EDIT: It's possible that the defense reduction from Harald will NOT be dispelled by Scipio Aemilianus because Harald's skill states that it is part of his own "Buff" whereas Aemilianus states he dispels "debuffs". Testing will, of course, need to be done in order to see what actually happens in game. It's also possible that if Aemilianus DOES dispel the defense reduction, it will simultaneously dispel the attack buff as well, making the whole thing pointless anyway. In the battle log, Harald's "Varangian Guard" Skill shows up in two pieces, the first is the attack buff called "Infantry Inspiration" and the second is the defense reduction called "Formation Destruction". It's unclear at the time of writing this if the game treats "Formation Destruction" as a debuff imposed on yourself OR if the game considers it something along the lines of a "Negative Buff". Pakal has a similar debuff cleanse and apparently it does remove ONLY the defense reduction imposed by Harald so if Aemilianus functions the same, then what I've proposed in the video should hold true. Shoutout to myself for realizing this 2 hours after posting LMAO and shoutout to @mattmattah7740 for reminding me about the Pakal/Harald interaction. Do you think 3rd Scipio is overpowered or nah? Will 4th Scipio be OP? 🤔🤔 Don't forget to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE for more Rise of Kingdoms content! :)
he can't be OP because he has no AOE. Ash will get better trades simply because of his aoe, he will always get better trades because he is tapping rf marches walking to fill the flag.
Based on Pakal Harald interaction, only the defense should be dispelled. Everyone feared what you described would happen when pakal got teased, but test showed he actually cleared the defense only without messing with the rest
If they can give Harold a Health buff in museum you could definitely do it. I like the dispel. I'm interested in seeing how it works but like that Tariq doesn't have self imposed side effects. He has great anti swarm if you dare to swarm those two. You'd be dealing with 2700 and 3400 nuke on that Garrison but if you leave it alone you still are getting hit with 2500 nuke
Great video! I know some people who'd be happy to bring Harold back out!! Can't wait for testing, though as a fielder I'm a little more excited to see WW
I somehow doubt it. The rally meta seemingly shifts in rotations of 2 to 3 releases. This would be the first shift in rally meta for infantry in quite awhile. Our last rally release wasn't exactly good, whereas archer rallies have been the banger for some time now. Maybe over the next few rotations, but I dont think quite yet. Maybe a solid archer garrison, but I doubt a really hard counter right away.
I think the next archers garrison will kick Scipio's ass...then they will do a cav rally able to wreck the archer garrison...that's how this predictable and stupid game works.
I predict that Harald will do really good, testing will show whos best for tradition inf rallies between Tariq, WW and Harald. But with liu we saw other old commanders come back to life so maybe the same happens with harald
Now Hera is a must for countering these smite rallies. Knowing Lilith, they will release new archer garrison with 20% normal attack reduction completely killing smite rallies.
what about scipio and scipio since the new scipio can silence and grows rage too and so does old scipio, so doesn’t that mean they can cast active skills faster plus it’s better than straight up gaining rage that can be lost to skills like tariq last skill
i'm still interested in pakal as a secondary. he's your go to generic anti swarm proof-er secondary. the 40% AD stack and counterattack is so unique and good (esp the AD reduction stacks)
curious if Scipio Aemilianus going to be good paired with a Beli prime with the infantry artifact. rage engine buff + rage engine debuf + extra damage when swarming a target... 🤔 probably won't work that great but maybe beli prime might get to be more usable eventually if everything works out surprisingly good
Hounestly Omni, I can't really remember a dominant infantry rally. Infantry has always been known more for Garrison. It would be nice to see a dominant infantry rally for once, so I, for one, would love to see William + combo be the next Atilla
So I have all the infantry commabders expertise besides Sargon and only have enough Gh to expert one of the next two infantry commanders. Which one do u suggest I go with? I’m infantry main obviously
I have one more question from the previous i posted. I have bouda prime 5551 + hermann prime 5553 but no second cavalry. Should i focus on zhuge 5551 with my hermann or focus on huo 5551 to match with william 5551 for a second cav march. Thanks in advanced
Hey buddy, can you comment if Alex is still worth investing now considering William Wallaces release? Alex's wheel finally just opened for my kingdom and now i'm on the fence with him considering Wallace's release. Thanks
Garrison can only defend 1v1 on Scipio/Harald. Swarming it will make the Garrison lose faster. Just a thought, Do you think that the additional 1 second silence and dps from Guan Yu as secondary not worth? I mean, Guan kinda works like Honda and peopke keep using Honda secondary depite the halved Active. Plus Guan's 4th skill will probably make up for the Halved Active.
