Hi Drew, very good content, indeed! Could you make another video talking about how to make Talkbacks betwenn these 3 mixers? Or a text here, whatever is easier for you. Thank you
I'm gonna throw out my interest in this as well! I have two consoles, not three, but would LOVE to be able to talkback to the stage (or even FoH console) from the broadcast console that is in a remote room!
Dear Drew Braschler, thank you for the educational content.You have helped me a lot to learn more about the equipment.question! You can make a video on how to connect two or more mixers on Foh, route channels and how to make it easier!I apologize for my English) Thank you in advance!
Can you make a video of how to use an x32 rack that’s connected with a s16 to and x32/m32 full size at front of house. And how to return the master buses to stage onto the x32 rack?
Hi Drew, we are using the X32 rack + S32 for rehearsing and gigs. Now we just set up the whole thing with backing tracks in Mainstage and in ears for all band members. From April on we're gonna do some live sessions / mini festivals with other bands at some different venues. The question is if we can bring our own rig and send all the outputs to FOH, even if they don't use Behringer but another digital console, like for example Allen & Heath, PreSonus or Soundcraft. Just so we can have our own in ear mix and backing track settings as we are used to and don't have to start from scratch each gig. Thank you for the great tutorial videos. You helped a lot :)
You'll probably want a splitter snake so you can have all your inputs to your monitor rig and provide each channel to FOH. You can either get an analog splitter snake (Seismic has a bunch of rack mount options) or a couple rack units like the ART S8. With these you can even omit tracks (like click) that aren't necessary for FOH
Love your channel. Question for I own an x32c I want to make that my FOH mixer but want to control my x32 rack and dl16 from the FOH mixer. I run IEMs on aux1-8 now. But for some reason I’m having a problem with the outputs 9 through 16. I can’t seem to figure out the routing. Do you already have a video for this?
Nice video, thanks a lot. I have a question: I'm looking for the best way how to use waves plugins running on SuperRack native or SoundGrid server. Could you please test several cases: 1. Waves card connected to X32 and run SuperRack native and Soundgrid server. 2. Dante card and SuperRack native via virtual sound card and dante PCI card and dante RME card. 3. Connect X32 via AES50 to DN9630 or Lynx AES16e-50 card. I'm looking for routing and round trip latency in all cases. Thank you a lot for the info.
Great video Drew. Our church in Puerto Rico, Casa del Padre, uses an X-32 for FOH, an S32 on stage, 6 P-16 for band members , 2 wedges for our vocalist team and a Midas DP-48 for our broadcast mix. On regards to the broascast mix, i was going to get an X-32 rack but my sales rep suggested the DP-48 (less expensive and more channels) and we are getting a very decent sound with it. Can you please give me your opinion on the broadcast mix gear decision?
Hi Drew, I have a question, that I hope you can answer. I have an X32 Compact for FOH, and an M32R for monitors then an S32 and SD16 rack units. I would like to use all 16 outputs from the S32 for in ears (large group doing stereo in ears). Then I would like to use some of the outputs from the SD16 for my main speakers (and possibly a couple monitors for the choir director etc). Watching your video I was able to get my units sharing inputs, but I'm confused on how to route my main outs to the SD16. The switch on the SD16 is set to 17-24. Currently I'm running the cables like: X32(FOH A) to S32(A) - S32B to SD16A - SD16B to M32A. I see all devices connected in the X32. Just don't know how to make the main outputs from the X32 go to the SD16.
I've noted your comments on screened data cables, but it worries me. One of the real advantages of the cat5 or above was that the grounds of the connected equipment are NOT bonded together. As an example, with bigger venues, the ground potential between stage and front of house grounds, in things like theatres, can be a few volts - so old analogue systems hummed when the grounds were connected and worse, potential fault currents could use the common ground in some circumstances. With digital, this went away - but I'm not comfy with re-introducing a common ground system, with all the issues it can/could cause. Maybe a screened cable grounded at the stage end, but floating at the front of house end would be fine - for the screening, but no actual current carrying path? It sounds a backwards step to me, and so far with 50m runs, I've never done it or had an issue - but I didn't know grounding via the data cable was a recommendation? Hmmmmmmm
When I connected an S16 to an X32 Rack using an un-shielded cable it did cause big problems like loss of sync that were resolved when I used a shielded one, so I'm sure Drew is right on this one, but I take your point on the potential between 2 distant locations being a possible issue.
