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Outside UK that Vauxhall Astra GTE is Opel Kadett GSI.
And many many other badges
In the US it was the Pontiac LeMans.
Yeah , Vauxhall is GM . Same car gets different Badges in different Markets . Australia HOLDEN Astra .
@@RunePenrod and Asuna GT in Canada, and also Passport Optima and different name Daewoos too... 😄
But not sure is it offered as sportier GTE/GSI models in all of those brands.
My dad owned the 1300 model 😂 Hooked a caravan to it and went from the Netherlands to Austria... with minimal overheating during the summer 😂👌
as an owner of a '89 205 gti in original condition, i approve.
Há, the GTI is a slug compared to the rallye lol ( the euro specked one 103 horse power ), jocking a side, the 205 was by far the most fun car i ever drove.
Nice 👍
Not dead yet? Kind of a performance by itself lol
@@guiguijol 240K on the clock today when i arrived home from work.
@@jmirsp4zas a kid born early 80's, I loved the 205 gti and renault 5 turbo. Still have the steel toy versions of those in the attic.
That Renault 5 Turbo wasn't their only weird hot hatch, they made Clio V6 RS in the early 00s. Also mid mounted, also rear-wheel drive.
Was working in Southampton Docks at the time and off loaded a few of the V6's. With the low ground clearance and he angle of the ramps the first couple got their spoilers ripped off.
The Renault 5 Turbo was a road legal version of a rally car and central engine hatchbacks aren't proper hot hatches since they dont have the same practicality without rear seats and significant boot space. The hot hatch version of the Renault 5 and Clio are the R5 Alpine/Alpine Turbo (Gordini/Gordini Turbo in the UK), the Supercinq GT Turbo, and the Clio S16/Williams/RS.
@@chucku00 A mate had a Gordini rapid up to 70/80 but noisy.
@@dinger40 Yup, I had an Alpine Turbo (continental Europe name), it was a hoot but tiresome on long distances, heavy steering and its nonsensical longitudinal engine. As a consequence, you gotta have a specific spark plug wrench to change the last spark plug that was litteraly just under the front windscreen or have to remove the bonnet locking mechanism.
My following 205 GT had way better road handling and reliability, overall similar average speed capacity (not as quick on the 0 to 60mph, tho), long distance trips were a breeze BUT even if I'm nowadays an old "see you next tuesday" if I had to choose between the two I'd prefer to get another Renault 5 Alpine Turbo.
_L'amour a ses raisons que la raison ignore..._
Dont forget the williams clio
Frenchman here, when was 20 in the end of 80's, i wanted 205 GTI or Golf GTI ... but i've got an old 2cv 😁
Which is actually better in terms of financial investment.
Io la R4,prima. Poi la 205Gti
might not have the fun factor of the 205 but that old 2cv is an icon!
Now that is considered just as cool just different :) so you're cooler with .. some lag :)
French Bug... 😂
The 205 GTi is considered the benchmark for hot hatches even 30 years after it was released. Recently voted the greatest hot hatch ever. Peugeot still use it to advertise their more recent cars but none have really come close
Yeah but never drove a MG Maestro Turbo. I had a 205 GTI 1.9, fantastic car, but the Maestro was insane.
The Renault 5 Turbo was notoriously devious to drive. The turbo often broke traction on the rear wheels and sent even decent drivers off the road. I want one. 😁
Rear wheel drive, 80's turbo with a lag measured with calendar... When it kicks in, all the hell breaks loose. 🤣
The Renault 5 Alpine Turbo front wheel drive.I was a proud owner of a 84.110 HP and only 850 kilo. 0 to 100 Kph in 9,2 sec.
My dad drove for a car rental company at Wolfsburg and he told me that he was scared from Fiat Uno turbo I.E. 1.300 with 105 bhp 700 kilograms weight and 175 wheels at 130 kmh in fifth gear he pushed down his throttle foot and the frontwheels at 82 miles turned through and he was so scarred. 0 to 60 it went 8 seconds..
My 5 Turbo was chipped, rapid was an understatement...
Trouble with the turbo was inevitable though.
@@luudscheffers6988 Heavy steering, tiresome on long trips, nonsensical spark plugs (only the Citroën Visa Chrono 2 shared the same model), the last spark plug hidden under the windscreen so you'd need a special articulated sparkplug wrench if you didn't want to remove the bonnet locking mechanism when you needed to change the sparkplugs, the car stereo that was slowly cooked by the proximity of the engine, the 3 fragile wheel lugs that snapped like crystal if you locked them just a bit too much...
But if I had the opportunity to get another one I'll take it in a heartbeat. In French, we call this _l'amour vache._ It hurts but it feels good overall.
Renault Turbo 5 has it's roots on mad days of the rallying on Group B. That's why it is mid engine, similar stuff were also Peugeot 205 - 205 T16. FIA homologation cars for group b.
yeah, the 205 T16 série 200, it was the homologation car for the group B, the few differences between the street legal and race car were the de-rated engine for reliability and meeting the pollution limits of the time, the mandatory security features that were absent from the race car and that was it, with next to no effort, you could have a 205 T16 rallye ready to race.
Nope, the Renault 5 Turbo has been developped as a Group 4 car just before the new Group B specs were released, that's why it's a two wheel drive car. However, Renault made this car evolve to try to keep up with Group B cars so the Maxi 5 Turbo arrived but aside of winning on dry tarmac roads (Tour de Corse) it never won any other WRC rally. _La messe était dite_ for the rally version but the road legal one became a surprising commercial success with the Renault 5 Turbo 2.