I’m fairly certain that cooldowns begin once the actual effect is over. In other words, if an ability lasts 3 seconds and has a 5 second cooldown, the 5 second cooldown begins AFTER the 3 second effect is over. Meaning the soonest you can recast that skill would be a total of 8 seconds after the initial cast time. Cooldowns matter. Edit: cooldowns do not, in fact, begin after abilities end. Cooldowns begin when abilities are initially cast.
@@rokBane31 If so, that’s news to me. I’ve always been told the opposite. I’ll try contacting VIP about it and find out for sure. I’ll come back here when I have their answer.
@@rokBane31 yeah, you’re right! Cooldown begins when ability is casted. Wow, that changes my optics on quite a lot of things in the game. And yeah, it is testable with the battle log. I guess I was just too lazy to go sift through a report and see if an ability ever occurs earlier than I would’ve thought it could.
@@TheLazyGoose i've been playing 5 years. The game is complex lots of things work differently than most understand. Battle logs hold lots of valuable info if you know what you're looking for.
The only pair that can stop scipio is Amanitore/Artemisia Why? Because: 1. Artemisia garrison skill has 10% normal damage taken reduction and disarm the target which is strong against smite commanders 2. Artemisia expertise increases target skill damage so against smite commander is not downside 3. Amanitore is immune to silence and Scipio has silence effect 4. AA pair has a lot of skill damage and Scipio doesn't have any skill damage taken reduction So i think AA pair is back
Wallace AND Luche will be the best secondaries to Milio. The catch is that Luche wil be best against Skill commanders (due to his skill damage taken reduction), and Wallace will be better against Smite garrison (for the same reason). Btw Wallace is underated as a rally: His active skill is NOT 2400, its 2400+300. Meaning a full 2700 smite factor buffed by 20% damage amp from Milio (and if wallace's 40% amp goes on himself, only 2400 should be amplified, but thats good enough imo)
They reduced Belisarius prime rage requirement from 200 to 100 in his first active skill, and now after the update its 200 again, can you please talk about this, lilith thinks that we won't notice
Eleanor/hera trades nearly 2 to 1 against Tariq/LC. Does scipio2 have enough to in his kit to close that gap? Maybe, I guess we will see. The Harold thing is very interesting though.
chis looking at omni's uploads like tthat spongebob "write that down write that down" cut scene.. also, that shirt is from martin garrix. We out to Brooklyn Mirage?
Yey we infantry main and mostly infantry march is happy rn much more to rally infa leader lol i wonder when cavs get an new op commander I couldn't see how they'll counter this lol
just hit the google search and we got a few more Scipio options lol ,i want Lucius Cornelius Scipio as cav rally leader :C with Smite damage .hey dreams are free right? haha wink wink Lilith
Eleanor just performed so dang well for us during our tides of war kvk. I was pretty surprised. She is definitely your best option for a pass right now.
@@denis-mf3cx gorgo/LC isn’t a great rally. Atilla/LC deals much better smite damage. We weren’t too impressed with LC/Atilla rallies though. Eleanor traded positive against every rally they threw at us.
@@OmniarchOfficial Bro, I've been playing since beta, Rise of Civilizations. Atillila's release was the beginning of the additional commanders to the game. As with anything new, bugs had to be worked out. Attila was nerfed, and Constantine was buffed. Did it 'break the game?' No. Were there growing pains with this new commander, of course. But it was a learning process for us all, and it literally took months for Attila to wreak havoc in KVKs before Lilith adjusted his skills. Today's commanders with the formation, equipment tiers, city skin buffs, VIP levels, etc., are very much equipped to counter any newly released commander. As I said before, no one commander will be "breaking the game."
