Corner backs compete with ODB. Randy Moss utterly & completely destroyed CB's when he wanted to. There was literally nothing the entire secondary could do. Bigger, better, stronger faster. #goat
Not a single CB in the league can compete with OBJ one on one. They need to put a safety over the top and a linebacker playing the slants and drags. That's a triple team. Defenses know Giants had only one offensive scheme and that's to get Odell the ball, since they had no running game nor did they they have a deep ball game cause the oline couldn't block for too long. Also, no player in the league had been double teamed as much as OBJ in the last 2 years before his injury filled 2017 season. Now that Odell has Saquan Barkley watch how his game takes another level.
Vexon Megatron would be 2nd in my opinion. Moss was just different. Could jump higher than everybody, run faster than everybody, rarely dropped a pass, could make crazy catches with 2 or 3 guys on him. He literally changed the way defenses play n scheme for opposing wideouts. Not to mention he coined the term "you got mossed" Theres a reason they call him "The Freak"
I don't like the nickname for one reason and one reason only, and it's a petty reason, and that reason is... The nickname makes me hungry.I feel like going out to get something to eat every time they say snacks Harrison
Randy Moss is #1.... Period. He decimated any man coverage, double or even triple teams. Go watch the video of DeAngelo Hall talking about Randy Moss and the Hand
Moss changed the NFL!! new coverages had to be created to attest for Moss.The man had full time double coverage. Safety over the top full time was unheard of prior to 1997
I know this is late but the person who changed the game was Bob Hayes. Defenses went from straight man to zone and different schemes to try to stop him. Look it up.
Bob Hayes changed the game then Moss changed it again permanently. Cloud, bracket, cover 2 man, LINEBACKERS helping the bump with the corner like a punt return team. Changed the WR and corner athletic archetype. He took 2-3 men with him every play and Moss was still the first option on a chunk of the plays. It’s easy to see why he was on 2 of the top 3 or 4 (not sure anymore) highest scoring teams. 2 or 3 defenders were 40-50 yards down the field with Moss whether the QB looked or not. What are overall numbers worth when you’re so dominant that you are a decoy on a large chunk of offensive snaps? This is why if you didn’t actually watch Moss or you don’t know football you don’t really get it. Everybody who knows football knows the best corners don’t get the most picks after they are considered the best corners. The QB doesn’t test them. Moss career was essentially the same at WR. The first objective for most if not all of those defenses he faced was not getting beat deep by Moss so Moss as a decoy benefited the rest of the offense. Looking at stats alone confuses a lot of these fans. I’m picking Moss before anybody
Pure raw talent it’s moss hands down. He was big, fast, could catch in the middle of the field, could catch on the outside. Only reason randy is not the goat wr is his mentality and rings.
He's also called by greats like Bill Belichick as one of the smartest players he ever coached. Sometimes people take the talent and not credit how smart he was also.
Randy Moss was a gazelle with hands made of glue and the eyes of an eagle. He was amazing. The first time I saw him play with Tom Brady against the Jets seas eye opening. Seeing Moss in Minnesota I thought he was great, not so much in Oakland, but that's on Oakland. Being able to see him on the team I followed with great coaching and game planning alongside a quarterback that can hit him anywhere on the field and throw him open. That was the year I realised Tom Brady was not a product of his system or over hyped or just lucky. His first long TD on the Patriots against the Jets he was double covered at the line with a safety over the top to make him triple covered, and he just out ran all of them and caught the ball so easily with outstretched arms and the Jets players were falling further behind with every step; I didn't think there were men alive who were so much faster than everybody else. His ability to go to the ball and catch it in stride was unparalleled. He also had the jumping ability of an NBA player in a dunk contest. Just unbelievable. I think that even now he could be a first option on some teams and a second option in a top passing team, but he probably is getting a little old to keep getting tackled. I would sign him just to run a couple times when it's 3rd and 20+ or a Hail Mary situation and to have him stashed on my roster for a conference championship game or super bowl. He is just that gifted.
Why is this even a discussion...Moss was the most physically gifted receiver ever in the NFL...period. He didn’t have the best career...but physical ability...not even close
Corneill Hilaire Shannon's Big Brother watch his NFL speech it's very touching when he said being here with all these Hall of Famers and I'm not even the best player in my family he was referring to Sterling and got a big ovation but in the late 80s early 90s it was all about Sterling Sharpe and Jerry Rice
Sterling Sharpe was twice as good as Michael Irvin if you ask me. Those 7 years were better than any set of 7 you pick from Irvins career. Unfortunately longevity matters.
That's just not true. To say Sharpe was twice as good? Sharpe scored more TD's within a 7 seasons with 16 games played, but that's the only thing he had more in.
Exactly the point "on two of the best offenses ever" Randy had the better career but Calvin Johnson was was the most talented receiver to play the game, what he was able to do in his 10 years on the worst team in history is unmatched.
I grew up 30 miles from moss and Jason Williams... You should've seen them play basketball together.... White chocolate and the GREATEST receiving talent in history on the hardwood was INSANE!!!!
M T obj isnt in his prime yet. This argument is about TALENT and the players ceiling. Antonio Brown isnt a great talent which is why he went in the 6th round. Hes small and isnt breakneck fast. He is better then odell (right now) but he is not the better talent.