@@chucku00 Also some compromises were done on the Turbo 2 compared to the Turbo, as the 2's interior was pretty much the normal one, whereas the original one had a nearly bespoke one. But as the Turbo was the real homomlogation special, it was also much less produced to begin with, whereas the Turbo2 was not in such a limited run (but were still rare, and even rarer nowadays as a lot of those ended up crashing, thanks to the brutal power delivery of the 80's turbo on the rear wheels on such a short wheelbase)
I had a 1991 Fiat Uno Turbo, 1.4 liter Turbo Intercooled engine, five speed manual, curb weight under 2000 lbs with 122 raging ponies. It was a beast :)
Nicole, papa 🤣🤣🤣
Great shout, my friend had one and it was an animal. Had a MOMO steering wheel from factory
The Lotus Sunbeam should've been on that list.
Absolute "Turbo Nutter Bastard" car.
It wasn't a Turbo. Twin carbs, but it was Lotus.
My mum had a Sunbeam Ti in the late 70's, in Moonstone Blue with the black stripe down the side. She wasn't that into fast cars, but my Dad was (he had a series 2 XJ6, the 4.2). She* later swapped the Talbot for a Fiat 131 Sport, this time in yellow (but again with a black stripe down the side). Both of them'd be worth a fair bit these days, if they'd managed to survive this long (which I seriously doubt, given their propensity to turn into rust).
*well, she didn't, but my Dad did.
My cousin had a lotus sunbeam, in bright yellow, we referred to it as the flying banana. He had it about 6 mnths until someone robbed it and very smartly hid it in a field of rape seed (those bright yellow plants you fields of ) so cops couldnt see it with a helicopter. Then they stripped it for parts, even took the rubber floor mats and gear stick knob and just left an empty shell. Eventually it was found, insurance paid out and he got himself an old late 60's early 70's lotus elan.
Technically a 70s hot hatch although made into the 80s and could say pretty much the same for the very similar engined Chevette HS too 😆
Don't forget "fannymagnet roadshagger!"
The most valuable is the Renault R5 Turbo... They go from 100000 USD up to 300000 USD if they are in mint condition.
they missed the 205 T16 Série 200 in that list, that would be the most valuable and rare one, most of them has been wrecked or modified to race, there are less than 10 cars still in their original configuration, some people are trying to get a few modified T16 in their stock config, with parts that are still available (very difficult to find, but not impossible), I believe that only the chassis and engine are number matched, so if you have both and OG parts even from different cars, it should be as valuable as an unmodified one.
Yep sadly i would love to get one someday.
The Opel Kadett GSI and the Peugeot 205 GTi are getting very rare same for the Escort and Fiesta on this list.
Dont know about the Volvos i have to say but in my country germany you will find the Golf 2 GTi the most from this list but even the Golf 2 GTi is getting more rare and the prizes going up for all cars.
A 'normal' Renault R5 Alpine Turbo with frontengine is a good Hot Hatch too. And much cheaper.
@@Eytaris not realy this are Group B homoglations Cars and the most expansive ones are the Ferrari 288GTO and the Porsche959, all other group b cars are much cheaper becouse the companys had problems to sell there cars. Like the Ford RS200 at the end Ford sell the RS200 to his employes for 10000£ or the Lancia DeltaS4 later Lancia changed the interieur(to complet Alcantara) +the Gearbox for higher Topspeed from 205km/h to 215km/h.... a German Magazine write about the S4: you must have a very strong personality to pay 165.000German Mark for a car only to be slower as a 7 times cheaper MK2 Golf GTI 16V on the German Autobahn. A Porsche 911 Turbo(930) cost 100K at the same Time.
The first way you said Peugeot sounded pretty good. Definitely the best pronunciation of any American I've heard
I had a 205 GTi as a replacement while my car was being serviced. It had the 1.9 litre injection engine and weighed NOTHING. The gas pedal was like a speed control with the acceleration being almost instantaneous. The whole time I drove it, I had a grin from ear to ear. Huge fun!
The Volvo 340/360 was actually built and developed in the Netherlands as an DAF 77. When Volvo bought DAF the design was almost finished and was slightly changed to look more like a Volvo. The smaller DAF 66 is also sold for a while as a Volvo 66. The Volvo 340/360 was an extremely popular car in Europe, you can still see them driving around here, although the 2.0 versions are very rare nowadays.
Fun fact; if you like crazy European car things, you should take a look at ‘Ter Land, Ter zee en in de Lucht’, it features a backwards racing on a real circuit. The DAF’s are the fastest cars to go backwards because of their special transmission (CVT), which can go as fast backwards as they can go forwards (around 110 km/h).
ua-cam.com/video/S68JJHXipyE/v-deo.htmlsi=KHyqGk4wgzxz3GGM
The backwards racing❤
We had a Volvo 360 GLT in the family but just as sedan. It was real fun to drive, especially to chase BMWs! 🤪In the 80s about120 hp was a significant number here in Europe and the transaxle system (engine in front, transmission in the back) paid off.
Loved my 340s the best way to learn car control with the rear leaf suspension and rear wheel drive. Balancing the car sideways along a snowy road was always fun. Were very sought after as drift cars for a while.
The Vauxhall Astra was sold as a Pontiac LeMans and Daewoo LeMans in the U.S. In Europe it was known as the Opel Astra.
Opel Kadett.
Opel Kadett though, not Astra.
Astra name didn't come before the generation that came in the 90's.
@@brrebrresen1367 Yes, I meant Kadett, sorry. Don't know why I wrote Astra. haha. Cheers.
fast to skip in the heat xD
Opel Kadett GSI was sold in America as the Pontiac LeMans GSE Aerocoupe.
Before I get into it... I REALLY hope the Citroen AX GT is there. Underrated, fantastic, wee car!
Booooo!! ☹ No AX GT, no Saab 99 Turbo, no FIAT Uno Turbo and no Lancia Delta Integrale. This list is incomplete!
That one or the Visa GTI.
