Good video lads. I rarely get to use my (very expensive) conduit bender in my mainly domestic world which is a bit of a shame as a tidy galvo job can be rather satisfying.
One of the vice benders I used to use, had a special type of former where you could bend 90 and 45 deg bends without having to check it after. Whatever angle to set the former to, it wouldn't allow you pull more than that angle.
Same here but I was fortunate to pick up one for £75 from a job that had just finished in London. They were selling everything. Had to by a Stop End but got one from TLC for a tenner.
Great Video, such a handy tip for all those working with Metal Conduit
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Excellent video, I don’t do much conduit and really don’t like doing it but this video has shown the best practice to work out an elbow bend and actually makes it easier than the way I was taught
Well done guys! It’s so good to see training videos like this. New guys to the game have to learn and these old school engineering techniques are dying off. So many in the trade don’t know the basics. They only seem to know, “ twin N earth” Lol! I’m approaching retirement now and it’s wonderful to see this being taught properly! Thanks guys!
Literally spent so much time at work trying to do that but opposite way, it was really bugging me I just couldn’t quiet get it without cutting a bit off the end
Hi Will. We are trying it’s just finding time to fit it all in. Hopefully we can do a back of bend to back of bend video soon. Thanks for the support Gaz 👍
If you over bend it, you've got to throw away the conduit and start all over again 😂😂😂 Only joking... put the conduit back in vice bender with the conduit now pointing upwards, pull down ever so slightly and keep rechecking the angle.
I've been waiting for you to mate more conduit videos. Thank you, you have no idea how helpful these are. Do you have any similar techniques when bending in a bubble set?
Hi. Thanks for the support 👍. This one was an early video and shot live in the workshop but it maybe helpful ua-cam.com/video/dTxEGvdd_38/v-deo.html thanks again Gaz
My old mentor “Jurassic Sparks” Showed me this method (Hated conduit graveyards) Best method for me personally. Your the first conduit channel to show such Jedi secrecy. Now another thing Jurassic sparks liked doing was Pyro (MICC) without using a stripper and a potting Tool.
Great video guys but im hoping you'll cover the rest some day! Ive house bashed most of my life and I love to work with metal but there's so little UK videos on it. There's one were an "ole han" is teaching a class and he mentions several key numbers on how to cut to measure and fit perfectly. 1.5" through box diameter 32mm coupler 16mm one end threaded 6mm saddle That's all I remember but those who know will know... Some expert level videos on precision conduit work please!
A better tip so you dont have to mess about with a scrap bit of conduit is (for 20mm conduit) take a 100mm off any measurement you make and put that mark in at the start of the former , its a lot quicker
electrician154 I was about to comment that once you have the 90 degrees, measurement, you can measure that distance between the start of the former, take that measurement of the bend amount and then don't have to worry with a square and scrap piece when in the bending machine as it's a consistent measurement
electrician154 now just to make marks on the former for different angles (part of the reason I like the American forming tool, however much lighter gauge)
I like to get a 90 and put it back into the former. With the arm in place, (as if to add more to the bend), I mark the side of the former where the swing arm intersects. This is then my reference point for future 90's
Great vid as per usual. After using the set square couldn't you just measure from the start of the former to the mark. Then use this measurement from now on to get the back of the bend postion?
That’s great showing it that way guys but could you show us about how your doing it with a 3m length like you would on site please. Ie bending from bottom up and mark back distance please as would be very useful for new learners and apprentices. Thanks guys
When I used to work on industrial sites, we used to use door frames to check our bends were 90 deg. It's been a while so I'm not sure if they still do it that way
I’ve got a challenge. Now I’ve been doing Steel conduit for about 15 years the most difficult bend I found was forming pipe gradually around a circular shaped wall. In some cases a gradual circular bend using a full length.
That's called a concentric bend. You need to use the concentric formula to find degrees per bend and spacing between each bend. Using a protractor for accuracy and a charted Chicago bender or triple nickel to perform each small bend.
