2016-04-23 Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK: discussion with Michael James
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2016
- At the first session of a two-day retreat organised by the ‘Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK’ on 23rd April 2016, Michael James discusses the teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana and answers questions on various aspects of them, particularly the practice of self-investigation (ātma-vicāra).
An MP3 audio copy of this video can be listened to or downloaded from mediafire.com/listen/blpmuilfd...
This video displays the clear fact that Bhagavan's grace is flowing through Michael's form! Bless you Michael and company for providing such enlightening discussions.
What a humongous fortune for us to be able to receive the blessings of Bhagwan among thousands of gurus and philosophies...!
Last but not least Michael's great sincerity and love for Bhagavan and the uniqueness of the teachings.
Mr.Michael ,this is the first time I'm hearing you and it's a blessing. People like David Godman and you are like lighthouses for ships(seekers on the path) caught in the storm of samsara. 🙏
Just 10 minutes into the talk and I am beginning to feel peace. Thanks for the connects with Bhagwan and his teachings.
Thank you Michael. Your clarity is a great blessing.
Dear Michael......first time I viewed this I realised that this was special and needing an immediate 'bookmarking'. Second & third viewing had me realising that Bhagawan was unquestioningly all I will ever need for guidance (truth is, long thought so but was lately a tad mixed up). Latest view has me now fully realising what a truly marvelous job YOU'VE done here in conveying Bhagawan's teachings. Great job, bro.
I love to hear Ramana's teachings from you Michael. The audio is so much clearer than earlier recordings. Much gratitude.
David E Has has always up
Michael's contemplations are always brilliant! Thanks a lot!
Thank you Michael, lucid and clear teaching of Bhagavan
Best, to the Point teachings of an enlightened being I have ever come upon. Thank you Michael. This recording, should be listened to replaying continuously, in a quiet solitude, without any physical movement in a totally dark place (or simply using a sleep-eye-mask) and turning within to our own source, that we are. Keep listening and turning in, Pure Bliss is awaiting. Food in stomach feels heavy. Acids & feces inside intestines are the main cause of Ego-thoughts. For clear, calm mind, substantially decrease diet, and perform good double-enema (use 2L twice in a row to flush out intestines) each morning right after getting up. Of course SKIP any breakfast or lunch, otherwise you are back to serious thought creation. With no digestion and minimal acidic feces in intestines our Mind calms down, and we can better focus our attention & much easier turn inwardly. While continuously listening with eye-mask on, the voice of Michael will start to fade into background, while constantly turning within. Keep on focusing within.... . (To focus means to let go of all other). 🙏🙏🙏
An heart opener.
Thanks a ton.The audio is much more clearer than the one in previous clips.
much love n gratitude
What a great set of people..
So nice to listen to their experiences.
I am a tamil living in tamil nadu.
Except for getting peace of mind and feel some bliss while visting
Ashram at tvnmalai
I am not fortunate to understand any of these concepts nor had any great experience.
You are all great athmaas.
Dear friend - although the Holiest place is in the Heart of One and All , still you are blessed to live in that Holy Place . You need no t understand all these haughty concepts - they are just medicine for the over- complicated mind . Jesus said " Blessed are the Pure in Heart as they will see God " , so you only have to develop a Pure Mind and a Loving Heart to See and Be That which you seek 🙏🕉️
Thank you. Om namo bhagavathe Sri Ramanaye
Thank you Michael! I’m devotee of Ramana from Russia. After reading your book (kindle edition) I finally understand how to practice self investigation!!! Thank you!!!
Thanks Alex. I'm going to get it for myself
Sweet man!
Dear Michael Sir, you cleared my biggest doubt ...Even tons of THANX will not be sufficient to express my gratefulness towards you ...But still, my thousands of PRANAMS to you !!!🙏🙏🙏
Om Ramanaye Namah !!!🕉️🕉️🕉️♥️
Ramana showed us among other things, that REAL beauty lies within. One only has to gaze at his face to see the rock-like reality that lies within all men and women and indeed all beings. .x.
Michael, you shattered my world. So, this is a dream huh?
I've been grinning ear to ear since I had that realization. I'm beginning to see how I am you and you are me. Thank you.
wonderful!
Michael you have helped me so much
Thank you, thank you, for making this available! So much is clarified.