Also missing the VW Corrado.
Nova gte nova Sri. Honda prelude mk1 2.2 I. Xr2i. The list can go on.
Fiat punto turbo
@@chriscollins550 As nice a car as a Prelude is, it's not a hot hatch. Oh, and no Mk I Prelude came with a 2.2 litre engine - the Mk I only came with 1.6 or 1.75 engines. I'm pretty sure the 2.2 was only available in the Mk IV & Mk V.
Now we are talking. I actually owned a few of these. You are right, with the narrow windy Euro roads these would smoke most American cars. That 5gt is beautiful.
6:43 to remind you about the 5 Turbo, in America as far as i know, was known as "Le Car" :D
The Le Car was the equivalent to the bog standard Renault 5 offered in Europe.
I don't think the US even got the Gordini version, let alone the wide body rear mounted fire breathing monster that was the 5 Turbo, a completely different animal.
We had a Ford Fiesta in the 80s as a family car. Took us over the Alps from Germany to Italy for a camping trip (3 people, luggage and our camping equipment).
We had one as well.
You where with 3...
We went with 5 on holidays in it...
I'm an Englishman in my 50's, first decent car I ever had was a Ford Escort XR3i, then had an Escort RS Turbo, and a Vauxhall Astra GTE 16 valve. Once I started working at a Private Bank, I moved up to Audi's and the like as company cars, but I still have rosy memories of those days in the early 90's, picking up your mates to go clubbing, then ragging the arse off the Astra on Saturday nights.........
The grandpa of all GTIs is the VW Golf GTI. In my youth we never said the full name. Only GTI was needed and everybody knew what car it was. 110 HP were enough for that light and wonderful handling "Rennsemmel" (Racingbun 😜) and it left quite "bigger" cars in the dust. I remember a little struggle with a Camaro. In the end it was faster in a straight line, but on the track that Golf blew it away. That Camaro driver bited in his cap and we laughed and had some beers.
I´m a former owner of a 1990 Peugeot/Gutmann 205 GTI with 140bhp. It was a fun (fwd!!!) car that you could drift with in the roundabouts. I also owned a 1987 Opel(Vauxhall) Kadett GSI 115bhp. That cars claim to fame was that it very aerodynamic and could (barely) reach 200 km/h at redline. I also owned the rare 1985 Mitsubishi Colt Turbo with 125bhp.
They didn't added the Autobianchu Y10 Turbo or the FIAT Uno Turbo i.e, they were like small monsters, very quick and fun to drive
The "bare su ruote" (coffin on wheels)
@@marco_grt4460 exactly, or another hot hatch could be the MK5, MK6 and MK7 Autobianchi A112 Abarth 70 HP (I own a MK6 one)
Or the Innocenti De Tomaso, Ritmo Abarth, and the Alfa 33 is a hatchback allthough 4 door, the Alfasud looks like it could have had a hatchback but only the Sprint coupe did, and just like the Civic CRX that apparently does not count as a hot hatch because it's too much a coupe.
@@DenUitvreter exactly, or even the Renault 5 GT Turbo too
@@Sceneemofemboy0666 I think most brands had one, but Fiat and Renault were among the more inspired ones. The Renault was a really pretty little car with the hot hatch package suiting it very well.
You should consider a video on the "flying coffins" or "coffins on wheels" of the 80s and 90s. There was a period in which the main manufacturers, to conquer the market of young lovers of sports driving, began to offer their small cars in the "on steroids" version. These small and very light little boxes were equipped with a more rigid suspension setup and turbo engines and caused the joy and misfortune of a couple of generations. Unfortunately, however, it was a rather difficult recipe to tame for inexperienced young people and often even for experts given that at the time the concept of safety was rather vague and tires and brakes were not those of today. For this reason they earned the name "flying coffins". Technically the Peugeot 205 GTI in this video falls into the category, but only partially because it wasn't turbo and had excellent suspension and brakes. The others were: Renault 5 turbo and later the Renault Clio 16 valve, the Fiat Uno turbo and later the Fiat Punto GT, the Lancia Y10 turbo, the Peugeot 205 and later the 106 (which both had various sports versions which still today monopolizes amateur or even high-level rally competitions, where, however, very large sums of money do not circulate) , the Ford Fiesta RS turbo and XR2, the Honda Civic VTI, the Citroën Saxo VTS, the Opel Corsa GSI 16 valves etc. It is absolutely worth discovering these crazy years that I was able to see but not experience firsthand and that a non-European has never even been able to see.
That Renault 5 GT turbo was also made front engine FWD with the 1.4 turbo. That one is more common, but still rare ofcourse. After that came the Renault Clio 16v.
Sort of.. The fwd hot version of THAT 5 Turbo and Turbo 2, was the Gordini.
The later GT Turbo was based on a redesigned Mk2 shell, totally different cars.
Wasn't the Gordini based on the group B car and is extremely rare. While the front engined version was the one which was sold to the public
@@pacplays848 The Turbo1 and 2 were Mk1 shells with rear mounted engine and rwd, with those massive arch extentions.
The Gordini was the "hot" version available to the public, Mk1 standard narrow shell, fwd with a tuned 1.4 but non turbo.
There was also the R5 Alpine Turbo. I had that one 1.4l and 108 bhp.
Oh wow. I had a Ford Escort RS 1600i and also a Fiesta XR2. I’ll never forget them. Very cool cars and I spent a part of my best time in my life with these cars 🥰
Honda, Opel, Renault, VW etc... They were all legendary in the 90's.
When driving was fun 😊🚘
The Renault 5 featured in a James Bond movie, and will be back on the market as an EV next month.
Yeees! It was a long chase scene, I remember
Was maybe grace jones driving?
