727
    @Fluffy_Penguin727 10 місяців тому +4

    Can you do a comparison of Gothic compared to Old Low German please?

  • @ggarzagarcia
    @ggarzagarcia 10 місяців тому +5

    Damn, that sounded so foreign to me, like Latin + Etruscan + Gaul? + Greek?
    I can only understand 30% of this, knowing Spanish, Italian, and some Portuguese and French…with a small understanding of Latin. 😮

    • @mapache-ehcapam
      @mapache-ehcapam 9 місяців тому +1

      Me knowing only English and Spanish, I understand 0% of this

  • @Hyperion-5744
    @Hyperion-5744 10 місяців тому

    Let's see a comparison with proto indo european, proto celtic and sanskrit.

  • @huynhphat369
    @huynhphat369 10 місяців тому +1

    1. Vulgar Latin and Gaulish,
    2. Ancient Greek and Thracian, Illyrian and Dacian
    3. Old English and Frisian
    please 🙏

    • @MixerRenegade95
      @MixerRenegade95 3 місяці тому +2

      @Turkish__ModelMayhaps what You're saying is not true, ever thought of that?

  • @Rasytojas1980
    @Rasytojas1980 10 місяців тому

    Sounds similar to Lithuanian/Latvian

  • @religionisatragedy8537
    @religionisatragedy8537 10 місяців тому +2

    What language branch are the germanic languages closest to?

    • @alajira552
      @alajira552 15 днів тому

      baltic

    • @Mothman156
      @Mothman156 12 днів тому +1

      @@alajira552 Not really. Germanic languages are Centum while Baltic are satem.

    • @alajira552
      @alajira552 12 днів тому

      @@Mothman156 Yes Baltic languages had the early palatalisation changes that Germanic ones did not, but nevertheless they are a bit closer to the Germanic branch than Celtic is. Balto-Slavic had an east to west dialect continuum and the westernmost speakers who lived near modern-day Poland and Hungary were closer to Germanic languages. Baltic languages like Old Prussian and Lithuanian are arguably closer to Germanic languages than Welsh and Irish Gaelic.

    • @alajira552
      @alajira552 12 днів тому

      Celtic languages may seem closer because of high influence from English but I think Baltic are genetically less distant

  • @rifqymaulanaazhar573
    @rifqymaulanaazhar573 10 місяців тому +3

    Until now I'm wondering if France is actually a Romance country from the language or Celtic of the population, especially from the name of the country that comes from Germanic tribes

    • @virgilflowers9846
      @virgilflowers9846 10 місяців тому

      It’s definitely Romance, but nonetheless the similarities between Gaulish and Latin in particular are a bit jarring. It seems those simulators went quite a ways back as well

    • @Lampchuanungang
      @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +3

      😅😅😅😅 France is a salad which that strongs influences and bases are latin and celitcs and iberics too, germanics in France were assimilated by others ethnicies 👍👍👍🍻

  • @user-zp1qk3rx2t
    @user-zp1qk3rx2t 10 місяців тому +2

    ItaloCeltic, BaltoSlavic, IndoAryan and Germanic...

  • @benjiegroff-kt1zq
    @benjiegroff-kt1zq 10 місяців тому +10

    Many of the comments are saying that Celtic and Italic should be lumped together as Italo-Celtic. I can definitely see where that comes from, but the general consensus among linguists is that they form a sprachbund, which is two languages or language groups that exchanged features over time, therefore becoming more similar. It’s just like the Altaic hypothesis.

  • @Fezeye01
    @Fezeye01 10 місяців тому +3

    Almost similar!

  • @tseringlama8616
    @tseringlama8616 10 місяців тому

    Tamangic language please

  • @AEAG9YT_
    @AEAG9YT_ 10 місяців тому

    compare Sanskrit and Latin

  • @Kimtv2023
    @Kimtv2023 9 місяців тому +2

    원시 켈트어
    원시 이탈리아어

  • @456H
    @456H 10 місяців тому +2

    *Outside the tree 🌲🌳 Indo-European linguistics Celtic languages are isolated at a high level and do not communicate in any way with other language trees in the real world.*

    • @Lampchuanungang
      @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +1

      🍻👍💙🫂🙏⭐🥳🥇🎖️🌟🍹🥂🍾👏🏆🌷🌆🌃💪

  • @michaelm-bs2er
    @michaelm-bs2er 10 місяців тому

    What evidence is there to support the idea that two split off from an earlier common ancestor?
    How reliable is the reconstruction of either?

    • @empyrionin
      @empyrionin 9 місяців тому +1

      Read up on proto Indo European

    • @michaelm-bs2er
      @michaelm-bs2er 9 місяців тому +2

      @@empyrionin I meant within indo European. How do we know they didn't split off from Indo-European in separate branches

  • @andreimateian3240
    @andreimateian3240 9 місяців тому

    Best proof against all the latinization theories out there!
    Take the later Latin borrowed words (mostly scientific, cleric or administrative) out of French, and you won't be able to say for sure if French is a Latin language or a Gaulle one!
    The same is true for Spanish, Portuguese and most likely for Romanian as well.

  • @UrLocalSergioalberto.207
    @UrLocalSergioalberto.207 10 місяців тому +1

    Ex Soviet Languages
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    Belarus
    Georgia
    Kazakhstan
    Kyrgistan
    Moldova
    Russia
    Tajikistán
    Turkmenistán
    Ukraine
    Uzbekistan

  • @elvyn8709
    @elvyn8709 10 місяців тому +2

    Proto-Italic = Etruscanized Celtic.

  • @Al-Shaheedi
    @Al-Shaheedi 10 місяців тому +5

    Italic is civilised the other is not

    • @FieldLing639
      @FieldLing639 10 місяців тому +9

      There's something wrong with you.

  • @IllyrianPower214
    @IllyrianPower214 10 місяців тому +1

    Can you please do Proto-Albanian next