AEMO’s Integrated System Plan doesn’t include ‘all the costs’

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  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому +4

    Congratulations Aidan in your new role at the Centre of Independent Studies.
    Have a look at the latest technology in battery recycling and PV panels recycling.
    Many people are worried about these.
    I have heard that not enough of these are available for recycling yet.
    I do like your work.

  • @JohnWilliams-iw6oq
    @JohnWilliams-iw6oq Рік тому +3

    As someone with a far greater mind than me once said, "If the government took over the Sahara Desert there would be a shortage of sand".
    As someone who lives on stand alone solar power I can promise the government there will never be enough batteries in Australia to give us the backup power we need.

  • @bushmagpie3312
    @bushmagpie3312 Рік тому +9

    They don’t include wind turbine blades replacement every 2 years?
    Every 10yrs you need replace the renewables and guess who’s paying?

    • @rattusfinkus
      @rattusfinkus Рік тому +2

      They do include those costs because the report used LCOEs

    • @bushmagpie3312
      @bushmagpie3312 Рік тому +1

      @@rattusfinkus recycling, the transport/shipping of blades across world, blades and disposal?
      Full cost not just the new parts?

    • @rattusfinkus
      @rattusfinkus Рік тому +1

      @@bushmagpie3312 LCOEs include all the costs. Have you ever seen coal or gas being recycled?

    • @bushmagpie3312
      @bushmagpie3312 Рік тому

      @@rattusfinkus yep trees do it the recycling, the very ones there removing and putting these wind gens for, the maintenance on the power station generator is all recycle metals, wind turbine blades arent recyclable materials and all round the world there left in fields next to wing turbine. See a documentaries about this.

    • @saltymonke3682
      @saltymonke3682 Місяць тому

      ​@@rattusfinkusLCOE doesn't include that, LFSCOE does

  • @williamchristenson5487
    @williamchristenson5487 Рік тому +2

    Winfram and solar are a eyesore

  • @KT-bb1tb
    @KT-bb1tb Рік тому +10

    Costs are Always an Afterthought With Labor, Look at the $450 Million Down the Drain on the Voice ?

    • @golfmike13
      @golfmike13 Рік тому +2

      That was an election promise. They won the election. So we had a referendum. Don't complain about democracy working as intended.

    • @birgittabirgersdatter8082
      @birgittabirgersdatter8082 Рік тому +4

      @@golfmike13well they could have kept a promise that would have actually benefitted *every* race of Australians and kept the $275 cheaper electricity promise, and that promise would not have wasted half a billion dollars! Democracy is not picking and choosing which promises to keep and which to break.

    • @WitchDoctor-m9s
      @WitchDoctor-m9s Рік тому +2

      @@birgittabirgersdatter8082
      Hear Hear. 👏

    • @tassied12
      @tassied12 Рік тому

      @@birgittabirgersdatter8082 The $275 promise was for 2025 and did not anticipate the outbreak of the Ukraine War and multiple breakdowns at coal plants. It was also without the knowledge of the AER raising their benchmark prices for 2022/23 because Minister Taylor blocked the release of that information before the election (should be released in May each year)
      As it stands, wholesale prices have now returned to 2021 levels, which will feed into retail prices by 2025.

    • @KT-bb1tb
      @KT-bb1tb Рік тому +4

      Albosleeze Had the Opportunity to Pull out of His Voice, but He Didn't, It was ONLY Taxpayers Money......As Usual with Labor !

  • @ernestb2970
    @ernestb2970 Рік тому +2

    This is clearly ideological and not based on normal cost benefit analysis that normally supports project sanctioning. When the government and institutions are more concerned with messaging and analysis that preferences investors rather than consumers, we are being misled and will foot the bill through higher electricity prices. Thanks Aiden for highlighting what's going on.

  • @robertirvine4780
    @robertirvine4780 Рік тому +1

    Electricity generation used to be a state responsibility and it is in a very poor state because the states sold the generation while promising that electricity prices will fall. After that electricity prices rose but the governments stated that the generators need to make a profit on their investment. NOW it is renewable energy BUT remember the generators must make a profit and this means a profit on purchase, operation, maintenance and replacement with the cycle repeating every 20 years or so. It is time to by a generator because the power prices are rising so fast it may soon be cheaper to use a diesel generator than to connect to the grid. As for the home batteries there is a current recall on home storage batteries because of a risk of fire! NICE PLAN BOWEN!!!!

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому +1

    Selfparking and selfplug-in will be the biggest feature. V2G and self top up from trickle AC when parked for upto 23hrs every day at times.
    Rapid DC charging on the main roads and at corner stores if needed.
    Most days the 'tank', battery, is full and ready for the long drive.

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому +1

    200,000 EVs in Australia and growing rapidly.

