Halsey’s Attack on TikTok Culture (Rant)
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2022
- In this episode I discuss the controversy surrounding Halsey, her record label and TickTok.
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Joni Mitchell did a radio interview on the CBC in Canada quite a few years ago and I never forgot what she said,
" Everybody knows the music business is run by crooks. At least in the old days, the crooks liked music" What a memorable quote.
Brilliant!
Tragically true
The same Joni Mitchell who's against free speech and who pulled her music from Spotify over Joe Rogan "controversy"? Irony is obviously lost on her.
@@IggyWhite How is protesting against what she perceives to be dangerous speech to society "against free speech"? Are the people protesting against Netflix's Cuties also against free speech? Are people asking ISIS propaganda to be removed from social media also against free speech? Surely if speech is absolutely free you ought to allow ALL speech, not just speech you like?
People blow it out of proportion in the most silly ways. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. If you produce harmful or hateful speech, expect societal backlash including boycott and protests. That's not against free speech at all. That's just society working as intended.
@@IggyWhite The same bad ass lady.
As Hunter Thompson once said: "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
Yep.
And Martin Mull said, "writing about music is like dancing about architecture. "
@@ikesweat8749 He also meant it for critics..
Damn that man had such wit
He was wise but he did test drive most of the psychedelic vehicles he happened to seek out. And he was an avid seeker. But don't quote me on that-just the wisdom remark.
Okay, bye!
It's really ironic. She actually did what the label asked for: She created a viral moment on TikTok.
Was that her plan in the first place is the question…. Or is it pure irony?
The music industry's equivalent of self checkout.
Most underrated comment 👏 👏 👏
Rick sits in the sweet spot between a massive first-hand knowledge of everything music for the past 40+yrs and a deep understanding of how newest technologies affect the industry. This man is a rare kin and most people don't realise.
None better said!
So true.
Rick is phenomenal! I'd have bought his bundles and such ages ago if I wasn't in such financial distress. I love Rick's channel! I mention his name to people a lot! I also try to promote him on other channels when appropriate.
That's what is so great ... He knows all the bullshit going on in the music busy from yesterday and today.
Rick is addicted. No matter how shitty the music business is, Rick loves music. The musicians, songwriters, producers, engineers, etc., etc., etc.. Rick lives in the music world.
Like Frank Zappa said: "Learn how to publish and then create your own publishing company for your own music"
And that's the entire key to this mess...you should always self-publish!
In the beginning Prince made that mistake
Periphery did this.
@@lonewolffullmoon mistake?
Id love to hear Franks take on the industry today. Maybe we could have had "Return to Joe's Garage: Parasites and Viruses"
I am an independent artist and my husband is my Manager, Recording Engineer, Mastering Engineer (we produce my work together as a team) and we LOVE your rants about the music industry! We find your insights and critiques of the music industry incredibly valuable. Keep the videos coming!
As a guy with over 3 million followers on tiktok it never ceases to amaze me how often record labels will contact me offering to pay me to include music in my videos. In many cases they are offering obscene amounts of money to video creators on the platform to get them to do what they want
Coming back to this video after having to make all this content he's talking about...
The decentralization of music is a huge problem. Musicians and artist should be focusing on making some of the best music of these times. Todays music is extremely lacking in substance especially mainstream, which is what most people are going to end up hearing
The more time goes by, the more Prince was correct about all of this.
What did prince say about this?
Andy Partridge and XTC said it way before.
@@FuriousGeorge_ George-this is taken from a NYT article about the Prince rebellion from Warner Music. “The music, for me, doesn’t come on a schedule,” Prince told The New York Times in 1996. “The main idea is not supposed to be, ‘How many different ways can we sell it?’ That’s so far away from the true spirit of what music is.” The whole documentary is brilliant but it just talks about the artists retaining control. Granted Prince had the money and power to act in ways Halsey may not be able to.
Also George micheal
@@FuriousGeorge_ It's the raison d'être for the name change.
