You are in the wrong business my friend, you should make more instructional videos. Love your humour. Edit: Have ridden about 2000km since fitting Planet3 and it makes the bike soooo much better. No more riding along at 27.5km/hr with the motor constantly clicking in and out. I have also fitted the remote buttons to make changing assistance level fast and easy. This is truly the way it was meant to be.
Hi Greg, well.. your wish may come true after all! Since I'm slowly going out of business due to my lack of marketing abilities (read: I feel like a sleazy scumbag if I try to push shit on people via social media), I might decide to become an absolute UA-cam sensation one of these days. Then I can make fun of e-bike influencers who say a lot without saying anything and repeat word-for-word marketing pamphlets given to them by the manufacturers, while at the same time I take an absolute shit on the industry which should be regulated. :>
I ordered this item last Wednesday and it arrived 2 days later. Very easy to install and works very well. I did read some comments that it reduces battery life but this is mainly only true if one is tempted to ride above ones normal assistance level and of course if you ride over the nominal 15.5 with the new assistance. To help offset this I have now fitted a new Specialized accessory which gives thumb buttons to control assistance levels on the handle bars so they now work in a sequential manner; 3,2,1 on the left and 1,2,3 on the right, as opposed to the previous 1,2,3,1,2,3. The reason why this helps battery life, is is now much easier to drop an assistance level if you do not need it So far this is a great product from a reliable provider. The only slight negative is the price is very high for the actual parts, but I suppose initiative and ingenuity has a price
Seems like a bargain given the cost to possibly manufacture this stuff in low volumes plus the engineering associated w it. It's also nice to know I'm not supporting Chinese slave labor.
Hey! Thanks for amazing videos, both funny and informative. I have a question though - if I understand this correctly your displayed speed limit will show 3,03 times lower of a speed than it actually is, correct?
will this work on a Vado 4.0? i have an onyx racing hub in the rear. so this is using a planetary gear reduction set to change the tone ring hz so the bike things its going slower than it is? this will change the spedo read out as well?
Love your way of making this video 😂👍 When this is installed does the App still works to program the different levels of power ? And can you tell me where it ships from ? I’m located in the Netherlands and just want to know how long it takes to reach me. Thanks.
Hi Richard. Yes, you can use all aspects of Mission Control to tune the bike. It's only the ride recording that you should maybe skip. Since the motor will register 3x lower values of speed and distance, at some point Specialized might start comparing GPS data they use to draw the ride map with speed sensor data and use that against users. For now they don't. But you can use Strava or a Garmin or whatever else. As far as shipping goes, it's DHL Express and it should be with you next day. Ships out from Bosnia, company is IOSS registered and EU VAT is all taken care of. You order via the webshop, it'll ship Monday and Tuesday it's in your hands. That's the M.O. 99% of the time. Sometimes DHL sends it to Turkey or some shit and then I have to yell at them. Rarely happens, but still. 😁
Hi, I have a Riece & Muller Superdelight with a Bosch Performance Line Speed Gen 4 motor, Roloff Speed hub and Gates Belt Drive. Do you have anything or know of anything that will derestrict the motor and not cause harm.
Hi, well I don't have it at the moment but will in about a month or so. In the meantime, if you're in a hurry I suggest looking into the dongle market for 4th Gen Bosch (PearTune MSO 3.0, VolSpeed, Speedbox etc).
They do.. :) Simply pick a Levo HT at test.planet3.bike/shop/ using the filters and just compare the rear hub with the photo of the DHT-148S in the product gallery. Should be 100% identical and all Levo HTs are the same from 2017 to 2021.
I have creo comp bike, so I have to replace the hub end cap but I can't pull it off to replace it with the other. I tried it with many tools but it stays on its place.. It's like the end cap is not a piece apart. Can this be true?
Hi Jurgen, can you send me an image taken through the end cap via email? If you can see a HEX 12 pattern cut into the inside axle along with a little hole on the side, then it's the hub type that's correct (CL-148S) but if it looks like the one in this video at 6:45 timecode, then it's the stupid cheap hub from the Vado SL which you might've gotten because Specialized ran out of the "better one". In any case, if you can take off the drive side end cap (the one where the cassette is) - then you have this hub (the wrong one). But also, sometimes the o-ring is very seized on there if it wasn't lubed properly and might be difficult to take off.. but if you wrapped some old inner tube around the end cap, and used pliers.. that's more than enough force to pull it off.