Never Say Never Again was a weird James Bond movie that featured a cameo from Mr Bean (or was it Johnny English? 🤔) and Sean Connery coming back after 10 years, releasing the same year as the official Bond movie with Roger Moore in Octopussy. The new EV version of the Renault has already made its way to the Grand Theft Auto universe as the "Penaud La Coureuse"
@@user-xl2ox5ox9p Yes that is correct, well Grace Jones stunt double was driving.
The Renault 5 turbo 2 was also in never say never the film with Sean Connory and was driven by Barbara Bach l.
@@briangilbert4642That was in the movie itself, not in the video clip.
The Austin Metro had a hot hatch version, too, which is missing from this list.
The Volvo 340/360 actually started their lives as DAF design. Sadly Dutch car manufacturer DAF were on their last leg when they designed the car. They had stuck to their rather extremely yet really good older designs a bit too long and missed the train into the Seventies. When they teamed up with Porsche to design this transaxle gearbox car with superb balance, superb turning circle and extremely good ergonomy and economy, they were basically bankrupt. Volvo bought the DAF company thus, and sold the design as the Volvo 340 with the 1.3 litre Renault 4 cylinder. An EXTREMELY good engine. Very reliably and tunable and LOOONG lasting. I know of several that easily made it to over 300000 Km with no worries whatsoever. Designed in the Sixties!
When Volvo wanted more power, they adapted the 3 series for the red four cylinder block known from the 444, 544, 144, P1800, Amazons, 244… The regular version comes with 2 litre 113 hp, but as the stronger versions of that engine block have exactly the same dimensions, fitting the 2.3 turbo is not much of an issue.
…if you want that. the 2.3 litre B23E and F have been tuned and beefed up to putting out well over 200hp by tuners without turbos. Someone had claimed to have gotten 280 hp out off his.The 360 can be made one of the best handling and fastest hot hatches out there. 😉
I occasionally see videos where people take the B23s out of Volvos and replace them with V8s. As the common V8 blocks are roughly twice as heavy as the Volvo blocks, they throw the balance of the cars right out off the window, make them heavier in the front and thus taking traction away from the rear wheels. All I can tell them: You f*cked the opportunity to get a fast Volvo.
I really love the V8s, but light fast cars are not the place for them.
Loved my 340s, great fun. Also missed the Metro's bigger brother the Maestro. The MG Maestro was actually a decent Golf GTI competitor. I remember the adverts with the tag line " The Golf GTI will be along in a second" . The MG Maestro was quicker 0-60 by a second over the Golf GTI
A lesser known car but for me a hot hatch for sure, is the Citroen AX. I had a relatively base model with 60 hp and only 680 kg of weight. it was extreme fun.
there was a neighbor who was a barbouze, and he had incredible cars including the R5 Turbo red. She had an unusual look. he also had the Peugeot 205 T16... When he came to my aunt's farm with his cars, it was magical for me as a child.
The R5 Turbo was in "Never say never again" the getaway car of the female villain, Fatima Blush... 😂
The first version of the Ford Fiesta XR2 with 84 hp and 1.6 l engine was a blast to drive.
750 Kg empty weight.
Which means it is freaking fast for the speeds below 100 kph.
A BMW 323i has no chance against it to win the race at a traffic light e.g. and a BMW 323i has 150 hp.
Specialty that only existed in this series of Fiestas was: The steering wheel was tilted about 10-15°.
Left side was further away than the right side from you.
Why was this so great?
Well, it is easier to use the steering wheel one-handed, when parking, because it ergonomically goes with the natural motion of your arm.
I miss this in any other car, because it was so great.
It's also better for driving straight, because your arm position is more natural that way.
The XR2 was my favourite car. Then I got a Sierra Sapphire, and then that was my favourite car. Too much tech in modern cars and not enough visibility out the back window.
France, Italy, and Germany were the leader in the 80's of the hottest tiny rockets on the market. Golf 1 GTi VS 205 Gti VS Ritmo Abbarth were the pinnacle for me ^^
Back in the 70's and 80's it was extremely common for European manufacturers to take their small family cars and breath some sportiness into them. The intention of course was to entice people into the showrooms and perhaps sell them a family car from lower down the range. Fitting a more powerful engine, better suspension and brakes, bucket seats with red pinstriping, a front air-dam and rear spoiler, go faster graphics and an exclusive paint scheme became commonplace.
Several took it further and developed rally cars - think Peugeot 205, Renault 5, Escort Mexico and so on. It's surprising that cars like the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Toyota Corolla, Ford Sierra Cosworth and Lancia Delta Integrale weren't on the list
The 205 GTI actually had an 1.9 liter 8 valve with 130 horses. Then came the 1.6 also with 8v but less power. No clue why this happened tho, maybe displacement or emission tax or something...
Later on when the Saxo VTS came, since the 1.6s where similar bottom ends with different heads, people started making hybrids or fully swaping those engines into the 205s, at least I've seen a bunch of them swapped in Portugal and France as a kid.
EDIT: Yep I did confirm and indeed the 1.6 came for the first few years, but quickly replaced 2 years later with the 1.9. Always learning I guess lol
The 1.6 (1984) predated the 1.9 which was introduced in 1986.
@@jinxvrswas just about to say the same.
4:05 - Opel Kadett GSI in Germany !
All over Europe actually. It's only the Brits (and their Australian friends) who renamed / rebranded it Vauxhall.
@@dnocturn84wouldn’t it be Holden in Australia?
Same in South Africa.
Pontiac LeMans GSE Aerocoupe in the States!
Opel Monza in South Africa.
Days of those small light fun hut hatches only lasted a decade - all awesome fun back in the day
4:04 this is the Opel Kadett GSI wich is constructed at Opel in Rüsselsheim, Germany. Vauxhall was only the subsidiary from Great Britain and Vauxhall was only available on the island. Opel throughout Europe and Russia, at least at that time. Opel also used the Kadett in motorsports, where its 2.0 16v engine was also very successfully
The Volvo was a surprise!
