State of Comics December 2023

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  • @ajohndoe17
    @ajohndoe17 7 місяців тому +11

    Just wanted to say that your videos on Tales from the Flipside have been an INCREDIBLE resource for me as someone who is working hard to open a hobby store that involves comics and other things.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  7 місяців тому +2

      Thank you so much it means a lot . It motivates me to make more.

  • @Adamantium-23
    @Adamantium-23 3 дні тому +1

    Emmet, awesome video! You really delivered some gems of knowledge and wisdom concerning the state of comics. "This game has gotten insane," couldn't have been stated any better. You touched on so many great points: Companies losing continuity, high sales numbers only to please investors, the lack of printing on quality paper, why it's essential to introduce kids to books/comics, the ill realities of running a comic business, why do distributors allow returns of their products??? etc. These are all serious questions/issues. Is the current state of comics sustainable? You made this vid in Dec. of 23, it is now 8 months later and things are not any better. A guy asked me in my lcs the other day about what universe a certain comic was in. I honestly said I can't even keep up with it any more. It's difficult to wrap the mind around it all. You are so right. This is exactly how they lose customers. That, and by not keeping up the high standards. People do need to be fired. Straight up! In sports, when you lose that edge, your finished. Same should be for people running these companies. No offense but that's life... Best point made - "we got to do more for the kids" truly a deep concept that people forget. Man... what do we do? I've got solutions and ideas just as you do. Maybe the tides will turn one day. Until then, we just keep it moving.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  3 дні тому

      Just like in football pick the ball up and move forward. It's all we can do. Hopefully somebody will get a good coach /ceo. I made A video recently about the State of Comics. I actually see a lot of movement in marvel. I'm nearly selling out every week. The writing is much better. Currently there is decent continuity although not attached to the original continuity. Some of it is cheesy. Gimmicky but it's selling. I appreciate the valuable points you've added to the conversation. We have to bring back the community. It's only the shop owners that can do it.

  • @donaldhaga956
    @donaldhaga956 6 місяців тому +3

    Man oh man do I wish your shop was closer. Soon when the weather breaks I’ll be coming to see you guys. Please keep going. Enjoyed you immensely on Beyond Wednesday

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      thank you Sir and welcome anytime I'm there Tuesdays and Wednesdays 4 to 8 and Saturday and Sundays all day.

  • @sassysteveartist
    @sassysteveartist 6 місяців тому +4

    Rapidly becoming my favourite comics channel. Wonderful, heartfelt, honest content from a fellow aficionado. Keep up the great work, sir.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      Wow! I'm seriously humbled. Thank you so much

  • @ComicBooksBeerMetalGuy
    @ComicBooksBeerMetalGuy 8 місяців тому +5

    I agree, great video once again. Interesting to hear the comics enomics side of things

  • @bretts8070
    @bretts8070 6 місяців тому +4

    As someone who used to consider himself "CG" in the early days when it stood for proper consumer revolt, I couldn't agree with you more. And certain people that won't be named imo turned it into the drama farm and made it untenable. Now, they're just as bad as all the industry wokists and rage-clickers that stink up the Big Two and sites like Bleeding Cool.
    There are still good new comics made in the USA out there, but it definitely takes effort to find them. Loving what Image is doing, and I hope the best for new voices to actually bring engaging superhero fun to the mix. Will even be sampling Iman Vellani's new Ms. Marvel book with the hope that her enthusiasm for the comics shines through.
    In the meantime, there's plenty of backstock I never got around to, and that's where I've turned most of my attention to the past decade, outside of that brief glimmer of awesome that was much of DC Rebirth. Anyway, I hope I'm not too far away, would love to scour the "reader copy" section of your store for some fun classic reads.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      Well thank you for sharing your journey sir. I have been confused with CG many times. I really just want really well written comics. I don't care what's in the content. I do like a little politics but well written. Welcome to the conversation.

