Regardless of the terminology issue ("mind"), the subject matter is fascinating and his knowledge of it immense. His style and delivery is pleasently digested. Whether or not he is accurate on every single point, I find his interpretation of the evidence much more plausible than say, the instantaneous appearance of complete, intact animals and/or the Noah's Ark story.
Watched all of it, loved it and appreciate all of there hard work, I wish at the end these scientists would give 2-3 simple examples that we can relate to in every day life
Hello. Great lecture. Interesting how he suggests that spatial awareness and language are similar timeline contructs. I'm currently doing my basic brain anatomy and have noticed that the hemisphere's are relatively symmetrical, for example the homunculi represented on it's surfaces. Except, that is, spatial awareness and language,which are associated with the left and right respectively.
Really fascinating talk. So often is the case that people think that evolution works on this idea that a species directs their evolution, like trying to speak first, that it fundamentally alters the way most people perceive evolution. You have to find the tweaks first - maybe the reasons for the tweaks, and then the reason why the tweak was sustained throughout generations, not the other way around.
44:00 - perhaps woven into this joy of making noise and sounds type of perspective is the additional joy of mimicry - hear a noise in the savanna or woods and try to copy it, just for the challenge and fun of it, or to fill the air with noise - or to lure in some dinner (as the case may be).
@qwertypluss I'm an electronic engineer and I found the ANN very fascinating during my studies. Yes, can ANN experience consciousness or does it need something else?
this video focuses on trivial parts of how your brain works and what tech they have. It by no means goes into what the title of this video is called, but it gives little new insites on how language developed.
i wonder when cameramen will evolve into students and realise the audience is interested in what the screen is showing rather than looking forever at the speaker's face
Here is a nice counter-talk by Chomsky: watch?v=2v6XFkSwVys I think he would find the approach interesting - especially the part where the language was not invented for communication. Then again in the talk he describes lots of properties that are so specific to humans, that slow evolution alone can't explain it.
why we apparently have greater cognitive capacity than other animals, could be more about what we lack than what we have. For example we have and had in the past comprehension challenges, when it comes to grasping the extent of the natural world, the Universe, or the idea of multi-dimensions or a range of other quantum physics concepts, such that we invented symbolism as a way to explain the incomprehensible. Earlier in our evolution we experienced thunder and lightening, changes in weather and seasons, see fire made for the first time, see our families die of disease or predation, etc, and none of this could be explained by us at the time, so we create symbolism. Creating symbolism or the need to do so, lead to the expression of ideas, in an ever expanding form of complexity, in the absence of comprehension of natural phenomena. I believe this created a problem of self awareness which lead to questions of what our purpose was. Philosophy, Religion, science, language and the arts were all the result of struggling to explain our place in the cosmos, with ever increasing ability to think. All of this thinking and explanation caused the brain to expand ever larger to accommodate all this vast potential knowledge and calculation. With such information, questions continue to arise some of which can be answered, the rest explained away in an ongoing complex delusion of reality invented by us. At best our lives with our brains, seems like a cruel trick of nature, and at best a poison chalice.
Regarding language that does not mean anything and yet being attractive to the opposite sex: this reminds me of the common day pop/rock musician--perhaps a modern day analog.
Interesting talk, thanks, but it misses the point: human waterside evolution. Large brains require brain-specific nutrients such as DHA, which suggests our andestors had an (partly) aquatic diet. Google "coastal dispersal of Pleistocene Homo 2018 biology vs anthropocentrism". And for language google "speech originS 2017 verhaegen".
@qwertypluss I got to know these stuffs mostly from reading but my final year project was on speech recognition. I used a training algorithm derived from ANN.
So how does Noam Chomsky's theory fit into this, which says that we are preprogramed with a language syntax? That goes against this guy's theory that language started out as having nothing to say.
Humans evolve through time genetically and Physically so does our conciousness thoughts and perception so you could say we are the future- but in thousand years the chemistry of the human brain will be active in many other areas than it is now, to the point where we will be communicating via telepathy and sharing imagery with others Just by the power of the mind and the Bipolar community are the ones on the cusp of the next transition.
very high tech cortical homunculus equivalent that i used to see in netter's brain illustrations of long ago - amazing and wonderful. thank you so much - but i still have a nagging question - that the readers out there hopefully will not put any religious twist into - - what, why or how did our brain developed so much in capability and skill to the point that we can talk of extra-terrestial/interplanetary travel now after only less than five million years of existence on this planet compare to the dinosaurs who were around for more than a hundred million years as the dominant specie - why did their cranial cavity/brain never develop any further than they did when they must have been evolving as we were in time?
