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Watch the BBC first on iPlayer 👉 bbc.in/iPlayer-Home "In light of the Brexit vote, is it right that Scotland should be denied a second referendum?"
Fiona Bruce presents an hour of topical debate from Dundee. On the panel: Tom Tugendhat MP, chair of the foreign affairs select committee at Westminster, a Lieutenant Colonel in the Territorial Army until 2013, serving in both Iraq and Afghanistan, Conservative; Ian Murray MP, the last remaining Labour MP in Scotland and candidate for deputy leader of the Labour Party; Joanna Cherry MP, SNP justice and home affairs spokesperson at Westminster, and a leading litigant in the case against the UK government’s decision to prorogue Parliament, SNP; Val McDermid, bestselling, prize-winning crime writer; and Alex Massie, Scotland editor of the Spectator magazine.
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There should be a referendum on whether the BBC should continue to collect the license fee.
Boris and the Torys wanted to but Laboor were againsy it, well they would be its now officially the Labour channel
Stop watching it - then cancel your licence. You only need one if you watch live BBC
As long as it stays the mouth piece of the Tory party, it is safe.
@@ec7696 Are you having a laugh. It's as left as Daniel Day Lewis foot. Tory my arse.
@@ec7696 what left wing woke planet are you living on sonny ?
My only question is, where did you find so many people in Dundee that are opposed to independence? You are literally in the SNP heartland.
Coz QT and the bbc is a brexit-loving uk government mouthpiece.
@@adha2913 All the Brexiteers say it's a remain mouthpiece
@@Abusedtinsley17 The left say that the BBC is right wing, whilst the right say that the BBC is left wing. I have a very right wing part of my family and very left wing part of my family to draw this conclusion, along with friends who have differing viewpoints.
I hate SNP. But I would vote to leave next time.
@@adha2913 The leftist BBC Brexit loving ? You're joking or you're deranged. One of the two,
If you abuse someone's trust and take advantage of them, but then say "Don't leave me, because we've been together for a long time" - then it's typically considered an abusive relationship.
Independent Scotland 😍
Ryan Dice = No Dice - Fool!
Mr. Dice. I voted OUT of Europe and IN the UK Union. You talk shite. Respect the wishes of the 55%.
@@johnmatthews3990 despite the fact that polling has shown majority support for Scottish succession for months now?
Okay, I'll respect the majority 🤷♂️ so what do you wanna do in Independent Scotland first?
@ are you English???
Now I know why we hardly ever get referendums; ‘cos whenever we get one the losing side forever complains about a rerun
So true, sore losers. Shit happens in politics so the view that there was a change that wasn't perceived with another vote so we should have another one is naivety in the extreme
There was a time when we had referendums and people had to tell the truth and were held to account for their lies... these days we seem to allow the many lies! When Boris lied about Brexit (NHS money on the bus, 12 million Turks about to invade etc), the ONLY reason he wasn’t charged by the courts with misleading the nation was simply that the referendum was only advisory. But nevertheless, people can now simply lie and not be held to account, that’s why modern referendums are dogshit and always will be contested by those who only wish to hear the truth... maybe it’s an old concept?!?! 🤷♂️
Brent Meister General now that sounds like the words of a sore loser alright. Remember the pledge even though it was advisory that even if a single vote carried the referendum then it would be honoured. One thing about sore losers is that they appear to have poor memories. Regarding the bus (and don't forget to look at an actual photograph) just remind us all of the precise wording. SMH !
Martyn Anstis all factual! It was actually what Boris said about the impending Turkish invasion that was misleading the courts... I didn’t say it, the courts did! Take your hair splitting bit to them!
Martyn Anstis plus I know people who did actually vote based on the bus... so there are two things that could have happened: 1- Boris misled the public or 2- People voted on not understanding the pledges and wording... either way, not the way referendums should be won or lost!
I'm sorry to say but Fiona Bruce is an awful host,the show has really gone downhill over the last 10 years,its become a joke much like our political system.
A man pretending to be female.
finally someone agrees with me about how bad Bruce is - she is soooo bias and often interrupts pro-Brexit members of the panel while allowing anti=B ones far more air time, And i have lost count of the number of remoaners planted in the audience who she calls on
Antiques Roadshow is about her level.
Totally agree, it's on my sky planner, but haven't watched any since Christmas. Shame that This Week was axed too.
She tries too hard to be funny to the point it gets very inappropriate. Dimbleby moderated discussion but bruce tries to be the centre of it.
Wales voted to leave as well. It wasn't only England.
Just looked it up. Northern Ireland and Scotland voted majority to stay. England and Wales voted majority to leave.
@@wilmaknickersfit uwotm8
Amanda Watch Only Wales and England voted to leave!
Amanda Watch Gibraltar also voted to stay
@@wilmaknickersfit the Welsh leave vote was 52.5% only England voted to leave...do you not see a problem with this sentence?
If you lived in Scotland during the last one. It basically divided the country, and the result meant nothing to the Nationalists, who never really accepted it, and have been wanting a rerun. That was before Brexit.