No, 2021 Levo Comp has a Shimano hub which is outright compatible with PLANET3. The kit for it on the webshop does not contain a replacement end cap since it's not necessary. It just comes with the hub parts and the sensor carrier (while the Creo SL one comes without the sensor carrier). It's all written down at test.planet3.bike/installation-instructions/
Hi Matt, it's a cassette tool and this particular one is by IceToolz and has the socket extension on the other side, while most others need to be grabbed by an open-ended wrench.
Because it just works so goddamn perfectly and the installation instructions are so awesome that there was never a need for it? :D Also, there's certain idiotic bike shop owners who hold it against their customers when they find out the bike has been "derestricted" and then they void their warranty.. food for thought.
Just as it would be with a car or anything else. If you're going to be using power over a certain speed where you previously would not have been - it will consume more power. Question is: would you avoid climbing hills because it uses power there? Of course not, same goes for speed - if you need it, if you want it - the battery range anexiety is the last thing on your mind. Good thing is that power requirement to go slightly faster on flat terrain is nothing compared to power requirement to haul yourself uphill :) Basically, don't worry about it. If you're going on a long ride with others - don't use Turbo mode, downtune your Trail and/or Eco and most of all - use common sense. :)
I have a question. I notice in your presentation of another Specialized Turbo you offered the option of 2 magnets to increase the recorded speed. Is this possible on the Creo and if so will it limited the max speed with assistance to 31 mph. This would not be a problem for me. Would there be any other issues
This is correct, and for each PLANET3 on the webshop there's an option for "Dual" planet configuration. In some cases, dual is mandatory and there's no single planet option (for Giant bikes, for example). The ratio is halved and the speed limit is 1,5x whatever the regional limit is (instead of ~3x). However, Creo being such a "fast" bike, usually going over 1,5x the speed limit doesn't really pose a problem and you are still what determines your speed at the end of the day, so if you don't want to go faster - use an easier mode of assistance or turn the bike off. That's why it ships is a single planet config by default, but there are users who order dual.
@@planet3bike thank you. The reason I ask is that I am a bit concerned that if my average speed is 15mph that is recorded as 5 on my app which I assume my Spez dealer will have access to, so I guess it follows that with 2 magnets my average speed would register at 7.5mph which even though still slow is more believable I have smaller wheel size dialled in which gave about 17 mph so with 2 magnets the bike would still receive assistance up to app 26mph which is still a whole lot better than 15.5/17.5 How much does an extra magnet cost? 🙏
@@mikesl1573 I understand, but they don't really check or care - even if they did, there are multiple plausible explanations for a lower average speed such as: you use the assistance to climb steep sections of road, then you turn the bike completely off once it levels off and especially when you're going downhill. You tow a mate, push your wife on her acoustic bike etc. It's never been even a consideration with any Specialized bike and/or shop in several thousand units. One time it was mentioned to a Giant customer but he was prepared with the "yeah, I turn it off going down". :) In any case, if you want a 1,5:1 ratio to be more at ease - it's perfectly OK. When you're at test.planet3.bike/shop/ just click Dual under configuration and it goes up 10 EUR (for the extra planet with magnet and two external position-checking magnets used to verify the correct 180° phase once you cover the device with the ring gear) and it'll be sent as dual.
@@planet3bike messaged on the website but no reply. I would like to derestrict a creo sl comp carbon 2022. Do you have a suitable product for that? The online ordering options only mentioned 2021 models.
The size of the magnet is largely dictated by the space constraints of the frame and the rest of the device. It simply can't be as thick as the original, and it doesn't have to be. It has to be just strong enough to reliably trigger the reed switch in the speed sensor. If the magnet is stronger, the wear is increased, the device more audible or potentially doesn't fit. :) It's all as it needs to be.