@djzacmaniac very good even thow english is not my primaty language i see what you mean and i agree with you cause i did this experience years ago in french and yes we read as a hole
@djzacmaniac I read your messed up research results. I did recognize the spelling mistakes and corrected them myself to make sense of. Just because I corrected your mistakes does not mean I did not catch them. If my job was grading your spelling, I would give you a zero (and then be amazed at how stupid researchers' interpretations of data can be). Depending on how 'mindful' your mind is, you could read "every letter" of a word and then make necessary corrections.
Chimpanzees have poor vocal control. Interesting. Maybe it suggests that vocal sounds in a Chimpanzee are overwhelmingly about communicating emotion, which is also what the uncontrolled component in speech performs in us humans.
Science studies cause and effect. We try to study the consequences of certain activity. Here in the study of the mind and brain it is done. After seeing the effect we are trying to find out causer. Brain only a machine used by consciousness, i.e. causer. We can find out some relationship between, this may not be true always. That is the reason free will comes into picture. Consciousness has free will, whereas brain does not have. The consciousness is fascinating than brain, independent of brain.
I believe, the mind should not be the study. The study should be about our soul. What energy is this? Our mind is just a muscle that has the right bio chemicals and body functions that produces what I question, scientifically, where does the subconscious energy come from?
What exactly makes Darwin a genius? The fact that he had no idea how chemistry works? The fact that he plagiarized ideas from philosophers who envisioned imaginary evolutionary process? The fact that he went on a journey to justify a false belief? He is anything but genius. Alfred Wallace could be considered "genius" because he was the first to come up with this interpretation of reality - evo.
Sexual selection must be rooted in what is practical because otherwise sexual selection itself, as a function, would not have evolved. Sexual selection cannot lead to notably impractical things: A prospective mate that is attracted to "inefficient" things will not survive in the competition for life.
@junkvideoviewer You could read it before making any corrections. That is the point. I'm not ant-spelling. You are not special, and your brain CAN interpret the message with jumbled spelling just like most every other English speaking person. Spelling is a task mastered in elementary school, so to try and take some kind of high ground, by "correcting" "mistakes" is ridiculous. Comprehension must not be your strong suit. The misspelling is purposeful for the effect that is created. DUH!
@djzacmaniac You seem very dull witted person. It is not my brain that is correcting spellings, I did that mindfully. In other words, I am not mindful of your spelling mistakes. At my will, I could catch spelling mistakes or ignore them, all the while having exactly the same brain. Why do you attribute every ability to just brain? Get your brain imaging technology and test a mindful person: Both when reading correctly and reading out senseless sounds. Did they do that test? THAT IS GOOD SCIENCE.
WOw this video was awesome! It's so interesting to think that language perhaps developed due to sexual selection. Perhaps we still/ I know we still select mates based on how well they speak thats why so many girls like men with foriegn accents LOL Ahahah
This man is of a truly scientific soul and spirit. What a pleasure to listen to him!
Regardless of the terminology issue ("mind"), the subject matter is fascinating and his knowledge of it immense. His style and delivery is pleasently digested. Whether or not he is accurate on every single point, I find his interpretation of the evidence much more plausible than say, the instantaneous appearance of complete, intact animals and/or the Noah's Ark story.
Watched all of it, loved it and appreciate all of there hard work, I wish at the end these scientists would give 2-3 simple examples that we can relate to in every day life
Cognitive sciences needs to progress even faster, what a great science!
Hi Tulin, You can add Turkish subtitles, I will send you a message with a link to the instructions. Thanks for watching!
Well presented and very interesting, thanks for producing and sharing!
I think Martin Sereno has been serenading us with human bird song this whole time, pleasing our intellect. ;)
One of the most interesting lectures I’ve stumbled upon
Hello. Great lecture. Interesting how he suggests that spatial awareness and language are similar timeline contructs. I'm currently doing my basic brain anatomy and have noticed that the hemisphere's are relatively symmetrical, for example the homunculi represented on it's surfaces. Except, that is, spatial awareness and language,which are associated with the left and right respectively.
