I Found MORE Rust On My Mercedes 300CE W124
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2022
- The BisMerc, my Mercedes W124 300CE has thrown up a fairly serious rust issue I was not aware of.. this forces me into more repair work and while there I also address the rust problem under the washer bottle..
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I know what you mean about trying to keep the noise down, especially when it’s a bank holiday, some people just want to relax in their garden, the last thing they want to hear is a grinder and hammer, what a nice chap you are 👍, well done with the repair’s and hope to see the Ferrari soon, until next time, Happy Easter Jack,👍👍.
Hi, I really like the current interior, the cloth is so period correct, reminds me of my childhood. My uncle had a 300te with the same colour.
Best wishes Richard.
Yeah, personally I prefer cloth seats, but that's just me.....
I agree, keep the current interior.
The same for me, these Mercedes cloth interior are pretty nice :)
That cloth interior is in lovely condition, Jack, and it really suits the car. I agree with the other comments - keep it!
Jack I’d keep the cloth interior bud, I like it but it’s obviously up to you buddy 👍
Don't wait on the ball joints. They are under tension, so when they go, the front end drops. Also, the upper spring mount bushings tend to come apart and then the shock goes through the hood, so make sure those are good. I'd go with Bilstein for the shocks and I found the "comfort" Bilstiens to be perfect for the 124, but I like a nicer ride. The spring pads are probably also toast. You can adjust the ride height, to some extent, by using different thicknesses of those. And yeah, those jack points...ugh...BTDT.
Great to see your work processes, different tools etc Jack. The Bismerc coming along nicely!
Keep Smiling!
Nice to see an update on the Bismark, hope you keep it and continue the journey.
W124 suspension. Bilstein dampers. OEM standard springs...if this model has a steering damper... change it as well.
Then do anti roll bar bushes and be amazed
And there are 2 types of bilsteins. There's a heavyduty set, which is a bit harder and sportier, and a softer one, which is closer to factory. The OEM ones (at least on the saloons) were Sachs dampers.
Agree, I had one of these, installed Bilstein and the ride was perfect... The one I had was a 1993 300D, I can honestly say that of all the other cars I have had since nothing comes close to the all round package these w124 gives in terms of ride quality and so called "experienced quality". I could dive that car for 12 hours and get out like it was 12 minutes, just such a pleasant car in every way.
You are a man with many skills,Jack.Well done.I would also go with OEM,Bilstein..
This era of Mercedes was great. Build quality was amazing. But the rust was W124 problem. For some reason R129 and W140 didn't have much rust issues... until the issues came back to the "rounded lamp era" 1998-2007. When W212 and W204 were introduced, all body rust issues were pretty much gone for good. 1998-2007 was the worst era for Mercedes-Benz without a doubt and W203 was sh*t. However W204 was very solid car. Someone suggested that it was the water-based paint which increased the problem.
I’ve replaced the dampers all round on my R129 and staying original is the best policy in my opinion. These cars aren’t that much fun when you throw them around so enjoy the comfort and serenity, save your skateboarding desires for your Lotus
Great welding work Jack 👍
Brilliant video 👍 brilliant welding
Thanks for the update Jack. IMO you should keep it. It's a lovely car and SO much better than when you found it.
Nice job. Excellent Chanel Jack.
I have a set of 30- 60mm Red Violet Vogtland Sport Springs that I got with my 300E 24 Valve Klassic. I think they are really good quality. 16" rims would look good on your Coupe. My windscreen washer bottle will not stop leaking around the pump motors. I have tried everything but they still leak. My 1992 Saab 900 Turbo Sedan has sudden onset, empathic leakage. I miss the wild, original paint job on your Merc, but it looks taut and tidy. Nice welding work on the jacking point Jack. Lovely weather there. Hope you are happy in your new home. It looks tranquil. I am still really enjoying your channel. THANK YOU for sharing your adventures. I hope you are enjoying the work as much as I do watching the videos. All the bets from Wellington, New Zealand.
Definately worth doing. Lovely song thrush singing in the background at the start!
I did wonder how you got on with the neighbours and noise, though we know you're a very considerate chap! Scott Chivers has the same issue doing his Ferraris. I always go with the "nothing before 10am" at a weekend and try not to do any banging on a Bank Holiday...I even worry about my pressure washer noise! 😃
Ha!! Yes, they are lovely people though.. very easy going so far!
