Seth Rollins on the Meltzer Match Rating

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  • Опубліковано 17 лип 2023

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  • @mikkyrevelljr7289
    @mikkyrevelljr7289 11 місяців тому +243

    It's so cool that Seth watches Chris van vliets show... Chris just called out Dave meltzer on his show for Kurt angles lack of 5 star matches

    • @thehorrorhound6575
      @thehorrorhound6575 11 місяців тому +10

      Because it’s true. I’ve been saying it for the past two years (when what culture pointed it out as a “see how great omega is”) it’s all bs. Kurt is one of the greatest to ever step in the ring, and in my honest opinion he is the greatest period. And he has no 5 star matches. While Kurt was in TNA cutting some of the best promos and wrestling some of the best matches this business ever saw Kenny is in Japan getting 6 and 7 star matches and Kenny has not and never will be as good as prime Kurt but Kurt never even got a 5? And I’ve heard people try to defend this saying “the crowds in Japan are just bigger and better 🤓” the crowds are bigger than mania when he faced Shawn Michaels at 21? The crowds were bigger than when he faced Eddie Guerrero at mania 20 for the wwe title? The crowds were better than lockdown in a lethal lockdown cage match against Nigel mcguiness? If he doesn’t have a 5 star against Eddie, Shawn, mysterio, triple h, aj styles, Christian, Samoa joe, sting, Nigel mcguiness it’s all bs.

    • @Kratosx23
      @Kratosx23 6 місяців тому +11

      You don't have to watch Chris to know that Kurt Angle has no 5 star match according to the dynamic dude Dave Meltzer. It's a well known piece of trivia.

    • @Daniel-ml6tl
      @Daniel-ml6tl 22 дні тому +1

      @@thehorrorhound6575 ohh it's true it's damn true!

  • @abhishekpathak2751
    @abhishekpathak2751 3 місяці тому +62

    So agree with you Seth. Kurt definitely had 5 star matches

    • @jaylanphillips7045
      @jaylanphillips7045 Місяць тому

      Him vs Shawn at wrestlemania. Kurt vs stone cold. A few of his lesnar matches

    • @deontebelladonna6486
      @deontebelladonna6486 28 днів тому +3

      ​@@jaylanphillips7045And His Amazing Trilogy of fantastic matches with Chris Benoit from WrestleMania 17 to Royal Rumble 2003

    • @dylonmullins
      @dylonmullins 12 днів тому +1

      Undertaker at No Way Out.

    • @deontebelladonna6486
      @deontebelladonna6486 12 днів тому

      @@dylonmullins That Match is so Underrated

  • @yazamuto
    @yazamuto 6 місяців тому +58

    Thank you, Seth. Thank you.

  • @thehorrorhound6575
    @thehorrorhound6575 11 місяців тому +74

    Kurt is one of the greatest to ever step in the ring, and in my honest opinion he is the greatest period. And he has no 5 star matches. While Kurt was in TNA cutting some of the best promos and wrestling some of the best matches this business ever saw Kenny is in Japan getting 6 and 7 star matches and Kenny has not and never will be as good as prime Kurt but Kurt never even got a 5? And I’ve heard people try to defend this saying “the crowds in Japan are just bigger and better 🤓” the crowds are bigger than mania when he faced Shawn Michaels at 21? The crowds were better than when he faced Eddie Guerrero at mania 20 for the wwe title? The crowds were bigger than lockdown in a lethal lockdown cage match against Nigel mcguiness? If he doesn’t have a 5 star against Eddie, Shawn, mysterio, triple h, aj styles, Christian, Samoa joe, sting, Nigel mcguiness it’s all bs.

    • @bre4kd0wn1
      @bre4kd0wn1 11 місяців тому +7

      To make it even worse, not a single one of Kurt Angle's matches in Japan received a 5 Star Rating by Meltzer. Not Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar, not Kurt Angle vs Yuji Nagata, not even Kurt Angle vs Hiroshi Tanahashi.