Peugeot 306 GTi was what I wanted, but ended up with a MG Maestro EFi 2.0.
Most manufacturers had a Hot Hatch at the top of the range
Great fun!
Yes the MG’s were brilliant, especially in turbo guise, MG metro turbo would have gone nicely in this list
If you can call it a hot hatch for the time. the Volvo 480 Turbo or Citroen BX19 GTi are the one's for me (not in the list). its just so weird and cool. You often see all of these cars particularly at shows but occasionally driving about.
Agree with you.
I think the 205 stole the light from the bx and 309 gti 16v
Wich are a litte more grown up and realy fast.
Visa 1.6 GTi
Or one of the first hot batches the Fiat Strada Abarth. Would doubt any of them are left, the early ones could rust in a desert!
The Renault R5 Turbo has been in your videos from the Group B rally era. In Sweden the Volvo 340/360 was very popular, but not like the bigger models but there was a lot of them on the roads, later they had the Volvo 440/460 models. The last hot hatch was the Volvo C30 R-Design, Turbo 2.5L I5. 250 HP / 273 LB-FT. 6-Speed Manual.
Fun fact, those renault 5 turbo were known in my country as the widow makers, because chaces were that if you crashed in one of those, it would probably be a high speed collision againts a wall. Few cars remain today because they were that fast and accidents were common due to the sheer performance of those cars.
the renault 5 turbo was also used in many rallies
I think the only reason to sell the Renault 5 Turbo was to be able to use it in rallies. 😄
Pretty weird list. Not a single italian car (Fiat 127, Alfasud, Ritmo Abarth, the almighty Delta, etc.)? The Vauxhall is actually an Opel Kadett E. You might have seen those later on sold as Daewoo LeMans in the US. I don't think there was a hot version of that around though.
The Renault 5 Turbo is a totally different story than the rest of the cars shown. It's been a homologation car for the Group B rally R5. Peugeot had a mid-engined 205 for the same reason. Both cars were produced in limited numbers and had been way more expensive than the other cars shown here.
Good point my FIAT 105. TC would have gubbed most of those shown and those it couldn't there was always the FIAT 130TC
@@fuzielectron5172 there was in the netherlands a Fiat Ritmo Abarth 120 TC.
@@luudscheffers6988 never knew that, they were 130bhp here.
My father has bought a Fiat 127 in the past. When they opened the bonnet, they realize he got the Abarth version! (Those times, when communism ended here and the avarage dealers didnt know anything about western cars, he bought it for the normal 127 1.1 price) He loved that car so much, but they have to sell it a few months after I was born. My parents say, I always smiling and giggling, when they go for a ride with me in that 127. When my father revs it, I was giggling. So that was the moments, when I'm injected to love italian cars. In our family we got some french/german/japanese cars too, but always come back to our routes and use the italians :)
Italian rust rusted faster than any other country's rust, lol.
Cool vid and interesting to see the opinions from “across the pond” of a lot of cars I’ve grown up with. Some really cool cars featured and also definitely some missing. Over the years I’ve owned the 205’s big brother the 309 GTI, several Fiesta XR2’s, the Escort XR3i, RS1600i and RS Turbo versions and the Golf GTI. Of them all the Golf was the most user friendly but if I could only have one again it would be the RS1600i. That said a friend back in the day had an Astra GTE and it left the Escort and Golf for dead another had a R5 turbo and it was cool but always broken 😂! I currently still have a 91 Corrado G60 which despite being super fragile is great looking and great fun to drive (when it works but it is approaching 200k miles 😂) . Enjoyed the vid, new subscriber here 👍🏻
Opel kadett (second car) on American market was called Pontiac lemans
Good point, I also found Daewoo Le Mans, Asuna GT, Guangdong GTX5010x.
What!? No Lotus Talbot Sunbeam? Absolute beast of a road car, and a very very capable rallycar.
This is a bad ass car. I drove one in the Washington DC area with the Lotus eng. Rwd. Hard suspension. Owned by a rally driver whose name I forget. Fast and furious!!
Simca, Peugeot et Talbot! j'ai eu une Horizon! le nom en France de la Sunbean!
@@marc9080 mon francais n’est pas bon mais c’est tres awesome 😎
They were very rare, and rusted.
No denying they are a great hothatch, but it's not an 80's hatch, the Ti was released in 78 and the Lotus in 79.
in 1991 my 23 year old brother bought a 205 GTI 1.9. He only had it for 2/3 years. He let me drive it & I did around 3000 miles in it over that time & it had the best handling, braking, steering feel & accuracy (& could be as scary AF with the speed it generated), but was one of the best cars I've ever driven. Not long after I bought a mk1 Toyota MR2 & apart from the difference in build quality the Peugeot was in a different league. I have a1992 TVR 290 S3 & still lust after all of those utterly wonderful 205's capabilities.
Great content. I have driven the Astra GTE with the early digital dash display on a boys camping trip right round the small country roads of France 🇫🇷. Such great fun to drive. Peace and love from Australia ❤
Vauxhall is just the name of OPEL in the UK. Anywhere else on the planet it's OPEL, except the UK.
Opel Astra had a short life in Australia, but a long life as a Holden Astra
The smaller Volvo was developed by DAF before the car factory was sold to Volvo. The truck department continued as DAF. Most of these Volvo's had DAF Variomatic gearing, which made them extremely fast in taking off at traffic lights.
The variomatic was mated mostly with the Renault engine 1.400 cc and 72 bhp or so. It could go as fast rearward as frontward..