Snacks is a little bias and clouded. Odell is not in Randys universe. Randy was 6-4 210lbs. He ran a sub 4.3. Had almost a 40 inch very. Huge hands and played the ball in the air better than anyone ever. Also Randy would never get into the scrums and trash talking where it distracted the entire team. There's no argument here.
I'll tell you for me I'm biased. Cris carter has always been my favorite WR. Tho I know many were better, and more talented but homie was so graceful and his hands were unreal. Greatest wide receiver to me is Randy. I think I'm a fortunate fan who has seen the greatest athletes to date from Steve young to Vick. From MJ to Lebron. From Barry Bonds to Mike Trout. For those that are in my age group, 37 40. We are blessed to see some of the greatest that will ever be seen
Chris gets my respect for mentioning Sterling Sharpe. My personal all time favorite receiver. If he hadn't hurt his neck, he would have all the records. Deserves Hall like Gail Sayers injury shortened career. Still the best period.
I'll take Randy Moss everyday of the week rememberer Rice played 20 years hence the big numbers Moss with 20 years would have numbers no one would ever touch.
rickt1951 Rice did his damage year after year. He had the record for most records during the first half of his career. Look up Jerry’s year by year numbers. He was excellent every single year. Hardest worker, great teammate, and more productive than anyone ever. Jerry is also considered the Goat when it comes to football player at any position.
Compare the first 10 years of their careers and Rice still has more catches yards, and TD's. And that's not even including playoffs, where Rice shined, and Moss shrunk. And as far as Moss having numbers no one could touch, Moss was garbage by his 33rd birthday. Playing 20 years would have been an embarrassment for him. Rice>>>>>>>Moss. It really isn't that close either.
Randy Moss. I can't even mention another wr until they put another word in the dictionary. Y'all just got "Mossed" 2 of the top 3 all time single season offenses in NFL history. How are y'all mentioning a guy who had 0-16 season? You couldn't win one game? He was bigger than Moss, but not faster, not as good of hands either. I'm a cowboys fan but Odell is that dude.
Facts. Everywhere you go. High school, back yard, colleges, pros. Anytime a receiver goes deep and snags on a defender ... “ that boy moss,en on em” or “ he just got moss’ed”
OBJ isn't even the most talented WR rn. Julio imo is the most talent WR in the League rn. He's got every tool in the book, size speed strength can run every route, draws a double coverage majority of the snaps and still puts up top 3 WR stats. Not to mention the effect he has for his teammates.
rob 100 Yea he is. He probably isn’t even a top 5 receiver rn. He’s gotta learn to shut up and play and his fan base of middle school bandwagons value a highlight reel catch every year over consistency. He isn’t the biggest, fastest, strongest, best route runner, best hands or really the best at anything. He’s a great receiver but not the best or even close to it
All you gotta know about Moss was when he went up against Revised. I still remember Revis hyped up, "Revis Island this, Revis Island that" and what happened? Moss burned him over the top for a one-handed TD catch.
On top of being a better blocker we have these statistics Terell Owens Age Yards 33 1180 34 1355 35 1052 36 829 37 983 Randy Moss Age. Yards 33-34 393 35 434 36 Retired
Antonio Melgarejo TO also had more receiving yards per game. Oh and T.O. had 3 Rushing TDs while Moss had 0. That puts them both at 156 offensive TDs and Moss with an extra 1 from a Punt Return.
Albert Villalobos I say this all the time, Andre Johnson is extremely underrated. The only reason his stats aren’t more ridiculous is because of some injuries and they threw to the TE’s in the red zone more than him. Watch him play and you knew how special he was and not even a Texans fan
Randy Moss is the most talented WR EVER! Anyone who says anything else does not know football. Second would be Calvin Johnson. Jerry Rice is the GOAT, greatest player, but if we are talking TALENT, something you’re born with? It’s Randy Moss all day and then Megatron.
Randy Moss is the only reason anyone knows what the tampa 2(cover 2) defense exists. Randy taught non football minded players about a football schemes because his talent was so transcendent that game coverage had to be detailed to describe how teams would TRY to cover him. Randy changed the game forever.
Except that the Tampa 2 was started 2 years before Randy was even drafted. Cover 2 was started before Moss was even born by the 70's Steelers. I don't know why Moss fanboys continue to push this garbage.
Randy Moss is the greatest WR in history. I admire Rice for his route-running, work ethic and incredible durability but Moss was easily more of a problem and was the engine (with Brady) of the best team in modern memory - the 2007 Pats. Rice will own the record books because he was still a good receiver into his late 30s and early 40s. However, in GOAT debates across sports I give very little weighting to longevity once the player was no longer at the top. That and Rice had the West Coast Offense, Montana and Steve Young. Odell is a great athlete and could have starred in soccer or hockey, but he's not in Moss's league as a WR talent. Moss is the platonic ideal of a WR.
Most people say Brady lead that team but that's impossible considering it was the exact same season as 98 just slightly on steroids If two plays are different in 98 16-0 and a SB appearance and countless other similarities
Cavin was great but not close to Moss, and you are completely clueless if you think CJ was faster than Moss Lol. Moss is one of the fastest players in nfl history.
Add yourself to the list bro.you will go down as one of the all time greatest.as a lifelong Viking fan,I had the pleasure of seeing the absolute best pair of receivers to ever play the game.Moss,imho,is the g.o.a.t but you my man,without a dought,deserves to be in any conversation involving the all time bests
There are good receivers, great receivers, and legendary recievers...but Moss was a FREAK receiver...an absolute ‘no fair,’ cheat code, glitch-in-the matrix type player. He’s in the same freak club as Lawrence Taylor, Deion, and Barry Sanders. Guys like OBJ are awesome talents but a good system could shut them down. When Randy was on there was simply nothing you could no. Single coverage - no chance. Bring over the safety - too late. Prevent defense - maybe, but there was still a good chance he could just out-jump everyone.