    • @thehorrorhound6575
      @thehorrorhound6575 11 місяців тому

      @@bre4kd0wn1 yep he was IWGP world heavyweight champion at the exact same time he was TNA world champion again just furthering my point he’s the best of all time because he was holding both world titles of the 2nd and 3rd biggest wrestling promotions on the planet at the time. And like you said Dave again didn’t rate any of those matches 5 stars. Why? Because he hated TNA. He always hated TNA. He was one of the people who kept trying to convince people TNA was shit and not worth watching and made a bunch of UA-camrs like what culture and wrestle talk parrot that same trash because well it’s Dave and he’s daddy and knows best.
      But Dave excuses AEW for making not just the same mistakes TNA made, but even bigger ones, everyone’s always saying “oh AEW is a young company it’s only been on tv for 3 or 4 years. Cut them some slack.” Bruh TNA was only on tv 3-4 years from 05-09 and people weren’t cutting them slack at all. 2009 is the year hogan and Eric Bischoff joined and fans started tuning out. A young company is not a good excuse for one company and not the other.

    • @marathiboi96
      @marathiboi96 6 місяців тому +1

      kurt vs benoit never got five stars and that's one of the greatest matches out there

    • @semyaza555
      @semyaza555 3 місяці тому

      @@bre4kd0wn1That’s legitimately insane.

    • @kelvinberriankb
      @kelvinberriankb 2 місяці тому

      Shawn Michaels and Rey Mysterio got 5 ⭐ matches.
      Also I believe Samoa Joe and AJ Styles had a 5 ⭐ match in a triple threat match with Christopher Daniels in TNA

  • @LeemWills
    @LeemWills 11 місяців тому +31

    I agree with Seth

  • @johnselwitz5362
    @johnselwitz5362 5 місяців тому +15

    Kurt Angle has zero five star matches but Lars Sullivan and Killian Dain both have one to their name. Something’s not right with that statement.

  • @Tom85AVFC
    @Tom85AVFC 10 місяців тому +24

    Jim Cornette invented the star rating system.

    • @mattbeckley9483
      @mattbeckley9483 8 місяців тому +20

      As a rib

    • @Tom85AVFC
      @Tom85AVFC 8 місяців тому +23

      @@mattbeckley9483 exactly. Which shows how utterly ridiculous it is.

    • @sparkywilson1405
      @sparkywilson1405 Місяць тому

      The star rating system has historically been in use since the mid-1800s, for all kinds of things, so the point is a bit moot

  • @andilea-mab4199
    @andilea-mab4199 8 місяців тому +10

    Kurt Angle 5 star matches
    Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit Royal Rumble
    Kurt Angle vs HBK Wrestlemania 21
    Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar Ironman match Smackdown 2003

    • @jacobevingham8495
      @jacobevingham8495 8 місяців тому +3

      Kurt Angle vs Undertaker No Way Out 2006

    • @saljewsteinbergowitz
      @saljewsteinbergowitz 5 місяців тому +2

      you're forgetting to mention kurt vs shane street fight kor, which was the best wrestling match I've ever seen by far. Nothing comes close

  • @lastson37
    @lastson37 Місяць тому +3

    Meltzer lost all credibility when he broke the 5 star cap.

  • @howardcraigiv518
    @howardcraigiv518 11 місяців тому +20

    I agree Meltzer and those ratting’s are so annoying. What is even a bigger crock is that He aint NEVER stepped in a Squared Circle but hands out ratings out of 5 stars and he has been doing so for many many years. What is hilarious is it’s all just his opinion, there is no certain criteria to a 5 star match. it is just how Meltzer feels the match went 🤷🏼‍♂️….
    He isnt even on WWE payroll but gives ratings as his job. I completely agree with Seth on This One. He may be a Historian of Pro Wrestling but he definitely is NO Expert in Rating Wrestling Matches let alone rating anything.
    “ in the Grand Scheme of things, it really means Nothing “ …. Seth could not of said it any better

    • @thehorrorhound6575
      @thehorrorhound6575 11 місяців тому +1

      While Kurt was in TNA cutting some of the best promos and wrestling some of the best matches this business ever saw Kenny is in Japan getting 6 and 7 star matches and Kenny has not and never will be as good as prime Kurt but Kurt never even got a 5? And I’ve heard people try to defend this saying “the crowds in Japan are just bigger and better 🤓” the crowds are bigger than mania when he faced Shawn Michaels at 21? The crowds were bigger than when he faced Eddie Guerrero at mania 20 for the wwe title? The crowds were better than lockdown in a lethal lockdown cage match against Nigel mcguiness? If he doesn’t have a 5 star against Eddie, Shawn, mysterio, triple h, aj styles, Christian, Samoa joe, sting, Nigel mcguiness it’s all bs.