No it brought an interesting debate and dialog
Well one of the argument made by the Stay Together is Scotland remaining in the EU as part of the UK... Obviously that is now out of the window
And that is democracy is it not, I'm sure they did not elect themselves into lead the Scots
I'm seeing you commenting everywhere lol
Scotland will never thrive outside the united kingdom it's too small and weak to go it alone. Some people say we will rejoin the European union without any negotiations that's just waffle nobody should trust the first minister and her incompetent pro independence coalition the greens. The s.n.p. never wanted devolution in the first place all they've ever wanted was separation to get into bed with the stinking beaurocrats in Brussels that's not independence that's a recipe for disaster nobody can see it.
These politicians just want to hear their own voices. Shut up
Greggybread Very true.
So true, and whats the saying "Empty vessels make the most noise".
Greggybread there again you could just say they are stating their opinion just like you have.
@@teddyboysdontknit810 there's a difference between staying your opinion and stating it over again 3 different ways for 10 minutes when their is an audience full of people wants to ask, speak and listen to others
It is a TV show where politicians give their opinion on political issues, so this can't come as a total shock.
Also replace Finio Bruce with Andrew Neill at least he will stop people dead in their tracks.
Ahree
Neil is an arse.
What I want to know is how much longer are we going to be forced to pay 💰 for the rubbish BBC it’s about time we got rid of the TV 📺 license
Not much longer by all accounts according to Whitehall thank goodness
The establishment will fight tooth and nail to keep the BBC and given they are still in power it's very likely the public will continue to be forced to pay for it
Just stop paying the bbc for your own indoctrination 👌
@@Telcontar1962 I find it hilarious that you don't think this Tory government and their craven supporters in the press aren't actually the elite.
@@paulmcmichael7157 I find it even more hilarious that you comment on something you either can't read or can't understand.
Why do you people do it? I honestly want to know. Is it some sort of masochistic impulse you cant resist?
"Within the margin of error" was never ever stated when no was in front.
What happened to Question time. I used to be able to get the whole show on UA-cam and looked forward to it, but now I just get edited snippets. Please bring the whole show back.
Fiona Bruce started presenting it for starters. Went downhill straightaway after that.
Scotland: "I'm changing my name to Jenny and I'm out."
No Scotland nooooooo!
@Eye Ball 🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢
@Eye Ball / What belongs to England ...…….. 2Trillion of debt , that's what you'll get
@Eye Ball belongs to England??? Since when
You can please yourself, but I have already taken the first steps to Maltese citizenship so I can get a passport that keeps freedom of movement until my proper Scottish passport can be issued. You have had over 300 years to stop disrespecting the people of Scotland. It is too late now, this unfair House of Commons 578 to just 72 other non-English UK party MPs political union is busted for good. Let's see what a hash you make of Covid-19 soon. With Boris Brexit, it will be spectacular lies and fake news. Watch the TV series outlander for the Scottish early years saga. Not exactly accurate historically but then History is written by the victor as well we know. Pretty sure the backlash by English forces is pretty dammed accurate.
SNP = Scottish Nagging Party nag nag nag nag nag
able adelaide that 45% of scots support 46.7% if you include other independence supporting party’s that backed the snps position
The real question is “Should the BBC be funded by the public”.
Yes
The BBC isn’t funded by the general public, it’s funded by license fee payers.
No. They ought to advertise, and learn to either stand or fall like all other broadcasting companies. The BBC already has a separate division - BBC Studios - it is run as a private entity, and makes profits. Why don't the Government simply tell the BBC to run the whole ship the same way?
Yes, it should!!!
@@Brian-om2hh You do realise that almost all of the private media institutions like Sky, ITV and the tabloids would fail without their corporate backers subsidising them to spew corporate propaganda. They’re the real welfare queèns.The BBC is funded entirely on a subscriber basis as all media companies should be.
Great debate. We wait to see the practical outcome.
Ian Murray is the reason Scotland only has one Labour MP.
No. The reason Labour has one seat in Scotland is because they stood side-by-side with tories and London during the referendum. Also being absolutely useless.
@@bill5328 that’s a lie, tories have around 5/6 seats
@@bill5328 i never said u were a liar. just said that what u said was a lie (which it is). and actually 6 MPs could actually collaborate and come to together and have way more power in scotland than if it were just one MP
@@bill5328 but i do agree with u. so many areas voted tory for the sole reason to get brexit done, not realising that they’d be leading us through a pandemic haha. personally i’m anti independence for scotland but i’m also anti tory so that kinda leaves me in a difficult place where lib dem’s and labour are the only options left but both those parties are way too weak and divided to ever have any power in scotland
@@ursulajimeni9013 I'm not offended it's just a Utube post, but a lie is a lie, it's meant to deceive. It hardly makes any difference whether they have 1 or 6 but Patricia May had 13. We see people through different eyes from England. I in effect made an error and like most things in my life I never got away with it now did I.
Someone please unplug the SNP.
No can do amigo they're here to stay
@FTS, maybe, but more people in Scotland voted for unionist parties," than for the destructive snp shite.
