The Black Hole: USS Cygnus Analysis
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- An examination and analysis of the USS Cygnus from the classic Disney film, The Black Hole.
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0:12 Overview
0:54 Visual Design
1:36 Stock Features
3:27 Modifications by Reinhardt
4:48 Conclusion
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The Blackhole was and still one of my childhood favourite sci-fi movies. Everyone wanted a R2-D2 and I wanted a Vincent!
Same. And Maximilian.
@@DocWolph Maximilian would be the most badass terrifying and loyal robots you’d have as a companion
I liked the red robots and of course their black boss.
This is my favorite spaceship in any sci-fi movie. It's stupid, impractical but absolutly beautiful and majestic.
It's an interesting design and the movie is very under rated. I remember trying to make versions of the ship out of Legos when I was a kid.
She's not the Yamato, late 70's era Battlestar Galactica, or the Constitution refit of the Enterprise. The Cygnus is still one of my favorite ships in Sci-Fi.
You know, in terms of what she is like, I cannot help but think of the Venture Star from Avatar.
I prefer this over the Venture Star though. But that is entirely due to how much I loved the movie when I was a kid.
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Lol. Me too! Except I used Tente bricks. XD
Just to hopefully brighten someones day... a little video of a JMSDF band, and some music they were playing, which is relevent to the opening comment
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JMSDF = Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force
I did the same with legos
It was pretty epic
I'm old enough to have seen this in theaters as a kid. It was Disney's creepy answer to Star Wars. Yes, very industrial looking, but I always thought of it as a space gothic cathedral. The plot had a classic 50's sci-fi feel and good soundtrack!
Same here. We are old!
@@ptonpc You mean "seasoned"
Actually, the origins of the story predates Star Wars
That ship was basically a cathedral in space.
It's still one of my favourite designs, despite its flaws.
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1 week ago I strongly agree.
Hands down, the coolest looking spaceship in the history of sci-fi cinema.
From what I remember of the novel (read it as a kid) The Cygnus had a forcefield around her that protected her from the effects of the black hole and kept atmospheric pressure.
The reason for taking the Cygnus in, apart from hubris etc, was that her more powerful forcefield would be used as part of the method to enter the BH. From what I recall of the explanation at dinner, the increasing energies, pressures etc would compress the field until it failed in a controlled manner for a moment and 'spat' the ship into the singularity.
This was something the recon ship couldn't do.
She is a beautiful design.
Yes, the Cygnus was the more powerfull ship for this black hole trip, but because of the losts of the 2 Reactors (1st by exploding Palomino, 2nd exploded because powersurges) and the asteroids just fkd the rest of the ship - the Space Probe 1 was planed by Reinhard all the time as lifeboat if the Cygnus goes boom.
A further reason for taking the Big Cygnus into the Black Hole as opposed to just the Little Probe Ship is that the Cygnus would be better equipped in terms of instrumentation for examining and studying the black hole. Not to mention that Reinhardt would need food inside the black hole, and presumably the probe did not have an agricultural station, unlike the Cygnus - of course it decompressed and exploded just after the Palomino crew escaped from it. Hope you have another agricultural station somewhere, Reinhardt!
A design that didn't take space debris into account.
Turns out some rocks can break a glorified greenhouse.
Lol
@@hoojiwana You should definitely do Ship Analysis videos on some of the amazing spacecraft from "Space Battle Ship Yamato" 2199 and 2202 TV Series (that ran from 2013 to 2019) such as the main hero ship.... the famous Yamato class Battleship "Yamato" herself, as well as the Comet Empire's mighty Karakulum class Battleship ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2202"), Earth's Andromeda class Battleship ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2202"), the Gamilon Kripitera class Destroyer ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2199"), the Comet Empire's Kukulcan class Destroyer (2202), the Comet Empire's Nazca class Strike Carrier (2202), and also the famous and well respected Zoelguut class Super-Dreadnought ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2199").
@@jamieolberding7731 to be honest, I can't tell whether this is a meme.