@@Weirdbloke1 very strange - I've got some tough data cable on reels plus a number of oridinary cat 6 unscreened and never had any issues linking my two X32s and an M32. It never even occurred to me there was a problem till I read these topics - now I'm thinking?
The shielded cable is the manufacture spec. Its to help prevent static build up in the cable and RF rejection. Also only cat5e stp should be used. AES 50 was designed for that. Its not a IP signal where higher grad category cable makes a difference
I just checked the X32 schematics. The shield of the RJ45 connectors is directly connected to digital ground. I thought they might be capacitively or otherwise coupled to avoid the commoning of the grounds between interconnected consoles, but I didn't see that.
I would like to have an FOH then run a Ethercon to the stage and connect to a Stage box, and Hub 4. Currently I have x32 A-AES going to Stage box for drum split and local inputs on x32 used for additional inputs at stage right. I have another SD16 so I would like to have x32 out front (no ipad) and one Ethercon coming from FOH position to stage box SD16 and SD8 (at drum location) and Hub 4 on AES B I have another x32 that can be utilized if needed. I can't find much info on Hub 4 but we are running 3 DP48 with POE power to stage positions.
I have two questions. Can I plug the instruments into the stage box directly without using the Direct box? the second question is that possible to connect xr18 to the wing? Thanks
This video was great but it stopped me from one thing. I used this video to help setup a monitor and FOH setup. I figured out how to get the x32 rack to send sound, but no matter how I set the routing up it will not allow the second console to send sound out. All meters work but no sound comes out of the second console. Any advice on how to get both units to send sound out of the s32 outputs?
You would need to route the audio from that second console to the first console via AES50, and then use the first console to route the audio to the S32. You would need to utilize the User Routing for this.
Hi I have a similar question. What if you just want the FOH console with inputs coming from 2 stage boxes connected to a broadcast console. how would I go about setting it up?
A few problems I’ve found with this setup is you can’t send an Aux input signal to the Aux input of another console. Also the talkback input becomes completely useless. Also I find the gain splits very clunky eg. At several shows I’ve done recently the gain control wouldn’t show up on either of my 2 consoles, only trim. Then once I restarted the gain showed up but it didn’t affect the input level at all. Very odd problems but nothing I can’t work around.
One question - let's take this setup but having just Inputs 1-24 going into the Monitor Console... for any reason i have 8 inputs i want to connect at my FOH console (media players etc. that's being controlled from the FOH technicians)... so can i just select at the Monitor Console that inputs 25-32 comes via AES50-A and at FOH i select this Chanels to send via AES50-A? Also send them to AES50-B at Monitor console?
Drew, I need help! I am using a x32 rack as my main mixer for my band, but I also bring it to venues that have an audio engineer mixing from their own x32 to keep our in ear monitoring mixes the same at all shows. I currently use a split snake and just drop them a copy of all my inputs but I wonder if it would be easier for them, and us, if I were to bring a shielded cat5 and use aes50 to give them a copy of all our inputs. I would want to retain our input gains so I would want our x32 rack to be the main source for everything. How can we complete this setup? or would it be easier to just continue using the split snake?
We are using S32 on stage, to X32 for FOH to a broadcast room with another X32. When clock source is set to the FOH console, does this mean that none of the local inputs will work on broadcast console?
I am working with a Church that has a FOH mixer that they store in a back room. I want to be able to set it up to be able to be plugged into that storage room so they can run the console from a tablet. what is the best way to wire this. there is one board that will be moved only. thoughts?
Drew what if I want all my boards coming from stage box? I saw a video where it’s kind of confusing but works for 2 boards but the second board is on 17-48
I am having a significant issue at the moment where I need more than 32 channels; I do have access to multiple X32s, but I can't work out how to set them up in Slave and Master, so that I can use one set out outputs to PA, without just taking up two channels and using the second board as a submix. Help me please oh wise one!
You really can use "better than" Cat5? I've had connection issues using anything but Cat5. Specifically, I couldn't connect to the snake using shielded Cat7, with latest firmware on all devices.