I am very happy and gratitude for this video.Thanke you Michael.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much for these videos. Bhagavan appeared in my dream twice a few months ago, and that is what shook me and initiated my delving into his works such as "Naan Yaar." At one point I had a deep existential crisis where I kept asking myself "Why do I want to exist?" if happiness is in the source of nonexistence. And yet, even after knowing that this is all a dream, my ego is still traumatized by this fact 2 months later, due to all of its desires and attachments. It's still like a shock to me- it may take more time for this to fully sink in, having lived over 30 years (and many lifetimes) convinced by the dream.
Thank you for sharing. I was thinking what a thrilling experience it would be if Bhagavan appeared in my dream. And in a way he has appeared in my dream, this so-called waking state. In the form of his teachings and in the form of Michael's blog and videos, and of course in the form of the holy hill Arunachala. So Bhagavan's grace is ever-present and always available, and it's just my foolishness that I don't immediately try to turn fully within and surrender to him.
Rajat very true, yes he has appeared in this dream also for us! As Michael has mentioned, it is those critical patients that need the best doctor!
Most of us are dreaming while awake because we are so out of touch with reality.
Divine plan, yes, thank you dear Michael James
Dear Michael, seeing your overflowing joy while explaining Bhagavan's teachings brings so much joy to us. If this is not one of the many avenues of Bhagavan's grace then what is?
Thank you.
so grateful to Michael James!
This is the best on Advaita!!!
Great. Thank you.
Such immense knowledge...
Great discussion of Bhagwan's direct teachings
Awesome knowledge of Ramana’s teachings and very uplifting
talks- I follow closely Michael’s talks for the same reason he says he feels
the urge to deliver them, i.e. they are a constant reminder of the
reality/truth. On top of this Michael is more credible than other talk
deliverers who call themselves teachers, mainly through his unpretentious appearance,
and modesty, claiming he’s one of ‘us’… However, there is one area where Michael
seems to be inconsistent in his approach- on one hand he’s emphasizing the need
to perseverance in abiding in the truth of our real nature and on the other he
keeps talking about our moral and ethical obligations towards others and
animals due to experiencing reality in the body. As such we need to take
compassionate action [feed the hungry but not with meat...]. From my
perspective by abiding in the Self these kind of issues won’t appear as in an
egoless state there are no separate others or a world. I doesn’t need to be intently
compassionate, compassion will happen by itself without the intervention of any
body or thing. I am with Allen on this one: this is a paradox- in the I where
there is no wrong to make right and such no need to intervene to change ‘the
dream’ and yet compassion happens. In the egoless state there is no poverty,
hunger, suffering… and yet the body will do what it needs to be done in terms of
behaving compassionately.
You may not agree with my views on this subject, but you may at least be interested to read and consider what I wrote in 'Why are compassion and ahiṁsā necessary in a dream?': happinessofbeing.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/why-are-compassion-and-ahimsa-necessary.html
Sri Ramana Teachings
thank you for the link to your blog, Michael. i will respond there.
must have missed that.. didn't notice these 'obligations' that you are referring to.
he emphasized in discovering 'what is the I' and suggested to let the rest take care of itself
thank you
Michael James : Respect!
Abide in self heart ! Always give Attention to self( awareness) ! No attention given to thoughts , feelings ! Shri ramana says 🙏 nothing is truth! World is dream!
Why is it no one seems to be getting it. I am awake in this yet I can not seem to wake up in others
Thank you! Where could I get a picture of Ramana Maharshi like the one in this video? Many thanks !
Many thanks for sharing this
Dear Michael, I studied Advaita for sometime and became really depressed, I found the more I went inwards and away from the world, rather than aquiring peace, I experienced a mental health crisis. I had to give up the practice. Why did this happen? I was gradually losing interest in the world and the things that interested me, butcall that was left was a meaningless void, and the feeling that the world is unreal spiked my anxiety. Why would I find Advaita if it were to have this effect on me?
namaste! Thank you Sir Michael James. Subtitles are not available on this occasion. I have seen almost all the videos of the community several times, but sometimes it is cumbersome without the English subtitles, even if it is, to be able to follow it better. Thank you very much and Namasté!
HE IS SO CLEAR IN EXPLAINING RAMANAS PHILOSOPHY.