Love these conduit videos. Lots more needing covered on conduit as I'm no expert with it myself. I seen a really old video of an older lecturer teaching young lads how to do it. He used certain numbers to calculate exact installations which was very impressive. He took into account the depth of the saddle, couplers and through boxes etc E.g Saddle -6 Depth to center of through box 1.5 inches Coupler 16mm 32mm for running couplers I think it was. So adding or subtracting those figures where needed. It was pretty accurate stuff. Any info or videos on this type of exact measured installs would be great
Great video. But can I please ask. If you put conduit in bender from opposite direction to bend due to length being too long do you have to alter any marks etc? Thanks
If you turn the conduit the other way around and parallel to the floor, then put your tape measure under the conduit and push it in as far as it will go into the former adjusting the conduit until it measures 300 on your tape, then make the bend. The bend will be 300mm to the back. The only thing that will throw the measurement out will be the size of the lip on the end of your tape. But you can adjust to your tape and it will bend correctly every time. Use the same method if you are bending upwards in the vice.
good video, that looks a 20mm conduit, my question is: would the process be equal in a 25mm conduit? as i believe the bend is bigger in a 25mm conduit??
Great refresher for me, love a bit of galv conduit work but I do mainly plastic nowadays. Even then it's getting rarer.. Shame, do they still use whale blubber to cut threads with? "Talon" I think it was called lol.. Showing my age! great vid guys 😎👍
Very informative way to accurately bend galv conduit. I'm assuming the same principal could be applied with PVC? (Minus the bending machine) BTW, Nice use of a stray nail 👍
Back in the day I came from a single gang box, made a saddle over a dropping conduit and calculated what i needed to enter a wall mounted light fitting...i was chuffed...coupling right on the fitting....i would struggle to do that now ha ha
I'm an American electrician apprentice and I run ALOT of emt. Like I've never seen anyone ever lay a 90 like that or physically bend it like that. Is the process the same in mm as in inch? So like that looks like 3/4" emt which has a "take up" of 6" so if you measure to the front, back, or center of your pipes (it depends on how the pipe is positioned already what's what, ultimately.) from your destination to start points. So if you need a to make a corner in a room and your last pipe is 51" from the corner, you have a 51" 90°. Then you subtract 6 from that. Then you hook the bender at the 45" mark. Bend, level, tweak.
I hardly touch galv but great demonstration of the skill/feel involved in getting the correct angle with 'spring back' when bending (always gotta go past...but not too much'. Nice work Joe! (Oh ok...and Gary)
Hi awesome video as always.👍 I have a question but isn't related to the video but hopefully you could answer it. I've been offered an apprenticeship for a company that mainly works on power and BMS. I was wondering if I will still gain the knowledge of basic electrical systems. Cheers 😀
Hi JKW. Your college will only cover limited amount of installation practice... the key word you sent was apprenticeship they are difficult to gain so ask them what training they offer before making a rash decision about taking or not taking the offer. All the best Gaz 👍
Been doing some practice using this method. Is there a reason it's always 10mm too short? Maybe bending machine set up? Also how would you approach it if you had to bend from the opposite way because your conduit is too long ?
Sorry gents. I’ve been doing pipework for thirty years and what you just done there is odd. Why use a scrap bit of pipe? Take your measurement to the back of the bend and subtract the dimension of the pipe. 20mm in your example. If I was going on an internal wall I’d allow 25mm for a distant saddle
Hi 👍. I did alive crank set back in the day sorry about the poor quality. Gaz ua-cam.com/video/dTxEGvdd_38/v-deo.html Thanks for commenting and watching 🙌
@@Jay369 you mean in reverse? These guys pulled the leave from up to down. Are you saying there is a way to pull the lever from the down to up position to bend conduit?
@@redx11x yes. If you look at the position of the bending machine at the beginning of the clip (approx 00:13), this is the resting position. You can feed a conduit into the bending machine and pull the swing arm upwards to bend long conduits. 👍
@@Jay369 Thanks Jordan, you've been great. I hired a machine from HSS and it bent the 4m conduit upwards just as you said. Thanks a million for your time and patience.