Yamato is a fun ship, tho
@@AuxCart Agreed. I wonder why nobody else out there isn't even doing proper breakdowns on many of the fantastic looking World War 2 style-ish looking Human and Alien warships, spaceships, and fighters from "Space Battleship Yamato?" I have made only two ships from "Space Battleship Yamato" out of LEGO's.... and believe me a lot of these amazingly beautiful looking "Space Battleship Yamato" Hero and Villain ships that are really hard to build..... but I greatly enjoy a challenge.
Till this day, I still remember the blackhole hand blaster water gun I had as a child. It had 2 water nozzles instead of one.
For most of my life this film topped the short list of Disney's darkest movies. I mean, a man is torn apart by a spinning bladed robot! People were turned into living robots to man a dark and quiet ship for a madman genius and his plans. This didn't seem like any film Disney would make, but I'm glad they did.
It is my understanding that Reinhardt could have succeeded in his quest onboard his ship...
Had it not been for the Palomino crashing into it, which resulted in the destruction of one of the two generators meant to maintain the integrity of the Cygnus through it's journey.
This was my favorite ship as a kid, still is i guess. It has that feel of captain Nemo's Nautilus and something else I can't quite describe.
Here is an idea regarding the large hallway in the crew area. a) design possibly inspired by prisons. b) the large space can easily double as an assembly area (much like can be done in prisons that have a similar design)
Just food for thought.
The center of the hallways could also serve as storage, with crates or pallets stacked. After 20 years most of the consumables and spare parts would have been used up
The novelization notes that the crew likely chose to have small quarters near to each other as a sort of psychological protection. Better to have the warmth of other people nearby when there's a lot of cold space surrounding you.
@@quietman71 That honestly fits right into what I was saying about a prison inspired design. As that is one of the basic functions of the general population parts of prisons. General population might still be inside a prison, but it still provides some semblance of society with all of the other inmates.
Would love to see you break down the Moonraker stuff, as well as Atlantis and the sub-swallowing cargo ship from The Spy Who Loved Me! Also Moon, 2010: The Year We Make Contact, and District 9 maybe?
Beautiful craft.
The Cygnus had a very unique blend of practical and industrial aesthetic, yet imposing and cathedral like design. Love it.
Saw it at the pictures when it came out,anyway, I believe the size of the rooms on board would have been a mental crutch to the crew because of living on a planet. I mean small quarters large social and working areas, less pressure of living in a contained environment.
My hypothesis, Disney can be very clever, remember the space programme?
Limiting personal space breaks down individuality and independence.
I'm old enough to remember watching this when it was first released. I used to do imitations of V. I. N. CENT and B. O. B.
I only saw it for the first time a few years ago, not an amazing film but it has its charms.
@@hoojiwana I agree. I actually dressed as one of the "Humanoids" for Halloween a few years back. I've even read the novelization, which tries to make the movie a bit more scientific. There's a good UA-cam upload talking about the making of the film, and there's been talk about a modern reboot on and off over the years. I actually had my hopes up because of the Black Hole poster in Tron: Legacy. 😂
BTW - love your channel!
Pretty sure Reinhardt was not the ship's commander, he became its commander after lobotomizing or killing everyone else, though.
It is not that far-fetched to have a stable atmosphere a few dozen/hundred meters around the ship, since you have a gravity field generator to counter the pull from a nearby black hole.
I loved watching a documentary about this movie, Maximilian Schell (aka Reinhardt) had no frigging idea what they were talking about when explaining the black holes, he had to act as if he was smart. 🤣
wrong. Reinhard was the Cygnus designated Captain. And yes, the breathable field arround the ship could be explained by some of Reinhards experiments.
@@lizzard008 I concur. Remember that, when Reinhardt is first mentioned, Alex Durant asks Harry Booth, "Did you ever meet Commander Reinhardt?"
