Unbelievable how easy it was to fix classic ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AGP graphics card
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- My first retro repair of classic AGP ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB.
How in the world games ran with 128mb of RAM, i dont know.
Tried to run DOOM and farcry, works like a charm.
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"How in the world games ran with 128mb of RAM, i dont know."
Twenty-five years ago, I bought a pair of brand-new 3dfx VooDoo2 PCI video cards, which I ran in SLI. At the time, this $600 combination was pretty much the state of the art. It was fast, fast, FAST! Total ram between the two cards? 24MB. Almost nothing else available at the time could touch those two bad boys. Oh, and you had to have a third video card for 2D applications like the Windows desktop, because these cards did not do 2D at all. You connected your 2D video card to the first VooDoo2 with a passthrough cable, then connected the first VooDoo2 to the second in the same way, and then your monitor connected to the final VGA connector on the second VooDoo2 card. Finally, you had an SLI connector that went between the two cards. And of course, you have to make sure you had a big enough power supply, as each of these cards could draw a staggering 15 watts.
I had to put my power supply in single rail mode because my 300 watt 7900 XT kept tripping OCP in multi rail mode lol
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional Yeah, GPUs over 250W TDP(225-250W total power consumption) shouldn't exist. It was an engineering standard for over a decade for a good reason. AMD and Nvidia went berserk in the last couple of generations.
@@badass6300had 2 radeon 290x in x fire that pulled 11-1200w from wall with oc. Compared to the 780 ti they stil had some 100w lower consumption
@@agurk03 The 780Ti consumed more power than the R9 290x?
Resurrecting an old Radeon 9800 Pro? Nicely done! I have 2 of these, one 9800 XT, and a few X800 cards (2 AGP and 2 PCIe). These were some of the fastest GPUs that Windows 98 supported. Great for retro gaming!
X800 pro vivo unlocked to XT baby
I wonder what’s gonna happen in a few years when AMD finishes the 8000 GPU lineup lol. 9800 XT 2
Certain 8000 and 9000 series ATI cards are also considered extremely desirable by the retro Macintosh scene, since they're the most powerful and featureful cards that will support OS 9, OS X and Morph OS all at the same time. People actually take the PC versions of these cards and flash them with the Mac BIOS.
You can flash 9800 pro to xt what what i did
Might by an old HP workstation to test mine, probably better than intergrated graphics right?
Nice to see these old gpus getting some love too. Good job!
yeah. Took me a while to get ready for it but thanks to one of the viewers who provided me with a complete setup and a bunch of AGP cards to play with, i got it started.
Hopefully it will attract some attention.
AGP 1.0 2.0 3.0 ran at 3.3v 1.5 and .8v. motherboards would support multiple standards in a universal socket by using the key to make the card only slide into a certain depth depending on the version. So the socket would have multiple rows of pins at different depths for each version. That's probably related to the issue he had with the one he was making.
@@Andrew-ky8oc8cq4n What do you mean by saying "certain depth"? You can't move cards back and forth or up and down. You either put a card into slot (depends of the key) or not.
Please do more retro agp repairs 🤩 I’m into these types of cards and never clicked a video from you so fast 😅
I played UT2004 happily for many years with an ATI 9800 Pro. Great card. It served me well and I fragged many in its honor.
Now we're talking! 🙂 Retro cards is where it's at! We want more of these 😀
I have three Hercules 3D Prophet Radeon 9800 PRO, and two of them are still sealed in their original box. 😁
One of the legends from ATI. I remember buying mine and skipping school to game and smoke weed with da boys.
Awesome to see some retro hardware repair! Brings me back to when I first started getting into PC gaming and building my own, so nostalgic. Thanks again for the great content!
About your riser. AGP was a couple of years back and some may not know, There were about 6 versions and a mix of two or three volt standards and although the different notches were supposed to help match standards some cards would not function even though the card fit due to voltage or signal voltage, mismatch.
Awesome to see this old GPU resurrected. Well Done, Sir!
Reminds me of my old x800 and their All in Wonder cards.... back when things were much much different for ATI/Radeon and Nvidia
I have an ATi All in Wonder 128 card that still works. Loved that card!
Leaked schematics to all Gigabyte cards of the era are easy to find, which is a good thing since they're very close to reference and cover both ATI and Nvidia. Just have to figure out the weird gigabyte model numbers, that's the hard part.
where would you find it ?