The 360 was using Volvo engines it was superseded by the 460 series from 1987 on which was superseded by the first V40/S40 series in 1998 produced parallel with the Mitsubishi Carisma in the Nederland Car factory..
The early models has variomatic, but after a few years they were also available with a manual gearbox, and I think that was the most common setup in the end, at least here in Sweden.
We have 2 peugeot 205 T16
It is the road version of the rally legend originaly has 200 HP the rally version had about 400 and ours is tuned to 1000HP also won the GermanRaceWars twice
Being a teenager back in the 90s these cars were so common and have been in all except the volvo. The majority of the hot hatches were wrapped round trees put in ditches or burnt out in fields after being nicked. My mate had a beautiful black Peugeot 1.9 205 Gti and stands out when I think back to be the one i thought was the best! Some of those cars are 10s of thousands these days.
I had a Peugeot 205 CTi, the GTi, but with a convertible roof. That really was a blast! I remember going through the Dartford Tunnel under the Thames at 110 mph, top down. Insane but had incredible handling.
You seen the Renault 5 in previous rally clips….you mentioned the big wide ass…you said at the time you didn’t know what it was 👍🏻
Very UK biased video it seems, that Vauxhall Astra G was ONLY in the UK, as in the rest of Europe that is an Opel Kadett E, as the Opel Astra G is an entirely different car.
The video caption is cut, the car in the picture is the Vauxhall Astra GTE. The Vauxhall Astra G is exactly the same as the Opel Astra G.
Yep that was a Kadett here, we got the GSI as the top version of that.
@@module79l28 Ah! good! I was a bit confused why it was a Astra G. XD
Yes, this would be a Vauxhall Astra E. Continental Europe has the Opel Kadett E. The first Opel Astra is the F.
In the USA it was sold as the Pontiac LeMans.
A little data update.
Versions of the Opel Kadett E/Vauxhall Astra:
1984-1993 Opel Kadett (Europe)
1984-1992 Vauxhall Astra/1986-1991 Vauxhall Belmont (U.K.)
1986-1989 Bedford Astramax/Astravan (U.K. sistercompany of Vauxhall specialized in Utility vehicles.)
1986-1992 Daewoo LeMans
1986-1995 Daewoo Racer
1988-1991 Passport Optima/1991-1993 Asüna GT (Canada)
1988-1992 Pontiac LeMans (USA)
1989-1991 Chevrolet Kadett (Brasil)
1994-1998 Daewoo Cielo (facelift)
1994-2008 Daewoo Nexia (European version of the Cielo)
2008-2016 Daewoo Nexia (2nd facelift)
?-? Opel Astra (Afrika/Nairobi)
My pal drove an Alfa Romeo GTV6 with a 2.5l V6 engine (you should hear one of those on a race track, they sound absolutely fabulous!). It easily drove 240 km/h on the German Autobahn. But one of those pesky Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9's was damn hard to shake off!
Renault 5 Turbo was made for rally, but they had to make X amount of road vehicles in order to be able to compete. Kinda like with the Subaru Impreza WRC.
That Volvo 360 body was designed by DAF just before they sold off their fourwheeler business and factory in the Netherlands to Volvo.
The fun of a hot hatch is been able to use 100% of the performance available, especially on our narrower and tighter European roads. They are not very fast at all by today's standards, something like a new Golf R would absolutely blow them away. But modern hot hatches like the Golf R are now so quick you can't get close to the edge of their performance on public roads. The joy of these older ones is you could, and therein lies the fun.
Streamline became so popular, cw value
I had the 1.9 GTi
12:22: My first car at the age of 18 in the summer of 1988 was a used Volvo 343 DL with 71 HP / 52 kW. (Series 300, 4 cylinders, 3 doors) in the color dark blue with light stripes on the sides. It had leafsprings (Blattfedern) like in a carriage. (I hope the translater does a good job) I was very proud of my first car!
11:10: Around 1993 I had a used Ford Fiesta in red with yellow and turquoise stripes. It had a 4-speed manual transmission and unfortunately an engine failure at some point. A friend had installed a replacement engine for 700DM and it had more power and 5 gears! That was fun! Unfortunately I don't know the engine data and model exactly. But it was like the one in the video, only not as a sports version...but probably later with the sporty engine🚗😉🆒.
9:20 : Around 2000 I had a black, 3-door VW Golf 2 with 75 HP with a 4-speed gearbox. I couldn't have afforded a GTI. They were very popular in Germany.
There were, and still are, clubs where GTI drivers met, tinkered with cars, tuned them and so on. They were the “opponents” or "rivals" of the Opel Manta drivers. Also a very interesting car by the way! There is also a German comedy film with actor Till Schweiger. The Movie called 'Manta Manta'. Or 'Manta - Der Film'
Maybe it'll be interesting and funny to look at! You will see lots of cars, car racing and some german (flat) humour and good music ...😎
I'm glad that you, as an American, like our European cars that we drove when we were young!!
Keep it up! 🍻Cheers!
Greetings from Northern Germany 🇩🇪♥️
There is also the fabulously looking 480 ES Volvo hatch with pop up headlights and grille below the bumper - also from their Dutch connection DAF.
We never got them in Australia.
The r5 turbo was produced as a homologation special for group 4 rally in 1980 and later used in group B.
An even crazier version was used in 1985 and 86 with 360 bhp.
Great subject again!! Everytime I see a Peugeot Gti I still miss my 130bhp 1.9 Gti. In fast corners the back would slide like a rearwheel drive.
4:55 The Vauxhall AstraGTE/Opel Kadett GSI has multiple engines, 1.8, 2.0 and the famous coswort tuned redtop 2.0 16v (c20xe) engine. The regular version was sold in North America as a Pontiac LeMans, but with a Holden 1.5 engine, and made in Korea, as a Deawoo.