I also used to think that the atmosphere must be held against the hull buy Reinhardt's field, but if that were the case, the gardens would not have depressurised and froze. It turns out that they *were* supposed to wear spacesuits outside the ship, suits which *did* feature in both the script and the novelisation, but apparently the day that that scene was filmed was particularly fraught. Under the circumstances, the cast just didn't want to wear the spacesuits, and rather than argue the point, the director decided to simply go ahead and shoot the scene without them. But spacesuits were intended, so in my head (even if in no one else's!) I imagine their spacesuits were comprised of transparent energy fields (like in the 1970s Star Trek cartoon), or maybe their jumpsuits were super hi-tech and afforded the crew some temporary life-support (like in Fireball XL5). I realise those explanations take a few leaps of logic though! 😆
@@peppermintspacecapsule9898 Not entirely wrong, even if you had an atmosphere outside the hull of the ship, you still would need a suit to protect against cosmic radiation AND to stay warm, without a magnetic field strong enough to deflect radiation a suit is essential, and outside the ship there's no obvious heat even if you do have a basic atmosphere.
Pretty sure this explains gardens freezing and stuff starting to fly up as the gravity field collapses and the black hole gravity takes over.
@@LoneTiger - Yeah, it just struck me one night that the atmosphere-bubble theory doesn't work because of the garden scene. I still enjoy the film, and I love the book and comics, but at least when the Star Trek cartoon and Fireball XL5 had people outside without spacesuits they bothered to give an explanation! 😆
The very best DISNEY movie where the star of Psycho gets shanked by a robot
This is the fundamental problem with it, though: the family-friendly Disneyfication of what is naturally a horror movie. Maximillian's food processor of death would not have been out of place in Event Horizon.
Have you thought about doing ships from Expanse? Your channel is exceptional!
"Spooky robot chapels". Definitely something I don't expect to hear twice...
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The fact that they were able to step outside the Cygnus seems to suggest that she not only could generate a field of anti gravity and artificial gravity, but also a pressurized bubble, which gives you a little more insight to just how advanced she was, or could be another one of the technologies Reinhardt invented. Likely the former, as Reinhardt clearly has no regard for the well being of the former crew should maintenance be needed outside, but of course, they'd be difficult to replace too.
Ship Name: USS Cygnus
Ship Class: Spaceprobe One
Ship Origin: United States
Vessel Type: Deep Space Exploration & Habitation
Crew Compliment: 34 Personal and Robots.
Fate: Extreme Gravitational hull stress caused by Black Hole
It's funny that this movie was made before another Disney sci-fi film that did just as well and that movie was called TRON.
You need to do an updated version of this video for those of us recent viewers interested in the subject. Please let me know when available?
an episode on The Martian would be fantastic! keep up the good work
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The ship makes me think of the glow of London or Paris in the night but all gathered in one big ship shape...
The Cygnus was intended to be reminiscent of a gothic cathedral. Hence the external framework, the endless glass windows that lit it up from within, the steeple-like control tower, the vast main corridor, etc. the crew’s quarters were supposed to be reminiscent of a monk’s cell, complete with a cruciform light fixture/fan thing mounting above the beds. And of course you noted the chapel. The crew are wearing robes, which aren’t very functional, but give them a monastic appearance. (No women in the cygnus crew, didja notice?)
This was the art direction concept behind the design. There is a strong religious subtext in the movie, with all it’s references to Dante’s inferno, Reinhardt’s obvious God complex, and of course the ship flies into literal hell, where the Palomino crew are rescued apparently by an angel.
(The planet in the end was intended to be earth)
I've long thought The Black Hole would be a fine choice for a proper remake. While it suffered from uneven production values it was stunning to my ten year old self on the big screen.
You should do a video on the rocinante In The expanse
I love this movie, and the Cygnus is a large part of why. Coupled with the haunting musical score it's a very moody, spooky ship, one that haunted my imagination for years as a child. It and Maximillian (still one of cinema's most intimidating robots) are both triumphs of production design.
If Satan was a robot, he would be Maximilian.
Just found your channel, and I must say you've done some of my favorite sci-fi ship breakdowns I've seen.