Randy Moss is the greatest to play WR and he did it his way. His double move is second to none look at Randy’s highlights majority of those balls he not only caught but turned into TDs but were horrible throws and if they weren’t bad throws the were in windows the size of pinholes.
When Randy Moss plays he looks so effortless whereas others have to fight ya know. Heh Not saying Randy doesn't it's just you can tell when someone is gifted and when someone has had to earn that talent.
First of all I want to see Odell play big time in an important game, meaning a playoff game before I even consider him. All I remember is him being a complete failure in that playoff game against the Green Bay Packers.
That’s a fair point but these guys are talking about merely physical talent. Everyone knows Odell could have made those catches he dropped in the playoffs since he makes tougher routinely. He was just stuck in his own head maybe overthinking being in the playoffs. That’s definitely a sign that he isn’t there yet mentally if he can get in his own way like that but as a simple physical talent, he’s up there.
J Black the only stupid one is you. Randy Moss played when he wanted to play. Give me a wideout like T.O. that goes hard ALL THE TIME. He also basically ran out route. T.O. went deep, went across the middle, and was a more well-rounded wideout. Randy went deep and alligator armed it across the middle.
“Winning is a part of it.” Thoughts of Calvin Johnson a Patriot. Not as good as Randy Moss, but still worth a thought. “Best Ever” subject for another day...Barry Sanders.
It took Randy Moss 16 games to break Jerry's single season TD record by one. Jerry Rice only played 12 games the season he caught 22 TDs cuz of the NFL strike; he was on pace to score 29 TDs that season.. Just shows how great Jerry really is when you use the "if" argument with Jerry
If it was in the same era you would have a point. Also, Rice played plenty of 16 game seasons. Why didn’t he break his own record? Or even come close to 22 for that matter? Logically their had to be something about the strike season that made that 22 attainable.
Xavier Vega That’s your opinion. I can see it being tougher as far as what was a penalty and what was not but that’s it. The majority DB’s were more talented and refined in Moss era. Rice played in a game changing West Coast offense that focused on passing the ball while the vast majority of the league was running the ball still. It makes sense that DB’s became more athletic and more refined in their position as the league evolved into a passing league. Rice had the most targets in the NFL for years. So what was tougher?
yall forgetting about Calvin Johnson.... the man had the best receiving numbers a wr could ever had in a season, if he was still playing he would still be putting up numbers, it just that lions doesnt want to give him up and they wasnt treating him right so he retired early which it is dumb. the only player closer to his receiving yards number in a season is julio. Calvin played hurt through out his career he a 6'5 245 beast who ran a 4.3 40 common now thats a once in a generation player. and its not like he cant play the man can still play he is 32
James Kennedy II Nobody's taken anything from Calvin but he's not even close to Randy Moss in talent. Yes he was bigger but he wasn't as fast as Randy, didn't have better hands, Nobody was really worried about him catching the ball and going 70 yards. Anytime Moss touched the ball it was the potential to be 6. Did you know Moss was so explosive that his rookie year when the Vikings needed a big play they let him return punts at 6'4. Just go back and watch Calvin's highlights and Randy's highlights and you can see the difference.
Randy wasnt better nor faster... he played longer than calvin but calvin wouldve definitely passed him in career yards. Randy played for 14 years soooo ofc he gonna have better stats. Calvin is more of a bigger Threat short routes than randy. Calvin runs after catch was crazy.
The most talented strictly based on talent would have been Calvin Johnson. Easily. There has never been a WR of that size, speed, route running, and athleticism to play the game. At 6'5 ran a 4.32, with a 42 inch vertical, and oh I forgot he was 250 ripped. Put him with a QB like Tom Brady there wouldn't have been any WR record he could not have broken.
The Truth weird lol I could have sworn he had the single season receiving yards record and dragged the lions to their first playoff appearance in forever I guess that actually didn’t happen lol
@@mgraber1 you must dont watch a lot of football. Detroit moved CJ all over the field he played in the slot and the outside. The only routes that Moss ran was the fly and post routed. So what are you really saying.
@@BYUBOY33 LOL Randy had an All Pro QB's in Cunningham and Culpepper. WAY better QB's than what Andre Johnson had, and better QB's than Larry Fitzgerald had as well.
Who do you think is the most talented WR?
Antonio Brown > OBJ
Andre Reed not Rice
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright
ever? Jerry Rice imo
Calvin Johnson most talented ever not even close
Are we just gunna forget Calvin Johnson?
Corner backs compete with ODB. Randy Moss utterly & completely destroyed CB's when he wanted to. There was literally nothing the entire secondary could do. Bigger, better, stronger faster. #goat
change that pic man. we know you white. good comment though
Not a single CB in the league can compete with OBJ one on one. They need to put a safety over the top and a linebacker playing the slants and drags. That's a triple team. Defenses know Giants had only one offensive scheme and that's to get Odell the ball, since they had no running game nor did they they have a deep ball game cause the oline couldn't block for too long. Also, no player in the league had been double teamed as much as OBJ in the last 2 years before his injury filled 2017 season. Now that Odell has Saquan Barkley watch how his game takes another level.