    • @Highspirekid13
      @Highspirekid13 10 місяців тому

      @@thehorrorhound6575you sound so butt hurt lmfao it’s crazy that you say that but all wrestlers old and new have agreed Kenny’s matches in Japan are some of the best. You really gotta stop this dickriding y’all do and actually do some research. Literally everyone praises Kenny’s matches in NJPW.

    • @johnselwitz5362
      @johnselwitz5362 9 місяців тому +1

      Great point, and you mentioning that Meltzer has never stepped foot in a ring before reminds me of what Al Snow said about Dave one time. To paraphrase, Al said “Dave is one of the greatest workers of all time, he’s garnered a six figure income off of wrestling for two or three decades but has never had a single match”. Also, wrestling is very subjective. The things I like, you may not care for and vice versa. Which is perfectly fine. Meltzer has given 5 star ratings to a few matches that I, quite frankly, thought were boring (won’t say which ones, don’t want to start a debate) but one of my favorite matches ever (WCW vs. nWo War Games 1996) is a match that I believe Dave rated 1.5 stars, which in his opinion is below average.

    • @johnselwitz5362
      @johnselwitz5362 9 місяців тому +4

      @@thehorrorhound6575Absolutely. In my opinion, Angle’s match with Shane McMahon at KOTR 2001 should have gotten 5 stars. Yes, the glass spot was absolutely brutal. But that was Kurt’s third match of the night, and it was with Shane McMahon, which no offense to Shane, but he’s not exactly HBK or Eddie Guerrero in terms of in ring ability. Yet they went 26 minutes and it was brilliant all the way through. I guess since the match didn’t take place in Japan that hurt the star ratings a bit 🙄

    • @thehorrorhound6575
      @thehorrorhound6575 9 місяців тому

      @@johnselwitz5362 meltzer is very biased. He never liked TNA because he felt TNA disrespected his favorite Japanese guys. So he spent years trying to convince the wrestling world that TNA didn’t deserve to be the number 2 in the wrestling world. When Chris van vilet pointed at that none of Kurt’s TNA matches were 5 and he thought they were and mentioned joe, styles, sting, Christian, meltzer said none of those matches were 5 star worthy, that 5 star is “ELITE elite” and we all know what that means: “5 star is for my friends” but I think one match that deserved a 5 was Kurt angle vs Samoa Joe in six sides of steel in 2008 at lethal lockdown. Bryan Zane reviewed that ppv at one point and he pointed out that the match had such psychology and intensity that he didn’t even realize till the end that they barely used the cage as a weapon, the match didn’t need it to add any intensity to it.
      ua-cam.com/video/JK-e1GYgeWs/v-deo.htmlsi=jFNvU0M3Jn1kFLwF

  • @nineteeneightynine432
    @nineteeneightynine432 Місяць тому +2

    Its basically one mans personal rating system of what he likes. Its not a universal rating system. He obviously has a hard on for indy and Japanese wrestling most of us dont get it so thats why his ratings are so stupid.

  • @nikobellic8627
    @nikobellic8627 9 днів тому

    I heard meltzer and Tony Kahn got caught watching forbidden door repeat in a motel . Guess who wore the wig.......

  • @ericolvera7435
    @ericolvera7435 17 днів тому +1

    Kurt angle is a 5 star wrestler

  • @KinnereyB
    @KinnereyB Місяць тому

    The Rock, Edge, HHH, Mick Foley (all 3 characters), Mr. Perfect, Randy Savage (not even the classic vs Steamboat), Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Finn Balor, and Kevin Owens are just a few names that all have ZERO five star matches…yet Reigns and Lesnar have each won Meltzer’s wrestler of the year (Brock twice and Reigns once, getting 2nd the year after). Steve Austin has ONE, but he won Meltzer’s wrestler of the year 3 out of 4 years consecutively (and would have been 4 consecutive years had he not gotten injured). Shawn Michaels has ONE, but won Meltzer’s match of the year a record ELEVEN times! If that isn’t proof enough that the star ratings are bull 💩, this next point is the kicker. As a company (Raw, Smackdown, NXT, and all the PPV’s), WWE has exactly HALF the 5 star (plus) matches that Will Ospreay has by himself. Yes. A man who’s been alive 9 less years than WWE has been around as a national and worldwide company has exactly double the 5 star matches that WWE has. That’s how 💩 the star rating system is. Western audiences only knew the names Okada, Ospreay, and Omega bc they all have more 5 ⭐️ matches than WWE has total! And AEW (which has been around 5 years) has 11 more 5 ⭐️ (and plus) matches than WWE has - a company that’s been around for 40 years as the company we know. Unreal 😂 You’re welcome for not having to look this shit up yourself (to whoever’s reading this)