Can someone please unplug the Conservative and Unionist Party. We got rid of all but ONE Labour MP, but still have 7 Conservative MPs to get rid of in Scotland soon. We do not need English nationalist Brexit parties in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland thank you. Goodbye England, you chose Brexit over the 1707 political union with Scotland. C'est La Vie.
@@tomwaller6893 Scotland cannot get in the eu. Scotland does not meet the criteria. Scotland needs England to get in to the eu. Does the SNP actually care about Scotland or does Sturgeons agenda rule over all.
15:27 "The European Union is a union of equals."
She should quit politics and become a comedian.
There are unions where members are more equals compared to other union. Definitely on the EU members are far more equals compared to the UK "union". England are the centre of everything, NI, Wales and Scotland count nothing.
@@zedtrek I completely understand what you mean, but Scotland already has disproportionate representation in parliament. England has 85% of the UK's population, of course it will have more say. Perhaps the solution is full federalisation, with the splitting of england into it's different regions?
@@zedtrek England is the centre of the universe so yes you are correct 😉😉
@@gilly9666 the problem with fascists is that they all think their country is the center of the universe.
The EU has a complex system of voting powers where there are areas of country vetoes as equals and other areas where triple majorities are needed.
Sure have one every year until they get the result they want, insanity.
Hope so!
Hopefully and finally end their colonial rule over us.
@@scottishking9731 oh shut up, Scotland merged with England and agreed to the terms, of all countries don't complain about colonial rule Scotland was part of the colonising
@@scottishking9731 Scotland as an independant nation but hanging to the coat tails of the EU. LMAO.
@@Cal_lum “oh shut up” yet another charming unionist. And you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about because the nobles were the ones who voted to join when ordinary people didn’t get to vote and according to writings didn’t want to join. And the definition Colonised is exactly Scotlands situation so don’t tell me that I’m wrong “establish political control” and since London has control over Scotland then yes.
Val McDermid is absolutely oustanding in her arguments for why all people should cherish their nationhood :)
She is one who can see the bigger picture and what happens when you stand back and HOPE for change which never comes.
Devolution has created endless windbaggery
Naw is Westminster
What was the alternative, especially taking into account that this was being done in the wake of devolution in Northern Ireland?
Can we have a vote in England to determine whether we want the Scots?
Can Wales, Scotland and N.I. Have a vote to determine wether we want the English?
@@thespanishinquisition8954 no because we’re in charge 😂
@@drvs2262 That’s exactly the problem
@@thespanishinquisition8954 I’m only messing about re my last comment to be fair. To think Scotland, Wales and N.I would be better off independent is wrong though in my opinion.
@@drvs2262 I wouldn’t say they would be better off economically, but would be better off and more in charge of themselves rather than being controlled down south.
That woman at the start needs to give people a chance to talk holy shit.
Scotland can be independent as long as it takes the BBC with it.
Hell no! We can stay in the Union and defund the BBC together.
@@ryanpeacock786 nah the English can keep their shite TV, Alba gu brath
Why pay for crap ? Scotland will get better media who are accountable to no one but the people.
Yes Obviously U Are Spot On
No PLEASE!!! If we keep the BBC we’ll probably have to keep the One Show!
Amasing isn't that Dundee one of the most prominent SNP 'Yes' cities is transformed into Buckinghamshire when the BBC comes to town. Some might say just a coincidence but quite extraordinary nonetheless or perhaps some thing far more devious. I know what I believe.
Struck me as very odd too. I see three main arguments or talking points for an IndyRef 2 (and hopefully a YES result)
1. If what Unionists say is true (it isn't btw) that Scotland is heavily subsidised by England, then why are they and Westminster so desperate to hold onto us. If you have a tumour, you cut it off surely?
2. The argument about 'uncertainty' (currency, borders, etc) is a complete joke. We literally just left the EU without a shred of anything that resembles any sort of coherent plan going forward. so it is rich that unionists use this argument to try and discourage people.
3. Can people in Scotland not understand that the entire country could have voted Labour in the most recent GE, and the Tories still WOULD HAVE WON? How is that democratic? It genuinely baffles me that the people of Scotland wouldn't want to be part of a country where their vote actually matters!
@@russellstewart7444 The simple answer to that old Scots like me (71 yrs) are too set in their ways and actually believe the BBC and MS media Bias. They are not interested /used/or can't be bothered to find an alternative opinion/the real truth from other sources like social media like the ones I follow the most (Wings OS and 'Talking up Scotland) and many many others. That is the battle confronting us but slowly we are beginning to get the message across.
@@paparobbo62 If an IndyRef 2 does ever happen, the YES supporters definitely need to come at from a totally different angle. The silent majority is something to not underestimate, and constructive dialogue needs to happen between people of differing views. Last time round there was far too much venom and nastiness (from both sides), but as Johnathon Pie recently put it, you don't win people over by called them right wing, racist, idiots, etc. Here's hoping we can all imbue some facts onto No voters and change their minds!