Moss is definitely the most talented...if he had better work ethic he may have been the best football player ever
Tell that to the Giants
blazinpyromaniac Xavier Rodes completely locked him up.
Moss. No debate. NOBODY scared defenses more than Randy. Period.
Zac Johnson agreed
Nobody was afraid of him when he didn't wanna play tho. lmao
Nick Ludwig the fact that he didnt play hard 100% of the time makes his numbers even more impressive. Imagine what his numbers would be if he did.
Megatron?
Vexon Megatron would be 2nd in my opinion. Moss was just different. Could jump higher than everybody, run faster than everybody, rarely dropped a pass, could make crazy catches with 2 or 3 guys on him. He literally changed the way defenses play n scheme for opposing wideouts. Not to mention he coined the term "you got mossed" Theres a reason they call him "The Freak"
Snacks Harrison is one of the greatest names I’ve ever heard
ProdByOnetime Snacks Hammer
Second only to a Drugs Delaney
ProdByOnetime his actual name is Damion Harrison snack is a nick name
I hope u know Snacks is his nickname lol, Damon is his real name sorry to burst your bubble
I don't like the nickname for one reason and one reason only, and it's a petty reason, and that reason is... The nickname makes me hungry.I feel like going out to get something to eat every time they say snacks Harrison
Chris is actually one of the best of all time
Matthew Sanchez yes he is, no question. Best hands ever of any receiver.
Cris*
He wasn't the deep threat that Moss was, but, he is Mr. Open and ball caught.
Some of the catches Chris Carter made were crazy, fantastic along the sidelines, sure hands. Moss would not have been Moss without Chris Carter….
Moss made teams change the way they draft DB's.
Randy Moss is #1.... Period. He decimated any man coverage, double or even triple teams. Go watch the video of DeAngelo Hall talking about Randy Moss and the Hand
#1 will always be Jerry Rice.
@dboyBR225 LOL Moss was a frontrunner mentally. When the chips were down he folded like a cheap suit.
@dboyBR225 Until the playoffs started. Like I said, Moss was great when things were going his way. When things didn't go his way he tended to quit.
@dboyBR225 Watch the 2000 NFC championship.
Moss #1
They can't jump with me. Gahlee
RAID3R63: Moss was a Freak on the field.
GAHHH-LEEEE
Just throw the ball up!
They don't play the PlayStation like us!
Eric Hanson 😂😂
Randy Moss - period! I can vividly remember when Moss came in as a rookie and straight up changed the game...
Moss changed the NFL!! new coverages had to be created to attest for Moss.The man had full time double coverage. Safety over the top full time was unheard of prior to 1997
Rickey Haynes you are 100% right about that
Chris Paul bullet bob
@Chris Paul CB legs would shake before the snap when they lined up against Randy. Players from different teams have confirmed this
I know this is late but the person who changed the game was Bob Hayes. Defenses went from straight man to zone and different schemes to try to stop him. Look it up.
Bob Hayes changed the game then Moss changed it again permanently. Cloud, bracket, cover 2 man, LINEBACKERS helping the bump with the corner like a punt return team. Changed the WR and corner athletic archetype. He took 2-3 men with him every play and Moss was still the first option on a chunk of the plays. It’s easy to see why he was on 2 of the top 3 or 4 (not sure anymore) highest scoring teams. 2 or 3 defenders were 40-50 yards down the field with Moss whether the QB looked or not. What are overall numbers worth when you’re so dominant that you are a decoy on a large chunk of offensive snaps? This is why if you didn’t actually watch Moss or you don’t know football you don’t really get it. Everybody who knows football knows the best corners don’t get the most picks after they are considered the best corners. The QB doesn’t test them. Moss career was essentially the same at WR. The first objective for most if not all of those defenses he faced was not getting beat deep by Moss so Moss as a decoy benefited the rest of the offense. Looking at stats alone confuses a lot of these fans. I’m picking Moss before anybody
Pure raw talent it’s moss hands down. He was big, fast, could catch in the middle of the field, could catch on the outside. Only reason randy is not the goat wr is his mentality and rings.
Punit Modi don't forget Rice had Montana, Young, Gannon and when Randy was given Brady look what happened
He's also called by greats like Bill Belichick as one of the smartest players he ever coached. Sometimes people take the talent and not credit how smart he was also.
Catch in the middle of the field? Moss ran 9 routes all game and was fast. He alligator armed a lot over the middle.
@@jasong4655 Yeah, he choked in the Super Bowl. Like he always did in the postseason.
@Steven Enno Mentality means giving 100% EVERY game, and then stepping your game EVEN FURTHER come playoff time. Rice did those things, Moss didn't
Randy Moss was a gazelle with hands made of glue and the eyes of an eagle. He was amazing. The first time I saw him play with Tom Brady against the Jets seas eye opening. Seeing Moss in Minnesota I thought he was great, not so much in Oakland, but that's on Oakland. Being able to see him on the team I followed with great coaching and game planning alongside a quarterback that can hit him anywhere on the field and throw him open. That was the year I realised Tom Brady was not a product of his system or over hyped or just lucky. His first long TD on the Patriots against the Jets he was double covered at the line with a safety over the top to make him triple covered, and he just out ran all of them and caught the ball so easily with outstretched arms and the Jets players were falling further behind with every step; I didn't think there were men alive who were so much faster than everybody else. His ability to go to the ball and catch it in stride was unparalleled. He also had the jumping ability of an NBA player in a dunk contest. Just unbelievable. I think that even now he could be a first option on some teams and a second option in a top passing team, but he probably is getting a little old to keep getting tackled. I would sign him just to run a couple times when it's 3rd and 20+ or a Hail Mary situation and to have him stashed on my roster for a conference championship game or super bowl. He is just that gifted.