Really fascinating talk. So often is the case that people think that evolution works on this idea that a species directs their evolution, like trying to speak first, that it fundamentally alters the way most people perceive evolution. You have to find the tweaks first - maybe the reasons for the tweaks, and then the reason why the tweak was sustained throughout generations, not the other way around.
44:00 - perhaps woven into this joy of making noise and sounds type of perspective is the additional joy of mimicry - hear a noise in the savanna or woods and try to copy it, just for the challenge and fun of it, or to fill the air with noise - or to lure in some dinner (as the case may be).
@qwertypluss I'm an electronic engineer and I found the ANN very fascinating during my studies. Yes, can ANN experience consciousness or does it need something else?
Do you know where I can learn more about that?
What's the name of the song at the end?
this video focuses on trivial parts of how your brain works and what tech they have. It by no means goes into what the title of this video is called, but it gives little new insites on how language developed.
i wonder when cameramen will evolve into students and realise the audience is interested in what the screen is showing rather than looking forever at the speaker's face
Good stuff!
Here is a nice counter-talk by Chomsky: watch?v=2v6XFkSwVys
I think he would find the approach interesting - especially the part where the language was not invented for communication. Then again in the talk he describes lots of properties that are so specific to humans, that slow evolution alone can't explain it.
why we apparently have greater cognitive capacity than other animals, could be more about what we lack than what we have. For example we have and had in the past comprehension challenges, when it comes to grasping the extent of the natural world, the Universe, or the idea of multi-dimensions or a range of other quantum physics concepts, such that we invented symbolism as a way to explain the incomprehensible. Earlier in our evolution we experienced thunder and lightening, changes in weather and seasons, see fire made for the first time, see our families die of disease or predation, etc, and none of this could be explained by us at the time, so we create symbolism. Creating symbolism or the need to do so, lead to the expression of ideas, in an ever expanding form of complexity, in the absence of comprehension of natural phenomena. I believe this created a problem of self awareness which lead to questions of what our purpose was. Philosophy, Religion, science, language and the arts were all the result of struggling to explain our place in the cosmos, with ever increasing ability to think. All of this thinking and explanation caused the brain to expand ever larger to accommodate all this vast potential knowledge and calculation. With such information, questions continue to arise some of which can be answered, the rest explained away in an ongoing complex delusion of reality invented by us. At best our lives with our brains, seems like a cruel trick of nature, and at best a poison chalice.
Regarding language that does not mean anything and yet being attractive to the opposite sex: this reminds me of the common day pop/rock musician--perhaps a modern day analog.
@qwertypluss A question for you: can you imagine an ANN that can feel pain or pleasure? What 'feel' pain or pleasure in us?
Fascinating! Thank you!
Interesting talk, thanks, but it misses the point: human waterside evolution.
Large brains require brain-specific nutrients such as DHA, which suggests our andestors had an (partly) aquatic diet.
Google "coastal dispersal of Pleistocene Homo 2018 biology vs anthropocentrism".
And for language google "speech originS 2017 verhaegen".
@qwertypluss I got to know these stuffs mostly from reading but my final year project was on speech recognition. I used a training algorithm derived from ANN.
So how does Noam Chomsky's theory fit into this, which says that we are preprogramed with a language syntax? That goes against this guy's theory that language started out as having nothing to say.
@djzacmaniac That was awesome, thanks!
Humans evolve through time genetically and Physically so does our conciousness thoughts and perception so you could say we are the future- but in thousand years the chemistry of the human brain will be active in many other areas than it is now, to the point where we will be communicating via telepathy and sharing imagery with others Just by the power of the mind and the Bipolar community are the ones on the cusp of the next transition.
So the size of the brain doesn't matter; that was fascinating. We aren't the mammal with the largest brain.
I need turkish subtitles too.
very high tech cortical homunculus equivalent that i used to see in netter's brain illustrations of long ago - amazing and wonderful. thank you so much - but i still have a nagging question - that the readers out there hopefully will not put any religious twist into - - what, why or how did our brain developed so much in capability and skill to the point that we can talk of extra-terrestial/interplanetary travel now after only less than five million years of existence on this planet compare to the dinosaurs who were around for more than a hundred million years as the dominant specie - why did their cranial cavity/brain never develop any further than they did when they must have been evolving as we were in time?