    • @bretts8070
      @bretts8070 6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, sir! I do think the fact that so many political things have been stunts and didn't have strong storytelling to back them up is a big problem. I also think it's a problem that the politics have been so incredibly one-sided and preachy. Not sure how to fix the quality part outside of Marvel and DC actually investing in talent and paying creators and giving them reasons to bring their best to the table through residuals, etc is a must. If they refuse to pay a decent page rate, I don't know how the boat will ever turn around on this. Both publishers need new and better leadership for both problems.
      I've subbed and will be enjoying your weekly updates. Sadly I live in West Michigan, so a weekend road trip is out for now. Thankfully, we have a couple shops here with backstock, though. I wish you the best in your endeavors!

  • @donsantos8798
    @donsantos8798 10 днів тому +1

    Anotber great video. You should put one out daily!!! Such great information and advise!!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  10 днів тому

      Once I retire for my full-time job and I'm at the shop everyday, I definitely am going to start putting out more videos. Stay tuned!.

  • @micpar2
    @micpar2 6 місяців тому +5

    EXACTLY! I started collecting in spring of 1968 as a six year old. In 1971 I started working as a gofer/ organizing comic books and started learning about. Sales and grading. I worked at my buddies stores from 1988-2000. There's so many scum bag speculators who get books graded by CGC. Then ask ten times what it's worth. After starting rumors on line to sell dead comics. Like Marvel's New Uiverse. Which for decades you could barely sell maybe three of those titles back issues. Like Starbrand, DP 7 and one or two others. To fans who bought those new in 86-88 as a kid/teen.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      Lol Marvel's new universe. I can't even sell them out of my dollar bin. Thanks for giving me a laugh. Appreciate the watch and being part of the discussion

  • @consumetheliving
    @consumetheliving 6 місяців тому +6

    Stop with the variants and learn from the Indy publishers. Focus the content to a singlar story line and just put good stories out there. If Marvel and DC keep going at this rate we will see another crash and this time there wont be a MCU or DCU to bail them out.

  • @alazmatfilms
    @alazmatfilms 6 місяців тому +2

    I was just shown this link on Twitter. Your clip on CG was shared all over twitter. I didnt think you were wrong in your overall assessment as an outsider. Myself, an insider, can confirm we have a lot of creators who come in when they have a book and then dip. Also, i am getting tired of the drama being used to sell books. There needs to be more discussion on the content and quality of the books themselves.
    Now that ive seem your whole video, you seem like a rational person with some overall good points, points that defined what CG was supposed to be, qualities i personally still stand by.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for sharing. I appreciate kind words sir. Stay tuned there's more to come.

  • @EnterGalacticComics
    @EnterGalacticComics 6 місяців тому +6

    We need awesome books all over the shelf again.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      Absolutely

    • @MLM68
      @MLM68 6 місяців тому +2

      Yea to many covers and characters. A downsize would be less confusing and easier to follow.

  • @superstreetfighter14
    @superstreetfighter14 9 днів тому +2

    Topic discussion starts at 5:47 😅

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  9 днів тому +1

      Ah thanks for noticing. I sometimes go in deep. Welcome to the conversation and the community

    • @superstreetfighter14
      @superstreetfighter14 9 днів тому +1

      @@HavenForHeroes Thanks for keeping the discussion going. I'm more of a Dark Horse guy myself. Cheers. 🤘🏻🍺

  • @Wiser1FOREVER
    @Wiser1FOREVER 6 місяців тому +1

    Continuity became an issue when they started doing all the restarts of titles! Too many #1s to keep track of on too many titles! Then you have the extra covers/variants that can also make it harder to collect complete runs of many titles due to speculation(recurring note)!

  • @bryanrickard7712
    @bryanrickard7712 6 місяців тому +3

    You seem like a good dude and I really like this channel, but as a consumer if I go in a shop and their back issues aren’t priced, I am not going to be buying any back issues

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      When you know you're going to be paying two and $3 for 5 and $10 books. I don't look them up on eBay but I get it. There are plenty of people who do walk out. I do provide a service where people can leave me a list and I will pull the books and either email them, text them or call them with the price.