Damn those pesky jacking points. A potential problem on all, but hidden beneath the Sacco panels cars on W201/C124/S124 and W124 - they can't be seen until much worse. I covered this in my W201 buying guide video (thankfully I got lucky). The first thing I did was clear all the drain holes, around the sunroof, near the scuttle / battery tray rodding them out with wire or brewer pipe. You can get repair sections but appreciate it's a job you didn't need... good luck with a fix Jack.
cheers Jack🚒👍👍
Lovely job 🚘🚙🚗👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great job with the welding. I'd recommend Tayna Batteries online, quick & normally best price I have found.
Thank you!
Nicely done,keep an eye out for more rust.I had a merc of that period and rust would magically appear on what seemed a weekly basis,I heard they used cheap steel from Russia and never galvanised it so as to save money,tight bxxxxx 😉
E280 Masterpiece...has raised ride height from new ...cruises over speed bumps n pot holes ..Bilsteins.
If the legendary Ian Dury viewed this upload..... He would've said "That's jubblified" - or similar 😁.
Glad to see you got it sorted out.
I've pretty much decided that you should keep the Bismerk; having pretty much sorted the issues.
There's nothing wrong with using an 'Executive Motor with a bit of grunt' as I owned a V6 Camry for almost eight years virtually zero problems........
You know what I now own and it needs "attention" to say the least!
😻 the content on this channel.
I used to fit the local parts stores suspension parts but the life span was so short I seemed to be constantly working on it. I eventually splashed out and bought some Heavy Duty Meyle parts. Best descision I ever made. I was so fed up with replacing drop links every few months. Definatly worth the extra money.
Nice job!
At least you considered your neighbours Jack, we had a neighbour smashing garden flags and throwing them into a skip on Good Friday. Love the Merc, I actually like the cloth seats already in the car, then again I'm in my 50's 😳.
Great video I enjoyed the content.
Beautiful blue color..
Great content as always. Perhaps not useful for this job but a great product you may wish to look at is Bilt Hamber hydrate 80.
I hope u keep this car mate when done it will look good mate love these cars mate hardwork pays off mate get the grey seats I hope you keep this
Hi Jack, like I said I did a lot of restoration on my 124 coupe and have provided it with bilstein’s don’t forget to change the springs as well!!😁😉happy to hand you ove r tje reference and prices
Thank you! I’ll see why I can find!
I wouldn't bother changing that interior, it looks retro and in keeping
Have a look and see if you can get Koni "special active" or "FSD" dampers. They are really really good especially where you want to retain a good ride quality. Digressive/platform type damping from the world of off-road etc.
Stock suspension is the best, Sachs/Boge. If you can afford them Bilstein struts are also a great option. I just changed the ball joint myself (pretty easy) on our W124.
Drill bit is called a step drill, I was looking at buying one but another tool I needed came up, never ending list lol
I have a whole fleet of rusty 124s and 202s and have tried everything over the years. I'm a decent mechanic but hate body work and have no skills. Epoxy/fiberglass seems to be the best option by far. I think i'll try improving my welding skills but to be fair, i still have a Renault in my yard that is a crumbling pile of rust. The only solid parts are the fiberglass floor pans and the surrounding metal. I've seen welds rusting from the inside out within a year. My daily driver 124 features fiberglass at the rear jacking points and where the grommets used to be inside a wheel arch. The trick is to have a clean metal surface, use at least two layers of fiberglass mat and epoxy, i grab this stuff at the local boat store. Greetings from France!
Good stuff.
Jack, welcome to the world of rusty W124 jacking points! I have to contend with 3 crusty ones on mine...
Ha!! Thankfully the others are ok!
hi jack, you have oem rubber pads that go under springs that are various thickness so you can drop your car slightly just by putting some thinner ones, they are differentiated with some straight notches on them (I,II or III) if i remember correctly
Tayna batteries is a good online battery retailer I've used recently, quick delivery, decent choice, fair prices (for what I was buying anyway!).
I’ll second that.
As far as the Bismirck's suspension, I'd check the spring rates of the springs that are on the car, and then take that information along with the car's weight to the shock/damper people. Ideally, you'd also have an idea what the weight is of the suspension pieces is at each corner. That is the information that the shock/damper people will need to make a recommendation since the shocks/damper have to match the suspension frequency. Alternatively, make sure that you have stock springs at each corner and than at least you can go with stock shocks/dampers. The final way to do it is to buy matched springs and shocks/dampers that others have already engineered.
koni has W124 Yellow Sports ajustables. I had them on my W124, I recommend them.