Model numbers: Google. Schematics: electrotanya and various iron curtain forums like vlab and remont-aud.
There won't be any board views and the part numbering on gigabyte cards is usually completely different, but if you have a picture to look at it helps because the placement is the same. So far I've been lucky but I've only had to do Nvidia.
I'd be curious about where to find these?
Wow this takes me back. These were high end cards at the time for under 400.
Man so cool that you trying to repair a retro card. Brought back so many memories for me. Big thumbs up!
Love seeing you repair older GPU's! I have a few retro systems now. One has a 9800 XT which was a slightly better binned 9800 Pro.
I had that exact card in the first PC I built. The cheap ass Molex connecter caught fire while I was gaming. I only realized it because I started smelling burnt plastic and saw smoke exiting the PC exhaust. It was still on and gaming the whole time. I replaced the connector on the card and kept using it. Ahh, how I don't miss the old janky-ass Molex connectors. That reminds me of my old A-bit fatality board that needs fixing. I still have the AMD CPU and Corsair RAM with activity LEDs and the front panel display that came with the board. I need to work on that.
I don't think the connector part that's on the GPU should be the cause of the problem, though that may be the part to take most of the damage. The cable side connector sometimes has its pins unhook and slide back out which is bad news indeed for current carrying capability. Bad quality metal surface alloy is another problem on low quality connectors of this type.
If the card has only linear regulators, as was usual in that era, it probably doesn't mind at all that some of the voltage got lost in transit.
@@SianaGearz LOL Yeah, it was the janky PSU I had. I'm pretty sure it was a pin on the PSU side. Although the connector on the GPU was damaged and fused to the PSU cable, the PSU side was the most crispy in the end. I just chopped off that connecter, and the GPU never showed any signs of being on fire, performance-wise.
A blast from the past. I wanted that card back in the day but spent my $ on other stuff. Love the look back...your skills are astounding!
Oh God, seeing that Molex makes me feel old!
love it - i have one with a tiny chip on the edge of the die but it still works fine - i think if you push the heatsink to much on one corner it can cause some damage - tough little beast - and they do suffer from knocked off components - but worth fixing
My first videocard was an expensive Hercules Radeon 9800 Pro with custom heatsink, purchased in 2003. I loved that card so much. I was playing Dungeon siege and it looked gorgeous.
I have a Gecube 9600XT AGP with artifacts, I think the RAM went bad, it's such a nice card that I actually thought about sending it to you but I imagined you wouldn't even want to think about repairing an old AGP card, really nice coincidence because it's almost the same model I have.
Nice video! I have a collection of AGP video cards and would like to see more videos of troubleshooting them.methodically like in this video.
I have a X850XT PE that i intended on using in a retro PC. I am kind of afraid of powering it up, but this video makes me a little more confident that the card could be saved if it breaks :)
A few things makes an immediate impression. Your voice is like Ben Mendelsohn's voice, wich is good. Second, when you're wondering, you sound like The Sorting Hat in Harry Potter, wich is also good. And finaly, every video, you make, have a very strong ASMR effect, wich is super awesome. For everything else, that you know and you can, you are God. Respect!
Finally you got your hands on an AGP card. Well done!
He's doing God's work, bringing the old school hardware back from the dead
I like fixing old crap like this. Just saved an old as hell Kicker portable ipod speaker with every damn power rail in it blown out it's ass. 5 different mosfets, a cap and a diode all fried, hahaha, fun repair.
What an awesome repair.
More videos like this! Nostalgie hits hard
Damn i was so confused when i suddenly saw one of your Videos in a TechLinked video, congratz though
Nice very nice, you could make a lot more videos of this kind 🥰
The 9800 pro was such a great card. Excellent performance for the money, I used it for a very long time.
The All in Wonder 9800 Pro was one of my favorite video cards over the years.
So Great!👍
That was the first graphics I ever bought for the first PC I ever built... Well technically second. I originally about an Nvidia 5200FX and immediately got rid of it within a week and bought the 9800Pro instead. Such a great card back in the day. There was a rumor there was a so-called "pencil mod" you could do on the board of that card to turn it from a 9800Pro to a 9800XT. But that was my first computer and couldn't afford to buy a new card if I screwed it up, so I never had the nerve to try it.