U are reaching for the 2 new infantry commanders. So many heads for no real gain. No AOE is the same flaw the new cavs had. U really have to consider a lot of factors when u max a commander. I think the play is Lui Che primary and whoever is second. I use Alex right now so I will prolly pass on both inf commanders. I would prefer Wallace behind Lui Che if I upgrade Alex.
EDIT: It's possible that the defense reduction from Harald will NOT be dispelled by Scipio Aemilianus because Harald's skill states that it is part of his own "Buff" whereas Aemilianus states he dispels "debuffs". Testing will, of course, need to be done in order to see what actually happens in game. It's also possible that if Aemilianus DOES dispel the defense reduction, it will simultaneously dispel the attack buff as well, making the whole thing pointless anyway. In the battle log, Harald's "Varangian Guard" Skill shows up in two pieces, the first is the attack buff called "Infantry Inspiration" and the second is the defense reduction called "Formation Destruction". It's unclear at the time of writing this if the game treats "Formation Destruction" as a debuff imposed on yourself OR if the game considers it something along the lines of a "Negative Buff". Pakal has a similar debuff cleanse and apparently it does remove ONLY the defense reduction imposed by Harald so if Aemilianus functions the same, then what I've proposed in the video should hold true. Shoutout to myself for realizing this 2 hours after posting LMAO and shoutout to @mattmattah7740 for reminding me about the Pakal/Harald interaction.
Do you think 3rd Scipio is overpowered or nah? Will 4th Scipio be OP? 🤔🤔 Don't forget to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE for more Rise of Kingdoms content! :)
seems op to me
Op
he can't be OP because he has no AOE. Ash will get better trades simply because of his aoe, he will always get better trades because he is tapping rf marches walking to fill the flag.
Based on Pakal Harald interaction, only the defense should be dispelled. Everyone feared what you described would happen when pakal got teased, but test showed he actually cleared the defense only without messing with the rest
If they can give Harold a Health buff in museum you could definitely do it. I like the dispel. I'm interested in seeing how it works but like that Tariq doesn't have self imposed side effects. He has great anti swarm if you dare to swarm those two. You'd be dealing with 2700 and 3400 nuke on that Garrison but if you leave it alone you still are getting hit with 2500 nuke
Rise of Scipio confirmed
Can't wait for 4th Scipio!
@@OmniarchOfficialScipio Antarticanus
Lilith is just priming all of us for the launch of their brand new breakfast cereal, Scipi-O's
frfr
Great video! I know some people who'd be happy to bring Harold back out!! Can't wait for testing, though as a fielder I'm a little more excited to see WW
scip tariq looks like a nasty nuking rally
Absolutely Gigachad rally
Eleanor is a proof that you shouldn't invest till you see next generation commanders who knows if the next arches will hard counter this infantry
Archer garrison? Doubt
Well, then you are stuck in a constant loop of what if the next upcoming commander counters the current one? And just sit there watching for eternity
I somehow doubt it. The rally meta seemingly shifts in rotations of 2 to 3 releases. This would be the first shift in rally meta for infantry in quite awhile. Our last rally release wasn't exactly good, whereas archer rallies have been the banger for some time now. Maybe over the next few rotations, but I dont think quite yet. Maybe a solid archer garrison, but I doubt a really hard counter right away.
I think the next archers garrison will kick Scipio's ass...then they will do a cav rally able to wreck the archer garrison...that's how this predictable and stupid game works.
@@Ilprimariogaming no it’s not bro. Lol Gorgo has been meta for quite awhile now. It definitely isn’t hard counters each release.
I predict that Harald will do really good, testing will show whos best for tradition inf rallies between Tariq, WW and Harald. But with liu we saw other old commanders come back to life so maybe the same happens with harald
Amanitore may be a good option against Scipio A / Harald to disarm the stacks?