I love how passionate you are about showing the bullshit that occurs in the music industry. Really reveals that you are a good soul
Rick, you are the man! 👑
In the '60s I was a drummer for a Chicago group called The Cryan' Shames. The band had three albums on Columbia Records. If I do say so myself, the albums were pretty good and we were a great live band. I played on the 3rd (last) record called "Synthesis". The reason some (or many) of you may not have heard about us is twofold. One, the A&R man at the time was Mitch Miller (of TV fame) who hated rock music. and I mean really hated it. Two, the label had Simon and Garfunkel, Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond and Bob Dylan, to name but a few, and had built in sales from all of them, so they had no reason to spend money promoting us, although we did do a lot of visits to radio and TV stations. This was a time when every band and their uncles were getting signed by major labels and I'm guessing 90% were ignored by the big labels. This kind of stuff was the reason indy labels sprang up as artists were tired of getting screwed by the big labels. Of course some of the indy labels became big and the cycle began anew.
The music business has always been designed to make money for the labels and publishers and not the artists. It's the same now with the streaming services. An artist can have millions of plays and still make basically nothing. The only real way to make money is through live gigs and even that is hard to do, given the elaborate stage shows audiences seem to expect these days and the club owners not wanting to pay. I have a friend whose band was hired to play at a local club and were fired after the first set for the ridicules reason that they weren't selling drinks at the bar. When did it become the responsibility of the talent to do the club owners job? Do they fire the bartenders or the wait staff if no one is buying drinks?
That's some great incite Al, and I don't think anyone can truly understand unless they're in the machinery. Labels have always engaged in exploitation, extortion and malfeasance. There's a new challenge these days simply due to the nature of music itself. Decades ago, many genres were commercially viable and marketed heavily, but what have you now? Many producers don't even need musicians- that concept alone is anathema to me. Supporting musicians now may have to be a grassroots thing. Cheers!
You’re a big hit was “Sugar and spice” that hit the billboard top 50. Great song
Mitch Miller was from Rochester NY like Rick!
Many years back the Scottish folk-rock band Capercaillie played in my home town. The first set was supposed to go at 9pm but the bar owners pushed back the start time until they had sold enough booze. So the set started at 1030 to a very disgruntled crowd. Capercaillie told them the reason why there was a late start and they were never invited back.
All the Mega bands and most of our faves from that era got taken advantage of AND stolen from, by bottomfeeder 'suits' that claimed to be responsible for getting them to the TOP. You have a lot to be proud of. And you didn't suffer the Heartache and anger that some of those really resilient bands did.... must be some constellation in hindsight? And You and Your mates and Family know how big you were / are... most of those got lost along the way by our Rock hero's too. Well done musical man.
This is NOT a rant. This is intelligent commentary on a most awful yet omnipresent danger for any musician/artist of any sort.
True ... A rant is what my wife does to me when it takes me 4X longer to mow the lawn behind the garage than it actually should "If I were actually mowing the grass " behind the garage instead of firing up some grass behind the garage . Now that it's legal to recreationally "fire up the grass" behind the garage the platform she bullies me from is getting exponentially smaller and smaller as do her "RANTS" .
Free America
Any human really. Social media is a scourge of the earth.
John Mayer's last record went through the same hostage situation and got delayed several times, and now he's left Columbia Records. It is ridiculous that proven artists have to undergo these situations.
Unbelievable. How could they do that to him when he made great music for their label for 20 YEARS?
Unfortunately, cause “what have you done for me lately?” Same if you’ve ever been in a commission sales job. Alas.
It's crazy how many times this sort of thing happens.
It's ridiculous that ANY artist have to undergo this. But it is INSANE that even proven artists have to suffer the same fate!
I immediately thought of Mayer when I saw this video's title. He didn't want to do disingenuous Tiktoks and was quite pissed.
we're in the age of the independent producers. Just use these platforms yourself to promote your music. That's all a label would do anyway. Labels used to put big money behind marketing artists. The trade off was that the label would put millions of dollars into marketing and operating an artist in exchange for owning everything the artist produces. Now they put the pressure all on the artists and sit back and wait. It's an absolute bargain for the record company. This will change though. Stuff like this collapses eventually.
you're right. no one needs the labels anymore. no one needs a&r people or distributors. you can do more for yourself now, more easily, cheaply, and honestly than any label would ever do. the music industry is obsolete. all they want is the money *you* earn and the rights to all your work. so eff em. do it yourself.