@@russellstewart7444 I agree but as I know from personal experience when out canvassing for YES in 2014 and 'reaching out' I was spat on, punched, and threatened with a gun by merely trying to put across the positives of Independence and even now when you are faced with constant Media distortions/character assassinations of NS and others on social media it tests your patience to the limit. It is a very similar story to Brexiteers when in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary they are usually unable to bring any substantive evidence to the conversation to support their stance and I must say without being accused of any racist slures it mainly comes from English people who are totally ignorant of Scottish affairs.
Question Time: Are you still stuffing the audience with self admitted planted questions/questioners?
@Mike Jones The point i was making related to the BBC admitted policy of planting actors into the audience. I'm certain that there are genuine people there too.
@Mike Jones QT planted an ex UKIP turned tory , by the name of B Mitchell in the audience on 3 or 4 occasions, for the sole purpose of attacking SNP panellists , when they were called out BBC claimed they vet audience members , which includes asking if they've been in the audience before . When questioned by press B Mitchell admitted he.d been personally invited by BBC and had family members stationed separately among the audience , no disrespect to B Mitchell , he was just defending his political beliefs , the BBC though , are anti SNP to extreme.
They have to, if they didn't have these people on the ratings would go down as it's then considered boring. BBC are crap but they cant win.
"...Beating Boris Johnson in court for doing something unlawful" and what law was broken, exactly?
exactly because if he truly broke the laws he would be made a criminal for sure. it's just more rubbish from the left.
He prorogued parliment illegally u donut
@@kryoboy1966 Right... But for something to be illegal, then a law must've been broken. Do you mind sharing with me what law that was?
@@ffinianhe correction.it was unlawful not illegal.my bad.hes still a prick though
@@kryoboy1966 For something to be unlawful, it needs to be illegal. So how was it unlawful?
Should the bbc be allowed to carry on at all, bearing in mind their total anti establishment rhetoric and left wing bias
Both the left and the right complain about the perceived bias of the BBC, so clearly if everyone is pissed off they are doing a good job.
The BBC reflects the real opinion of the entire UK, who I must remind you again polled majority remain for well over 2 years and 234 national polls. It is the minority Brexit unionist who is the minority here.
@@tomwaller6893 that point is sort of hollow since when the issue was put to a vote, the people of the UK voted out
@Tim Loves Bacon well yes of course those views must be represented but keep in mind that the majority did vote to leave
Aren’t the BBC an African Channel now?!.
LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK IN THE AUDIENCE!
A fantastic force for good my hole!
Will the EU take Scotland back? They'd have to reapply, and they were recipients, not contributors; seems like the EU would be grateful to get the bum up off of their couch.
Unless they want to subsidize them just to anger England, but I'm not sure that will work as intended.
At least Northern Ireland haven’t called a second referendum in nearly 50 years.
The Scotland should go independent. So should Wales and North Ireland
Thanks for posting.
I"d rather have independence from the BBC
At the time I voted in the Scottish independence referendum it was already known that we'd also be having an EU referendum which might mean we'd leave the EU. So what's changed?
lol it wasn't. Actually one of the arguments used against Scottish independence was that it would mean you would also be leaving the EU and the single market.
@FTS I think you will find that you are the one who is daft. Go back and read again what he said. He is stating the fact that when we voted in the Scottish Independence referendum in October 2014, we were all aware (as told clearly by David Cameron in 2013) that there was going to be an EU referendum in 2016. We all voted in 2014 with that knowledge and if Sturgeon or any other nationalists believe that we were told that we were guaranteed to remain in the EU if we remained in the UK........well quite frankly Sturgeon etc are showing their utter ignorance, stupidity and hypocrisy. Hypocrisy because for Sturgeon it was OK for Scotland to leave the EU with a Yes vote in 2014, but now it is grounds for Indyref2. That is the point that John Clayton is making above. If you don't understand that then get a hold of the nearest child and he/she will explain.
@FTS I don't need to make you look stupid......you are doing a fine job of that yourself.
I don't mind having conversations with most people on here, but clearly you choose not to understand what people are saying and are also blinded by Irish politics.
Quite frankly I have better things to do with my time and who I speak to through choice............so take a hike.
@@peteralmeida8321 Yes that was 100% fact. Surely you are not showing your ignorance on here that you didn't know that to be the case.
Letter from European Commission to the SNP in March 2014 confirming that an Independent Scotland, on leaving the member state of the UK, would be out of the EU on its arse :
www.parliament.scot/S4_EuropeanandExternalRelationsCommittee/Inquiries/Letter_from_Viviane_Reding_Vice_President_of_the_European_Commission_dated_20_March_2014__pdf.pdf
@@jaguarladdie David Cameron was also opposed to leaving the EU in fact he led the conservative campaign to stay in the EU. He assured the people that brexit( as they called it two years later) would not happen. The Scottish people were told that leaving the UK would also mean leaving the second biggest economy in the world. Now that the UK is leaving anyway that ''fear'' has become real. How do you know most scots back in 2014 voted not because they wanted to stay in the UK but because they didn't ant to leave the EU? In 2016 62% of scots voted to remain in the EU and in the general election of 2019 the SNP got 8% more votes than the last general election.
I say a new referendum will help clarify what the Scottish people really want for their future.