I would do the ball joint and put some fresh shocks. Bilstein b6 or similar. Don't mess too much with the suspension.
Known rust area on these and many Mercs with this style jacking point. I would have tried to get a cut from a scrap car and splice it in- doesn't have to be pretty as you don't see it. Failing that I have used several layers of tin foil to make a template (place it on a good section and rub so it takes the form) and then with the aid of a vice and appropriate diameter pipe , hammer, bending etc made a pretty good copy.
I am actually replacing the shocks on my S203 right now. I just waited for a good discount at a well known online car parts outlet from Germany and went with standard Sachs for a comfortable ride.
TASTY WORK THERE on that repair
H&R 40mm lowering kit! It cost me about £550 a couple of years ago. Still surprisingly comfortable but amazing handling and cool looks. Plus if you are doing that, you may as well replace all the rear suspension link arms, ARB bushes, track rod ends etc. Total maybe £750 in parts, 2 days labour (for a DIYer). MB won't sell a sportline kit for a non-sportline car, and even if they did it'd be expensive and possibly not as good (maybe slightly more comfortable though?)
This !!
Jeremy below has it spot on !!!!!
Dont change the interior!! Those cloth seats look great and probably not as common as the leather.
You can't go far wrong with the interior left as is but I was rather looking forward to seeing that leather interior. This has been a fairly charming car since the beginning of the project and the leather would put the 'resto-mod' charm factor over the top. It was, after all, your original concept... Just a thought.
Jacking points are the first place to check on a 124 - the state of those will reflect the rust on the car in general.
Hey Jack, watch out that that "Bismerc" doesn't become an "Abysmerc", it looks a bit like that "old rust bug" is getting into it.
I have no input on suspension but THANKS for keeping the W124 going. In my view this is the current star of the show for me. Ferrari is second. Looking forward to your interior and suspension updates.
Thanks Mike!! I think more to come!
I forgot Jack owned a Ferrari 😜😂
@@stewbaccaca It's also known as the workbench for the Lotus. 🤣
Surprised?
Those cars rust like crazy!!!!!
I kinda like the current interior, very period correct, but grey leather would look good as well. As far as suspension I'd go with bilstein's. That color turned out beautiful btw 👌
Thank you! Glad you like it.. most seem to. Even though it’s not MB original
@@Number27 are you sure? I've seen similar cloth interiors on other Benz's of the era.
Thanks Jack, hope you’re ok, looking a bit tired today? Stay safe matey 👍
I’m fine! Possibly was a bit tired!
Fun to watch your work skills evolve and improve. Keep work on Bismerc simple...this is your workhorse. Save your money and time for the Ferrari...or...another French car (Renault Turbo?)...or a Biturbo era Maserati...or a vintage Rally car...or...? Is the Lotus now complete?
Bilstein B4 will do the job very well
Best suspension on a 124 = stock!
I’d love to see you make it an e36 replica. Body kit, amg slab alloys, grey sports interior and maybe a 3.6 engine. I know the cost the cost. However there are on,y 8 e36i coupes in uk so a replica may be worth good money.
Great item....maybe you should consider a small industrial workshop ? Try asking Tim Burton if he could accommodate you 😄
Ha!!! What a pairing that would be! 😆
Oh no, 101, they all rot there, bet you wish you took those plastic skirts off before you painted it. Loving the content, keep it up
FYI re the springs. I have OEM Sportline springs, tried aftermarket set ups but they were all harsh. Did you also know there is a rubber cup on top of the spring that comes in four different sizes and alters the ride highly by about 15mm from a size 1 up to a size 4
I did know but good to be reminded, thanks Kevin!
Change the ball joints ASAP. You don't want to experience what happened to me some years ago on a highway. Terrifying when one snapped...
Sell it Jack, you saved it, move it along with someone with the time to love it full time.
Noooooooooooooooooooo! Keep repairing it so I get a steady feed of motivation for my own W124.
Jack needs one reliable daily driver, and I think the Merc is it.
Simba mattresses are going to have to start £££ sponsoring you.
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Leave it alone, drive it as is.....
Great work, might I ask what welder you're using ?
I think it’s a Clarke 180 or something like that … it’s not super cheap but not a really good one either
Grey leather interior would look good
that is an common isseu with every mercedes with have the sacco side skirts
I've just discovered similar problems on my E39. annoying.