    • @bryanrickard7712
      @bryanrickard7712 6 місяців тому

      @@HavenForHeroes ok if I felt that the prices were fair I probably wouldn’t care, but I have been burned with the whole “price at the counter” system before and a lot of times it’s a shady practice. Your system where you will give a price is reasonable.

  • @mikewhiterobot
    @mikewhiterobot 5 місяців тому +1

    Once again, great show. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and are a kind person who loves and cares about the comics medium and industry. That Scriver dude doesn't seem like a nice person at all. I only heard of him bc Bryan showed a clip of him reacting to this video on @BeyondWednesdays today and I don't really care to hear of him again or about his projects that look pretty weak. Hopefully he will go away and be forgotten soon. Looking forward to more of your content. I feel like you are really trying to make a positive impact on the industry and in the world. I wish you all the success I'm happy to vote for you with my wallet and hope you can get a boat. That other dude isn't going to get a cent of my hard earned money or even a view.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  5 місяців тому

      Thank you very much. It's humbling. I hope you enjoy your content going forward and welcome aboard

  • @1971thedoctor
    @1971thedoctor 6 місяців тому +2

    I was selling a lot of my collection of action figures and comics during 2020 and 2021, the figures I would sell for $1,$2, or $3 . The comics if they were common for 25cents to $1, the comics that had value for example If it was going for $20 in the overstreet price guide or eBay I would sell it for $5 to $10. Then with the money I made I would go buy comics I want in my collection. I used to trade but nobody wants to do it anymore. I now mostly buy comics that I will keep.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      That's a great way to get the stuff you want and need for your collection. Good luck and happy hunting!

    • @1971thedoctor
      @1971thedoctor 6 місяців тому +1

      @@HavenForHeroes it was especially nice when I sold my comics to a collector like me.

  • @setaside2
    @setaside2 6 місяців тому +2

    Man, if I were local, I'd come in to alphabetize and organize for trade! Would love to help out in that regard. Wish I could. Also: death to the pump and dump is one of the best pieces of news I've ever heard. Appreciate your pragmatism, man. Wish I was able to patronize your shop on the regular. We're friends via Bill Hicks, alone!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      Oh man! Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. I actually recently had a few people offered to do some work for trade. So yeah it looks like it's going to happen

    • @setaside2
      @setaside2 6 місяців тому +1

      @@HavenForHeroes my first gig was under the table for a local comic guy :) I will always buy brick and mortar. You add a lot of value to a seriously overstuffed UA-cam community. Appreciate all you do.

  • @bigmikesto
    @bigmikesto 8 місяців тому +3

    Great video as usual sir!!

  • @Deephouse_Gent66
    @Deephouse_Gent66 4 місяці тому +1

    Totally agree that story and character continuity for both the Big Two, but especially Marvel, have gotten lost.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  4 місяці тому +1

      Agreed and thank you for watching. Welcome aboard

  • @teetoo3790
    @teetoo3790 6 місяців тому +4

    We need to hear more about how DC stomped and broke your heart.

  • @phillhollowell4122
    @phillhollowell4122 6 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for your honesty, something very rare in the comic world these days.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you the response has been humbling.

  • @Homemadegameguru
    @Homemadegameguru 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you! It is a correction - NOT a crash. I've been telling people this. That 90s spec mindset mistake was reborn during the pandemic to 2022 and now the industry is going through a correction. Add in a broken Hollywood machine that used to option comics and make mega-hit franchises, which then boosted the desirability of the source comics -- now there is no excitement when an indie comic gets optioned because people see a potential failure coming. But I truly believe this correction is needed, good for collectors and the greater industry at large.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Wow! Really great points. Thank you for watching and being part of the discussion

  • @Exodus_comics
    @Exodus_comics 6 місяців тому +1

    The problem for LCSs is not the part time online dealer. It’s 100% the big publishers and diamond, they’ve been squeezing shops mercilessly, and churning out garbage. Your angst is better directed at our greedy corporate overlords like diamond, marvel, and dc. All love no disrespect 🙏 love your vids

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for joining in brother. Appreciate it. Good points

  • @OstrowskiMarcin
    @OstrowskiMarcin 10 днів тому +1

    Question. Wher can I bought that t shirt . I love it 😍

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  9 днів тому

      I think I got it out of a loot crate box 10 years ago.