  • @christinebell37
    @christinebell37 Рік тому +3

    The CSIRO is nothing but independent nor scientifically reliable
    They gather the data analyse and make recommendations to support an outcome that their “paymasters” want from them

  • @WitchDoctor-m9s
    @WitchDoctor-m9s Рік тому +4

    Exactly what I've been saying. Ratfinkus and all the rest of the Know it alls.
    Your Responses were " it's all Costed by AEMO. " Ha Bull💩👈

    • @tassied12
      @tassied12 Рік тому +1

      It has been costed. All the information on transmission costs are included in AEMO's Transmission Expansion Options papers. They lay out the various transmission projects around the country with cost benefit analyses.
      Those options papers are not part of the ISP, but act as background information to it.

    • @polarbear7255
      @polarbear7255 Рік тому +1

      @@tassied12nonsense T12. We’ve been telling you and RF this for years: your arrogance and obstinate refusal of reality is catching up with you.
      Gencost is garbage: the LCOE that it’s based on are inaccurate and it should never be used to compare dispatchable baseload to intermittent variable energy.
      The games up T12. Your fantasy is falling apart and you still can’t accept the reality.
      Pathetic.
      Best go back to your big oil employers and request some more fake data to push the renewables agenda.

    • @WitchDoctor-m9s
      @WitchDoctor-m9s Рік тому +3

      @@tassied12
      Do you work for them ? You sure Push the Propaganda.

    • @polarbear7255
      @polarbear7255 Рік тому +2

      ⁠@@WitchDoctor-m9spretty sure he does. Just as bad as RattusFinkus. Same cut and paste inaccurate comments on nuclear and renewables. Proven false on many occasions. T12 has no credibility. Doesn’t respond to my questions about who employs him, but it is very likely a big oil company: nuclear ends reliance on fossil fuels. Intermittent renewables must have fossil fuelled back up generation.
      Just gotta keep calling out the BS from both of them.

    • @WitchDoctor-m9s
      @WitchDoctor-m9s Рік тому +1

      @@polarbear7255
      Yep I think you're right.

  • @savagegfry
    @savagegfry Рік тому +3

    What about these costs, which also aren't being considered; Life cycle replacement of each of the energy types and the battery storage, (between 10 and 25 years), disposal of each of them, all being highly toxic, loss of productive farmlands, estimated at 30%, which will damage food security, and send food prices through the roof, get ready for zee bugs people, loss of remaining manufacturing, due to massive cost impacts of energy and the large increases in resulting welfare costs. These are a few obvious costs, not being considered, and we all know why, because its a big lie.

  • @bobbritten5673
    @bobbritten5673 Рік тому +1

    This is going to cost the Australian people trillions of dollars???? In the end we the people wont be able to afford to pay for the Power!this crap system will never replace coal powered power stations ever ??? My Question is why isn't the government of this country looking into other technology available to reduce pollution on coal powered power stations to zero ! won't this be a good start And cost a fraction of what thay are doing now ? One thing i remember we never had a problem with power until about 2015 funny how it has all gone to shit since then ????

  • @lesleyosborne9319
    @lesleyosborne9319 Рік тому

    I just Got Solar put on my roof. The Electrician told me The MORE SOLAR People GET the MORE it WILL COST. I was Shocked. He Explained it as this Guy is. 1 HOUR Battery Power costs MILLIONS.

  • @tassied12
    @tassied12 Рік тому +3

    AEMO's ISP had a submissions process where anyone involved in the energy sector could raise concerns about its content. The CIS is not listed as providing any submissions to the ISP. Why raise these concerns now? If they had legitimate concerns, the proper process would have been to provide a submission so those concerns could be addressed

    • @mickoz9389
      @mickoz9389 Рік тому

      AEMO is complicit in dragging this country to it's knees with their biased promotion of ruinables. Australia should continue to burn coal but will have nuclear power because politicians of all sides are to lazy to question the science of co2. Ruinables will always be background irritations.

  • @Gazzatron51
    @Gazzatron51 6 місяців тому

    1 example of "renewables" costs being lumped with the taxpayer is in WA, Western power ( WA gov owned) is moving HV transmission lines/towers to facilitate Synergy (WA gov owned) to build a 500MW battery across the road from the coal plant they plan to shut down early in 2027.

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому

    Transmission is the elephant in the room.
    More electricity, more elephants.
    The first the fill the grid with their electricity wins, Renewables or nuclear.
    EVs, all 20 million Australian vehicles and most parked 23hrs every day, that can be a huge amount of dispatchable electricity in less than 20years.
    Electric vehicles in many streets now.

  • @garydurandt4260
    @garydurandt4260 Рік тому

    "Inputs to the model are faulty" Looks like they have been using some old climate scientists to input the modelling.