Now Hera is a must for countering these smite rallies. Knowing Lilith, they will release new archer garrison with 20% normal attack reduction completely killing smite rallies.
what about scipio and scipio since the new scipio can silence and grows rage too and so does old scipio, so doesn’t that mean they can cast active skills faster plus it’s better than straight up gaining rage that can be lost to skills like tariq last skill
I was thinking that too
Bro he is nuke🔥
please Lilith make him open field commander to help us revenge for all humiliation we get last three years as inf players 😂😂😂
Meet the Scipio family - the game
6:38 How archers felt after they dropped Justinian smh
Can’t wait for these to be added into the game 😂
As an infantry main rally leader this is an exciting release for me
i'm still interested in pakal as a secondary. he's your go to generic anti swarm proof-er secondary. the 40% AD stack and counterattack is so unique and good (esp the AD reduction stacks)
Up next Garrison Scipio! 😂
Can’t wait 😂😂
Scipio City keeperanios
😂@@unknownn.Userrrrrr
C3po should be his nickname.
You can pronounce Scipio from the letters cpo. And he's the third Scipio in the game.
2:48 note that WW's damage will always be 2700 in a rally
Did you use World of Wacraft soundline?
Perhaps.... ;)
curious if Scipio Aemilianus going to be good paired with a Beli prime with the infantry artifact. rage engine buff + rage engine debuf + extra damage when swarming a target... 🤔 probably won't work that great but maybe beli prime might get to be more usable eventually if everything works out surprisingly good
Hounestly Omni, I can't really remember a dominant infantry rally. Infantry has always been known more for Garrison. It would be nice to see a dominant infantry rally for once, so I, for one, would love to see William + combo be the next Atilla
So I have all the infantry commabders expertise besides Sargon and only have enough Gh to expert one of the next two infantry commanders. Which one do u suggest I go with? I’m infantry main obviously
How often do you think the target could be silenced with a Guan pairing as secondary?
The Harold take, Omi is cooking yet again!
What about the rage increae new scipio has and old scipios expertise
I have one more question from the previous i posted. I have bouda prime 5551 + hermann prime 5553 but no second cavalry. Should i focus on zhuge 5551 with my hermann or focus on huo 5551 to match with william 5551 for a second cav march. Thanks in advanced
So it will be infantry meta for garrison and rally both? I need to start training only infantry. So many deads... Lol
Hey buddy, can you comment if Alex is still worth investing now considering William Wallaces release? Alex's wheel finally just opened for my kingdom and now i'm on the fence with him considering Wallace's release. Thanks
So glad you made a video he seems insane can’t wait for the rallies!
the second skill also states that he has to lead a rally, which might imply that he has to be a primary
No it works if he is secondary .. we have that condition on many commander skills and it work as a secondary
Well there’s Scipio senior, the dad of Scipio Africanus, and I believe he is also quite famous.
Also Aemelianus just seen giga op to me
Garrison can only defend 1v1 on Scipio/Harald. Swarming it will make the Garrison lose faster.
Just a thought, Do you think that the additional 1 second silence and dps from Guan Yu as secondary not worth? I mean, Guan kinda works like Honda and peopke keep using Honda secondary depite the halved Active. Plus Guan's 4th skill will probably make up for the Halved Active.
Let him cook! Harald was a smart idea lol, interested in seeing that being tested!
Looking forward to seeing how the tests go!
I thought this was a great video. Informative with good analysis. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! 😁
I have haralad max ,will he get the museum buff? Or a worthy partner!?
😢
William wallace sounds like a cartoon character to a kvk2 player like me
I cannot allow my infantry to die with Harold. Gotta pull him out.
when are they supposed to be released?
Is Che/ Scipio better than Che/ Wallace or
I’m fairly certain that cooldowns begin once the actual effect is over. In other words, if an ability lasts 3 seconds and has a 5 second cooldown, the 5 second cooldown begins AFTER the 3 second effect is over. Meaning the soonest you can recast that skill would be a total of 8 seconds after the initial cast time. Cooldowns matter.