Welll what can I say, that is not the way to bend pipe mate, in the real world you just got to put a little too much in and take a little out l. I do like that you measure to the back of the bend👍 but that method is how I would bend to the front of the bend. 👍 all good if it works it works 👍
The way you bent that is a huge waste of time what is that 1/2” rigid? Get out your 3/4” bender, make your mark subtract for take up Use arrow put your level on the pipe, bend it, no need for all that lining up stuff you do, one measurement, deduct, mark bend. You do it as a waste of time
That's the way we used to do it , length required then subtract the fixed measurement ( cant remember now as this was in the 60/70s but something like 3 1/4" ) place on the bending mark , bobs your uncle , job done , this was in the days of foreman measuring how much work you had done during day .
@@GSHElectrical I know Gaz, no offence meant. I could train your lads to do it in half the time with the same result, after all when there out in the field time is important.
Good video lads. I rarely get to use my (very expensive) conduit bender in my mainly domestic world which is a bit of a shame as a tidy galvo job can be rather satisfying.
Thanks for the support David 👍
One of the vice benders I used to use, had a special type of former where you could bend 90 and 45 deg bends without having to check it after. Whatever angle to set the former to, it wouldn't allow you pull more than that angle.
Same here but I was fortunate to pick up one for £75 from a job that had just finished in London. They were selling everything. Had to by a Stop End but got one from TLC for a tenner.
Brilliant Gaz and Joe, bring on the next video!👍
Great Video, such a handy tip for all those working with Metal Conduit
Excellent video, I don’t do much conduit and really don’t like doing it but this video has shown the best practice to work out an elbow bend and actually makes it easier than the way I was taught
Thanks. Gaz and Joe 👍
Well done guys! It’s so good to see training videos like this. New guys to the game have to learn and these old school engineering techniques are dying off. So many in the trade don’t know the basics. They only seem to know, “ twin N earth” Lol! I’m approaching retirement now and it’s wonderful to see this being taught properly! Thanks guys!
Hi David. Thanks for the support and positive feedback all the best. Gaz 👍
you guys need to explain how to do this with full lengths where you put the tube in the other way. For those that don't know.
Yea that’s what I was hopi g for when I watched as I have to bend conduit the opposite way
Literally spent so much time at work trying to do that but opposite way, it was really bugging me I just couldn’t quiet get it without cutting a bit off the end
@@Derkaderkavlad it's easy when you know
This is a brilliant and critical video for those who need to understand the art that is working the pipe! 👍👏
Thanks for the support e5 👍
Brilliant work team “Great Sense of Humour” GSH👍
Brilliant as usual lads. Keep up the good work.
Great tips. More conduit and containment please!
Hi Will. We are trying it’s just finding time to fit it all in. Hopefully we can do a back of bend to back of bend video soon. Thanks for the support Gaz 👍
@@GSHElectrical really appreciate all the effort you guys make. Absolute credit to the industry.
Amazing video lads outstanding performance really helped me learn how to bend at 90 with perfection
Love to see more conduit videos and a video what to do if you over bend it. Thanks
If you over bend it, you've got to throw away the conduit and start all over again 😂😂😂
Only joking... put the conduit back in vice bender with the conduit now pointing upwards, pull down ever so slightly and keep rechecking the angle.
@@ashmanelectricalservices4318 thanks alvin
Ashman Electrical Services Or stand on the conduit bend and push back slowly, Both methods work
Very helpful video guys
I've been waiting for you to mate more conduit videos. Thank you, you have no idea how helpful these are. Do you have any similar techniques when bending in a bubble set?
Hi. Thanks for the support 👍. This one was an early video and shot live in the workshop but it maybe helpful ua-cam.com/video/dTxEGvdd_38/v-deo.html thanks again Gaz
My old mentor “Jurassic Sparks” Showed me this method (Hated conduit graveyards) Best method for me personally. Your the first conduit channel to show such Jedi secrecy. Now another thing Jurassic sparks liked doing was Pyro (MICC) without using a stripper and a potting Tool.
Great video guys but im hoping you'll cover the rest some day! Ive house bashed most of my life and I love to work with metal but there's so little UK videos on it. There's one were an "ole han" is teaching a class and he mentions several key numbers on how to cut to measure and fit perfectly.