  • @anthonywilson8998
    @anthonywilson8998 Рік тому +1

    You will need 3to 4 times as much electricity for the normal grid,plus transport. Plus htg and cooling and hot water. Populationincreases by 2050. 4 times your existing power capacity. Where is it coming from.Batteries will cost you40 trillion for backup. USA ca,lculated at $ 350trillion.

    • @rattusfinkus
      @rattusfinkus Рік тому

      No, we will need more electricity to run a renewable economy but we will need less energy and less mining. We will not need that over inflated estimate spent on batteries. The way the grid functions will change, it is already changing.

    • @jimsaq
      @jimsaq 6 місяців тому

      @@rattusfinkus lol, what a fairytale

  • @geoffmcmahon3288
    @geoffmcmahon3288 Рік тому

    Space and time,,,????????

    • @jimsaq
      @jimsaq 6 місяців тому

      space = transmission (moving electricity from one area to another). time = storage (storing it for use at a later time)

  • @golfmike13
    @golfmike13 Рік тому +2

    No surprises there. The Centre for Independent Studies (CIS) is hardly independent and unbiased.

    • @jimsaq
      @jimsaq 6 місяців тому

      yet you provide no evidence to show they're wrong

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому +1

    No fossil fuels future means 5 TIMES more electricity.
    Hello earth anyone home, hello 👋
    5 times more electricity capacity is 5 times more national grid electricity capacity.
    All Centralised electricity generation needs a bigger grid.
    How can a no grid expansion but more electricity at the point of use work ????????
    Given the national grid costs are close to the Australian GDP and took almosy a century, 10 decades, to build.
    5 times bigger capacity is insanely expensive and stupidly impossible.
    How can Australia have no imported petroleum, no natural gas heating, no gas hotwater, no gas cooking, no gas industrial uses, no gas fired electricity generators, no coal fired electricity generators, no ....
    How can Australia be free of CO2 emissions and still be unaffected by world CO2 emissions and climate destabilisation.
    All of these things have massive additional costs.
    How can the sunniest continent on the planet have electricity at every building in Australia on the national electrical grid, 20million buildings ???????????
    If every building had electricity every day for free, how could it store all that free electricity and fill up its electric vehicle that is parked 23hrs every day near its home building or its work building or it shopping centre high rise car park.
    All these buildings with free electricity and all these EVs huge empty batteries crying for a trickle charge of electricity.
    Just a trickle of electricity for the 23hrs it is waiting quietly in its car park space, just begging for a little trickle of electricity from the big bad building.
    I bet the EV would give a trickle back to the building if it's battery was full and it was dark outside.
    20million EVs batteries could be a big help if asked to return the favour.
    I bet that the EVs would be happy to give after taking.
    I bet that the EV's with selfparking selfplug-in and V2G features would love to be just like the home robotic vacuum cleaner and electric robotic lawn mower and connect to the grid but also be the robotic home battery while the grid rests from its hard day sharing electricity balance on the grid.
    The grid is fragile and would love to be free of the full grid load, to be UNLOADED a little every day.
    75% of grid load is buildings themselves. Including the 50% from the home load.

  • @sanitygone-l9y
    @sanitygone-l9y Рік тому +2

    This video is super ironic considering that fossil fuels receive over 57 BILLION dollars in subsidies and fossil fuel corporations continue to dodge tens of billions of dollars in tax at the expense of the regular Australian people.

    • @polarbear7255
      @polarbear7255 Рік тому +5

      Who do you think backs all the renewables projects? It’s big oil! Intermittent Variable Energy always requires fossil fuelled backup generation.
      Nuclear ends reliance on fossil fuels: that’s why big oil also funds political opposition and anti nuclear propaganda.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 Рік тому +1

      Tax rebates are NOT subsidies.

  • @robertfitchett-o6n
    @robertfitchett-o6n Рік тому +2

    when China invades just imagine all coal, gas and nuclear infrastructure they'll build. and hey, no import costs.

    • @tassied12
      @tassied12 Рік тому

      China is building much more wind and solar than coal and nuclear. They have a net zero target of 2060 and are ahead of that target. The Centre for Research on Clean Energy and Air in Helsinki estimates Chinese emissions could enter structural decline next year

    • @robertfitchett-o6n
      @robertfitchett-o6n Рік тому +2

      sorry, but anything that China says is always going to be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. not the most transparent country in the world. targets and estimates are just could-be this and that to me. i respect The Centre for Research on Clean Energy and Air and truly wish these measures will see fruition. i drawn the line at trusting China.

    • @tassied12
      @tassied12 Рік тому

      ​@@robertfitchett-o6n CREA do source data from Chinese government sources, so there would be caveats. However, you cant hide major energy construction projects. Much of the data on Chinese renewable construction can be independently verified by satellites. They are building massive wind and solar farms in the North West deserts

    • @garydurandt4260
      @garydurandt4260 Рік тому

      I think they may be reconsidering their invasion.