  • @wajihashfaq7414
    @wajihashfaq7414 Місяць тому +2

    Hhh vs undertaker should have got 6 star if omega can get 6

    • @azumarill964
      @azumarill964 Місяць тому

      YES

    • @dragula131
      @dragula131 Місяць тому

      Which match? And if taker and HHH get 6 then take n Shawn need 7 or 8

  • @Daniel-ml6tl
    @Daniel-ml6tl 22 дні тому

    Kurt angle in reality could beat anyone in that ring with his mat skills the proof is around his neck and he's funny and entertaining and to say he's never had a 5 star match is bs he's had several i remember watching royal rumble against Benoit and being young and drawn more to characters watching that match in amazement it stood out

  • @blizzavelli
    @blizzavelli 8 місяців тому +3

    well in all honesty, its his opinion and if it were anyone else, almost every match would be considered 5 star. the man makes a living off of it, he doesn’t scrutinize careers like the people that wrestlers have worked for. if u dont care for the opinion, dont pay attention to it. Dave Adds More To The Industry More Than He Takes Away From It.

    • @suji911
      @suji911 8 місяців тому +4

      Like Seth said he's only good as a historian not a match rater

    • @blizzavelli
      @blizzavelli 8 місяців тому +1

      @@suji911 exactly, so why do people take his match ratings to heart?😂😂

    • @suji911
      @suji911 8 місяців тому +4

      @@blizzavelli Most likely because he isn't giving matches they like 5 stars which i could understand to some degree.

    • @blizzavelli
      @blizzavelli 8 місяців тому +1

      @@suji911 i do disagree on some ratings but u cant trash the guy when he knows way more about wrestling than any connoisseur there is😂

    • @KingG3244
      @KingG3244 8 місяців тому

      Fuck his shitty ass opinion. Dude praises work rate and Indy talent and thinks wrestlers like Kenny omega are better than Kurt angle. You have a right to your opinion but that doesn’t mean you’re opinion should be taken seriously especially if you’ve never done the shit you’re making a living off of.

  • @DrWei1111
    @DrWei1111 10 місяців тому +7

    THANK YOU SETH, finally someone's said it 💯🙌🏾

  • @JordanJam
    @JordanJam 11 місяців тому +6

    The stars never meant shit back in the day

  • @rahul619show
    @rahul619show 2 місяці тому

    Kurt vs brock
    Kurt vs shawn

  • @johnsw224
    @johnsw224 2 місяці тому

    I agree with the cartoon

  • @alexnewell9631
    @alexnewell9631 День тому

    I've always said dave is a hack. I'm glad people are finally starting to notice it. Seth is right, Dave is a good historian. But he's not a wrestler so to judge matches and rate them is ridiculous

  • @cmderp
    @cmderp Місяць тому +1

    Meltzer fans: "Who cares about a guys opinion , it's just that an opinion! Don't understand why people make such a big deal about it . I disagree with some of his ratings but you can't argue with him cause he knows more than anyone else about wrestling. All hail Meltzer AAAAAHHHHHHHH !!!! "

  • @TheChamp33
    @TheChamp33 11 місяців тому +2

    The fact that Angle doesn’t have one says a lot about the ratings system and it’s definitely not good.

  • @nicktennant4301
    @nicktennant4301 2 місяці тому

    Who cares who rated what? It’s just an opinion. Do we get this triggered over Roger Ebert’s movie star ratings? I’ve never lost a wink of sleep in my life over why Ebert loved Scorsese films so much, so gave almost every one he saw the full four stars. Same way I’ve never been so bothered as to why Dave Meltzer much prefers Kenny Omega matches to Kurt Angle ones. Who cares?