1.5" through box diameter
32mm coupler
16mm one end threaded
6mm saddle
That's all I remember but those who know will know...
Some expert level videos on precision conduit work please!
It's always best to over bend not under bend always easier to take a bit out, Harder to put more in as you have to put it back in bender, good vid,
👍🏻
stunnin vid
Thanks
A better tip so you dont have to mess about with a scrap bit of conduit is (for 20mm conduit) take a 100mm off any measurement you make and put that mark in at the start of the former , its a lot quicker
electrician154 I was about to comment that once you have the 90 degrees, measurement, you can measure that distance between the start of the former, take that measurement of the bend amount and then don't have to worry with a square and scrap piece when in the bending machine as it's a consistent measurement
@@craighawkinsch yeah a 20mm former you take 100mm off for a 25mm former you take 130mm off
electrician154 now just to make marks on the former for different angles (part of the reason I like the American forming tool, however much lighter gauge)
These video's have essentially walked me through my entire apprenticeship. Legends
Glad they helped you 🦾. Gaz 😁
Spot on!! great video, very helpful 👍
Thanks 🙌
Great video, super handy visual keep guide for the times we need to bend up some steal conduit. Thanks 👍
Exactly what i was looking for, thanks fellas👍👍👍
Love the Nail retaining the roller.
Colleges don’t have much money so we have to make do 👍. Thanks for commenting and watching. Gaz
I like to get a 90 and put it back into the former. With the arm in place, (as if to add more to the bend), I mark the side of the former where the swing arm intersects. This is then my reference point for future 90's
Great stuff guys very helpful
Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@@GSHElectrical can you do a video of how you do a four point saddle see how you go about it
Nice one Joe!
Thanks for the support 👍
Hi Richard it was fantastic to meet you at the NICEIC and ELECSA apprenticeship competition 👍🍾🥂
Likewise it was a pleasure to meet you guys! Will hopefully see you there again next year if not before!
👍
Don't forget about your coupling which will make it longer
Great vid as per usual. After using the set square couldn't you just measure from the start of the former to the mark. Then use this measurement from now on to get the back of the bend postion?
Nice one lads, makes life easier.
We try 👍
Great video as always, in future videos I would mention that you want to hide the writing on the tube so that the job looks more professional.
Yes probably on a commercial site but I doubt they'll be that bothered on an industrial site.
Or just rub the lettering off with a wipe.
Quality stuff guys!
Thanks
That’s great showing it that way guys but could you show us about how your doing it with a 3m length like you would on site please. Ie bending from bottom up and mark back distance please as would be very useful for new learners and apprentices. Thanks guys
Thanks!! Very helpful!! TOP TIP
Thanks 👍
Thanka for sharing
When I used to work on industrial sites, we used to use door frames to check our bends were 90 deg. It's been a while so I'm not sure if they still do it that way
put it on the floor with a magnetic level on the bit sticking upright
It hasn't changed.
I’ve got a challenge. Now I’ve been doing Steel conduit for about 15 years the most difficult bend I found was forming pipe gradually around a circular shaped wall. In some cases a gradual circular bend using a full length.
Use abig block of wood with a hole it. .used to be on sites in the 80s..or find some door jam or some scaffold u can do a slow bend ....
That's called a concentric bend. You need to use the concentric formula to find degrees per bend and spacing between each bend. Using a protractor for accuracy and a charted Chicago bender or triple nickel to perform each small bend.
Love these conduit videos. Lots more needing covered on conduit as I'm no expert with it myself.
I seen a really old video of an older lecturer teaching young lads how to do it.
He used certain numbers to calculate exact installations which was very impressive.
He took into account the depth of the saddle, couplers and through boxes etc
E.g
Saddle -6
Depth to center of through box 1.5 inches
Coupler 16mm
32mm for running couplers I think it was.
So adding or subtracting those figures where needed.