The mid engine layout on the R5 was used in many of the group B rally cars you have viewed in previous vids, Peugeot, lancia, Ford,and the MG Metro inluded. Though they were 4wd of course
Still got my ‘89 1.9 205 GTI and currently in the middle of a full rebuild restoration and customisation. It was Grp. B that attracted me to Peugeot. Ever since I’ve been a hot hatch fan and I’ve never regretted that decision. And in Australia they are going up and up in value (5 figures last time I checked).
The regular version of the Renault 5 was sold in the USA as Renault Le Car. I am a huge Renault fan ( my first memory of travelling in a car is in a Renault 5) and the Renault 5 Turbo 2 is my favorite car ever.
Edit: In my country, Spain, between the most popular performance hatchbacks in the 80s was the Seat Ibiza SXI. It came with a 1.5 liter and 100hp engine designed by Porsche. The Opel Kadett 2.0 GSI ( Vauxhall in the video ) was one of the most desirable cause it was a beast.
It even featured on an episode of the A-team!
Hi Ian! Certainly the most valuable (because it wasn't exactly cheap, back then as a new car) is the R5 Turbo. It cost a lot of money when it came out. Plus, not many of them were actually built. Ultimately there were fewer than 5,000. This meant that more of the legendary (Renault) Alpine A 110 were built than the R5 Turbo. The R5 originally appeared on the scene in 1972 and originally included a model range of 36-64 hp and was advertised as "the little friend". We are talking about cars that had a curb weight of 850 kg. The first truly sporting improvement came in 1976, when the R5 Alpine appeared on the field. This 1400 cc engine (the same displacement as the turbo) produced 93 hp and was stated in the vehicle documents with a top speed of 173 km/h. I had 2 of these things in my 20s and they were extremely quick and perfectly designed for the French "Route National". These routes were designed with 3 lanes, with the 3rd lane being used to form a passing lane that was alternately available to traffic in both directions in order to overtake trucks. And they both drove significantly faster than 170km/h. They also had a very well-designed 5-speed manual transmission as standard, which only became standard on a large scale in the mid-80s. I never spared these cars! And no matter how much I gave them the spurs... They never needed more than 9 liters of fuel. Oh, the sweet youth... Finally, it should be noted that the great success of the R5 led Peugeot to come onto the market with the 205. The R5 was built from 1972 to 1996 and 9 million were sold... Greetings from Germany
My first car ever was a volvo 360Glt.
I had two more since then for the road, and one lightened one for driving on the lakes at winter.
Cool thing about it is how far back the gearbox is located, making it very well balanced which together with the rear wheel drive makes it so damn fun to drive!
Also had a peugeot 205 gti.
A golf 2 gti, a suzuki swift gti (funniest driving machine i ever had, popped and bsnged like crazy when shifting at high revs!)
And later on a peugeot
206 Rc.
(i love my hatchbacks!)😊
For starters : I really like the way you've evolved in pronouncing the Peugeot name more correctly.
I spotted a Skoda Felicia Hatchback in the background. THAT was my first car for like 15 years! I love that thing so much! I was driving the 1.6l(75hp) that thing was surprisingly sporty and easy to maintain. Sadly those Felicas where rust buckets, that's why you barely get them in germany anymore. Great car!
205 was known as the Sacred Number in France, Saved the Company from Bankruptcy an absolute piece of design perfection which still looks modern 40 years on.
Had both a 205 1.6 & 1.9 - they weighed about the same as a packet of biscuits & handled like a go-kart with a wheel at each corner - they were great fun. Also had an MG Metro Turbo & a MG Metro - but that one was modified with a 1380 engine & lowered - the side exit exhaust was a bit noisy though 😁
My second car was a Peugeot 205... not a GTI unfortunately because being a student I couldn't afford much choice. It was simply a 205 with a 1.9 liter naturally aspirated diesel engine. It certainly wasn't a rocket because if I'm not mistaken it had 65 horsepower, yet it was the most fun car I ever had and I still miss it today twenty years later. It had a very particular ride because it had a particularly high stance but I had fitted the anti-roll bars of a sportier version. High, rigid, with a slight tendency to oversteer, with lots of torque and a decent amount of over-rev on top end for a diesel, with negligible fuel consumption (which for a student was a great thing) and even unstoppable off-road and on snow for a front-wheel drive. How many I put it through when I simulated rallies on country roads. The GTI was available in both 1.9 and 1.6, not to mention the rallies version. What a spectacular car! I don't even want to talk about the sacred monster... The 205 turbo 16 which was the basis of group B.(This monster here, just to be clear ua-cam.com/video/x7Ytk3PT5Jg/v-deo.htmlsi=BkK1I5kZP1dGKEYL)
I really miss my 205. It wasnt a GTi, but it had that nimble quickness to it that was just a joy to drive.
I owned a Peugeot 205 a decade ago. It was a 90hp diesel and it was pretty fast too.
Renault 5 Turbo always has been a dream car for (now 40-ish years old like me ^^) teenagers in the 1990s'.
Golf GTI, 205 GTI, Renault 5 Turbo, Renault 21 2.0 Turbo... all those were the cars we would dream about.
My uncle had a Renault 5 Turbo (white, with all the trimmings), my dad had a soft top Golf GTI sleeper. Maybe 5 years old: I remember my mum racing someone down the motorway in the GTI - we left them in the dust.
Had a Peugeot 205 GTI many years ago. Well balanced extremely well driving car on narrow mountain roads. Only good memories of that beautiful car!
The Volvo one has it's roots in DAF (now mostly known for their trucks), Volvo bought DAF's car division just when the newly developed DAF 77 was about ready to go into production. Volvo changed some things, and then put it on the market as the Volvo 300-serie.
my first car was a Ford Escort, 1.6 diesel grey/blue, my second a Toyota Corolla, 1.6, 16V dark green. And I absolutely loved to drive them.