“collapses eventually” … it’s been this way since the beginning and doesn’t change. if its profitable, it grows. which it is and has
@@jasonjon The internet has changed the game.
@@javiceres good point
I remember reading an interview with John Meloncamp a long time ago, when he first got signed he went to the record company offices to meet the executives, he was under the impression that it would be a lot of guys like him - young, music loving cool people, was shocked to find out it was a bunch of old guys wearing suits. I always thought that was funny.
LOL yup. I think he vented about it on his song Pop Singer.
The band is just fantastic that is really what I think
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
I met his original drummer Kenny Aronoff. Went to music school gave up a symphony job to play in that band. Really nice guy.
Frank Zappa said that the music business was better when it was run by old guys in suits who chewed cigars. The old guys didn't know about rock 'n roll, and didn't claim to. They just told the artists, "Do whatever will make money." And they did. Now the industry is run by people who think they know more than the artists.
@@NJGuy1973 dude I dunno what it’s run by. They are playing the same rock music as 20 years ago. The pop stuff my younger gf listens to is so bad she gets mad at me for telling her the truth about it lol. The kids who are 20-35 have no stage presence, no personality. So we are stuck with old farts until someone better shows up. God help us.
The industry is a massive scam. I learned the hard way. I managed to get a distribution deal through one of the majors who I will not name. They did absolutely nothing. It was incumbent upon me to do all the promotion, marketing etc and all costs incurred came directly out of my pocket. Yet I had to pay them a percentage of my sales. The only work they did was the physical distribution of the cd to retail stores. I fare much better financially as an autonomous indie without major distribution. In a lot of respects, the internet emancipated artists. That is, until Apple and Spotify (to name a few) gamed the system...
And did we tell you the name of the game boy? We call it riding the gravy train.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately: What if the music industry is killing the music industry?
I thought this when I realized that Tom Jobin's Wave and Fly me to the Moon were basically the same song. AND THAT'S FUCKING FINE. Copyright is killing the music industry. The music industry is killing itself.
@@marialuciagubolin7964 Technology And financial companies
turn everything into technology or financial plays. As a result, art, public services like transportation, hospitality, real estate and yes, music, have all been destroyed as industries in their own right in favour of the business models of tech and finance...eyeballs and assets. That's it.
@@ChrisCorrigan definitely bleeds into and takes over everything these days.
@@ChrisCorrigan Well said!
Rick, I would appreciate it if you would do an in-depth video about why an artist should want a record contract these days or why they shouldn't. What exactly does the record companies do for an artist anymore in this world of internet distribution services, social media and streaming? What's the benefit? And is it still worth it?
I'd like to see that too. Rick definitely knows a lot about labels and how they work - or don't work. Rick, you should tell the story about when you were signed to a certain label, they were dragging their feet and avoiding your band and then you met up with some of the top guys from the label at a showcase of a band you had produced.
I would also like to see that.
Amen to that. At this point, what does a contract bring to an artist?
Maybe it’s also time for someone - Rick, or any big artist who has learned the hard way - to do some public education. Some guides for “So you can make good music - now what?” Teach new musicians of today a better way. Teach them how to avoid the music business pitfalls entirely. There’s just gotta be a way…
David Byrne wrote an article a couple of years ago (i think It was on Wired) analyzing this subject, Very interesting. would love to read an update of that article today, with social media added in that analysis
In theory, to be promoted in order to reach a large audience.... In practice, maybe not.... It's gross
Your content is always interesting Rick, keep up the terrific work. Cheers from Oz.
You are a light . Your enthusiasm for many areas of music is a blessing to us wanting to be enlightened
All major artists should just go independent as soon as their record contracts leap out and build their own teams through self music distribution. It's the future and what makes sense.
Yep. At that point if the only marketing their songs require is to make TikToks, they might as well just cut the record companies out and keep all the profit.
@@hobojoe9717
If their songs need a marketing maybe they should write better songs in a first place.
@@onlyoneofhiskind 60,000 songs are uploaded to Spotify every single day; it'll be very difficult to make your song go viral organically, no matter how good it is.
@@onlyoneofhiskind I responded to this but apparently my comment was deleted 🙄 even though I basically just said what the person above me said. The music industry is very saturated due to the easier accessibility to DAWs and the variety of services/apps where people can upload their music. If you think that it’s as simple as “make good music and you will get noticed,” you are obviously completely naive/ignorant on how the music industry works.