Could you possible do some on some ships from the Expanse? They seem to me to be some of the mist realistic ships in modern sci-fi
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I always thought the Cygnus as a futuristic gothic style cathedral as supposed to an industrial site But I see your point as the ship does have pipes and tanks inside.
I always wondered if the crew quarters initially had doors or if they were always open to the central hallway. If the latter, what was the point? Anything crew members did off duty would be observed by everyone else (and some things are not enhanced by an audience). Also, the crew would have to sleep in shifts, so the entire crew quarters complex would have to be lit or in total darkness. Individual doors would solve all those problems.
Back when I was a kid (talking mid 80s here, I was born in 80) I loved this movie. One of the biggest reasons was that the ship was just awesome.
I have been utterly refusing to rewatch the movie as a whole ever since I grew up.... as the saying goes, let sleeping dogs lie.
I too have loved it since I was a kid, but the movie is still overall great even after all these years. I got it on DVD and watch it usually when I'm going to bed.
@@rjohnson80100 I do that with lectures from the Naval War College...... good bedtime stories (really, they have a ton of good lectures on their yt channel). Or I put on some random set of lectures from the Teaching Company..... then end up having dreams where I am arguing with a professor that never shuts up (really, I have had various versions of this dream countless times due to my proclivity for listening to lectures the way other people listen to bedtime stories).
That or I put on Master & Commander and let the sounds of Bach, the ocean waves and cannons thundering, lull me to sleep. :D
@@rjohnson80100 BTW, even if I watched the movie again as an adult, and even if I still loved it.... It would not be the same love that comes from 35 or so years ago. That is what I do not wish to ruin.
The problem of the film is simply that it came out too late.
It was inspired by the first Star Wars movie and was released in 1979. That's the same year Ridley Scott's "Alien" hit the cinemas and terrified a generation.
In fact, it came out half a year after "Alien", so people had not only just seen Sigourney Weaver escape a malfunctioning android, blow a horrifying space monster through an airlock and incinerate it with an engine, they also had enough time to process that movie. Now Disney joined in and their product contained a damsel in distress, cheesy robot guards (except for Maximilian) and unrealistic space physics. That made it look rather childish by comparison.
Had this film been released a decade earlier, it would have been a phenomenal success, but what came out was too little and too late.
Hey. Can you do a video about the Olympus Mons?
Wouldn't be surprised if that ship design was influencing some 40k ship designs
4:13 I would assume this had to do with the last part of Doctor Reinhardt's goal. In, through, and BEYOND. The probe ship was a better craft to make it through the black hole, but it's small, can't hold many supplies and likely had limited range. With the Cygnus he had a base with near limitless endurance from which to explore the worlds on the other side. With the probe ship, well unless there's a habitable world pretty close by where the ship emerges it is very likely doomed at the end of the movie.
The outside is very reminiscent of the Crystal Palace, even the control tower etc has echos of the Crystal Palace water towers. I think as you said - victorian archaic sort of feel about technology.
I guess echoing even Star Wars intro line ' a long time ago....'
Rather than a train statoin, to me the Cygnus always looked like a Victorian greenhouse or exhibition pavillion, making it seem like precious arboretum of life in the dead of space.
Space Battleship Yamato next?
I'd say she looks less like a Victorian train station and more like another famous Victorian structure, the Crystal Palace, a massive steel and glass pavilion built to house the Royal Exhibition in London
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The ship propably needed the anti-gravity gen to pass the event horizon, thats why the shuttle wouldnt do.
watch it when come out in a drive in movie theater
Can you please do an in depth Analysis on Interstellars Endurance starship
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Cygnus is the most steampunk looking spaceship ever.
Almost sounds like The Neverending Story sound track running in the background.
Will have to consider doing a video soundtrack using The Neverending Story music or
the Das Boot sound track.
2:25 probably to study the black hole. He was obsessed with it.
Respect ✊🏼 for the FX.