It was pretty accurate stuff. Any info or videos on this type of exact measured installs would be great
Found it... ua-cam.com/video/gZxEfmG6O_w/v-deo.html
Good vid
Great video. But can I please ask. If you put conduit in bender from opposite direction to bend due to length being too long do you have to alter any marks etc? Thanks
If you turn the conduit the other way around and parallel to the floor, then put your tape measure under the conduit and push it in as far as it will go into the former adjusting the conduit until it measures 300 on your tape, then make the bend. The bend will be 300mm to the back. The only thing that will throw the measurement out will be the size of the lip on the end of your tape. But you can adjust to your tape and it will bend correctly every time. Use the same method if you are bending upwards in the vice.
good video, that looks a 20mm conduit, my question is: would the process be equal in a 25mm conduit? as i believe the bend is bigger in a 25mm conduit??
Thanks you very much
When doing your initial measurement, why did you choose 300mm specifically, Is that a one size fits all method ?
It was the measurement my learners needed. This technique works for all measurements 👍🏻
Don't forget to measure from coupling added as well as taking 5mm off if mounting pipe to a wall with a saddle 👍
Brilliant.
Thank you sir
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what stops the measurements from moving?-is there a clamp to keep everything in place after measuring 90 degrees ETC??
Great refresher for me, love a bit of galv conduit work but I do mainly plastic nowadays. Even then it's getting rarer.. Shame, do they still use whale blubber to cut threads with? "Talon" I think it was called lol.. Showing my age! great vid guys 😎👍
Talow
@@impactvision that's the stuff 😂👍
Beef fat or (bovine) dripping.. Was it really made of whale blubber in the 80's though? Or was my tutor taking the piss? 😂🐳
Very informative way to accurately bend galv conduit. I'm assuming the same principal could be applied with PVC? (Minus the bending machine)
BTW, Nice use of a stray nail 👍
Gareth Warden no mate
Back in the day I came from a single gang box, made a saddle over a dropping conduit and calculated what i needed to enter a wall mounted light fitting...i was chuffed...coupling right on the fitting....i would struggle to do that now ha ha
Thanks for commenting James 👍
I'm an American electrician apprentice and I run ALOT of emt. Like I've never seen anyone ever lay a 90 like that or physically bend it like that. Is the process the same in mm as in inch? So like that looks like 3/4" emt which has a "take up" of 6" so if you measure to the front, back, or center of your pipes (it depends on how the pipe is positioned already what's what, ultimately.) from your destination to start points. So if you need a to make a corner in a room and your last pipe is 51" from the corner, you have a 51" 90°. Then you subtract 6 from that. Then you hook the bender at the 45" mark. Bend, level, tweak.
I hardly touch galv but great demonstration of the skill/feel involved in getting the correct angle with 'spring back' when bending (always gotta go past...but not too much'.
Nice work Joe! (Oh ok...and Gary)
Thanks Shaun. More to come on conduit in the coming weeks 👍. Thanks again Gaz
Hi awesome video as always.👍 I have a question but isn't related to the video but hopefully you could answer it. I've been offered an apprenticeship for a company that mainly works on power and BMS. I was wondering if I will still gain the knowledge of basic electrical systems. Cheers 😀
Hi JKW. Your college will only cover limited amount of installation practice... the key word you sent was apprenticeship they are difficult to gain so ask them what training they offer before making a rash decision about taking or not taking the offer. All the best Gaz 👍
@@GSHElectrical thanks 👍
Been doing some practice using this method. Is there a reason it's always 10mm too short? Maybe bending machine set up? Also how would you approach it if you had to bend from the opposite way because your conduit is too long ?
I think It would be easier to cut a length say 500mm or 1m and put your 90 degree bend to the conduit and coupler it to a straight length.
How do you bend accurately through 30 degrees or 45 degrees etc?
Excellent as ever, but methinks there's something you forgot to edit out 😉
Bearded Sparks 7:12 take 2!
Iv done gas pipe work for nearly 8 years and this steel conduit got me a thew times. It’s because I have to thread the end just throws me off
Great video 👍
3:58 Looks like he's nailed it.
Sorry gents. I’ve been doing pipework for thirty years and what you just done there is odd.