You are absolutely right.
Jerry rice the goat
Randy "the freak" moss was the most talented
Randy Moss is the most talented & dangerous WR ever!
He scored on double coverage, even triple coverage at times...
so did Megatron. FOH LOL.
@@kingmightyquinn07 No one said nothing about Terrell Owens.
He was a beast too doe. No Doubt.
OBJ is still riding that catch against the Cowboys in a game they lost like 3 seasons ago
Right. Fax fax fax. 👏👏👏
Odell hasnt played long enough to compare him to Moss or Rice and imo he isnt even the most talented playing now
some guy
AB
Chris Lang Julio as well
#Factz.... he's more like a Chad Johnson at this point
Shooot, I'll even take Deandre Hopkins.
some guy AB ALL DAY
Randy moss my favorite wide receiver ever. Was a real deal freak of nature
Randy Moss was hands down the most talented receiver..
Why is this even a discussion...Moss was the most physically gifted receiver ever in the NFL...period. He didn’t have the best career...but physical ability...not even close
CHRIS CARTER HAD THE BEST HANDS.....THAT I EVER SEEN!!!!.....but he can't say that...so I will!!!!
VERY TRUE, I BEEN TELL CATS FOR YEARS THAT JERRY HAD GOOD HANDS BUT I SEEN CRIS CATCH SOME UNBELIEVABLE BALLS!!!
Fax facts facts...its really not even debatable
Best hands ever. Better than Jerry, Randy and everybody else he just named. He made impossible one handed catches consistently in games.
Very true he made some of the best catches I've ever seen
Hakim Smith I would agree with that, Carter was always Clutch, but so was Moss, Both very great players for sure!
See Sterling Sharp was a beast if he wouldn't have hurt his neck boy oh boy
Alvin Frazier he was one of the first WR to have 100 catches in a season he was a beast!
Is he related to Shannon Sharpe?
Corneill Hilaire that's his brother
Sterling is Shanon's older brother. Straight beast. Great hands.
Corneill Hilaire Shannon's Big Brother watch his NFL speech it's very touching when he said being here with all these Hall of Famers and I'm not even the best player in my family he was referring to Sterling and got a big ovation but in the late 80s early 90s it was all about Sterling Sharpe and Jerry Rice
Sterling Sharpe was twice as good as Michael Irvin if you ask me. Those 7 years were better than any set of 7 you pick from Irvins career. Unfortunately longevity matters.
Sharpe is way underrated !!
Michael Irvin is so overrated. I wonder how good he'd be if he weren't using speed. Stupid cokehead.
That's just not true. To say Sharpe was twice as good? Sharpe scored more TD's within a 7 seasons with 16 games played, but that's the only thing he had more in.
Randy moss hands down... hes the best player on 2 of the best offenses ever...
Exactly the point "on two of the best offenses ever" Randy had the better career but Calvin Johnson was was the most talented receiver to play the game, what he was able to do in his 10 years on the worst team in history is unmatched.
@@vividconclusions3796 wrong calvin is not more talented than Randy Moss
I grew up 30 miles from moss and Jason Williams... You should've seen them play basketball together.... White chocolate and the GREATEST receiving talent in history on the hardwood was INSANE!!!!
Randy Moss💯✊🏾 is da most talented receiver I ever seen even tho I’m only 19 but I seen his game n I was shocked🙌🏾
Julio Jones more talented than Odell
BigmoneyBrickwall facts
Julio Jones and Antonio Brown are both more talented than OBJ. Larry Fitz in his prime > OBJ on his best day.
BigmoneyBrickwall. Yes
M T obj isnt in his prime yet. This argument is about TALENT and the players ceiling. Antonio Brown isnt a great talent which is why he went in the 6th round. Hes small and isnt breakneck fast. He is better then odell (right now) but he is not the better talent.
BigmoneyBrickwall He is.....BUT JJ doesn't know how to deal with being dbl teamed
Snacks is a little bias and clouded. Odell is not in Randys universe. Randy was 6-4 210lbs. He ran a sub 4.3. Had almost a 40 inch very. Huge hands and played the ball in the air better than anyone ever. Also Randy would never get into the scrums and trash talking where it distracted the entire team. There's no argument here.
Yes. Moss was built to be a WR like Phelps was built to swim. Freak gentics and the talent and intrest. Just the perfect, once-in-history combo
Rice is the goat , but Moss had the god given talent. If Moss had rices and T.O's work ethic it would be over!!! Obj isn't even the best right now.
Mad giants fan n i love Odell but you said real facts bro. Hate to admit it but u 100% right
4.1
Calvin Johnson 6-5 237lbs 4.3 40 43in Vertical. Need I say more. Go look at some tape lol.
I'll tell you for me I'm biased. Cris carter has always been my favorite WR. Tho I know many were better, and more talented but homie was so graceful and his hands were unreal. Greatest wide receiver to me is Randy. I think I'm a fortunate fan who has seen the greatest athletes to date from Steve young to Vick. From MJ to Lebron. From Barry Bonds to Mike Trout. For those that are in my age group, 37 40. We are blessed to see some of the greatest that will ever be seen
Jordan to Kobe*
Yo Randy Moss WAS RUINOUS to defenses He took the TOP OFF!