@@MaidenOfMusic
The point is to build your fan base and develop yourself as an artist not a product.
You’re a gem Rick. It’s really cool to see an industry veteran calling the new ways artists are getting screwed so the audience can see what’s really happening. 👍
Exactly. Being a newer artist these days is frustrating. Most musicians are terrible at self promo. Labels def need to step up... This whole algorithm system is horrible and flawed, too...
Literally my favorite UA-cam channel. Every single video is so engaging and good. Keep ‘em coming Rick- I love your content !
In every industry, there's what I think of as the "parasite class." It's made up of middlemen and administrators who leach off the talent, knowledge, training, and hard work of others. They usually end up making way more money than the people actually doing the work. Music is no exception.
Where I am from they are called postal workers. Someone sent me an amp I bought on eBay via usps they reported it lost for 2 months until all of a sudden it was returned to sender. They literally are too lazy to bring a box to your door and that’s what it comes down to. Too lazy to carry it around the post office they act like you are interrupting their conversations when you go there. And they peak at your stuff like they are supposed to- which when I was a kid was a federal crime and something they did in 3rd world dictatorships. Go America. When they tour down the Berlin Wall who knew it was to replace East Germany because apparently we have modeled our leaders after theirs.
Yep, every industry. That's certainly prevalent in Silicon Valley. The parasite class is alive and well. And of course we see it in Washington - neither major party represents the People's desires.
100% agree
I can think of one industry that is made up entirely by parasites: medical insurance.
@@Darrylizer1 lol
Well, she created a viral moment now. Time to release the song.
I loved _If I Can't Have Love, I Want Power_ and I am interested in hearing what she might have in store.
@@CraigScottFrost What if all of this....was the actual PLAN. Maybe the whole thing is a effectively a false flag marketing operation orchestrated by Halsey and the label. if that's the case then it's Mission Complete.
Isn’t Halsey doing exactly what her label asked her to and aren’t we all falling for it?
Almost like it was the plan all along and the "drama" was manufactured for clicks just like that tiktok song he mentioned
I think you have it there, just like that phony slap from Will Smith on Chris Rock.
And now I think back looking at her sad face from this perspective and I feel contempt welling up...
It's a sad world... No one and I mean NO ONE has any integrity anymore.
Agreed
Wait … can Halsey’s complaining video count as her viral TikTok video? Is it creating buzz around the album?
You gotta admire the ever increasing efficiency of the A&R people, who now go straight from signing an artist to stealing their money, with nothing in between to gum up the works.
It’s very Charlie Kaufman “Adaptation”.
Exactly my thought. Can’t trust what we seen anymore.
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Love all your jazz interviews!
Always love your passion Rick... fight the good fight... keep music real
So Halsy made a TikTok that has everyone talking about her new release... Brilliantly done.
kinda part of the problem right there, isn't it?
@@HeadbangoO yes, she's trapped
Record labels are doing everything to assure their own demise. For decades they’ve unwittingly been encouraging artists to come up with ways to make them redundant. We’re almost there!
pure delusion. theyve created a highly profitable system that benefits everyone, including the artist. look at the background of halseys videos… shes rich and famous. she’s just not allowed to do whatever she wants which no artist enjoys. but thats how any money-making job goes
@@jasonjon You’ve got your opinion, and I’ve got mine.
Well said Rick, really enjoy your content! Yes, I'm subscribed! Cheers to you!
Thank you... for the *wisdom, knowledge & understanding* ... blessings to you and yours.
Her rant technically satisfy the "viral moment" criterion and definitely makes the fans want the song ASAP. I think this was a big-brain play and both she and the label are winning from it
I love it tbh, people are playing right into it because people crave controversy and being part of a protesting mob
Yes
I was thinking the same thing. It's all about controversy and likes/ views.
Working in marketing (not music) I have to be suspecting that this is just a next level promotion move. As long as it feels authentic it will work. After, this there will be more rants;)
... well yeah.. all they do is controversy marketing.. she does it all the time, this was nothing new.. I wouldn't say big brain play. It's always a complaint or a nip slip or lashing out against another artist.. all done by them.. not even the labels. Easier to promote than to focus solely on the music, don't think any 'new' artist has a balance with those nowadays.