Hiding your head in the sand won't make the separatists go away. The longer you deny a referendum the stronger their voices will get. Better to put this to rest and have a referendum. If the majority of the Scottish people on their own accord decide they want to remain, than brexit will be a lot smoother. If not this issue will loom during the next decades and generate more Scottish resentment towards the English.
I understand the frustration felt by the Scottish people, but they should take into consideration that many of us South of the border (Midlands) also feel a sense of detachment from the capital, and the Westminster process. I hope that we preserve the union and should be far more positive when analysing the success of our unity during the past 300 years and more. I believe that Scotland has contributed enormously to the prosperity and stability of the British isles. Endeavours in industry, science, commerce and of course the integral part that Scottish regiments played in the growth of the Empire. Be proud of the traditions and individual culture differences of our own history, whilst celebrating our common interests and values. Hi
Kemper Boyd Sadly the people in Scotland that have died because of Tory austerity that they didn’t vote for can’t! So I won’t accept just because we have done “so much” together we can’t separate now. It’s clear the majority of England wants to go a different way from Scotland and I don’t know why people can justify the people of Scotland being governed by a party it didnt vote for on the basis of being together in an unfair union for 300 years.....
@@crazyhairdryer remember who was in power when the financial crisis happened? Yes labour try blaming them aswell as the Tories
@@crazyhairdryer sorry "the people in Scotland that have died due to Tory austerity?"
gilly austerity is a political choice. There was no need to peruse it after the financial crash. Also I would never have voted for Blair or brown as they were just tories in red ties
Colin Harbinson if you are questioning this you know very little about the effects of austerity. 130,000+ deaths because of it across the UK
As my Scottish Nationalist friend said. Scotland should leave the UK 2 stop the Scottish blaming their problems on the Bloody English.
were not the bloody English, Scotland should hold a vote to get rid of sturgeon she's the one dragging the country down, the Scottish people are a friendly bunch, and from time to time you see hatred towards the English surfacing every time she opens her big fat mouth, she doesn't know what shes talking about, FFS she cant even remember Scotland agreeing to the once in a life time referendum on Scottish independence as she keeps saying no agreement was ever signed or exists
Anthony Parker 😂 😂 sturgeon isn’t anti English ffs I say this as a half English scot with an English father and his a fully paid up member of the snp. Britishness is dead mate even the English reject it by near 70%
Anthony Parker Anthony Parker ps Scotland never agreed to it being once in a generation as the snp said clearly in their opinion
Ps I have a document that says nothing can prevent another vote should the people of Scotland vote for one. Do you have a document signed by the Scottish people or government that says this is a once in a generation 🤷♂️.
The Scottish don’t blame the English the Seperatists do.
Britopia 😂 no one blames the English I know this being half English myself and my English father being a fully paid up member of the snp 😉. Only uninformed idiots claim that mate and you are clearly one of them
I’m English but have always considered myself British above anything else. I’ve worked with many Scots in oil & gas over many years, and have many Scottish friends. I’ve always believed in a United Kingdom and the value of 300 years of shared history and sacrifice. Tom Tugendhat summed it up nicely. However if independence meant not hearing anymore from the SNP and their message of division and badly disguised bigotry, then it would be worth it.
Agreed. They're the Scottish Anti English Party, pretending to be Scottish Patriots. The Tea Party of Scotland. Sick of their incessant whining. Scotland has to go as they keep voting them in, so good riddance to them.
Obviously, you work in the oil industry I can’t count how many semi wealthy young men voted no just to save their jobs... it’s ridiculous, that’s not what matters. Why can’t people see the potential for Scotland? A nation where people are truly free to be themselves, black white, brown. Britain is a controlling obsessive government who does not like the idea of true freedoms. Britain has so many precedents of oppressing it’s citizens and that’s in the recent years not in the 1800’s ffs...
@@Jin-Ro; nobody is whining. Working together is fine but one nation and it’s people controlling another is simply ridiculous, scotland should be Scottish and ran but Scottish citizens. Scotland has had it ridiculously bad ever since being part of the UK, we’ve always had it bad and we want atleast a chance to change things for our people. Why can’t we have that chance, bring us back if it fails or if we don’t want that then let us continue to strive for success and prosperity.
Agreed. Problem is Scottish independence is Brexit on crack but this time the left remainers have done 180 degree turn and support it. Snp are not held to account as it’s a one party system and blackshaw cannot ever say anything other than it’s all the fault of Westminster. There is no point holding any sort of complex debate - it’s simply about sovereignty and independence over all else and the adults vacated the building years ago. The truth is there is a solid argument for independence but the snp and their brethren see no downside at all and fail to listen to anyone else and get nasty quickly so people give up. I fear the genie is out of the bottle and they will keep asking for a referendums over and over. The only people who can change it are the Scots themselves and perhaps the Tory and Labour Party’s bail and a new party evolves to countenance this. The funniest thing in all this is how people say with a straight face this is not just a riskier version of Brexit
"Badly disguised bigotry" give me an example of the snps bigottry? It is possible to not want to be part of the uk but not be anti english...your talking in soundbites.
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Why would anyone not want Scotland to be an independent country?