Drew. Thank you for the video. I just recently connected a broadcast console and it is working great. However, I would like to send the Aux as well. I am local on the FOH console. How do I send t he Aux to the broadcast console?
Please show me , M32R and X32Rack connect to a DL32 , i need setup M32R for FOH and control GAIN , X32Rack setup For persornal Monitor or Inear Monitor with From out put DL32. I connect M32R AES50 port A to DL32 AES50 port A and clock internal for FOH and connect X32rack AES50 port A to DL32 AES50 port B and clock AES50 for Monitor but i can't send ch. to bus for monitor with X32rack because out 1-16 DL32 Control with M32R , X32rack can't bus out with DL32.
Wrong on the cable again. Shielded Cat5e ONLY. That is in the manual and the tag that comes covering the AES ports on new consoles. AES was designed for the twist rate of cat5e
The category number of ethernet cable is actually the cable rating of the highest MHz of data and the speed rating of the cable. As long as it is shielded and a minimum of CAT5e spec, the cable will work. When you are comparing a CAT6 cable vs a CAT5e cable, the CAT6 cable will have less crosstalk and interference, therefore is a more robust connection. Additionally, you will find that a higher category rating of network cable is backwards compatible with a lower category of data transfer.
Hi Drew, very good content, indeed!
Could you make another video talking about how to make Talkbacks betwenn these 3 mixers? Or a text here, whatever is easier for you.
Thank you
Drew! Thanks for your videos. You gotta do that talkback video, would love to see it, thanks
I have on many many many many occasions used unshielded CAT6 on long throws of 100+ ft (sometimes 200+ ft) on multiple consoles and stageboxes
Hi, please continue with your teeser about more complicated setups 😁 like talk back from FOH to Monitor console etc.
I'm gonna throw out my interest in this as well! I have two consoles, not three, but would LOVE to be able to talkback to the stage (or even FoH console) from the broadcast console that is in a remote room!
This guys explains how to get your TB from FOH to monitors
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Dear Drew Braschler, thank you for the educational content.You have helped me a lot to learn more about the equipment.question! You can make a video on how to connect two or more mixers on Foh, route channels and how to make it easier!I apologize for my English) Thank you in advance!
Can you make a video of how to use an x32 rack that’s connected with a s16 to and x32/m32 full size at front of house. And how to return the master buses to stage onto the x32 rack?
Hi Drew, we are using the X32 rack + S32 for rehearsing and gigs. Now we just set up the whole thing with backing tracks in Mainstage and in ears for all band members. From April on we're gonna do some live sessions / mini festivals with other bands at some different venues. The question is if we can bring our own rig and send all the outputs to FOH, even if they don't use Behringer but another digital console, like for example Allen & Heath, PreSonus or Soundcraft. Just so we can have our own in ear mix and backing track settings as we are used to and don't have to start from scratch each gig. Thank you for the great tutorial videos. You helped a lot :)
You'll probably want a splitter snake so you can have all your inputs to your monitor rig and provide each channel to FOH. You can either get an analog splitter snake (Seismic has a bunch of rack mount options) or a couple rack units like the ART S8. With these you can even omit tracks (like click) that aren't necessary for FOH
@@AdrianEitzenAMSE Thanks! We got that up and running now :)
Your connecting three mixes and I’ve been waiting three months for my back ordered s16. Only another month more to wait ( will probably be longer)
Brother, super helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Love your channel. Question for I own an x32c I want to make that my FOH mixer but want to control my x32 rack and dl16 from the FOH mixer. I run IEMs on aux1-8 now. But for some reason I’m having a problem with the outputs 9 through 16. I can’t seem to figure out the routing. Do you already have a video for this?
I knew it was possible 😎
me too! 😁
Yep! Same here!
Nice video, thanks a lot. I have a question: I'm looking for the best way how to use waves plugins running on SuperRack native or SoundGrid server. Could you please test several cases:
1. Waves card connected to X32 and run SuperRack native and Soundgrid server.
2. Dante card and SuperRack native via virtual sound card and dante PCI card and dante RME card.
3. Connect X32 via AES50 to DN9630 or Lynx AES16e-50 card.
I'm looking for routing and round trip latency in all cases. Thank you a lot for the info.