Rick, I think you just did her job for her!
Honestly, it's sad at this point. It's been happening for ages, but it's worse than ever. I dreamed about being signed when I was younger but nowadays I would much rather take it more slowly, build my UA-cam channel and other social media pages, build a dedicated fan base and have something Mary Spender has. Her songs are completely hers, nobody has to tell her to change anything or to prove they will go viral. Heck, she build a great fan base and now her original songs sometimes do better than covers or vlogs that she does. Now that's a good way to go on about it! People can get connected to her through her videos when she's telling stories, and people who appreciate music will more likely listen to her songs knowing a bit about her personality than just listening to a random musician. Most labels are really useless nowadays.
This is the reason why Dears are happy that Dimash Qudaibergen is independent artist, he is his own boss. Nowdays he is more composing his own songs or he works only with composers he wants and I believe he even producing his latest songs. You know he works with composer Igor Krutoy, they work together without any contract. Anyway Dimash is too stubborn to be under record label, before first episode of singing competition The Singer, producers of the show offered him arrangement for SOS song, but he didn´t like it and argued with producers about it, he stood his ground and you know how it ended. He has his fan who try to promote him.
On the other hand there is band Nightwish. Mastermind behind this band is keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen which composing at least 95% of music for Nightwish. He with his wife Johanna and Troy (also from Nightwish) created side project Auri and they wrote, produced and arranged 100% of songs. Last year they released their second album and Tuomas said, that they had absolute freedom in creating music, their record label even didn´t want to hear demo, they just said to send them finished copy of the album and they will release it. They know Tuomas is music genius (we call him metal Mozart).
@@jana_d2264 Great point on Dimash and Nightwish. So are they under a label and I guess Floors solo work is all hers?
@@jana_d2264 exactly!
Same.
Mary is awesome. I love her content.
Thank you very much for all your great work, Rick!! People like you really make the Internet and the world a better place! I wish you all the best!!
We’re definitely interested in your videos Rick. Keep them coming!!!
Rick. Love the nitty gritty inside perspective you have on the music biz and REALLY appreciate you sharing it with us. I AM PROUDLY SUBSCRIBED! Keep doing what you're doing!
"Just because that's the way it's always been done, doesn't make it The Right Way to do it." Keep giving 'em hell, sir!
Thank you Rick Beato for the videos you make! I agree with you 100 percent!
I feel for you Halsey! Halsey has a friend in Rick Beato, and I loved this take on this current state of the music business and social media.
Back in the early 2000s, one of the bands I played in had some minor label interest.
The contract we initially saw was basically an R&D contract- we were to basically self-fund everything, the label got a cut, and they also got a say in our look, sound, and songwriting. It was a pretty shitty contract. We consulted a local entertainment lawyer that pretty much confirmed how shitty it was, and they recommended we not pursue any negotiations with that label.
It was an eye-opening and educational experience. We already were pretty wary of contracts and deals, as our first CD was self-recorded and funded, we had our "look" pretty well set, and we were getting a following.
Sad to see that record companies have become even cheaper, and seem to only be interested in the money, not the artists. Short-term thinking gives us what he have today on the radio airwaves...
> entertainment lawyer that pretty much confirmed how shitty it was, and they recommended we not pursue any negotiations with that label.
This is a really good point because that kind of deal tells you it would really suck working with these people, even if you could negotiate better terms. Good will goes such a long way in telling you how people and businesses operate.
Problem lies in the relationships between the radio stations or media companies and the labels. They control what does and doesn't get exposure.
Thank you for throwing punches for the artists, Rick. Your audience respects you just as highly.
You're a legend.
Love you Rick. Your videos have become a necessity for me.
Ur the king, Rick!!! Thank you for all the great stuff u bring to us
Rick..." I make shows about people and music I find interesting" YES! and THANK YOU Rick! I have learned so much about music from you. Your Rant was on target and well said.
Your enthusiasm is sometimes frightening in its intensity. :D We will never NOT watch your stuff! :D
This is why I'm in tech and not the music biz. I love songwriting and performing, but every time I dip my toes into the biz, I am reminded what a lousy place to make a living it appears to be. And that's a bummer because music gives so much joy.