AS WE ARE ALL ON THE SPIRITUAL PATH, I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO READ " EVERYTHING IS NOTHING " BY SHREE RANJIT MAHARAJ. IT CAN BE DOWNLOADED ON GOOGLE PDF.
IT IS JUST 14 PAGES. THANK YOU👍💞😇🤝
Hey. Do you have a link to the pdf? The ones I have found online are like 300 pages
PLEASE TYPE- EVERYTHING IS NOTHING BY RANJIT MAHARAJ ON GOOGLE. YOU WILL GET IT
Perfect🙏
All your videos narratives about Ramana Maharishi is wonderful .....
If you want to see him now he is still available in Chennai ...
He is the next reincarnation
Take a chance to meet the guru
To know what is " who am I...." Quest is not full filled...
To see the doer... Doer refugees into god state... Is self enquiry of who am I
In the process of self enquiry of who am I... Doer refugees into God state is witnessed is called "transcend within"... completion
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Dommage que les vidéos de Michael James ne sont pas traduits en français.
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Since his use of the term "sleep" includes dreaming, deep sleep is a more appropriate term.
If we know the difference between awareness as the non-experiencing 'witness', which is our IMMEDIATE being and the apparent world which includes everything from the body you think you are to the vast universe, then we can discriminate using our God-given intellect, knowing I=awareness am real and this world is only apparently real and so in this way I dismiss the world and take a stand in awareness as awareness. This practice is one technique in Vedantin self-inquiry. Another is opposite thought...Whenever a desire or fear comes up from the causal body, [desire and fear are just proxies for the ignorance "I am small, inadequate and limited"] one should contemplate the purifying thought I am whole and complete, actionless, non-dual, aware conscious existence. Actually self inquiry needs to be taught to you by a qualified teacher who is establised in the self as the self, as if you "go it alone" your own ignorance is very likely to color the practice and you won't reap the fruit that translates into 'your' life as real freedom and peace. shiningworld.com..
Good Speech
Hi Michael, is it possible that we are living the same life/dream over and over again? That Prarabdha karma (predetermined life events) and Deja-vu (feeling that I've seen this scene before) are related? If this is the case, then I find myself reacting to the same events in the same way lifetime after lifetime, until I can break that cycle in wisdom that it's just a dream and say "I don't mind what happens..." because I'm not going to get caught up in this dream anymore and remain in the true self..
That at least would be advisable.....😉😂👍
I'm not sure if you look at the comments Micheal. However I was wondering when you are doing the discussions can any one come along or do you need to be signed up.
If your would like to join these meetings of the ‘Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK’, you can ask to have your name added to the list of people to whom they will send the joining instructions each month by writing to enquiries@ramana-maharshi.org.uk, as explained on their website: ramana-maharshi.org.uk
I've tried this for many years but without success. I have neer experienced the divine.
keep trying. Do not just ask the question "Who am I". Hold to the "I" thought (sense).
As Bhagavan said, the mind is very gross and blunt at first. It requires persistent practice to become sharp and subtle. In that very subtle state of mind, it can penetrate deep within when the inquiry is done. Otherwise, inquiry done at a gross level is just as distracted as the wandering mind. Then it determines that “this doesn’t work” and gives up. Those who have persisted in this for many lifetimes (like Bhagavan) have appeared to have succeeded quickly and easily- but it takes a lot of persistence to first sharpen the mind.
What are the 3 works of Bhagavan that Michael is talking about?
May share my understanding: One takes birth, grow up, create multiple relationships in this +36000 days of short worldly journey with focus on self - ego - i and then die: a short drama of troubles, turmoil and sorrow and happiness! Start the next journey based on experiences, tendencies in one of the many creatures in this universe!
Maharamna Rishi’s research and investigation teach us to focus on ‘I/Self/Atman/God’ which you are and live this +36000 days worldly journey with heavenly experiences, and one’s internal and external responses should be based on your focus to your true Self to releave oneself from the cycles of birth and death since you are abiding in your permanent Home/Self!
I thought sleep can have an awakening experience if you have order in life through the day I myself have woken up around 3am with a burning sensation through being aware ofthe seed of fear during sleep well at least that's what it felt like
A jnani knows there is no ego
The challenge is how to perform worldly tasks and being aware at the same time. To perform worldly tasks we need thought which is manifestation of ego.
