Sweet episode! This is a card I know a bunch of people have looked at post-bans with the rise of dorks. You guys should take a look at doing Dramatic Reversal, Compost, and Retraction Helix if you haven’t already!
Thanks Kevin! I’m ngl, I really don’t like one of the cards you mentioned hahahah. But I’m not going to tell you which one because I want to be mysterious in case we ever do an episode on it!
Cool listen. Loved it as always The thing about VCircle is it just doesn't feel like it packs the punch something this narrow would be expected to. Red blast/carpet of flowers/rending volley may only valid sometimes, but when they are online there is nothing comparable. The same is not true for vcircle. You can just choose this and maybe draw cards, or you can use a consistent version of this effect and definitely draw cards. Very different from the aforementioned. If it's gonna be on the bench some of the time, it better be one hell of a point forward when you actually do have the chance to throw him on the court. And Vcircle just doesn't feel like that mvp like a carpet etc can be.
Great analysis on our comparison to carpet. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a scenario where vcircle is completely useless, whereas I’ve played in many games where carpet has no islands to feed it. Because of this, maybe there’s some leniency in how impactful the card has to be? If it’s great sometimes and just ok other times is that better than amazing sometimes and useless other times? Hard to say where that boundary lies for CEDH specifically.
You guys should discuss Royal Assassin! I dont think its actually good enough for cEDH, but the sorceress queen nostalgia reminded me of its existence :P
Do the math 3 players with an average of 7 tap creatures. Busted. I play tayam earthcraft, thras rog earthcraft, tnk is oh valley floodcaller copy a dork with mockingbird, rog si paradise and springleaf. But currently tnk are even playing monologue tax/trouble in pairs for a second lotho or more draw. This card has a lot of potential. Tnk is on the downhill right now, so them as the one off deck in a pod doesn't make this card dead like carpet. This card shuts off a lot of loops being played currently, sisay, kinnan, magda, every top 10 deck except tnk but they still atleast have 1 tapper.
I feel like this is definitely one of those cards that you have in your toolbox depending on your meta. Lie I've been seeing a ton of kinnan and decks like that, so there I feel like this cards pretty good since Everytime the muse activates it'd go hard. But I def agree on the color, if this was white or green ;-; how I'd love to throw that in selvala
Sorcerous Queen 2UR creature, human wizard 2/3 whenever you cast an instant or sorcery you may pay 1, if you do create a 1/1 human wizard token. I feel like this is gonna be way off. I was very off. very fun card though
So i see the main problem with this card being consistency, in Cedh thats what most people look tor and i think people simply know that it isnt consistent. I think this can be an allstar in the rite deck but i dont think that has been printed yet, Hilda would be the best deck to play it in but i dont think that has any legs in Cedh
Interesting! Another person I talked to at a local tourney this week told me they tested it and it popped off! Someone even convoked a chord and tapped 5 creatures to let him draw 5 cards!
@ wasn’t me! I ended up using the 5 mana tap mode twice to tap a Bloom tender before my turn. Then a tivit player cast copy enchantment, and copied it to stop me from using my dorks.
Agree, which is why I’m not as high on it as others are. I think people get the magic Christmas dreamland once in awhile with it and they have a huge pollywog and feel unstoppable drawing a bunch of cards. But frankly I don’t see that happening in my games and the pollywog just sits there smol.
Sweet episode! This is a card I know a bunch of people have looked at post-bans with the rise of dorks.
You guys should take a look at doing Dramatic Reversal, Compost, and Retraction Helix if you haven’t already!
Thanks Kevin! I’m ngl, I really don’t like one of the cards you mentioned hahahah. But I’m not going to tell you which one because I want to be mysterious in case we ever do an episode on it!
@ compost hater confirmed. 🤣
Im using this in derevi because it draws tons of cards AND it serves as an outlet for derevi. Absolute must include for any derevi list in my opinion.
The derevi synergy is huge!!
Kyle liking this card really caught me by surprise ^^’
Great podcast as always!
I’m normally such a Debbie downer on cards, but this one seems relevant to my meta!
I think song of creation would be a fun one to talk about
I have a friend who plays temur dargo and loves this!!