  • @RobLed
    @RobLed 6 місяців тому +1

    Just fyi, THIS GUY is a true comic fan.

  • @EnterGalacticComics
    @EnterGalacticComics 6 місяців тому +4

    Ultimate Spidey #1 PROVES the fans are still here. If a good book is out, they will come.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      100%

    • @teetoo3790
      @teetoo3790 6 місяців тому +3

      Great read, but over 15 variants for number 1 alone.

  • @TemT8
    @TemT8 6 місяців тому +2

    Been new to this channel for a very short time. Sure like your realistic content, thanks bro!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      Thanks brother, much appreciated. I think deep on some of our old stuff might get a laugh too

  • @TheIronMan728
    @TheIronMan728 6 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video

  • @user-zd9yn5mz1f
    @user-zd9yn5mz1f 6 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the straight talk. Good way to save money. Will check out VINYL and PLUSH!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      Cool and thanks for watching and commenting

  • @txmoney
    @txmoney 6 місяців тому +2

    I don’t care about any book published after 2000...and most ‘90’s books. When Ron Perlman bought Marvel and took it public, it was the beginning of the end for the fun and purity of the hobby.
    To me, the real collectible market (and the best stories) started with the Copper Age.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      They're definitely is a lot of great stuff from that error. I would suggest that you take a look at some of the independents. If you enjoy the stories and not just the heroes, there's a lot of great stuff in the indie market

  • @theartistformerlyknownashe1279
    @theartistformerlyknownashe1279 6 місяців тому +2

    Cyberfrog was never printed by Image. But I'm just a dog. The type of person you don't want as a customer.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      You are right sir. I misspoke. It was Harris not image

  • @TheDjk300ComicGuy
    @TheDjk300ComicGuy 6 місяців тому +2

    Liked and subscribed! Like the honesty and outlook

  • @dhyde9780
    @dhyde9780 6 місяців тому +2

    Such a breathe of fresh air not to see a 9.8 snob. I recently got back into collecting, went back 2 years with DC back issues pf the runs I wanted and also got a bunch of keys of older comics. Saved thousands by not worrying about if it's perfect or not. Or what cover it was. It;s about the art and the story. Ultra pro has great magnet slabs. UV protection and you can still the the book out and enjoy them. Love your channel.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks so much! I'm at DC fanboy myself. You can get in the new books dirt cheap I sell at half cover.

  • @phillhollowell4122
    @phillhollowell4122 6 місяців тому +3

    Where is your shop in the USA?

  • @kashthecollector
    @kashthecollector 6 місяців тому +1

    I would like to visit you shop someday. I would like to see all the cool stuff you sell. I have plenty of gaps in issue runs that I would like to fill.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Well, everyone is welcome. We're very close to Jersey. We're very close to Pennsylvania. We're not far from New York City Port Jervis, New York on the Delaware River.

  • @loganeffling
    @loganeffling 6 місяців тому +1

    So since I've started publishing my comic, I've had an approach of "I'll be pals with anybody who thinks it's cool." This resulted in me being friendly with a lot of the comicsgate community because I don't care about politics or silly ideological movements or anything like that. Recently when the clip from this video was making it's rounds on twitter, I wrote a simple comment saying: "Who is this fellow? I like the cut of his jib!" Because this is the first time I've discovered you. After writing that comment, like 100 comicsgate guys unfollowed me. 🤣I'm thinking you might be on to something here sir!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Sadly, these are not real comic fans, their fans of comics gate. They need to be part of a group. They're lonely, they are hurt and angry. And many of these individuals at the top feed that anger for their benefit money in the field of power. It's sad. Thanks for joining the conversation. Got much more to come. I actually like real politics in my comics but that's what I like. Not what everybody likes. Make comics that you like. Read comments that you like. Just don't hurt other people that gets my ire up. Politics have always been in comics. It started with political comics and newspapers. It's led to comic books, the yellow kid. I'm open to all of it. Welcome to the ride!.