Chris gets my respect for mentioning Sterling Sharpe. My personal all time favorite receiver. If he hadn't hurt his neck, he would have all the records. Deserves Hall like Gail Sayers injury shortened career. Still the best period.
I'll take Randy Moss everyday of the week rememberer Rice played 20 years hence the big numbers Moss with 20 years would have numbers no one would ever touch.
rickt1951 Rice did his damage year after year. He had the record for most records during the first half of his career. Look up Jerry’s year by year numbers. He was excellent every single year. Hardest worker, great teammate, and more productive than anyone ever. Jerry is also considered the Goat when it comes to football player at any position.
Compare the first 10 years of their careers and Rice still has more catches yards, and TD's. And that's not even including playoffs, where Rice shined, and Moss shrunk.
And as far as Moss having numbers no one could touch, Moss was garbage by his 33rd birthday. Playing 20 years would have been an embarrassment for him.
Rice>>>>>>>Moss. It really isn't that close either.
Moss didn't last long because he had no strength
Moss didnt have to run routes... All he needed to do was go deep. There was a game he had 3 catches, 180+ yards and 3 TDs... That's video game stats.
Love how people forget about Marvin Harrison.
I agree randy moss was wayyyyy faster than obj. Just look up his game against the Cowboys his ROOKIE year. The man was phenomenal.
When i grew there was very little video game play we played football when you caught a ball over someone you would say mossed em... Goat
Randy was so talented the defense lined up on him like he was a gunner on the punt team LOL
Most raw athletically talented WR ever? Ever? Everything Cris said. Jerry is the goat but Randy is #1 and it’s not even close.
Megatron aka Calvin Johnson Talent is up there but Moss Man when you look at the highlights it’s hard not to agree
Moss is the Goat to me . 🤙 Carter still my favorite all time tho . Dude work ethic was 1st class
Randy Moss. I can't even mention another wr until they put another word in the dictionary. Y'all just got "Mossed"
2 of the top 3 all time single season offenses in NFL history. How are y'all mentioning a guy who had 0-16 season? You couldn't win one game? He was bigger than Moss, but not faster, not as good of hands either. I'm a cowboys fan but Odell is that dude.
and its still used to this day! lol
Jeff Samuels I'm a cowboys fan too. AB got this to me.
Jerry rice way better than moss
You might want to see the QBs of that 0-16 season
Facts. Everywhere you go. High school, back yard, colleges, pros. Anytime a receiver goes deep and snags on a defender ... “ that boy moss,en on em” or “ he just got moss’ed”
OBJ isn't even the most talented WR rn. Julio imo is the most talent WR in the League rn. He's got every tool in the book, size speed strength can run every route, draws a double coverage majority of the snaps and still puts up top 3 WR stats. Not to mention the effect he has for his teammates.
Squidtards' First Cousin he’s never had more than ten TDs
king cooper TD’s aren’t everything. OBJ demands the ball because he’s a stat chaser. Julio is quiet but puts up way more yards.
I can remember when Paul Warfield was in Cleveland, and in all that time Randy Moss is the best I’ve ever seen, period....
Randy Moss will always be #1 to me. He's also my favorite Prevent Defense end zone DB
Odell is so overrated, i will take Antonio Brown over him any day.
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Yep.
Odell is not overrated
Or Deandre Hopkins
rob 100 Yea he is. He probably isn’t even a top 5 receiver rn. He’s gotta learn to shut up and play and his fan base of middle school bandwagons value a highlight reel catch every year over consistency. He isn’t the biggest, fastest, strongest, best route runner, best hands or really the best at anything. He’s a great receiver but not the best or even close to it
All you gotta know about Moss was when he went up against Revised. I still remember Revis hyped up, "Revis Island this, Revis Island that" and what happened? Moss burned him over the top for a one-handed TD catch.
On top of being a better blocker we have these statistics
Terell Owens
Age Yards
33 1180
34 1355
35 1052
36 829
37 983
Randy Moss
Age. Yards
33-34 393
35 434
36 Retired
Oh but TO dropped more passes. 😧
T.O Catch%
96 - 60.3
97 - 58.3
98 - 64.4
99 - 61.2
00 - 66.4
01 - 60.0
02 - 62.9
03 - 54.8
04 - 60.6
05 - 51.1
06 - 56.7
07 - 57.4 (PB+AP at 34)
08 - 49.3
09 - 50.5
10 - 51.8
Moss Catch%
98 - 55.6
99 - 58.4
00 - 59.7
01 - 53.2
02 - 57.3
03 - 64.5
04 - 57.0
05 - 48.8
06 - 43.8
07 - 61.3
08 - 55.2
09 - 60.6
10 - 44.4
12 - 56.0
MG23 but look at the stats Moss is second in TD catches CASE CLOSED STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE
Antonio Melgarejo Because of Brady. Who has more Yards and Catches? Moss with +3 TDs vs TO with a better catch%.
Antonio Melgarejo
TO also had more receiving yards per game.
Oh and T.O. had 3 Rushing TDs while Moss had 0. That puts them both at 156 offensive TDs and Moss with an extra 1 from a Punt Return.
MG23 i love to, but moss had more raw talent.