Edit: cooldowns do not, in fact, begin after abilities end. Cooldowns begin when abilities are initially cast.
This is incorrect. A cool down begins the same turn the ability is activated.
@@rokBane31 If so, that’s news to me. I’ve always been told the opposite. I’ll try contacting VIP about it and find out for sure. I’ll come back here when I have their answer.
@@TheLazyGoose it's in battle logs. It's easy to see.
@@rokBane31 yeah, you’re right! Cooldown begins when ability is casted. Wow, that changes my optics on quite a lot of things in the game. And yeah, it is testable with the battle log. I guess I was just too lazy to go sift through a report and see if an ability ever occurs earlier than I would’ve thought it could.
@@TheLazyGoose i've been playing 5 years. The game is complex lots of things work differently than most understand. Battle logs hold lots of valuable info if you know what you're looking for.
Should we upgrade Scipio at 5551 to Open Field and don't need rally???
The only pair that can stop scipio is Amanitore/Artemisia
Why?
Because:
1. Artemisia garrison skill has 10% normal damage taken reduction and disarm the target which is strong against smite commanders
2. Artemisia expertise increases target skill damage so against smite commander is not downside
3. Amanitore is immune to silence and Scipio has silence effect
4. AA pair has a lot of skill damage and Scipio doesn't have any skill damage taken reduction
So i think AA pair is back
Could be the move! We'll see!
Bro, can you review on Tariq/Mehmed pairing on city rally?
Scopio Epic, Scopio Prime, And rise to a new level Scopio Smite 🤣😂❤🎉🙌🙌🙌🙌
Wallace AND Luche will be the best secondaries to Milio.
The catch is that Luche wil be best against Skill commanders (due to his skill damage taken reduction), and Wallace will be better against Smite garrison (for the same reason).
Btw Wallace is underated as a rally:
His active skill is NOT 2400, its 2400+300. Meaning a full 2700 smite factor buffed by 20% damage amp from Milio (and if wallace's 40% amp goes on himself, only 2400 should be amplified, but thats good enough imo)
next up gathering scipio!!
So, what the best pair for scipio prime now? I almost expertise him, and all new infantrys are smite damage 😭
Guan+scipio: guan have relic buff
They reduced Belisarius prime rage requirement from 200 to 100 in his first active skill, and now after the update its 200 again, can you please talk about this, lilith thinks that we won't notice
When do we get these new guys? Will they be on the wheel this week?
Any garrison duo that is good enough for my city 5551? 😬
Btw i got harold maxed if he will be good eith this guy im gonna dust him off for sure
Eleanor/hera trades nearly 2 to 1 against Tariq/LC. Does scipio2 have enough to in his kit to close that gap? Maybe, I guess we will see. The Harold thing is very interesting though.
It would be nice to no longer regret investing in Harald.
I love harald...
Clever analysis, deep investigation, coherent phrases, huge IQ, indeed the best is Omniarch 🚬 🎉
Thank you! 😁
chis looking at omni's uploads like tthat spongebob "write that down write that down" cut scene.. also, that shirt is from martin garrix. We out to Brooklyn Mirage?
i just realized this is the 3rd or fourth time they added Scipio 😭🙏
Hello can you talk about city defense commanders and flag and pass defense commanders for beginners please
Show some love for beginners
Harald is my favorite commander. I hope you're right
Sun Tzu prime will gathering with first skill only need 1 rage and give 1000000000% speed when gathering gems !
Hera expertise is 30% normal damage reduction. Aka smite
You can counter rallies with seige towers. It takes the wind right out of it.
Not everyone has seige commanders
Rise of roma I think there are more hector or something, take out more romans.