Please consider the note that Bhagavan wrote for this mother in December 1898 (happinessofbeing.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/why-should-we-rely-on-bhagavan-to-carry.html#dec98note), in which he explains that our mind, speech and body will be made to do whatever they are destined to do, that nothing will happen unless it is destined to happen, and that whatever is destined to happen will certainly happen, so we can surrender all thoughts about worldly tasks, since they will be done even if we devote all our attention only to our fundamental self-awareness, 'I am'.
Attending only to ourself and thereby giving no room to the rising of any thoughts about anything else is the correct practice not only of self-investigation (ātma-vicāra) but also self-surrender, as explained by Bhagavan in the first sententence of the thirteenth paragraph of Nāṉ Yār? (happinessofbeing.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/why-should-we-rely-on-bhagavan-to-carry.html#ny13):
ஆன்மசிந்தனையைத் தவிர வேறு சிந்தனை கிளம்புவதற்குச் சற்று மிடங்கொடாமல் ஆத்மநிஷ்டாபரனா யிருப்பதே தன்னை ஈசனுக் களிப்பதாம்.
āṉma-cintaṉaiyai-t tavira vēṟu cintaṉai kiḷambuvadaṟku-c caṯṟum iḍam-koḍāmal ātma-niṣṭhā-paraṉ-āy iruppadē taṉṉai īśaṉukku aḷippadām.
English translation: Being ātma-niṣṭhāparaṉ [one who is steadily fixed in oneself], giving not even the slightest room to the rising of any cintana [thought] other than ātma-cintana [thought of oneself], alone is giving oneself to God.
Samsara is Nirvana, Nirvana is samsara. There is nothing you can or need to do about it. You are it whatever the experience is. 😘
Suggestion for future tapes: have a second microphone for the audience
Yes, please do.
Thank you so much. Please keep the Camera still ;) Else it disturbs Michaels words of wisdom too much
Circular reasoning? Who is it that is awake and who is it that is dreaming? Who is it that transcends those personal states?
The ego creates these complications, or seeming paradoxes, with attachment to logic. Don't try so hard to understand. Don't even try to experience. Just be.
What is purna (contrasting with shunya)? You mentioned that Shunya is emptiness but Bhagavan said the ultimate is not emptiness, it is purna.
Bubba, pūrṇa means what is full, whole, complete, entire or all (see www.sanskritdictionary.com/?iencoding=iast&q=pūrṇa ), whereas śūnya means what is empty, void, non-existent or zero (see www.sanskritdictionary.com/?iencoding=iast&q=śūnya ).
Our real nature, which is pure awareness, is pūrṇa, because it is all that actually exists, so it is the infinite fullness of existence, awareness and happiness (sat-cit-ānanda), and it is śūnya only in the sense that it is completely devoid of ego (subject) and phenomena (objects), which are non-existent, because though they seem to exist in the view of ourself as ego, they do not actually exist.
Haha, the woman who goes into the elongated discussion somewhere at around the 01.05.00 goes I'm sorry my mind, I'm sorry my mind when trying to remembering something but can't. Freudian slip ;).
Why would 10 people dislike this video?
Because the speaker is frenetic. Bhagavan, his life and teaching, radiated peace. He used few words, and his preferred method was silence. Frankly, it is difficult to see how this man's enthusiasm can be sincere, since he has worked himself into a loquacious frenzy, infatuated with concepts and a cult of personality. The commenters mostly seem dazzled by his passion and verbiage, but, I suspect, these are the pitfalls; not the path.
Ramana himself asserted that the contents of the book "Talks" were not entirely accurate.
Nothing one can say can ever be entirely accurate. Actually it's all Maya, all play and distraction. Therefore bagavans must direct teaching was transmitted in silence. 😘
Surprised by the question if Bhagavan signed a 'will' - how does this matter and why should any devotee be concerned with this?
A distracted outgoing mind is more interested in other things like creating drama rather than going inward and knowing itself
Might be advisable to give a Mic to the audience....so much of the exchange is lost when they are out of range
A friend has volunteered to make subtitles for all these videos, so when that is completed it will hopefully compensate for this issue
Great
Thank you.......great lectures
That is really a great idea. Appreciate your work. Bhagavan' s blessings
Michael speaks too fast for my poor English comprehension ,but the more I hear him the more is my respect for him
I don't feel the dream state to be 5 senses operating, and it's because of that we conjecture the waking state is real since it makes the dream state pale by comparison. We have no experience of a state with more than 5 senses and for this reason we consider the waking state to be reality.