@sueyking You mind is held in different spots of your BRAIN!!! Our minds are amazing BECAUSE OUR BRAINS are amazing. Do YOU get it now?
@hate420breed Who memorized anything? I copy and pasted that paragraph.
coonelss and itnriguing
@djzacmaniac very good even thow english is not my primaty language i see what you mean and i agree with you cause i did this experience years ago in french and yes we read as a hole
@djzacmaniac
I read your messed up research results. I did recognize the spelling mistakes and corrected them myself to make sense of. Just because I corrected your mistakes does not mean I did not catch them. If my job was grading your spelling, I would give you a zero (and then be amazed at how stupid researchers' interpretations of data can be). Depending on how 'mindful' your mind is, you could read "every letter" of a word and then make necessary corrections.
But who is feeding who ..at sea world?
Chimpanzees have poor vocal control. Interesting. Maybe it suggests that vocal sounds in a Chimpanzee are overwhelmingly about communicating emotion, which is also what the uncontrolled component in speech performs in us humans.
Science studies cause and effect. We try to study the consequences of certain activity. Here in the study of the mind and brain it is done. After seeing the effect we are trying to find out causer. Brain only a machine used by consciousness, i.e. causer. We can find out some relationship between, this may not be true always. That is the reason free will comes into picture. Consciousness has free will, whereas brain does not have. The consciousness is fascinating than brain, independent of brain.
I believe, the mind should not be the study. The study should be about our soul. What energy is this? Our mind is just a muscle that has the right bio chemicals and body functions that produces what I question, scientifically, where does the subconscious energy come from?
I'm sure birds think our language sounds the about the same played forwards or backwards too.
@djzacmaniac
ncie cmmonets!
the spirit maybe
We need turkish Subtitle
@Evilrolfharris Feed*
He says 'thought' like 'fart'. 'Thart'
Weird.
Jesus. I came over here to get away from my students for a hour.
Ayeyermaa: Perfectly ok if you've no enthusiasm for cognitive science, (there's plenty of variety here,) but WHY must you be so coarse & rude?
What exactly makes Darwin a genius? The fact that he had no idea how chemistry works? The fact that he plagiarized ideas from philosophers who envisioned imaginary evolutionary process? The fact that he went on a journey to justify a false belief? He is anything but genius. Alfred Wallace could be considered "genius" because he was the first to come up with this interpretation of reality - evo.
Sexual selection must be rooted in what is practical because otherwise sexual selection itself, as a function, would not have evolved. Sexual selection cannot lead to notably impractical things: A prospective mate that is attracted to "inefficient" things will not survive in the competition for life.
Maybe the killer whale is training us to fee it fish?
@djzacmaniac No that means that you are memorizing imperfections which makes you a fool, I bet you think of yourself as some sort of artist don't you?
The size doesnt matter haha :D
@junkvideoviewer You could read it before making any corrections. That is the point. I'm not ant-spelling. You are not special, and your brain CAN interpret the message with jumbled spelling just like most every other English speaking person. Spelling is a task mastered in elementary school, so to try and take some kind of high ground, by "correcting" "mistakes" is ridiculous. Comprehension must not be your strong suit. The misspelling is purposeful for the effect that is created. DUH!
@djzacmaniac You seem very dull witted person. It is not my brain that is correcting spellings, I did that mindfully. In other words, I am not mindful of your spelling mistakes. At my will, I could catch spelling mistakes or ignore them, all the while having exactly the same brain. Why do you attribute every ability to just brain? Get your brain imaging technology and test a mindful person: Both when reading correctly and reading out senseless sounds. Did they do that test? THAT IS GOOD SCIENCE.
i talk n learn. i got opi ions b4 facts. deal w it u ftrd there in comment. adhd catching up
Their walking fish.
Search youtube and wikipedia.
WOw this video was awesome! It's so interesting to think that language perhaps developed due to sexual selection. Perhaps we still/ I know we still select mates based on how well they speak thats why so many girls like men with foriegn accents LOL Ahahah
I love neuroscience but Jesus this is slow and monotonous sounding...
Please stop stuttering. Approximately two stutters each sentence.
Your inability to form a complete sentence pretty much sums up your opinion of any academic presentation.