There's also a set of dip switches on that card (I think left of the cooler) that allows you to change the output format of the composite connection (middle round port connection on the backplate) between NTSC and PAL (was useful for me as I was moving from the states to the UK at the time). I don't have that card anymore, but I think I might still have the original cable accessories for it. I have no idea if I still have the original manual, but I doubt it.
I bought the Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb when it was first released and I was well happy!!!! That was until the released the 9800 XT and 7 or 8 months later if I remember right… gutted. The 9700 and 9800 Pro cards were amazing back then.
Oh, this brought back some memories.
I know where to send my retro cards now! My favorite retro card is definitely the 9800 unbelievable performance for a 128M card 256bit helps as well. Recommend a better cooler and the card will last a bit longer as the 9800 has no temp sensor oddly enough.
Whoa amazing 🙂
9800 was a beast for its time. I still have my first Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop /w an ATI 9000 /w 64MB of video ram - I remember John Carmack saying that laptop's video card was what he said Doom 3 could run well on (while it was still in development). It ran ok at launch, but not all that super great from what I remember. I eventually gave up and went GTX 1070 and dropped all AMD gfx cards since then.
Yay! Had one to in the good old days ... 2004 i think ... when Dungeon Siege II came out wich i played over a decade :-D
does cards are tanks, old ATI cards are really good.
Also I'm amaze you found a AGP board
I had one of these cards. From memory it was insanely expensive at the time and a special order.
LOL! 10/10 Sense of humour!
Love me the 9800 series. Mine lasted well past 2005
Retro repair! ❤🥰❤️
A 9800 pro!! One of the finest ATI products 😄
thanks
Nice!
I've been following your repairs recently and was curious if you were able/ interested in repairing retro gpus from the AGP era.
Might send mine in one day, when ever I have the funds and time too.
viewer sent me a bunch
Not sure where you got it but a lot of slot machines still use this card, mainly, the IGT AVP platform from the late 2000s/early 2010s. They eventually switched over to on board video because so many 9800s failed. The casino I work at as a slot tech had failures every day (we had 2200 machines total from various slot manufacturers, about 800 of which were the IGT AVP 2.0 machines). Our bench tech swapped out many fans and caps on the cards but eventually the casino ended up selling or destroying a majority of our IGT AVP machines lowering our dependence on 9800s (which were not available for sale into the mid 2010s). The casino still has a few (maybe 50 or so) with intermittent issues to this day. IGT still makes slot machines but I'm not aware of what video cards are in their current platform.
Neat!
The old girl hasn't kicked the bucket yet, thanks to you 😉
the 4-pin is called Molex and still beein used today, but less, the smaller on was typically used to floppy drives
Nice.
i remember this card, it was just as i was getting into pc building
I believe the second connector on the molex cable is for the good old floppy disc drive 😁
Back in the day i had this card under load at freezing temps with a peltier element that was watercooled. And yes, i overclocked it .
nice
Nice
nice video , do more videos about old cards hd 4000,5000,5000,6000,7000,R200,R300 , nvidia GTX200,400,500,600,700,900 , make it wonderful channel to watch you more,thank you
You can monitoring temp in hwmonitor or in aida 64, its show gpu temp.
Old gpu(hardware) is my favorite part of repairing, i have bunch of this retro gpu with issues and don't now how to fix them, any repairman in my region dont wont to try to fix this old stuff 😐
This is a pretty weird riser design since the key for voltage is the opposite way in the slot compared to the connector, I wonder if it has been mounted incorrectly. That said, the card is universal so it shouldn't be an issue.
However, it seems to me that the B side of the riser's connector is routed to the top of the connector, and that should match with the graphics card's component side (i.e. GPU side), so the card probably needs to be rotated 180°.
The manufacturer's website doesn't have a description for this exact model, but there are other riser models that may match this setup better.
I often wonder what to do with my old gpus. Somewhere in the attic I have a 5950 ultra, diamond stealth vlb, matrox mystique, riva tnt2, voodoo 5500, voodoo 2, ati rage and more
It was pretty common for people to use needle-nose pliers to remove push pins on these GPUs. Always made me wince.
I think I gave one of those away maybe even that exact one. I still have a 850XT I kept just to say I did. I got rid of all hardware that was pre ddr2 a year ago.