Paul Charles says the man with no support 😂 😂 😂 52% and climbing mate as britishness dies a death in England 😂 30% in England 33% in Scotland seems we aren’t as different as we think as neither the English or scots see themselves as brits anymore
Paul Charles 😂 no one does apart from idiots that don’t understand the Eu like you. Ffs wake up man you are following a proven liar who doesn’t even believe in brexit 😂 😂
Because most Scots are proud of their Union 🇬🇧
Britopia is that why 52% of scots rejected the union in 2014 🤷♂️ as I said before you are a uninformed idiot 😉 even the English reject unionism by 70% mate
Graeme Roberts You don’t have a clue what Scots think because at least 700,000 of them were in England and not allowed to vote whilst non British citizens were. The entire thing was a disgrace. Like you!
Why did nobody talk about the West Lothian question?
I have another idea, should the license fee be abolished?
Why is this being debated? I didn't agree with the general election result, why do I have to wait four years to have another shot at getting what I want? The SNP are good at putting up a smoke screen to cover- up their disastrous record in running a country. If they do get their way and Scotland gets independence it will not be a success but another failure to add to their list of disasters. I notice that the SNP did not mention their budget and the tax rises; this is nothing compared to what would come with independence - I wonder how many of us could afford the price to live in Scotland?
Wise up I don’t want another referendum they can’t look after Scotland as it is the SNP are a joke
I don't feel so at this point in time. Scotland have already recently had a referendum and the Scottish people voted to remain. But sturgeon just wants to keep rolling the dice and have as many referendums until she gets the result she wants. In the meantime the SNP will keep running Scotland into the ground. The sad part is that Scott's are suffering and dying due to intensional NHS underfunding. My thoughts are that Scotland would be better waiting for a few years to see the outcome of Brexit and then make a decision
Auto culto it’s not sturgeon pushing this it’s the people as we were told our Eu membership was safe and secure in the uk but that’s been thrown out the window so now so has the referendum result. Scots want to leave the uk and join the Eu
Auto culto ps the Scottish nhs outperforms england and is better funded than in England
@FTS haha I love Scott comedians. Even a blindman could see which puppeteer is pulling the strings and directs the SNP. There's only one party that's responsible for running Scotland into the ground and that's the SNP. They make the spending decisions and your delusional to try and pass the blame onto another parties.
Auto culto you seem confused 😂 what comedians named Scott do you love? And you seem very confused that Scotland’s budget is set by the Tory party in Westminster who have cut over 1 billion from our budget
Scotland's budget is set by Scotland so don't try and point your finger elsewhere to blame others for your own governments mismanagement of funds.
It's easy to compare what two governments have done over the same time frame and then declare one is better, however the uk government has been somewhat tied up sorting out Brexit, whilst the likes of the SNP and others have been hellbent on stopping a majority vote. I would actually argue that Scotland itself could and should have gone further than it has in that time.
"Distract Politicians", just put some 'extra' money in front of them, any of them.
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You are British.
Scotland does 60+ % of its trade with the UK.
Scotland has an expected 38000 new workers
Scotland has an expected 268000 new pensioners
Good luck funding that.
On Scotish independence the rest of the UK will immediately need to use trade to win favours with big useful economies, Scotish trade would quickly evaporate as we buy political trading favours with other more useful economies.
The UK secret service needs to look into the use of divide and conquer by foriegn Goverments especially the undemocratic EU.
I 100% agree.
Blah Blah Blah. The trade won't stop. And Scotland can get a free ride from English defence. Brexit has been a success for Northern Ireland which has the fastest growing economy of any part of the UK. Does that fit the narrative?
Think the sodding EU are going to come to your rescue, they may not even EXIST in a year or two?
@@lesskeels3417 No but neither will England.
Has that lady in the audience been to the opticians and forgot to take of their glasses?
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There should be a Scottish referendum on the performance of the SNP ?
No your not right boy
Those are called “elections”.
I think people are mistaking naturalism for weakness. As a host you are required to be fair and not lean towards any agendas or be biased towards your opposite!
But this the BBC... not biased?? they're not called the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation for nothing.
@ 7:00 can someone tell me what did he say? I'm not trying to mock... I'm genuinely interested what he said because everyone seemed to agree with him.
“Surely, as the only remaining Labour MP in Scotland, Ian (Ian Murray) can see that his party maybe need to change their stance on the independence referendum debate if they want to re-engage with the Scottish electorate.”
Cherry will be saying a different story now
Not bloody likely
If it wasn't for the broad shoulders of our precious Union
Scotland would be as wealthy as Norway !
Have you seen the state of Glasgow? Don't be a salty jock
@Macavity Norway produces twice the oil and it is state owned neither of which was down to Thatcher much as I disliked her.
@Macavity In 1979 the year Thatcher came into power the inflation was 17% unemployment was nearly double the current rate saving was out of the question
i don't really watch this any more - just drop in now and again - What did it for me was last year when one of the panelists said - "...and I really believe that 'Collectivism' is the way forward.....!" - and no-one batted an eyelid.....?