    • @clydesimpson1462
      @clydesimpson1462 Рік тому +1

      China won't invade, Bowen has 3 solar powered submarines, 100 paper aeroplanes and 50 septic tanks to keep us all safe.

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому

    Snowy 2's $2billion project budget is now $12billion or $20billion because of the grid transmission costs.
    if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
    Nuclear promoter's problem.
    And distant renewables problem.
    Nuclear electricity is limited by the grid.
    Grid expansion is limited by construction costs.
    5 times more electricity is needed in a no fossil fueled future world.
    The nuclear grid can supply 20% to millions of customers
    If the customer finds 80% new electricity, the customer can find 100% and does not need the grid.
    Nuclear is an expensive loss leader to the no fossil fueled future world.
    EV big batteries are a nuclear killer with a few m2 rooftop PV.
    Because we have 20million buildings in Australia all grid connected and with roofs.
    We have 20million vehicles and in less than 20years 20million EVs with V2G and most parked 23hrs every day will store free electricity from every roof.
    Nuclear needs 60decades to 100years to make money.
    Nobody will guarantee the nuclear business.
    Get a price to run just a new supply in rural areas.
    City buildings can not be built without enough grid supply, ask a developer.

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому +1

    Every one is faulty on this matter.
    transmission costs exactly.
    Aidan Morrison and Robert Parker and yourself, Professor Barr all say grid costs are the killer costs.
    People are now asking how big is the grid going to be without fossil fuels in the future.
    Does everyone have to get 3phase electricity supply and bigger wires into their homes ?
    Do we have to have more transmission lines and bigger towers into the suburbs.
    Bigger poles and wires and transformers and switch yards and transmission lines to the streets and homes and businesses and industries and buildings and warehouses and shopping centres and...
    People are asking who is going to pay for all this new grid construction??
    And more CO2 emissions?? From the extra mining and refining and smelting and.......
    $ × klm (or miles) is
    1million x 1million = $1TRILLION, and 5 times more that cost and decades and decades and..
    For the love of all things good,
    The Australian GDP is only $1.5 TRILLIONS
    $5TRILLION is a ridiculous commitment.
    It has been suggested in an electric world that the EVs big battery, and Australia has 20million vehicles, 200,000 EVs and increasing will be parked 23hrs every day.
    EVs with big 100Kwh for the long drive, but a daily drive of 7kwh and with the V2G and selfparking, selfplug-in feature can add massive battery capacity to the grid.
    Within 2 decades 2,000 gWh daily strorage, dispatchable storage.
    The existing national grid can be UNLOADED from the 74% of the 20million buildings demands with their rooftop PV and EVs plugged into the grid.
    Rooftop solar PV is cheaper than windows $/m2 and the battery is free with the EV vehicle.
    NO NEW GRID is needed, happy days in the sunniest continent on the planet. 😮😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

  • @golfmike13
    @golfmike13 Рік тому +4

    What a load of crap. Firstly, the objective of AEMO is to provide reliable, secure, and affordable power. They are to meet a reliability standard of 99.998 (percent of forecast consumer demand to be met each year). The ISP absolutely considers reliability.
    Secondly, both the CSIRO GenCost report and the AEMO ISP contain transmission plans and costings.

    • @WitchDoctor-m9s
      @WitchDoctor-m9s Рік тому +7

      Sure. Want to buy a Bridge ?

    • @tassied12
      @tassied12 Рік тому +1

      @@WitchDoctor-m9s AEMO provides the data. Go have a read of their Transmission Expansion Options papers.

    • @stewatparkpark2933
      @stewatparkpark2933 Рік тому +1

      You are very naïve .

    • @WitchDoctor-m9s
      @WitchDoctor-m9s Рік тому +4

      @@tassied12
      Sure. Want to buy a Bridge?

    • @polarbear7255
      @polarbear7255 Рік тому +4

      @@tassied12aemo is the market operator: they have NFI. Go check out the Australian Nuclear Association’s presentations… the reality as presented by actual engineers.

  • @rattusfinkus
    @rattusfinkus Рік тому

    No new coal generators are not going to be built in Australia.
    Nuclear will take 20 years to build in Australia.
    If you want power tomorrow, we need renewables.

  • @rattusfinkus
    @rattusfinkus Рік тому

    Nuscale SMR just crashed and burned because SMRs are not viable

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 Рік тому

    Nothing but silence 😮
    The mathematics is almost at kindergarten level.
    No calculus, or trigonometry, or complex numbers.
    Imagine a half built nuclear rollout.
    20million EV storing 2,000gWh daily of dispatchable electricity.
    In a decade.