Why use a scrap bit of pipe? Take your measurement to the back of the bend and subtract the dimension of the pipe. 20mm in your example. If I was going on an internal wall I’d allow 25mm for a distant saddle
Show how to do it on full lengths or over 1meter called back bending where you pull the arm upwards double offsets and camel jumps all in 1 length
could you do back to back bends?
Hi. We should be finishing the back to back bend video tomorrow 👍😁. Thanks for commenting and watching. Gaz
using a cheap 90 degree welding magnet makes the set up even easier
Totally agree and we have used them on our eFIXX UA-cam channel 👍🏻
Just need to be given a square in our AM2S now 🤦🏻♂️👍🏻
good method as long as the piece your bending isn't any longer then a meter
Turn it round and bend it upwards 🦾
Are cjr electrical next gaz
Hi. CJR 🤔 would be great to see him at Tresham College.
Chris needs to get his ass down there 😂 another funny dude..
Was doing this 40 Years ago
Why didn’t you just deduct the angle measurement you needed and mark and bend? I would have done a bundle by the time you got one stick done
Next video a double bubble set with no join in the middle to mm accuracy
Hi 👍. I did alive crank set back in the day sorry about the poor quality. Gaz
ua-cam.com/video/dTxEGvdd_38/v-deo.html
Thanks for commenting and watching 🙌
I tried this twice at work the other day and it ended up too long . It was with 25mm conduit
Me too was doing 25mm too
You should do a video on using long lengths of conduit where you can’t bend it the normal way as the floor is in the way 😂
You just put the conduit under the former in the same way and then bend up instead of down.
@@echothehusky Try that with 30mm Stainless...
@@PJPsounds I use an electric bender for stainless conduit over 20mm!
If I remember rightly you can take your measurements and then take away a certain measurement then line the measurement up
How do i bend really long conduit?
With the swing arm and stopper in the resting position, place the pipe in the bending machine. You then pull the arm towards yourself and upwards.
@@Jay369 you mean in reverse? These guys pulled the leave from up to down. Are you saying there is a way to pull the lever from the down to up position to bend conduit?
@@redx11x yes. If you look at the position of the bending machine at the beginning of the clip (approx 00:13), this is the resting position. You can feed a conduit into the bending machine and pull the swing arm upwards to bend long conduits. 👍
@@Jay369 Thanks Jordan, you've been great. I hired a machine from HSS and it bent the 4m conduit upwards just as you said. Thanks a million for your time and patience.
@@redx11x You're very welcome. Glad to help.
You must be on day rate if your doing this on every bend .
Joshuah donn we are training learners...
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Welll what can I say, that is not the way to bend pipe mate, in the real world you just got to put a little too much in and take a little out l. I do like that you measure to the back of the bend👍 but that method is how I would bend to the front of the bend. 👍 all good if it works it works 👍
Forget the extra piece of conduit and use the square to align the mark with the edge of the form
On a day rate then...
TRAINING CHANNEL
The way you bent that is a huge waste of time what is that 1/2” rigid? Get out your 3/4” bender, make your mark subtract for take up Use arrow put your level on the pipe, bend it, no need for all that lining up stuff you do, one measurement, deduct, mark bend. You do it as a waste of time
That's the way we used to do it , length required then subtract the fixed measurement ( cant remember now as this was in the 60/70s but something like 3 1/4" ) place on the bending mark , bobs your uncle , job done ,
this was in the days of foreman measuring how much work you had done during day .
Forget all that, just add 30mm to your measurement
🤦🏻♂️
@@GSHElectrical save yourself all that faff and try it…
I hope he dosnt do price work bending conduit, that’s one very long winded way of bending a bit of tube
Hi 😀. We are training learners in a college environment 👍. Thanks for commenting Gaz
@@GSHElectrical I know Gaz, no offence meant. I could train your lads to do it in half the time with the same result, after all when there out in the field time is important.
Hi. 👍. Remember learning environments have learners with a wide range of skills and abilities. Thanks for commenting and watching 😁
Supersparks how bud?
Supersparks With full lengths and long runs?
There should better way of doing this. This is too inaccurate, no marks, no calculations so much time
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Thank you sir