Moss is the most talented by far the game has and will see
Jerry Rice is the G.O.A.T PERIOD
Something special about how CC speaks about the receiver position.
Cris carter: Snacks says that because he is like a big brother to obj and teammate.
Also Cris carter: Randy Moss is the most talented WR ever.
Ctfu!
Oh, the accuracy!
Moss is the one above all. Period.
Respect to Megatron but my man Andre Johnson is one of the most pure talented atheletes I've ever seen
Albert Villalobos I say this all the time, Andre Johnson is extremely underrated. The only reason his stats aren’t more ridiculous is because of some injuries and they threw to the TE’s in the red zone more than him. Watch him play and you knew how special he was and not even a Texans fan
Yes, extremely underrated. Top 3 of his era and top 10 all time, yup, I said it.
Props to Cris Carter for mentioning James Lofton. I was just thinking the SAME thing !
Larry Fitzgerald > Des Bryant
Lol. Of course. This debate isn't even close.
Duh
Never heard of Des Bryant
LOL that goes without saying. Dez is a pure underachiever.
Dez Bryant incredible athlete average receiver
Randy Moss & Calvin Johnson omg triple coverage never worked 2 beasts but Randy was the greatest
Randy Moss is the most talented WR EVER! Anyone who says anything else does not know football. Second would be Calvin Johnson. Jerry Rice is the GOAT, greatest player, but if we are talking TALENT, something you’re born with? It’s Randy Moss all day and then Megatron.
MegaTron
By far the talented and gifted WR. In NFL History. Hands down
Randy best WR ever and I’ve seen them all in their prime as early as jerry rice. End of story no debate.
Can someone explain how Beckham is in the conversation with Antonio Brown or Julio Jones? He’s a very good player, but the media hype has to stop.
Moss and there's zero argument otherwise.
Moss is the most talented.
Growing up playing football
I'm going to moss you was the catch saying for me
Moss a man among boys.
Randy Moss end of story.
Nonpareil 78 no. When it comes to talent Megatron beats moss
Randy Moss is the only reason anyone knows what the tampa 2(cover 2) defense exists. Randy taught non football minded players about a football schemes because his talent was so transcendent that game coverage had to be detailed to describe how teams would TRY to cover him. Randy changed the game forever.
Except that the Tampa 2 was started 2 years before Randy was even drafted. Cover 2 was started before Moss was even born by the 70's Steelers.
I don't know why Moss fanboys continue to push this garbage.
Randy Moss is the greatest WR in history. I admire Rice for his route-running, work ethic and incredible durability but Moss was easily more of a problem and was the engine (with Brady) of the best team in modern memory - the 2007 Pats. Rice will own the record books because he was still a good receiver into his late 30s and early 40s. However, in GOAT debates across sports I give very little weighting to longevity once the player was no longer at the top. That and Rice had the West Coast Offense, Montana and Steve Young.
Odell is a great athlete and could have starred in soccer or hockey, but he's not in Moss's league as a WR talent. Moss is the platonic ideal of a WR.
Most people say Brady lead that team but that's impossible considering it was the exact same season as 98 just slightly on steroids
If two plays are different in 98 16-0 and a SB appearance and countless other similarities
Randy is the GOAT
Uhmm have they heard of Megatron?
Calvin was great but he doesnt compare to Moss.
Megatron was an alien faster stronger hands..couldnt stop.him
Cavin was great but not close to Moss, and you are completely clueless if you think CJ was faster than Moss Lol. Moss is one of the fastest players in nfl history.
Tarell Owens
Owens was great but not on Randy's level.
Randy is the GOAT Chris Carter u was good too
OBJ is extremely talented but I wouldn’t even put him top 3 in the league TODAY for talent.
Julio, AB, and DHop in no particular order.
Add yourself to the list bro.you will go down as one of the all time greatest.as a lifelong Viking fan,I had the pleasure of seeing the absolute best pair of receivers to ever play the game.Moss,imho,is the g.o.a.t but you my man,without a dought,deserves to be in any conversation involving the all time bests
There are good receivers, great receivers, and legendary recievers...but Moss was a FREAK receiver...an absolute ‘no fair,’ cheat code, glitch-in-the matrix type player. He’s in the same freak club as Lawrence Taylor, Deion, and Barry Sanders. Guys like OBJ are awesome talents but a good system could shut them down. When Randy was on there was simply nothing you could no. Single coverage - no chance. Bring over the safety - too late. Prevent defense - maybe, but there was still a good chance he could just out-jump everyone.
Randy Moss is the greatest to play WR and he did it his way. His double move is second to none look at Randy’s highlights majority of those balls he not only caught but turned into TDs but were horrible throws and if they weren’t bad throws the were in windows the size of pinholes.
MOSS.
Cris Carter is so well spoken
Randy is the greatest. I like megatron. But that boy Randy is cold!
And I agree with Chris Randy Moss is the most talented receiver that I haven't seen
When Randy Moss plays he looks so effortless whereas others have to fight ya know. Heh Not saying Randy doesn't it's just you can tell when someone is gifted and when someone has had to earn that talent.
cc my favorite next to the great Mr Rice .. glad i grew up in an era when my true love to watch this sport grew ..that I got to watch this man play
Randy Moss was amazing..easily the most talented..Odell is a beast but..Moss talented was definitely moss.
NOBODY compares to MOSS at the WR position in terms of talent. NOBODY.
First of all I want to see Odell play big time in an important game, meaning a playoff game before I even consider him. All I remember is him being a complete failure in that playoff game against the Green Bay Packers.