Bilstein it's the best for the bismerch is also German and its a German car nice to zie the rust treated and the bismerch going to live al longer live I think keep the orginal interior is a old 80 90 car and the interior viewed his age beautiful and it is a perfect match met the outside ford color
Love the Merc and the channel but please tell me you are going to sort that orange peel paint.
I’m looking into it but not sure I want to spend two days sanding and polishing it!
OE suspension best bet.
I wish you were my neighbour. I have absolute awful neighbours and noise.
I found a spot with no rust on my W203 C Class once😄
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Was it the steering wheel ?!
@@malcolmhardwick4258 😄😄😄
@@malcolmhardwick4258 A tyre maybe?
About batteries, people are going to suggest high quality expensive brands but in my experience, they have no advantage over a cheap £50 eBay battery. They last just as long and work perfectly fine. No point wasting profit that will be donated to charity👍
Batteries are batteries at the end of the day.
Also funnily enough, my father has owned B5 Audi A4's/S4's and now an RS4. The expensive Bosch batteries lasted the same as the eBay ones and same for the other cars we've had. It's just about how you look after them that determines their life.
Defintely looking afte them is crucially important!
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Back in the day I bought an 11 year old E300 on an E plate 1987 (80,000 miles) After 4 years and 40,000 miles later, all 4 wings had rust bursting through the wheel arches. Maybe you got off lightly.
I knew someone who bought a new Vito van which was also bad for rust.
Do not know what it is with German cars , but you expect a premium expensive car to be not to suffer from rust issues .Appalling the German car factories must be ashamed , especially when they are supposed to have a good reputation .Other makes were bought down in the press years ago
This one did have rust on one arch too which I sorted…
It does make me laugh - Alfas of the 80's, the Alfasud in particular, would dissolve as you were driving them! You would expect the opposite from Mercedes.
@@LOTPOR0402 the days of the eternal and bulletproof German car are long gone. These days, they are just milking a reputation.
Can't you use a cut for the sill from further forward on another car.
The jacking point part is different so no.. but this will work for now.
what welding set up are you using? i am keen to give it a go at home.
I think it’s a Clark 180 MIG, I’m sure there’s better around now. It’s several years old
@@Number27 thanks Jack.....i am a total novice but we are looking to restore my nehphews e28 ( i sent him your previous vid) 👍
Cheapest place to get a battery for an Audi A4? Under the bonnet of the first Audi A4 you find parked in the road! 😆
Lovely cars, they rust like queens however..
A leather interior and wood trim would transform the overall quailty and look.
I disagree! For me changing the interior would be a complete waste of time and money.
Damm
Suspension get some Bilstein or Sachs from AutoDoc
I would have considered the hole under the washer bottle to be a natural drain......
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The most economical method is to do nothing. It won't be added value if you decide to sell. Do the ball joint and any other dodgy bushings instead.
Metal forming over wooden plug is the way to go here...
Well fiber glass cant rust any more !
Everyone knows that if the MOT tester can't see the rust then it isn't really there lol 😆
Lawn mower makes more noise.
"ribbed" "stiff" "good ride" , more like a carry-on film this episode, oo err missus...
dont forget the "12 inch" rule, [got me doing it now!], any repairs within 12 inches of a load-bearing structure must be fully seam-welded with original thickness metal, how far away from strut tower are you? as always, a good grinder + paint makes you the welder you aint... [my motto]
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Mr 27 where r u from
Italian born but lived in the Uk since I was 8!
First! ( there's a heck of an echo in here today! ) :-))
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Is there an echo on the video?
@@Number27 No. His comment did a UA-cam anomaly of repeating itself several times in the comment thread.
No echo on the video, I was just wondering where everyone else was today as I was all alone here! :-)
LEAVE THE CLOTH...LEAVE THE CLOTH...LEAVE THE CLOTH......
😆😆😆😆 sorry bud… leather is coming. Will you still speak to me?
@@Number27 BIG Mistake, but of course I will still talk to you, will you still listen 🤣🤣🤣
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So you get a car resprayed without checking if there is any major rust?.............. DOH
Sponsored by Simba, who's boxes are likely comfier than their utter shit mattresses, which feel nice at first the get shitter and shitter and shitter.
Its in the guest room… so won’t get used much!
More bodges for a future you tuber to uncover and fix properly.