Unfortunately, yes. However, if one is using any other external device such as Garmin, there's an easy fix: in the device you just set the wheel circumference to 3,03x larger size and then everything reads accurately using the wheel speed sensor. Strava can obviously also use GPS and not the wheel speed sensor, for a bike like Creo which isn't a mountain bike and doesn't really experience wheel lockups, GPS might be a good option.
Amazing video again, one huge remark is that I think one sheet of toilet paper was enough, think about our environment please. > 12:10 is very important
Mike Supholla: Toilet paper is made from farmed trees that are in a reproduceable quantity that matches its use so that, therefore, it is a sustainable product. Toilet paper, when disposed of, typically degenerates (atomizes) within 2-4 weeks, returning its mostly organic structure back into the environment. I think, if you're concerned about best environmental practices, you may be better off choosing targets that have a significant deleterious impact.
You are in the wrong business my friend, you should make more instructional videos. Love your humour. Edit: Have ridden about 2000km since fitting Planet3 and it makes the bike soooo much better. No more riding along at 27.5km/hr with the motor constantly clicking in and out. I have also fitted the remote buttons to make changing assistance level fast and easy. This is truly the way it was meant to be.
Hi Greg, well.. your wish may come true after all! Since I'm slowly going out of business due to my lack of marketing abilities (read: I feel like a sleazy scumbag if I try to push shit on people via social media), I might decide to become an absolute UA-cam sensation one of these days. Then I can make fun of e-bike influencers who say a lot without saying anything and repeat word-for-word marketing pamphlets given to them by the manufacturers, while at the same time I take an absolute shit on the industry which should be regulated. :>
I ordered this item last Wednesday and it arrived 2 days later. Very easy to install and works very well. I did read some comments that it reduces battery life but this is mainly only true if one is tempted to ride above ones normal assistance level and of course if you ride over the nominal 15.5 with the new assistance. To help offset this I have now fitted a new Specialized accessory which gives thumb buttons to control assistance levels on the handle bars so they now work in a sequential manner; 3,2,1 on the left and 1,2,3 on the right, as opposed to the previous 1,2,3,1,2,3. The reason why this helps battery life, is is now much easier to drop an assistance level if you do not need it
So far this is a great product from a reliable provider. The only slight negative is the price is very high for the actual parts, but I suppose initiative and ingenuity has a price
Seems like a bargain given the cost to possibly manufacture this stuff in low volumes plus the engineering associated w it. It's also nice to know I'm not supporting Chinese slave labor.
Haha that was a well done video… informative and with my kind of humour!
That was very interesting, thank you 🤜🏼⚡️🚴🏻♂️
Great product and great service!
Haha! Duude I love you already! Order inbound!
Hey!
Thanks for amazing videos, both funny and informative.
I have a question though - if I understand this correctly your displayed speed limit will show 3,03 times lower of a speed than it actually is, correct?
Corrrect!
will this work on a Vado 4.0? i have an onyx racing hub in the rear. so this is using a planetary gear reduction set to change the tone ring hz so the bike things its going slower than it is? this will change the spedo read out as well?
How do I order this device? What exactly does it do? Will the 28 mph be extended? How fast will the assist go? Thanks
Love the way you bully people to do it the right way 😂
I don't know what you're talking about.. I only deal in "kind and gentle requests" to do it the right way. :D
Love your way of making this video 😂👍
When this is installed does the App still works to program the different levels of power ?
And can you tell me where it ships from ? I’m located in the Netherlands and just want to know how long it takes to reach me.
Thanks.
Hi Richard. Yes, you can use all aspects of Mission Control to tune the bike. It's only the ride recording that you should maybe skip. Since the motor will register 3x lower values of speed and distance, at some point Specialized might start comparing GPS data they use to draw the ride map with speed sensor data and use that against users. For now they don't. But you can use Strava or a Garmin or whatever else. As far as shipping goes, it's DHL Express and it should be with you next day. Ships out from Bosnia, company is IOSS registered and EU VAT is all taken care of. You order via the webshop, it'll ship Monday and Tuesday it's in your hands. That's the M.O. 99% of the time. Sometimes DHL sends it to Turkey or some shit and then I have to yell at them. Rarely happens, but still. 😁
Hi, I have a Riece & Muller Superdelight with a Bosch Performance Line Speed Gen 4 motor, Roloff Speed hub and Gates Belt Drive. Do you have anything or know of anything that will derestrict the motor and not cause harm.