Thanks for the vid, I really enjoyed watching it. Good job getting a fix without boardview or schematics.
It still cracks me up that people don't understand the technology Gap between this card and it's successors.. it was a great card don't get me wrong, but despite the bundling with Half-Life 2.. it was not exactly 2004 capable, things moved so fast back then.. and the difference between top of the line 2003 at the 9800 pro, versus top of the line 2004 at the 6800 ultra, or even 6600 GT were like night and day.. that said, with the development shift to the new consoles away from the pc.. you can kind of sit on that 6800 for a while whereas that 9800 didn't really have a long run.
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I'm a little late on your videos due to workload in the last week. Great news. Now comes the question... can I send my ATI 9800Pro to you? I bought it factory sealed back in 2003, used for a couple of months and moved it to my kids PC (at that time). It was sitting in a retro pc until a couple of months ago, when I tried to power on and it won't show video. I removed the cooler and nothing more than that. No knocked components, no scratches. It looks like new. I'm keeping it hoping I will learn someday to check what's wrong, but I would rather send to you for repair (and peharps become a video also...). It's a great retro card and I don't want to throw away. Regards!
I remember I had the card with Serius SAM bundle... it was like ~550USD back then... with 256MB Vram
I got one of them…..working
Hi, any tips you have on fixing an unresponsive Radeon X800XL AGP card? These had a Rialto bridge chip which retrofitted the PCI-E native bus to AGP.
I still have to wonder if it is possible to alter a card by changing the memory chips out to improve their capabilities (Some cards had the spots but werent populated from what I recall)
4:44 thats me every time
I really miss those times when ATI could beat nVidia in their own game... Great resurrection!
I still have an old nvidia 9200 gt still works to this day.
I have an old BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC that worked when I pulled it out of the machine and doesn't work now. It was in an ABIT AN7 MB and it sticks on Code 26 with no video and computer won't start. I replaced it with a BFG 6200 OC and that works fine. I can't find any broken traces or missing capacitors, resistors or any damage at all. I'm wondering if you are interested in giving it a go?
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AGP my old friend...
wow...these cards back in the day were the cats own ass! always wanted one of these cards and pair it with an AMD X57 on an nforce 2 board + 2 gigs ram. the memories..................
awe..i still have gtx 750 ti..ti,maan..lool,and it works
Mine has a problem on pin B18, SB_STB. Any ideas? Looking for a board diagram for the 9800 Pro to see what all could be going on. Any help is appreciated. Diode mode, nothing. Ohming it out shows about 9 million ohms.
Oh, I had this card in my Athlon pc 20 years ago. Successor to my old Voodoo 3 2000 PCI and Pentium 233MMX. Fck I'm old. 😔.
Ah now here's a GPU I like, I feel my retro systems are lacking in the Graphics processing realm
I think that these videos are great to watch . But i have a card that i get artifacts when i install the drivers. Can you help me figure out whats wrong whit it(or help me fix it)(gtx 780ti)
It'd be cool if they started to make red pcbs again.
hah, this is cool
Riser socket on the wrong side of the pcb?
I remember when i sold this cards in my computer shop.........
Wasnt Doom 3 too much for the current cards back at launch?
A good UPS will keep your card last for a crazy long time!
I have a love-hate relationship with this series.
Love that it really forced things to progress dramatically in the name of performance.
Hate how unreliable the cooler design, and the drivers were. Literal years of misery wasted on this series specifically.
I had the IceQ version of the 9800 Pro. That helped a lot for me at the time
I remember seeing these on eBay in 2007-2008 for $15-$20. I even got a Mint NIB real never used voodoo 3 3000 ago in original box for $50…. I gave it away to some little kid in 2013 and regretted it cause I seen them selling for over $3k. Hahahahahahahaah
Yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't bother fixing it
Could you fix my EVGA 9600GT 1GB?
Would running something like HWMONITOR not work for temps of the GPU?
Don't know yet
I bought one of these just before Half Life 2 was released
the old cards have so many components on it, and the newer ones barely any
What good about Radeon cards like this you don’t need to actually install ATI drivers it should work out of the box.
dont know about that. i had to install drivers
Are you telling me that my boxes of old graphic cards now have some value? 😅