Yea it's a game at this point. who can make the record label more money me or you?
Same experience here
Same here.
wish I knew that when I went go college. Would have majored in Business instead of music.
love your content Rick ... keep Rockin' it !!!
Nailed it Rick!! So glad I'm doe with those guys!
I'm reminded of the time the station manager of WKRP, Big Guy, found a record that a promoter had dropped off for Johnny Fever. Big Guy thought the package of white powder in the record sleeve was foot powder so he dusted it in his shoe to clear up a foot condition he had. His foot became numb and Johnny had to admit that it was a cocaine bribe intended to get him to play the record. Big Guy sat down and lifted his numb foot up with both hands and started banging it on the desk shouting "I've got a monkey on my foot."
Promoting records is different and cheaper now.
This is very sad, but at the same time, I'm happy that big people from the industry started to talk about this issue
@@ryangunwitch-black Hmmm, I don't know if it is that simple, but I'm not an expert to tell the solution
Have they really started talking or are they manufacturing MORE excuses to not releasing records.
Halsey isn't big, that's why she's talking out. Day by day she has less to lose and more to gain through pulling something like this.
@@ryangunwitch-black If that's where the audience is, that's where the money is. Use your head.
@@sozeytozey Idk, 1 billion streams seems kinda big to me. But I do agree with your point
Another great rant Rick, many of us are interested in your videos and appreciate what you believe in and have the same convictions. Truly hope that your message gets out and that we as a public can find better vehicles for our art.
I've watched you for a while Rick but you definitely earned my subscription with this video today
Anyone else suspect this is a marketing stunt? Trust no one... trust no two for that matter.
That is what record labels do. They sell music as if it was a product. It doesn't matter how bad the music is, they'll make it a hit because they have the power to do it and people will listen to that because they don't decide what music they like, the record labels decide for them. They just mindlessly listen to whatever you play for them on the radio.
I seriously doubt she has sold 160 million records,
Congrats on 3 mil! 🎉
Hey man. I friggin live you’re content and I am constantly spreading the good word of Beato. Love ya Brotha.
Reminds me of bars/venues requiring bands to buy a certain number of tickets that they could sell in order to book the place... as Rick is saying, this stuff has been going on for a long time!
This is sad for me, I want to make it with me and my band, but the game is always changing and I can't predict ways to get around it. Great video, very informational.
@@profvonshredder2563 At the cost of my dignity... it might work 😂
Thank you for this knowledge!
Love your Rants Rick and your content! ; )
This rings true with me. I've recently completed my debut solo album, a Dream fulfilled. I hired an A&R company for promotion and marketing, a 10 week campaign, but I've found them to be seemingly businesslike, unimaginative and lacking any real passion, even though they approached me. I do what marketing I can through social media. However, I'm happy just to be creating, and whatever will be will be, at least I have a legacy now. Keep up the fantastic work, I'm building to buying your books, so I actually understand what I write by ear 😂😂
Cheers
Harro 😁🤘
Love what you do Rick. So eye opening. I’m neck deep in indie rock obscurity
you are the best Rick, love your channel
Long time subscriber her. Much respect for you Rick Beato. Thank you for all you do. Happy Father’s Day.
Thank you Rick for your rich and worthful content!
Whenever Rick tells these disillusioning stories from the music business, I can't help but think of Zappa's thousands of anecdotes about the business. What a shame that Rick doesn't seem to be allowed to discuss Zappa so broadly.
It seems Zappa's kids have gotten very litigious, they even went after Dwezil.
@@pauldi7268 Seriously? Dweezil? The one who upholds his father's legacy and memory like no other? Has it gotten that ridiculous by now? I've always wanted to say that: Frank would turn over in his grave.
@@GaryBaldy it’s not Dweezil, it’s the other siblings… they actually even attempted to sue dweezil and stop him from performing his dads music.
@@guyute6386 yes yes, I had already understood that from Paul's comment. Dweezil being sued by his own siblings for not being allowed to use his own name anymore is just so absurd....