Great video Drew. Our church in Puerto Rico, Casa del Padre, uses an X-32 for FOH, an S32 on stage, 6 P-16 for band members , 2 wedges for our vocalist team and a Midas DP-48 for our broadcast mix. On regards to the broascast mix, i was going to get an X-32 rack but my sales rep suggested the DP-48 (less expensive and more channels) and we are getting a very decent sound with it. Can you please give me your opinion on the broadcast mix gear decision?
Can we do 3 wings and where everything is coming from the DAW dante plz
Hi Drew, I have a question, that I hope you can answer. I have an X32 Compact for FOH, and an M32R for monitors then an S32 and SD16 rack units. I would like to use all 16 outputs from the S32 for in ears (large group doing stereo in ears). Then I would like to use some of the outputs from the SD16 for my main speakers (and possibly a couple monitors for the choir director etc). Watching your video I was able to get my units sharing inputs, but I'm confused on how to route my main outs to the SD16. The switch on the SD16 is set to 17-24. Currently I'm running the cables like: X32(FOH A) to S32(A) - S32B to SD16A - SD16B to M32A. I see all devices connected in the X32. Just don't know how to make the main outputs from the X32 go to the SD16.
I've noted your comments on screened data cables, but it worries me. One of the real advantages of the cat5 or above was that the grounds of the connected equipment are NOT bonded together. As an example, with bigger venues, the ground potential between stage and front of house grounds, in things like theatres, can be a few volts - so old analogue systems hummed when the grounds were connected and worse, potential fault currents could use the common ground in some circumstances. With digital, this went away - but I'm not comfy with re-introducing a common ground system, with all the issues it can/could cause. Maybe a screened cable grounded at the stage end, but floating at the front of house end would be fine - for the screening, but no actual current carrying path? It sounds a backwards step to me, and so far with 50m runs, I've never done it or had an issue - but I didn't know grounding via the data cable was a recommendation? Hmmmmmmm
When I connected an S16 to an X32 Rack using an un-shielded cable it did cause big problems like loss of sync that were resolved when I used a shielded one, so I'm sure Drew is right on this one, but I take your point on the potential between 2 distant locations being a possible issue.
@@Weirdbloke1 very strange - I've got some tough data cable on reels plus a number of oridinary cat 6 unscreened and never had any issues linking my two X32s and an M32. It never even occurred to me there was a problem till I read these topics - now I'm thinking?
The shielded cable is the manufacture spec. Its to help prevent static build up in the cable and RF rejection. Also only cat5e stp should be used. AES 50 was designed for that. Its not a IP signal where higher grad category cable makes a difference
I just checked the X32 schematics. The shield of the RJ45 connectors is directly connected to digital ground. I thought they might be capacitively or otherwise coupled to avoid the commoning of the grounds between interconnected consoles, but I didn't see that.
I'm looking to do the exact setup. Only difference, I intend to use a x32 producer+S16 as monitor console. Is it a similar setup ?
I would like to have an FOH then run a Ethercon to the stage and connect to a Stage box, and Hub 4. Currently I have x32 A-AES going to Stage box for drum split and local inputs on x32 used for additional inputs at stage right. I have another SD16 so I would like to have x32 out front (no ipad) and one Ethercon coming from FOH position to stage box SD16 and SD8 (at drum location) and Hub 4 on AES B I have another x32 that can be utilized if needed. I can't find much info on Hub 4 but we are running 3 DP48 with POE power to stage positions.
I have two questions. Can I plug the instruments into the stage box directly without using the Direct box? the second question is that possible to connect xr18 to the wing? Thanks
sir make a video on subs on aux..or using a crossover
This video was great but it stopped me from one thing. I used this video to help setup a monitor and FOH setup. I figured out how to get the x32 rack to send sound, but no matter how I set the routing up it will not allow the second console to send sound out. All meters work but no sound comes out of the second console. Any advice on how to get both units to send sound out of the s32 outputs?
You would need to route the audio from that second console to the first console via AES50, and then use the first console to route the audio to the S32. You would need to utilize the User Routing for this.
Hi I have a similar question. What if you just want the FOH console with inputs coming from 2 stage boxes connected to a broadcast console. how would I go about setting it up?
