this is genuinely one of the rare videos showcasing the true strength of wholesome (quite traditional) Bujinkan approach to swordfighting - if practiced the proper way, of course.
Yes , the operative word " properly". This would put into context so many of the traditional kata people practice endlessly and give a feeling for how some of the principles would tie in. The added bennefit would then be conditioning and feeling resistance which one could apply to empty handed training as well. Sadly do you see much of this when you look around the Bujinkan? I don't...
@@Polentaccio >97% of Bujinkan is bullshido, imho. Ishizuka -> Kacem looks to me like the best, and most likely probably the only "proper lineage", in the lack of better words.
Que video tan interesante!! Debe ser muy fructífero poner a prueba y testear la practica marcial saliendo de la zona de confort y tratando de recrear cuidadosamente lo que han sido el origen de las técnicas en el campo de batalla, sin perder de vista que estamos en el siglo XXI
@@BalaJunior because sparring, particularly sparring like this creates very bad habits. There are things you can do with a shinai that you cannot do with a katana. when sparring like this, people start doing things that they couldn’t actually do in a real sword fight. The same thing happens when sparring without weapons. The whole thing breaks down and people start trying to score points rather than defeat their opponent. This is the reason why professional warriors whose lives depended on their combat training, used waza as the bases of their training and not sparring. Randori was used once a person had developed enough skill in the use of forms that they could maintain their form engaging in a more free flowing test of those skills. Don’t get me wrong. This stuff is cool, but there’s multiple points that both of these individuals have fallen into where if they were using real swords, it wouldn’t work that got so far removed from real sword fighting because it became about scoring points by whacking someone with a light bamboo weapon rather than a heavy steel one. None of the people who criticize the lack of sparring in the Bujinkan, and I really do mean none of them regardless of what systems they training, would have survived one on one fight with Takamatsu, who never sparred.
@brendanmahoney8550 You are 100% wrong, that is a very narrowed and misinformed opinion. You don't acquire bad habits if you know what you are doing. Also there are no "points" in this practice, this continuous training with no winners or losers. If you think that just practicing kata you will be able to fight with a sword you are very naive.
Martial arts hone the body and mind, you lose your pride and stop holding grudges when you realise that you're purposefully being matched against superior opponents, its to humble you.
very interesting indeed.. what I don't see is many clear wins on either side. In both cases there are many double hits, or while rushing in for a good strike, a smaller counter strike before the big hit is 'ignored'.. so while you state in the 3 rule set, that you 'fight, as if you used a real sword', maybe some of the double hits would actually been fatal for both of you.. which would be bad on the battlefield, since nothing would be gained. do you also have a rule set for that case? I love the intention and the energy, I just believe that rushing in like that sometimes would not be beneficial if the swords indeed are real.. :-) all over, much respect!
The Bujinkan ninjutsu art in a swordfigh have techniques to get the oponent's sword, by these and other techniques of Rolling we can see the ninjutsu fighter, i think is the guy that the foot protector is showing his fingers, the samurai guy have a foot protector that hides all the parts of his foot
No lo creo el ninja jamás se acercaria a un combate cuerpo a cuerpo teniendo un ninjato además antes de hacerlo arrojaría algo para persuadir a su rival
The guy with the shin guard was applying traditional techniques. I wouldn't say traditional, but ancient techniques were adapted to fighting as you can see.
this is genuinely one of the rare videos showcasing the true strength of wholesome (quite traditional) Bujinkan approach to swordfighting - if practiced the proper way, of course.
Yes , the operative word " properly". This would put into context so many of the traditional kata people practice endlessly and give a feeling for how some of the principles would tie in. The added bennefit would then be conditioning and feeling resistance which one could apply to empty handed training as well. Sadly do you see much of this when you look around the Bujinkan? I don't...
@@Polentaccio >97% of Bujinkan is bullshido, imho. Ishizuka -> Kacem looks to me like the best, and most likely probably the only "proper lineage", in the lack of better words.
This was very exciting to watch. I love how well the Jujutsu was integrated into the Kenjutsu. Thank you for posting and thank you to the Kenshi.
Very nice! Thank you so much! I like you channel.
Que video tan interesante!! Debe ser muy fructífero poner a prueba y testear la practica marcial saliendo de la zona de confort y tratando de recrear cuidadosamente lo que han sido el origen de las técnicas en el campo de batalla, sin perder de vista que estamos en el siglo XXI
This is an INCREDIBLE video. This type of content is not visible enough in internet to comprehend what traditional martial arts mean.