Hi, well I don't have it at the moment but will in about a month or so. In the meantime, if you're in a hurry I suggest looking into the dongle market for 4th Gen Bosch (PearTune MSO 3.0, VolSpeed, Speedbox etc).
Do they make these for a 2021 turbo levo hardtail?
They do.. :) Simply pick a Levo HT at test.planet3.bike/shop/ using the filters and just compare the rear hub with the photo of the DHT-148S in the product gallery. Should be 100% identical and all Levo HTs are the same from 2017 to 2021.
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I have creo comp bike, so I have to replace the hub end cap but I can't pull it off to replace it with the other. I tried it with many tools but it stays on its place.. It's like the end cap is not a piece apart. Can this be true?
Hi Jurgen, can you send me an image taken through the end cap via email? If you can see a HEX 12 pattern cut into the inside axle along with a little hole on the side, then it's the hub type that's correct (CL-148S) but if it looks like the one in this video at 6:45 timecode, then it's the stupid cheap hub from the Vado SL which you might've gotten because Specialized ran out of the "better one". In any case, if you can take off the drive side end cap (the one where the cassette is) - then you have this hub (the wrong one). But also, sometimes the o-ring is very seized on there if it wasn't lubed properly and might be difficult to take off.. but if you wrapped some old inner tube around the end cap, and used pliers.. that's more than enough force to pull it off.
@@planet3bike After a bit of struggling I finally managed to get the hub off. Thanks for the answer!
Hi I’ve got the comp 2021 model levo do I need the bevel edge end cap sending out to make this fit
No, 2021 Levo Comp has a Shimano hub which is outright compatible with PLANET3. The kit for it on the webshop does not contain a replacement end cap since it's not necessary. It just comes with the hub parts and the sensor carrier (while the Creo SL one comes without the sensor carrier). It's all written down at test.planet3.bike/installation-instructions/
Having trouble finding the socket tool to remove the magnet, is there a name for it and can it be bought easily? Have a 2021 Levo comp.
Hi Matt, it's a cassette tool and this particular one is by IceToolz and has the socket extension on the other side, while most others need to be grabbed by an open-ended wrench.
Me too!
Why aren't there any videos of people reviewing and testing this product on UA-cam
Because it just works so goddamn perfectly and the installation instructions are so awesome that there was never a need for it? :D Also, there's certain idiotic bike shop owners who hold it against their customers when they find out the bike has been "derestricted" and then they void their warranty.. food for thought.
Fantastic 👍
How is the battery consumption compare to stock?
Just as it would be with a car or anything else. If you're going to be using power over a certain speed where you previously would not have been - it will consume more power. Question is: would you avoid climbing hills because it uses power there? Of course not, same goes for speed - if you need it, if you want it - the battery range anexiety is the last thing on your mind. Good thing is that power requirement to go slightly faster on flat terrain is nothing compared to power requirement to haul yourself uphill :) Basically, don't worry about it. If you're going on a long ride with others - don't use Turbo mode, downtune your Trail and/or Eco and most of all - use common sense. :)
I have a question. I notice in your presentation of another Specialized Turbo you offered the option of 2 magnets to increase the recorded speed. Is this possible on the Creo and if so will it limited the max speed with assistance to 31 mph. This would not be a problem for me. Would there be any other issues
This is correct, and for each PLANET3 on the webshop there's an option for "Dual" planet configuration. In some cases, dual is mandatory and there's no single planet option (for Giant bikes, for example). The ratio is halved and the speed limit is 1,5x whatever the regional limit is (instead of ~3x). However, Creo being such a "fast" bike, usually going over 1,5x the speed limit doesn't really pose a problem and you are still what determines your speed at the end of the day, so if you don't want to go faster - use an easier mode of assistance or turn the bike off. That's why it ships is a single planet config by default, but there are users who order dual.