A few problems I’ve found with this setup is you can’t send an Aux input signal to the Aux input of another console. Also the talkback input becomes completely useless. Also I find the gain splits very clunky eg. At several shows I’ve done recently the gain control wouldn’t show up on either of my 2 consoles, only trim. Then once I restarted the gain showed up but it didn’t affect the input level at all. Very odd problems but nothing I can’t work around.
Thanks for sharing a great video. Let's stay in touch. I turned on the bell, I subscribed. Greetings from Turkey
Thanks for coming!
One question - let's take this setup but having just Inputs 1-24 going into the Monitor Console... for any reason i have 8 inputs i want to connect at my FOH console (media players etc. that's being controlled from the FOH technicians)... so can i just select at the Monitor Console that inputs 25-32 comes via AES50-A and at FOH i select this Chanels to send via AES50-A? Also send them to AES50-B at Monitor console?
Make a video on the x32 the master and the wing as a slave board
Hi. Is it possible to connect three SD16 to the same X32? I want to use part of the i/o of each stage box, which are in different rooms.
Drew, I need help! I am using a x32 rack as my main mixer for my band, but I also bring it to venues that have an audio engineer mixing from their own x32 to keep our in ear monitoring mixes the same at all shows. I currently use a split snake and just drop them a copy of all my inputs but I wonder if it would be easier for them, and us, if I were to bring a shielded cat5 and use aes50 to give them a copy of all our inputs. I would want to retain our input gains so I would want our x32 rack to be the main source for everything. How can we complete this setup? or would it be easier to just continue using the split snake?
Hey. Can you use a M32C with 2 S-16 on stage as master and control it with a X32 as front of House mixer?
We are using S32 on stage, to X32 for FOH to a broadcast room with another X32.
When clock source is set to the FOH console, does this mean that none of the local inputs will work on broadcast console?
I am working with a Church that has a FOH mixer that they store in a back room. I want to be able to set it up to be able to be plugged into that storage room so they can run the console from a tablet. what is the best way to wire this. there is one board that will be moved only. thoughts?
Drew what if I want all my boards coming from stage box?
I saw a video where it’s kind of confusing but works for 2 boards but the second board is on 17-48
So AES50 is 48 channels EACH way?
You sent Aux down AES 1-8 but you also received local inputs on AES 1-8
AES50 A in AND AES50 B out, all the way through the hook up of mixers
I am having a significant issue at the moment where I need more than 32 channels; I do have access to multiple X32s, but I can't work out how to set them up in Slave and Master, so that I can use one set out outputs to PA, without just taking up two channels and using the second board as a submix.
Help me please oh wise one!
You really can use "better than" Cat5? I've had connection issues using anything but Cat5. Specifically, I couldn't connect to the snake using shielded Cat7, with latest firmware on all devices.
master i have 2 wings and 3 sd16 how do i connect them together to work 1 as foh and the another as monitor?
Can you make a Video for conecting an FOH and Monitor X32 With Inputs from S16 oder S32?
Maby with the PA Output from The Stage Box And The Monitor Output from the Monitor X32
Drew. Thank you for the video. I just recently connected a broadcast console and it is working great. However, I would like to send the Aux as well. I am local on the FOH console. How do I send t he Aux to the broadcast console?
Can you connect an xr 18 to another xr 18?
Please show me , M32R and X32Rack connect to a DL32 , i need setup M32R for FOH and control GAIN , X32Rack setup For persornal Monitor or Inear Monitor with From out put DL32.
I connect M32R AES50 port A to DL32 AES50 port A and clock internal for FOH
and connect X32rack AES50 port A to DL32 AES50 port B and clock AES50 for Monitor
but i can't send ch. to bus for monitor with X32rack because out 1-16 DL32 Control with M32R , X32rack can't bus out with DL32.
Wrong on the cable again. Shielded Cat5e ONLY. That is in the manual and the tag that comes covering the AES ports on new consoles. AES was designed for the twist rate of cat5e
The category number of ethernet cable is actually the cable rating of the highest MHz of data and the speed rating of the cable. As long as it is shielded and a minimum of CAT5e spec, the cable will work.
When you are comparing a CAT6 cable vs a CAT5e cable, the CAT6 cable will have less crosstalk and interference, therefore is a more robust connection. Additionally, you will find that a higher category rating of network cable is backwards compatible with a lower category of data transfer.