    • @loganeffling
      @loganeffling 6 місяців тому

      It's definitely full of a lot of guys looking for purpose, and they seem to have found it amongst others like themselves. So good for them I guess, if it manages to improve their life. I don't think it's the revolutionary movement they think it is! @@HavenForHeroes 😅

  • @fabbrunette
    @fabbrunette 6 місяців тому +2

    Hey Emmet :)

  • @johnmoyer9259
    @johnmoyer9259 6 місяців тому +2

    Sell through is the key figure.
    Not print run.
    I think you are dead on about small and medium sized store subscriber estimates.
    Most titles have less than 10 any even 5 subscribers for the vast majority of titles.
    Blue Beetle, Shazam, Fire and Ice, Blade, Spider Gwen, Sentry on and on.
    I guess that most Marvel and DC titles have less than 15k sell through.
    I own a store and network with other stores.
    Most new comics have almost no audience.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for the backup on my theories. It's much appreciated. Store owners are important part of this conversation. Thanks again!

  • @anthonythomasexperience
    @anthonythomasexperience 6 місяців тому +2

    Do you have a website to buy from?

  • @rawtalkrealdeal9985
    @rawtalkrealdeal9985 6 місяців тому +3

    Can they really track what stories are good? They are making cover artists Kings because sales are driven by the covers ( variants ).They need to stop making so many covers and get quality writers then the true value will rise.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      Oh I couldn't agree more. Thank you so much!

  • @chadleschasin2893
    @chadleschasin2893 6 місяців тому +2

    It’s all a short term game for the executives that actually hold the power to make changes and loosen control editorially for the writers to tell better stories , they don’t care for the ultimate health of an industry because they most likely won’t be in that position if they properly boost numbers it’s why we don’t have legacy numbering anymore , that’s what’s been happening at DC .. Mid level executives trying to work their way up the corporate ladder , they don’t want to stay in those positions .. they never came up through comics publishing like in the past so they have no affinity to the comic book market as a whole to them Warner /Discovery owns Batman that’s they way it’s always been and they need to control their corporate properties…I highly doubt a book like Watchmen would be published today.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      This is a lot of great points that I completely agree with. Thank you!

  • @NaNa-qb8ld
    @NaNa-qb8ld 6 місяців тому +1

    The people who complain about politics or ideological issues being included in comic books, should read about Jack Kirby. His thought processes about creating characters like Captain America, Black Panther or the New Gods helps us understand that politics is important. Sometimes we need to take a stand and care about each other. Thanks for the video and having a great store, I was able to find issues of Tom Strong, Promethea and even Lone Wolf and cub in your dollar bins. The Lone Wolf and cub books are just great books and ill treasure them.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      Oh thanks so much and absolutely politics have always been in comics actually how comic started political cartoons newspapers?

  • @ryebaldy8479
    @ryebaldy8479 6 місяців тому +1

    Here we go again! Grumpy ole Santa comic guy! Gotta love him, and hate him! You go creepy Santa comic guy, you need your own comic book!! Manufactured market manipulation, nothing new!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому

      Lol love your comment. Bring it on like a thick skin. I'd love to have my own comic. Thanks for watching and being part of the conversation and for the laugh

  • @Sledhead
    @Sledhead 6 місяців тому +2

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching tons of other videos about the industry including a Scott Snyder interview in shop.

    • @Sledhead
      @Sledhead 6 місяців тому +2

      @@HavenForHeroes im watching a bunch of them, really dig them!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +1

      @@Sledhead thanks

  • @dickrider9646
    @dickrider9646 6 місяців тому +2

    I agree with you 100 percent about comics gate. They use their politics to grab the "others" and their live streams are QVC of comics.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  6 місяців тому +2

      Exactly, that's a really good point

    • @berardoferrari
      @berardoferrari 6 місяців тому

      and the loons at DC and marvel do the same pushing thier woke nonsense. see how that works!