You also don't feel the five senses operating in the waking state. What you feel is that you are experiencing a world that is made out of matter and many different objects. If you would experience seeing, hearing, touching ect. taking place in form of a sort of a projection onto the screen of your mind, you would realise that the center you're are so used to think of as "I" went somehow missing. 😘
should we give up thinking entirely?
What we need to give up entirely is the thinker. We give up thinking entirely whenever we fall asleep, but thinking returns because we have not eradicated the ego, the ‘I’ who thinks. The ego is the erroneous self-awareness ‘I am this body’, in which ‘this body’ refers to whatever body we currently experience as ourself, whether in this state or in any other dream, so we can eradicate it only by being aware of ourself as we actually are.
Therefore rather than being concerned about thoughts, we should be concerned about ourself, the thinker: who am I? That is, we need to investigate ourself by being so keenly self-attentive that we experience pure self-awareness, which is what we actually are.
Philosophy, Sartre in particular, would deny that there is anything such as intransitive awareness. Awareness must be of something, or what is it awareness of? As soon as you are aware of even just being aware, now awareness is the object, and you are observing awareness. I do not think we are aware of our sleep. I think we infer it. We can recall our dreams, and we might say we did not dream all night, so there must have been a period of sleep, but that does not mean we were aware of our awareness. Also, the fact that we are not aware of the world while asleep is particularly unconvincing when it is argued that therefore the objective world arises when our ego arises. That is far too solipsistic for my tastes. We blink and the sun disappears, for us. No one believes the sun disappears; similarly, we sleep and the world does not disappear. Where is the evidence one can see pure awareness, or failing that, that awareness of nothing exists. And so what if we can have pure awareness of nothing at all; what does that prove, exactly?
Words are such a distraction. Who is the self that experiences, or what is that personal self? Simplification?
" I am ".
freud showed in the interpretation of dreams that the dream is a condensed amalgam of symbols, usually of a linguistic form, a clear difference with the reality of the waking state
yes but you could say that the false authority we place on so many of our waking actions - accepting guilt and praise for things largely outside of our voluntary control - is just like the false authority we adopt in dreams - forgetting we were dreaming.
Well, maybe that's what he said, but what we should not forget to mention is that Freud today is largely considered as outdated. So where does this leave us in regards of this dream debate?😘
These philosophers were just studying the dream universe projected by the ego. It is of no use to those aiming to eradicate the ego
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Please attend to one’s beard. 😃❤️
subtitles in spanish please
I dont believe real intuiton is ever wrong.
It is how you interpred it. Maybe he believe it is intuiton when it was'nt. The senses do tell you the truth Intuition does.
It's my belief Brahma is worshipped by the Jews. I believe they began this after leaving Persia. They wanted to create a new place to live, that was theirs alone.
Lolol
I love listening to Michael. However I feel he is very attached to the external person of Ramana Maharshi. I will have to disagree with him that Nisargadatta Maharaj's teachings are any different from Bhagwan. They are indeed the same. Just like Bhagwan has been heard saying / advising things like japa, saatvik diet and other rituals to people who were not ready to take on self enquiry, similarly, Maharaj who would usually always focus on I AM have had occasions where he told people what they were ready for. Infact Nisargadatta Maharaj was more insistent on the issue of I AM than anything else even more than Bhagwan since the personal attribute of Bhagwan was more agreeable and soft while Maharaj was more aggressive. But they both pointed to the ultimate truth and when talking about truth there can be no difference regardless of who expresses it and how it is expressed. To me all the teachings are the same whether it comes from Bhagwan or Maharaj or Kabir or Bulleh Shah or Rumi. .. they all pointed to the ultimate truth.
Bhagwan on meditation ua-cam.com/video/8ZcF9sTIjfg/v-deo.html
The creator exist.
Only BCS y dont See him doesnt mean That He ist Not.
You are Not your own Creatio
more questions, less monologue 👎👍
The logic of this is so weak It’s almost incomprehensible
Thank you.