@@ThatsAGoodCard Im playing it in rog thras and its gas, temur adnaus
Earthcraft is shaking in its boots
The Earthcraft community doesn’t want you to know this one simple trick.
Enduring Vitality on the rise
Bambi has kicked my butt too many times :(
Cool listen. Loved it as always
The thing about VCircle is it just doesn't feel like it packs the punch something this narrow would be expected to. Red blast/carpet of flowers/rending volley may only valid sometimes, but when they are online there is nothing comparable. The same is not true for vcircle. You can just choose this and maybe draw cards, or you can use a consistent version of this effect and definitely draw cards. Very different from the aforementioned.
If it's gonna be on the bench some of the time, it better be one hell of a point forward when you actually do have the chance to throw him on the court. And Vcircle just doesn't feel like that mvp like a carpet etc can be.
Great analysis on our comparison to carpet. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a scenario where vcircle is completely useless, whereas I’ve played in many games where carpet has no islands to feed it. Because of this, maybe there’s some leniency in how impactful the card has to be? If it’s great sometimes and just ok other times is that better than amazing sometimes and useless other times? Hard to say where that boundary lies for CEDH specifically.
It's true, in any other color this would be great. It even reads like a white card without the activated ability
If it were printed in white without any activated ability it would be like the third best draw engine in white lololol
You guys should discuss Royal Assassin!
I dont think its actually good enough for cEDH,
but the sorceress queen nostalgia reminded me of its existence :P
OMG IN OUR VERY FIRST EPISODE YAH TALKS ABOUT HOW THAT WAS THE CARD THAT GOT HIM INTO MTG!!!!!
@@ThatsAGoodCard omg haha thats so funny!
god damn i love old magic cards
I'm not a CEDH player, but i instinctly think about Verity Circle comboing with something like Cryptic Command, Junk Winder or Suppression Ray.
Do the math 3 players with an average of 7 tap creatures. Busted. I play tayam earthcraft, thras rog earthcraft, tnk is oh valley floodcaller copy a dork with mockingbird, rog si paradise and springleaf. But currently tnk are even playing monologue tax/trouble in pairs for a second lotho or more draw. This card has a lot of potential. Tnk is on the downhill right now, so them as the one off deck in a pod doesn't make this card dead like carpet. This card shuts off a lot of loops being played currently, sisay, kinnan, magda, every top 10 deck except tnk but they still atleast have 1 tapper.
I think it’s in the best position it’s been in in years!
I feel like this is definitely one of those cards that you have in your toolbox depending on your meta.
Lie I've been seeing a ton of kinnan and decks like that, so there I feel like this cards pretty good since Everytime the muse activates it'd go hard.
But I def agree on the color, if this was white or green ;-; how I'd love to throw that in selvala
Smh WOTC doesn’t want green to succeed
I adapted to the CEDH meta. I walked away from it and didn't look back.
I stared into the CEDH meta, and the meta stared back.
Old art is best art!
Sorcerous Queen 2UR creature, human wizard 2/3 whenever you cast an instant or sorcery you may pay 1, if you do create a 1/1 human wizard token. I feel like this is gonna be way off.
I was very off. very fun card though
Were there a couple of meatballs in the art you were thinking of?
So i see the main problem with this card being consistency, in Cedh thats what most people look tor and i think people simply know that it isnt consistent. I think this can be an allstar in the rite deck but i dont think that has been printed yet, Hilda would be the best deck to play it in but i dont think that has any legs in Cedh
Ok, tried it. People stop using their dorks. Though I did draw a few cards, it was inconsistent.
Interesting! Another person I talked to at a local tourney this week told me they tested it and it popped off! Someone even convoked a chord and tapped 5 creatures to let him draw 5 cards!
@ wasn’t me! I ended up using the 5 mana tap mode twice to tap a Bloom tender before my turn. Then a tivit player cast copy enchantment, and copied it to stop me from using my dorks.
Every list has problems leveling pollywog.
Agree, which is why I’m not as high on it as others are. I think people get the magic Christmas dreamland once in awhile with it and they have a huge pollywog and feel unstoppable drawing a bunch of cards. But frankly I don’t see that happening in my games and the pollywog just sits there smol.