Hi Ric, I am completely on board- what is interesting to you is totally interesting to me because you are a Music Educator that has no Bounds to what is important to share. BTW- I love the John Dowland and Bach videos and Jazz is so important, if a person can't appreciate Jazz then they lack a understanding of the history of the last century of very important music! Please keep them all coming
Keep the Jazz videos coming, some of us love them!
Thank you for shedding light on the shady business of the music industry.
The Dutch rock band Vandenberg got a deal to tour in the US in the 80s and they got paid very well. The catch was that they had to pay for everything during the tour and in essence they did not make one dime. The record label OTOH...
Great channel ! Keep up the good work.
You are great Rick. Your content is amazing
I had the pleasure of meeting Carly Simon a while back when I worked at Nobody Beats the Wiz in NYC, only because she came in asking us permission to put up some posters and a stand marketing her album because her manager and the record company refused to do so. This is not a new problem for the artist.
Thank you so much for addressing this Rick. Labels over the years have always taken a mile when given an inch (in this instance Tiktok & it’s algorithm). Their musicians are already overworked as it is (many underpaid too) and now they’re expected to put out viral content on top of all of this too? It’s just pure exploitation - and there needs to be regulation on the matter. Label contracts are one of the only ways to get consistent income from making music and it’s really sad.. so there’s literally no other options for musicians than this 😔
Thank you Rick for imparting this knowledge and your take
Just one more reason I love this channel!! Such a great commentary
"You know so much of the music we here today is preprogrammed electronic disco. You never get a chance to hear master bluesmen practicing their craft anymore. By the year 2006 the music known today as the blues will exist only in the classical records department in your local public library."
Holds true today.
I worked for a Record Promoter in the 80s. (His name was Peter Svendsen). Here's how that worked; Artist records a song. Artist pays Promoter to promote the song and call all of the top radio stations in the genre of the song (it was country for our Promotor). My job was to call every single radio station, every single week, and talk to their Traffic Managers to try to get them to put the song into rotation. Once it got into rotation at said radio stations, it would start to move up each station's playlist week by week. These playlists were picked up by Billboard's Top 100 charts. As they moved up the individual radio stations lists, it would move up the Billboard Charts until hopefully we could get it to #1. It was a LOT of work every week for sometimes months on end. Things sure have changed.
Now this, this is an actually professional work. Tiring perhaps, but still better to me
This was a great video thank you for putting it out and thank you for all the jazz that you put out too I appreciate it and I'm sure a lot of people do as you know once again thank you Rick
Hello Rick ! I've been watching your videos since a long time now (Writing for string video in 2016) . Just wanna say thank you for the quality of your interventions and your kindness. You represent for me what makes the Internet interesting: making the knowledge and critical view of a passionate expert accessible to everyone. See you around or in a studio dear master !
Goddamn it, this is so on point. We’re a young rock band from LA, and it would be comical if it wasn’t so accurate…the (mainstream) music business has become the furthest thing from fostering and promoting genuinely interesting / good music. Major record labels are a joke - we’re never going to see the next Beatles or Nirvana, bc labels right now will NEVER touch artists that refuse to conform artistically and just be who they are and do what they do!
Lava records signed a 5 album deal with a band a few years back with the contract giving artistic and wardrobe control fully to the band. Plus allowing the band to continue to run their Patreon site. The band writes all their own lyrics, writes all their own songs, plays all their own instruments, storyboards all their music videos, release independent music videos on top of the official label ones, pick their own clothing, picked their album producer. Evidence of a good music deal from a US label in modern times. The band is The Warning from Mexico and they play The Troubadour in LA tonight.
@@MrIATaylor They did the same thing with Greta Van Fleet!! There's nothing more inspiring than seeing a band do their own thing
I believe we will still see game changing artists in future. The onus of responsibility for artist development has shifted to forward-thinking producers.
@@TempleGuitars I agree that’s it’s also the responsibility of unsigned / indie artists in positions not unlike my own haha, to challenge themselves to delve deep and really hone their craft artistically, and put out great tunes. It’s only frustrating as a smaller artist when it feels there’s no room for the OPPORTUNITY to share that on a bigger scale. Of course, music is subjective, but I can name a bunch of bands off the top of my head that are truly amazing imo, and have such a little platform bc it’s not “sellable” by today’s very narrow / trend-based standards. Standards which are primarily based more on social media analytics, rather than any sort of musical quality
@@AnalogParty I wish you the best of luck. Trends change, we can all bank on that. If you truly release quality music, your time will come.