20:20 I think he was referencing the West Lothian question where the MPs of Scots NI and Welsh can vote on matters solely effecting England but English MPs are unable to vote on issues brought up in the other parliaments.
Westminster English MP voted in EVEL( English votes for English laws) at Westminster in 2015.
In Westminster there are 533 English MPs,after 2023 boundary changes 543 Eng MP an increase of Ten MPs.
Westminster has 59 Scottish MPs after 2023 boundary changes reduced to 57 Scottish MPs, a decrease of two MPs.
At Westminster English MPs out vote MPs from the other three countries of the UK.
Westminster is effectively the English parliament.
The Scottish people haven't voted by a majority for the Tories since 1955. Yet keep getting Tory government and policies.
In an independent Scotland the Scottish people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for.
@@martindornan1667 What are you on about? You already have your own parliament?
I really liked Alex on the panel. I think both sides can see he had the best pulse of the mood in Scotland than anyone else on that panel.
I think the biggest mistake Scotland and England could do is separate.
Scotland would quickly find the sxxt hitting the fan like never before.
Why Denmark a country about the same size can be independent so why not scotland
It is quite a skill to control a debate like this, I think the presenter is good.
In the event of a split then Scotland has to be able to protect its own people in the future and it can only do that if it has its own Scottish currency. British voters would resent bailing out Scottish banks if investors lost faith in Scotland's ability to balance its books.
What i find ironic in Scotland, the party that pleads for independence (SNP), wins all the seats. The party offering them a cast iron referendum to independence (Lab), loses all their seats. Talk about stupid, that's what nationalism does, you make stupid selfish mistakes.
If everyone in Scotland had voted
Labour they still wouldn’t be running the country today - which strengthens the reasons for sending pro-independence MPs to Westminster.
It's not nationalism. Its Anti English sentiment. If it was nationalism they wouldn't be so keen to gain independence only to hand it over to Brussels
The SNP are a far left political party, there is not nationalism but the name.
Give them there independence but total cut off no nhs or welfare or anything I've no problem with that, infact I'm sick to death of hearing them moaning sooner the better?
And they dont get to use the £ aswell
@Allington Marakan Westminster!
Scotland cannot use sterling IF Westminster say so . So then you'll have to ask eu for the euro. €1.20 to the £1 won't be good for trade for Scotland will it?
lol, ever heard of NHS Scotland?
@@focusgaz No £, No national debt. Fine by me,
7minutes and 45 seconds in , where the hell have you been all your life
But the SNP wanted to take Scotland out of the EEC in 2014. That's what would have happened if a yes vote had been returned. So why are the SNP so precious about remaining in it now?
They could have reapplied after the independence referendum if it had been successful.
Here's an interesting idea. What if Scotland got independence but didn't join the EU?
Last Referendum cost 16M.. We paid for it.
In an independent Scotland the Scottish people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for.
The people of Scotland need to read the Lisbon treaty speach
The only policies the SNP has are independence and running public services into the ground.
Funnily enough Scotland outperforms England and Wales on about everything , hence reason Scots vote SNP , your'e feeling a bit silly now obviously.
@@jonathanmcallister3611 Scotland outperforms England and Wales on about everything ?
what thing. From I see, Scotland need the money of London.
Brexit will be bad? Make up your minds, Scotland. You want independence? Why, then, is independence from the EU wrong for Britain?
Aussie Pom summed it up nicely.
Stop watching Question Time. You’re just encouraging them.
Mike Jones Because deep down, the English know where their bread is buttered.
Scots want a second ref because the English voted Out of the EU.
We had a ref in 2014 which scots voted to stay, and if Scotland left the Union in 2014, Scotland will be out of the EU because they voted independence. Then in 2016, we had an EU referendum which us Scots voted out and you want another ref because you lot voted to stay in the EU. I'm sorry but that sounds contradictory. *This is called a democracy you know!* If you don't like the outcome of the Election in 2016 tough you have to deal with it! The EU is un-democratic anyway because the people there are not even voted in the first place.
"A mandate of MPs" No! The people decide.
exactly, so we should have another referendum
It does fill me with sadness, yes I'm an Englishman but I have been a citizen of the United Kingdom since I came into this world so I can wholeheartedly echo the comments of Tom Tudgenhat.
I'm not a foreigner in Dundee, I'm not a foreigner in Edinburgh. Scots are not foreigners in Canterbury or Liverpool or Derby.
This is our country, all of us and our economic prosperity seems a lot brighter together than apart.
Only English man have say in UK?
@Jimmy Mac Sorry but do you actually know that Scotland has a higher deficit than the rest of the UK?
The immediate impact would be that Scotland would have to borrow substantially more and at higher interest rates no less.
@@yannikoloff7659 Of course not, but the decision to leave the UK wouldn't just impact Scots.
We've been one country for 300 years or so? I dont want to see my country riven apart.
@@christopherdickinson9265 www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/default.aspx England has a deficit. Scotland a Surplus
@James dow What exactly is demeaning about it?
One sovereign state then?
Why does the hostess keep interrupting the panels answers?....so annoying.
Why do people have to constantly "dig" things? Leave things as they are, in peace.