    • @dragula131
      @dragula131 Місяць тому

      The difference between all that is, there's tons of different people reviewing moviesb with Star ratings. But for wrestling it's only dumb dumb Dave. And he isn't even the one who came up with the concept for rating matches

  • @AjayBhatti-td1wy
    @AjayBhatti-td1wy 3 місяці тому +1

    Dave’s five star ratings are rigged.

    • @Taurean_Black
      @Taurean_Black 2 місяці тому +1

      Of course they are he works for AEW why wouldn’t he rig it in their favor he buried himself when they asked him to explain the process behind the way it works and he contradicted himself at every turn

    • @eddiew2325
      @eddiew2325 2 місяці тому

      @@Taurean_Blackhehe Kurt angle sucks

    • @romanvillegas7280
      @romanvillegas7280 2 місяці тому

      Both Seth and Dave are so biased.

    • @NF12222
      @NF12222 2 місяці тому

      People get triggered by Dave's star ratings, but when I first got into wrestling it gave me a list of so many awesome matches to go watch.

  • @mattbeckley9483
    @mattbeckley9483 8 місяців тому +1

    I like Seth now don't say that marks name

  • @thegame213la
    @thegame213la 9 місяців тому

    Kurt vs brock 5star

  • @MangobingoTv
    @MangobingoTv 6 місяців тому

    Kurt do got a five Star match Kurt vs undertaker at no mercy was a five star ✨ match

  • @paulrodriguez2337
    @paulrodriguez2337 2 місяці тому

    😂😂😂

  • @paulsane480
    @paulsane480 2 місяці тому

    Especially when this Dave guy has never run a wrestling business his opinion means no more than yours or mine

  • @NF12222
    @NF12222 2 місяці тому +1

    If Seth had like twenty 5 Star matches he'd never stop talking about it lol

    • @halcyoned
      @halcyoned 2 місяці тому +3

      You're one of the Melts.

    • @thecountofmontecristo5805
      @thecountofmontecristo5805 Місяць тому

      Osprey has almost has like 40 of them & even he called out Meltzer of Kurt Angle not having a 5 star match.

    • @Edward-rg1od
      @Edward-rg1od Місяць тому

      People get triggered by Dave Metlzer's ratings, but then I first.... witnessed your mom giving me head was the greatest moment of your life. 🔥

  • @jetjaguarlunaricefangs1218
    @jetjaguarlunaricefangs1218 7 місяців тому

    Good don't equal 5 Stars son

  • @LuckyDaVinci
    @LuckyDaVinci 6 місяців тому +1

    Dave is biased. Cant even believe what he says .

  • @pramit7745
    @pramit7745 10 місяців тому

    Dave who😂😂

  • @KingGeorgieIII
    @KingGeorgieIII 2 місяці тому +1

    Dave Meltzer knows absolutely jack shit nothing about judging a match so nobody has a 5 star match cuz his opinion is completely meaningless and useless

  • @seebee6804
    @seebee6804 11 місяців тому

    Meltzer is over

  • @quesodagod8840
    @quesodagod8840 11 місяців тому

    Just swing on the dude one hand has the camera other has the gun and not even the right way

  • @drevandamva
    @drevandamva 2 місяці тому

    Seth doesn’t have any matches worth watching over and over that don’t involve “the shield” because he has a shitty gimmick, and he rips off wrestlers that get critical acclaim, then pouts and complains when he doesn’t get the praise for copying them. You can tell it’s a big deal because he’s acting like Dave is lord Voldemort. Its not Dave’s fault. He’s been watching wrestling for years as his job, so his taste is more expansive than the average wwe fan, in which seth likes to gather and rally against Dave when he’s feeling down or something is getting a lot of hype. Like Will Osprey. I’m sure Seth can’t stand that guy because he’s better than him. And if it’s pointed out, they say only Dave likes him because japan lol

  • @claytonmills2358
    @claytonmills2358 10 місяців тому

    So,Seth do you,yourself think you have a 5 star match because I can tell you me,you dont

    • @KingG3244
      @KingG3244 8 місяців тому +5

      Who give af about match ratings that’s not what wwe is about

    • @ITSHIM1294
      @ITSHIM1294 4 місяці тому +5

      He has tons of those 😂

    • @sergiobomr216
      @sergiobomr216 3 місяці тому

      What will he ever do without the approval of a bunch of IWC pimple faced geeks and meltzer 😂😂 Seth won’t ever get over