I have honestly never heard of her.
Me neither, if the story is real and everyone including Rick isnt in on making this viral then i really sympathize with her, wont be checking her music out regardless though.
You are awesome thank you for all you do Rick!
Awesome rant, worthy of devoting a video to. And very informative, Rick's insights into music producing and publishing paint a sad picture of the state of 'pop' music these days.
Everyone watching this video should like it immediately, that way it can be recommended to even more people. I really hope that someday people will listen Rick or anyone else that is telling the truth and having the courage to criticise the terrible suituation that has been going on for the past years because of the explosion of the media
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Yes labels are lazy. You’ve given me another great idea on how to throw off the record label chains. As always YOU ROCK!!!
@rick, your “I make videos” part is what I digged. I watch your channel, Rhett’s, and others and deliberately do not subscribe simply out of principle of the YT algs and privacy of data … however, I will subscribe to your channel, and hit the bell, tonight. You moved me sir! Keep up the amazing work.
Ha! There’s no bell anymore 🤷♂️ Well, that’s how long I have been not paying attention to those calls on YT. You now have a new sub to your channel - great videos and I’ve been watching you for about two years now. Thank you. I’ve learned a great deal.
Rick you are an excellent teacher, scholar and gifted musician. You are a gift! Thank you!
I'm screaming this since years but musicians keep signing with shady labels. You said there is nothing she can do about it, well there is: don't sign with majors. Nowadays you can put your music out there with an internet connection without the need of pleasing whoever bureaucrat at the top of a marketing team. Possibilities are endless, impossible 30 years ago when disgusting things like 360 deals were a thing and signing was the only way to distribute, when the industry was just an ugly oligopoly. We still live the best time to be musicians but it is time to shake artists so they retake the ownership of their music, as it always should have been.
Yeah, put it out there and no one will ever listen to it... That's why people sign those deals they know are shitty
Artists like this need a record company to hire 10 writers and 3 ghost singers.
@@MisterMunkki it reaaaaaaally depends. You have Tame Impala, Billie Eillish or a lot of other examples of people who have great audience, contacts with famous industry people, and so on, but still maintain their catalogue and major decisions on their hands. That's the best natural way to work, major record labels tend more and more to be lazy bloodsuckers
The major labels give these people the major bucks.
Not
The way the music industry is with success today feels like the way the world is with money and everything else nowadays. You can't have it unless you prove you deserve it by having it already.
Happy. To. Be. A Subscriber!!!!! You ROCK, Rick!!!
Fantastic as always Rick!!
I think the record companies (like a lot of things) will be obsolete in the near future. I do wonder what will happen to the classics that they own as I believe artists will opt for "ethically sourced" music in the future+ for example the new top companies won't license classic music anymore in which case I wonder what will happen to it. Then again if a partner company is the one that owns the music then I'm sure it will find it's way in. Maybe I'm just hopeful the consumer will eventually become educated and make more ethical (truly ethical- not a product tagline) decisions. Then again advertising is quite powerful. Great rant!
Thank you Rick, love your passion. You forgot to mention the artists had to pay back every penny the label put into them on top of everything else. Keep up the great content.
Take a look at some of the music that's coming out around the world and compare/contrast to the tripe that comes out of Nashville and LA nowadays. That'd be an interesting video. :D
your videos are always interesting. 💯
I appreciate what you do Rick. I feel like you do a service for younger people like me.
And we have tremendous respect for you RB. Keep making a difference.
I expect this antiquated "record label" bubble will burst at some point. It feels like we're reaching a critical mass with social media and music in general, and sooner or later everything is going to be turned on its head like music was in the 1990s when grunge took over but perhaps even in a more significant way. I totally could be wrong, but it REALLY does feel like that to me.
All it takes in one artist making it big without ever signing a record deal to bring it all down.
Keep it up, Rick, this was informative about the music industry bullshit. I love all your videos, yes some more than others but it is your passionate take on things that is so compelling for a fellow music lovers like me. You are my new crush!
Love you and your insights Rick. Always illuminating!