Let's just hope that Smite Tree wont debuff skill damage that much🤔
Nice video ❤😊
Nice video 😊
So when exactly is this update coming to live? Im tired of waiting 😒
When you have to add new commanders to actually adjust the meta because Devs have no idea how to tweak existing commanders 😅
I like to see harld back again 😍
Wouldn't we all 😎😎
Scipio Aem+ Gorgo for rally… I’m telling you guys
Did you delete the video of you deleting all your troops and quitting
I’ve never deleted troops and I’ve never quit the game 🤣🤣 are you thinking of Shinchi maybe? Or somebody else?
i agree with it.
infantry, only way ✌
Pakal have 40 attack, 30 health, 5% rally damage + greece 5%. Anti swarm commander.
You still use Tariq for open field? Looks like you're Tariq is 5515 :P
Harald gonna ba a mad rally for anti swarm... Tariq will be a nuke for garrisons and cav garrisons will blow....😮
Yey we infantry main and mostly infantry march is happy rn much more to rally infa leader lol i wonder when cavs get an new op commander
I couldn't see how they'll counter this lol
just hit the google search and we got a few more Scipio options lol ,i want Lucius Cornelius Scipio as cav rally leader :C with Smite damage .hey dreams are free right? haha wink wink Lilith
Harald is back? 🤗🤗🤗
Harald 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Do u really think scipio harald will be a good rally?? Omg wow
Martin garix
My fav rally Alexander the great + Charles Martell ..strong he he he he
I see you video bro you very good👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
You’re forgetting that the defense, attack and most likely smite trees don’t have any rage generation.
They all have rage regen they just don’t have rejuvenate
Only 5 mins after uploaded
Early gang!! 🥳🥳
Eleanor just performed so dang well for us during our tides of war kvk. I was pretty surprised. She is definitely your best option for a pass right now.
But people were saying Eleanor was getting beaten by Gorgo Liu rally’s? If that’s so won’t the new smite rally commander wreck her?
@@denis-mf3cx gorgo/LC isn’t a great rally. Atilla/LC deals much better smite damage. We weren’t too impressed with LC/Atilla rallies though.
Eleanor traded positive against every rally they threw at us.
Cool, good to know gold heads were not invested in vain! 👍
Lie che expertise nerfed or buffed? lilith change it
No change, only updated text
@@OmniarchOfficial ok thanks bro❤️
IMO I think this is the worse position cav has been in
speak so fast in the last minute lol
Nah people will Rally with Scipio/Gorgo 😂 Kidding, these new Commanders will break the game and I am so hyped
Eleanor is such a joke that all of the top OL teams use her almost exclusively.
Link me the part of the video where I talk about Ark you silly goose.
first again 🎉🎉
LETS GOOOO!
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You LOVE using the words "Break The Game." No commander has the power to "break the game." This is not a one-vs.-one game genre.
You must not have been around for Attila’s release… lmao
@@OmniarchOfficial Bro, I've been playing since beta, Rise of Civilizations. Atillila's release was the beginning of the additional commanders to the game. As with anything new, bugs had to be worked out. Attila was nerfed, and Constantine was buffed. Did it 'break the game?' No. Were there growing pains with this new commander, of course. But it was a learning process for us all, and it literally took months for Attila to wreak havoc in KVKs before Lilith adjusted his skills. Today's commanders with the formation, equipment tiers, city skin buffs, VIP levels, etc., are very much equipped to counter any newly released commander. As I said before, no one commander will be "breaking the game."
Keep cool he will be nerf soon
When was the last time they nerfed a commander lol
@@OmniarchOfficial attila remember
U are reaching for the 2 new infantry commanders. So many heads for no real gain. No AOE is the same flaw the new cavs had. U really have to consider a lot of factors when u max a commander. I think the play is Lui Che primary and whoever is second. I use Alex right now so I will prolly pass on both inf commanders. I would prefer Wallace behind Lui Che if I upgrade Alex.
No man, my follow up video to WW pointed out his flaws. If they’re good they’re good, if they’re bad they’re bad
Please pronounce correctly. It’s not Seepio it’s Skipio
Multiple pronunciations for different languages
Watch the film gladiator. And watch the scene when Scipio Africanus is introduced to the arena.
try to do the stimulation bro...and pls make a vid of it👍🫶
We need a Scipio Cavarelyanus please
Lololol