@@planet3bike thank you. The reason I ask is that I am a bit concerned that if my average speed is 15mph that is recorded as 5 on my app which I assume my Spez dealer will have access to, so I guess it follows that with 2 magnets my average speed would register at 7.5mph which even though still slow is more believable
I have smaller wheel size dialled in which gave about 17 mph so with 2 magnets the bike would still receive assistance up to app 26mph which is still a whole lot better than 15.5/17.5
How much does an extra magnet cost? 🙏
@@mikesl1573 I understand, but they don't really check or care - even if they did, there are multiple plausible explanations for a lower average speed such as: you use the assistance to climb steep sections of road, then you turn the bike completely off once it levels off and especially when you're going downhill. You tow a mate, push your wife on her acoustic bike etc. It's never been even a consideration with any Specialized bike and/or shop in several thousand units. One time it was mentioned to a Giant customer but he was prepared with the "yeah, I turn it off going down". :) In any case, if you want a 1,5:1 ratio to be more at ease - it's perfectly OK. When you're at test.planet3.bike/shop/ just click Dual under configuration and it goes up 10 EUR (for the extra planet with magnet and two external position-checking magnets used to verify the correct 180° phase once you cover the device with the ring gear) and it'll be sent as dual.
@@planet3bike Thank you for your prompt response. I will stick with the single 🧲 Your kit makes a great bike: Perfect
Hi do these Cause any drag when your battery is dead ?
Nope.. well, YES. But in reality, no.. the planet that goes around weighs literally a gram and it rotates freely. :)
Funniest instructional video ever. Hope you are still in business so I can order one of these.
Unfortunately, I am still grinding away.. :(
@@planet3bike messaged on the website but no reply. I would like to derestrict a creo sl comp carbon 2022. Do you have a suitable product for that? The online ordering options only mentioned 2021 models.
You are a funny fucker. I love this.
😁
I take a fucking rubber mallet bit made me laugh my dick off 😂
What about 2022 Vado 3.0
I'd really need to see the rear end layout of the braking side in order to be able to tell you more..
Love This! just put an email out to you and please, please take my Money! need this, badly for my Levo SL!
mi bici es una turbo creo sl evo ... con solo un iman
😂❤❤❤
Your love means nothing, we want money! 🤑
Why don’t you use a stronger magnet
The size of the magnet is largely dictated by the space constraints of the frame and the rest of the device. It simply can't be as thick as the original, and it doesn't have to be. It has to be just strong enough to reliably trigger the reed switch in the speed sensor. If the magnet is stronger, the wear is increased, the device more audible or potentially doesn't fit. :) It's all as it needs to be.
I like people who reply to my questions. I think I will buy your unit and keep it on my spare wheel
@@mikesl1573 I like people who give me their hard earned money! :>
only downside is missreads to Mission Control and hence STRAVA
Unfortunately, yes. However, if one is using any other external device such as Garmin, there's an easy fix: in the device you just set the wheel circumference to 3,03x larger size and then everything reads accurately using the wheel speed sensor. Strava can obviously also use GPS and not the wheel speed sensor, for a bike like Creo which isn't a mountain bike and doesn't really experience wheel lockups, GPS might be a good option.
Amazing video again, one huge remark is that I think one sheet of toilet paper was enough, think about our environment please.
> 12:10 is very important
🤣
Mike Supholla: Toilet paper is made from farmed trees that are in a reproduceable quantity that matches its use so that, therefore, it is a sustainable product. Toilet paper, when disposed of, typically degenerates (atomizes) within 2-4 weeks, returning its mostly organic structure back into the environment. I think, if you're concerned about best environmental practices, you may be better off choosing targets that have a significant deleterious impact.
@@lazurm Thanks, after 2 months I can finally let go of this and continue with my life, thanks I love you
@@Aquariumike :D
Jokes video 🤣 didn’t see that coming 💦
yo lo monte y va de miedo ...
I wish you made a PLANET3 that works on a Bosch Gen 4 motor.
Soon, Ron.. soon. :)
Too much marketing😱👎