The Peugeot 205 has an iconic look in my mind, in particular after the 1990 facelift. I still remember that I felt compelled to take photos of it when I saw it nicely displayed; something that happened with very few cars for me, maybe with some Ferraris or cars from the 1920s and 1930s.
12:25 Actually, this was originally not a Volvo but Daf (the Dutch brand that still builds trucks today also makes passenger cars). The passenger car department was bought up by Volvo, and it was therefore built in the Netherlands under the name Volvo 360 ,with a Renault engine. (instead of Daf 77, which was its original name)
The Volvo 360 (originally the 340) was only available with a variomatic auto transmission at launch, which wasn't very popular and harmed the sales.
The 340 has a Renault derived 4cyl pushrod motor with an aluminium prop and rear mounted gearbox for 50/50 weight distribution.
The 360 was the posher upmarket version fitted with the larger and almost indestructible 2ltr Volvo Redblock as found in the 2/7/900 cars.
They also have a better, stronger drivetrain without an ally prop.
The best bit, the Renault motors can be ripped out and replaced with the F7R/P 2ltr 16v engines found in the 16v and Williams Clio.
I had a Williams converted 340, awesome car but would kill propshafts almost monthly, as the rubber bonded splines would rip out with almost 3x the original power output 😄
The Vauxhall Astra/Opel Kadett E has indeed been available in the US. It was sold as the 1989 model Pontiac leMans. In addition to that, the sedan-version was available in canada as Passport Optima.
And talking about my favorite hot-hatch from the 80's: it's the '86 Escort RS Turbo
My favorite altogether is the Escort RS Cosworth though 😃
Owned a MK1 Opel Kadett GTE in the 80's loved it to bits and so reliable.
Ian I’ll tell you a little story. I was with my girlfriend visiting my mum. We had a Vauxhall Astra 2 litre GTE 16v, a quick car. On the way home on the motorway…. erm I mean the Autobahn (cough cough*) she fell asleep. So I tickled the throttle until we were doing about 130mph. The car had a digital dash so I switched to metric and it said 212. I told her to wake up and she saw the speedometer.
Hahaha shoulda seen her face. Priceless.
Incidentally the Renault 5 Turbo you had on here was rear wheel drive as you assumed. It was a dangerous car to drive because of the turbo delivery was like a 2 stroke scrambler power band. Bad in the corners, especially in the wet. It had a little brother too, a front wheel drive Renault 5 Gordini Turbo. Later the 5 Turbo was replaced with a mid engined RWD Clio V6 (yes a V6 in a little car) and the Gordini was replaced much later by the Clio Williams.
The Escorts. XR3, then the RS1600i which was replaced with the XR3i and then came the Escort RS Turbo.
Notable omissions:
Fiat Strada 105TC and then the 130TC Abarth; MG Maestro 2.0 EFi and later the Maestro Turbo (bugger that was quick); Lancia Delta (also Prisma) Turbo and later various iterations of the Delta Integrale; Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti; Talbot Sunbeam Ti and later the awesome Lotus Sunbeam and so many more. Take a look on Wiki mate. You’ll love ‘em too.
Keep up the good work mate.
Haha love the West Aussie rego plate on the back wall.. Was originally on a white 1988 Ford Falcon according to department of transport 😂
The 1.9 PD diesel engine is famous in the UK and Europe for being very tunable and reliable, I have it in my estate (wagon) and I run it stock as a daily, incredible engine
Cool selection of cars! My friends had some of them while I had a SAAB 900 called Donkey since I often tow them out of situations made by man, not cars.
In 1990, a pair of engineers, Chuck Beck, and, Nick Titus, did something similar with Ford Festivas. They put the 220hp Yamaha V6 from a Taurus SHO in the middle. The car weighed about 1900 pounds, so, you can imagine the effect. Of 250 that were planned, only 7 got built. Of course, Jay Leno has one of those.
Had a 205 GTi back in the 80s absolutely loved it the handling was amazing you should check out the 205 T16 group b rally cars from same period
The R5 turbo was also made for WRC. Rear engine as opposed to the street version with front engine. Jay Leno has one. He made a video on it.
These are all the cars that i lusted after in the late 90s. Buddy of mine had a purple 205 GTi with the dimma bodykit bonkers looking thing 😂
The Renault 5 also drove in the group B and the fauxhaul was sold in Europe as Opel kadett GSI later models where named on mainland Europe Astra too
I owned a vauxhall but here it was called Opel Kadett gsi.
I had a 1989 2.0 liter 16valve engine and it was a beast. 156 hp and to most people it looked like any other slow hatchback.
Had a lot of fun with it.
My first car was 1986 1.3l Toyota Corolla DX. I loved that car. I have sedan now but i still have soft spot in my heart for the hatchbacks. In the 80's and 90's most young people i know had hatchback and GTI Golf was most wanted one of them all.
Note on the Renault 5 Turbo : this car was created to compete in Group B. Like any other Group B car (Peugeot 205 T16, Lancia Delta S4 and 037, Ford RS200...), road legal versions were produced in very limited numbers (500) to meet racing homologation standards. Which means the road legal versions of all those Group B monsters are fairly rare, and nowadays they are so collectible due to their history that they fetch crazy prices. Like, well into the 6 figures mark. The famed Audi Sport Quattro, the road version of the Audi Quattro S1, will sell for at least 600 000$.
and renault 5 was sold briefly in US as reanult le car, and this r5 turbo , mid engined, is homologation version of rally groupe B car
The Renault 5 turbo was was called "little french box of hate". It was quite heavy at the rear and light at the front end which made it a bit difficult to steer, hence quite unpredictable.