Don't forget it is in the calm spot of the black hole it is not using any power for the engines and the Hydroponics is providing food for the crew. For them to return home empty-handed after such a great expenditure would have been a total colossal failure and shame on that part that's why Reinhardt would not let them return home it would all have been wasted all for nothing.
I admit, I’m a sucker for metal trusses on space ships.
So, you would go through a Black Hole or a Wormhole with a small probe probe ship and no idea if you can return the same way? On the off-chance that there is a habitable planet in range where you can find food?
Unless the Cygnus takes critical damaged, she can be repaired and is self-sufficient. If she is damaged beyond repair, then you should still be able to repair the probe ship and look for a place to settle down. Even then there is a chance that you could return to the Cygnus with mined materials and do repairs. But if you get stuck with the probe ship your options are very limited.
they use "anti gravity".
i dont want to throw a curveball BUT the same laws that didnt allow you to exit a black hole apply to you if you use "anti gravity". if you would come near the event horizon the black hole would repel the ship as hard as a normal ship cant escape it.
you would need infinite power and since physics dont like infinity, you cant do anything.
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Please make video on covenant spacecraft from alien covenant.
Galacticus
1 month ago Not to mention some of the amazing spacecraft from "Space Battle Ship Yamato" such as the main hero ship "Yamato" herself, as well as the Comet Empire's mighty Karakulum class Battleship ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2202"), Earth's Andromeda class Battleship ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2202"), the Gamilon Kripitera class Destroyer ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2199"), the Comet Empire's Kukulcan class Destroyer (2202), the Comet Empire's Nazca class Strike Carrier (2202), and also the famous and well respected Zoelguut class Super-Dreadnought ("Space Battleship Yamato: 2199").
Is this the guy from the templin institute?
Now the question is can you find a connection with the league of adventurers or whatever it's called.
Can you do Milano and Benatar from Guardians Of The Galaxy?
Impractical, ridiculous, scientifically impossible? Yep! Absolutely gorgeous? Also yep!
Axion from wall e pls
Do a video on the interstellar space ships.
I was inspired by another comment on another video.
Do a video on the edunrance and lazurans spacecraft
what's the music on this video please?
Dance Electric by TrackTribe and Coastline by TrackTribe
@@hoojiwana cheers
BUT How big is it?
A great tragedy that the one surviving model of this ship was destroyed by a careless Disney forklift driver.
Mothership from passengers
It’s was a set designer’s wet dream!
here's a comment for the algorithm :P
2:33 how the hell they got from there to the ship below? Seen that scene many times and can find the narrow elevator shaft. Seems there´s no connection with the rest of the ship. And the large control room is on top, such a huge structure makes no sense to be so fragily built with all those exposed beams in the middle, and proportions seem to be all wrong...
checkout The Expanse
The exterior is certainly striking, but the interior just... doesn't make sense. At all.
The 1 thing I didn't like about this movie was how the Cygnus was out there for 20 years without any problems. Then, just to make the movie more dramatic, that asteroid field just happened to come along. Too convenient. Poor writing.
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I was expecting some kind of analisys... not a condensed resume
Familiar voice. Unfamiliar name. Eh?
Till this day I dont understand how this movie slipped past Disneys gatekeepers. Everyone who has seen it knows what Iam talking about.
I like the movie quite a lot but the effects are a bit embarrassing considering it came out two years after Star Wars.
Terrible movie
Loved this 🧚♀️ DISNEY™ movie as kid. Even this old classic is better than the new Disney Star Wars drivel. Really Disney? The whole movie plot is a ticking clock as a few rebel ships are being chased down until they run out of fuel and get destroyed (or some Hollywood I mean the force) miracle saves them? That was the movie plot? Not hapy
/Fangirl raging hard
/must ...not ...force choke the producer
/deep breath. MUST focus, find my center
All ranting aside, thank you for reviewing this not so common ship. As a child I never really noticed the ship's architecture styles but looking at it now, you're spot on 👍with the analysis. Wonderful video AS ALWAYS 🙂