That’s a fair point but these guys are talking about merely physical talent. Everyone knows Odell could have made those catches he dropped in the playoffs since he makes tougher routinely. He was just stuck in his own head maybe overthinking being in the playoffs. That’s definitely a sign that he isn’t there yet mentally if he can get in his own way like that but as a simple physical talent, he’s up there.
How can you say that when Moss never even won a Super Bowl? How many important playoff games did he win? 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
J Black the only stupid one is you. Randy Moss played when he wanted to play. Give me a wideout like T.O. that goes hard ALL THE TIME. He also basically ran out route. T.O. went deep, went across the middle, and was a more well-rounded wideout. Randy went deep and alligator armed it across the middle.
“Winning is a part of it.” Thoughts of Calvin Johnson a Patriot. Not as good as Randy Moss, but still worth a thought.
“Best Ever” subject for another day...Barry Sanders.
It took Randy Moss 16 games to break Jerry's single season TD record by one. Jerry Rice only played 12 games the season he caught 22 TDs cuz of the NFL strike; he was on pace to score 29 TDs that season.. Just shows how great Jerry really is when you use the "if" argument with Jerry
If it was in the same era you would have a point. Also, Rice played plenty of 16 game seasons. Why didn’t he break his own record? Or even come close to 22 for that matter? Logically their had to be something about the strike season that made that 22 attainable.
@@Boxinggenius1 Same era? Rice did it in a MUCH tougher era of defense.
Xavier Vega That’s your opinion. I can see it being tougher as far as what was a penalty and what was not but that’s it. The majority DB’s were more talented and refined in Moss era. Rice played in a game changing West Coast offense that focused on passing the ball while the vast majority of the league was running the ball still. It makes sense that DB’s became more athletic and more refined in their position as the league evolved into a passing league. Rice had the most targets in the NFL for years. So what was tougher?
You just can’t hate on CC’s explanation of ANYTHING. He goes of off facts not just biased opinion ls
yall forgetting about Calvin Johnson.... the man had the best receiving numbers a wr could ever had in a season, if he was still playing he would still be putting up numbers, it just that lions doesnt want to give him up and they wasnt treating him right so he retired early which it is dumb. the only player closer to his receiving yards number in a season is julio. Calvin played hurt through out his career he a 6'5 245 beast who ran a 4.3 40 common now thats a once in a generation player. and its not like he cant play the man can still play he is 32
He also had a 45 vert. Dude was a god.
Played in a league when passing started to became absurd. Also being that big, not a crisp route runner. He had his flaws
James Kennedy II Nobody's taken anything from Calvin but he's not even close to Randy Moss in talent. Yes he was bigger but he wasn't as fast as Randy, didn't have better hands, Nobody was really worried about him catching the ball and going 70 yards. Anytime Moss touched the ball it was the potential to be 6. Did you know Moss was so explosive that his rookie year when the Vikings needed a big play they let him return punts at 6'4. Just go back and watch Calvin's highlights and Randy's highlights and you can see the difference.
Randy wasnt better nor faster... he played longer than calvin but calvin wouldve definitely passed him in career yards. Randy played for 14 years soooo ofc he gonna have better stats. Calvin is more of a bigger Threat short routes than randy. Calvin runs after catch was crazy.
Lol Calvin ran a 4.35 and he had 50 pounds on Moss
Randy Moss most talented 47 inch vert 4.28 40.... Jerry Rice the greatest.
Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson are monsters. OBJ isn’t at their level overall.
Randy Moss, for sure.
The most talented strictly based on talent would have been Calvin Johnson. Easily. There has never been a WR of that size, speed, route running, and athleticism to play the game. At 6'5 ran a 4.32, with a 42 inch vertical, and oh I forgot he was 250 ripped. Put him with a QB like Tom Brady there wouldn't have been any WR record he could not have broken.
Facts
too bad he couldn't catch the football lol
The Truth weird lol I could have sworn he had the single season receiving yards record and dragged the lions to their first playoff appearance in forever I guess that actually didn’t happen lol
Uh, he couldn't hold on to the ball, and was a mediocre route runner.
@@mgraber1 you must dont watch a lot of football. Detroit moved CJ all over the field he played in the slot and the outside. The only routes that Moss ran was the fly and post routed. So what are you really saying.
when nick said that at 5:30 CC made that face like he was tryna hold that in for years lmao.
Randy is the most talented wide out ever, end of discussion
Humble for CC not to mention himself in the best list
Will someone please just say the name "Julio Jones"
I think Calvin or randy would be the most talented. God given abilities are second to none
That’s the thing with these new mfs they don’t understand how great randy Moss was
Moss might be the only player who would have given Neon fits if both were in their prime.
Randy "TheFreak" Moss the greatest of all time sorry Jerry Rice :)
Randy Moss most talented, Jerry Rice best career, Steve Largent best off the line of scrimmage, Biletnikoff best hands, Lynn Swann best in big games.
imagine if Andre Johnson ever had a competent QB.
RockSo GVO imagine if Fitzgerald would have had consistency at QB
Randy didnt have one for all but the Brady years. Still crushed the NFL.
@@BYUBOY33 LOL Randy had an All Pro QB's in Cunningham and Culpepper. WAY better QB's than what Andre Johnson had, and better QB's than Larry Fitzgerald had as well.
Chris Carter A.k.a warrior for Christ!!