Nothing traditional about this. Neither samurai nor ninja trained or competed like this.
Fantástico video. Gracias por una aportación de tanta calidad.
My Bujinkan teacher is also a Kendo black belt, so I sent this to him. I've also always had an interest in Gekiken, so this was exciting for me, too!
Por fin bujinkan en serio! Gracias por el valioso aporte!
Subbed for this, would really like to explore shuriken in live sparing !!!!
amazing to see bujinkan members actually sparring, great stuff, keep posting!
just because you don't see something on the internet doesn't mean it's not happening.
@@ch5477 You are actually right, but its a fact that bujinkan schools doesnt have the habit of sparring.
@@BalaJunior because sparring, particularly sparring like this creates very bad habits. There are things you can do with a shinai that you cannot do with a katana. when sparring like this, people start doing things that they couldn’t actually do in a real sword fight. The same thing happens when sparring without weapons. The whole thing breaks down and people start trying to score points rather than defeat their opponent. This is the reason why professional warriors whose lives depended on their combat training, used waza as the bases of their training and not sparring. Randori was used once a person had developed enough skill in the use of forms that they could maintain their form engaging in a more free flowing test of those skills. Don’t get me wrong. This stuff is cool, but there’s multiple points that both of these individuals have fallen into where if they were using real swords, it wouldn’t work that got so far removed from real sword fighting because it became about scoring points by whacking someone with a light bamboo weapon rather than a heavy steel one. None of the people who criticize the lack of sparring in the Bujinkan, and I really do mean none of them regardless of what systems they training, would have survived one on one fight with Takamatsu, who never sparred.
Agree!
@brendanmahoney8550 You are 100% wrong, that is a very narrowed and misinformed opinion. You don't acquire bad habits if you know what you are doing.
Also there are no "points" in this practice, this continuous training with no winners or losers.
If you think that just practicing kata you will be able to fight with a sword you are very naive.
exelente
Great video
Nice
This looks very fun and I would most definitely do it but I’m aggressive, competitive, and hold grudges so I won’t
Martial arts hone the body and mind, you lose your pride and stop holding grudges when you realise that you're purposefully being matched against superior opponents, its to humble you.
@ I was just kidding
@@Hachiman01 I didn't get the joke, and i've seen many people share this opinion so i thought it was also yours my bad
very interesting indeed.. what I don't see is many clear wins on either side. In both cases there are many double hits, or while rushing in for a good strike, a smaller counter strike before the big hit is 'ignored'.. so while you state in the 3 rule set, that you 'fight, as if you used a real sword', maybe some of the double hits would actually been fatal for both of you.. which would be bad on the battlefield, since nothing would be gained. do you also have a rule set for that case? I love the intention and the energy, I just believe that rushing in like that sometimes would not be beneficial if the swords indeed are real.. :-) all over, much respect!
The video is confusing. Which side is the ninja on and which side is the samurai on?
Yes I know, next time I will probably add a tag on each person.
The Bujinkan ninjutsu art in a swordfigh have techniques to get the oponent's sword, by these and other techniques of Rolling we can see the ninjutsu fighter, i think is the guy that the foot protector is showing his fingers, the samurai guy have a foot protector that hides all the parts of his foot
本来の実践、合戦を意識したいい稽古とおもいます。さらに、殴る、蹴る、倒す、きめる、とどめ、まで、一連できれば、いいですね。竹刀は刀みたいに反りがあれば、なおいいですね。大変面白そうです。参加してみたい😊
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どの辺が忍者？
No lo creo el ninja jamás se acercaria a un combate cuerpo a cuerpo teniendo un ninjato además antes de hacerlo arrojaría algo para persuadir a su rival
I don't see any ninja or ninjutsu being applied
Yes, it is actually more kenjutsu only.
But some of the techniques I'm applying belong to Togakure ryu ninpo, which is a "ninjutsu" school.
The guy with the shin guard was applying traditional techniques. I wouldn't say traditional, but ancient techniques were adapted to fighting as you can see.
@@budo_world
Is this a sparring match All things considered. I mean crap, there's like a foot difference between these two men
I do. Concepts, not your huge kata which are performed slow as hell. An art needs to be alive, not in a museum.