If the SNP wanted more than "one [Referendum] per generation" then they shouldn't have let Salmond sign that letter to say they agreed to only have "one per generation". The fact the SNP didn't get the answer they wanted doesn't mean everyone has to have another go (and maybe another and another), until the get it "right" (i.e. agree with the SNP).
One of the key elements of any Democracy is that you are required to abide by the majority decision even if you, personally, don't agree with it. If you say, "the will of the majority only counts if they agree with me" you are basically saying, "the will of the majority is meaningless; only my opinion matters" and you've take your first step towards authoritarianism. I wouldn't recommend that - I'd sooner take Democracy, even with its flaws, than authoritarianism.
A generation only last 6 years in Scotland
@FTS They agreed they would have one go per generation, so they get one go per generation. If they wanted to keep re-doing it they should have said so. You don't get to change the rules afterwards just because you didn't like the result
Change the record 🙄 it’s done
I think the UK should take together, the average person from Inverness has more in common with the average person from Barnsley or Wrexham than they do with the average person from Krakow
Snp said from day one miss kranky herself said the snp will just go against everything the tories say or do and she has kept her promise, all she wants is to split the union thats why she sits with sinn fein
@George FOXTON you are probably right, but the snp is falling apart at the seams now , politics is a joke nowdays
Yeah because referendums are like kids, you just keep having them till you get one you like.🤣😂🤣
What like Frage said if he loses by 52/48 he will keep campaigning for Brexit....
@@casperwallace9685 yes campaigning not ask for another Referendum
Chris Klitou so if he was campaigning for brexit how would that come about without a second referendum 🤷♂️
Its almost like people's opinions change right?
it was a.one off once in a life time vote now. they want to move the goal posts
The goalposts have
Sorry Scotland, it's not up to you right now. You'll just have to wait a few years. (Although I would vote for you to have a choice and hopefully decide to stay)
i think for now, scotland should see where brexit goes and how it affects the economy.........after a few more years, decide on whether to hold another independence referendum
most sensible comment on here
@VIPICCB6 and ironically if Scotland voted to leave the UK in 2014 they would have left the EU. The SNP will use anything as an excuse for a referendum. No wonder their national animal is a unicorn.
@FTS But your country voted for Brexit only 45% voted SNP #NOMANDATE
@@rossstewart9284 nOR HAVE SCOTLAND LEAVING
Get out of here. Far too sensible a comment. Remember these are politicians they don't do sensible or indeed rational, they just emote and hope someone is stupid enough to pay attention to them.
Scotland said no in the referendum but like Alex salmond the snp won't accept no for an answer
Laraine Hopper we also voted to remain in the EU
@@cameronbeattie3087 no the uk voted to leave the EU YOU ARE PART OF THE UK WHY DO YOU THINK IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE BUT YOU
Laraine Hopper because the referendum clearly showed that the majority of Scots no longer agree with the majority of English people on this issue. I’m not saying Scotland saying no should override the votes of England and Wales, just that there should be another referendum on independence because the situation has changed significantly. One of the main arguments of the better together campaign last time was that Scotland would lose its EU membership if it voted yes - now the only way to get back into the EU would be to go independent. That’s why I have changed my mind, along with many others, to support independence since 2014
How about discussing a NHS that no other country in the world bothered to copy it was so good.
Hello to my class that’s watching this rn
When you only count the Scottish people living in Scotland you'll obviously get a very skewed result when 800,000 + of Scots live in other parts of the UK.
Yea, but if you don't live in Scotland, pay tax in Scotland you get no say in Scotland, you have decided to invest in your future elsewhere.
@@casperwallace9685 So English people living in Scotland Paying Tax in Scotland and invested their future in Scotland can tell you to stick your independence up your ass and you will be happy with that?
@@Jim-de4dj They have their right to vote on it and speak their mind on it so, yes. Does the concept of democracy confuse you?
@@Codas_ But their not Scottish, they might live in Scotland but their are not Scottish.
@@CairnsG I mean ethnically no, nationally they may well be one day, but that doesn't define whether they should get to vote or not.
If someone works and pays taxes in a nation they should have a voice in how those taxes are spent and what decisions that state makes.
I would argue that British expats (this would include scottish ones) should not have a vote in british elections.
Yeah,as long as the whole of the UK can vote
That...that doesn’t make any sense
The lad that is on at about 7 mins in has an amazing point and could not agree more. There are so many out there that would vote for independence but really don't want to vote for SNP in order for that to happen.
There are umpteen independent parties they can vote for, or they can lend their vote for independence - then go back to who ever they want to vote for in Government once Scotlands independence is done
Wow....when Tom the Tory was speaking I could almost hear "Land of Hope and Glory" in the background. 😂😂😂
You should get that checked out
Fiona Bruce is a very weak and most ineffective compere
I think farage could give the job a good go eh!
This Scottish woman is painFul to listen to. She doesn’t answer the question, she lectures.
I agree. It's like watching Nigel Farage go on about Brexit and British sovereignty. Only that she is more coherent and draws her inferences from facts rather than fables.
@@sonnyxlbright5904 Referendum result still smarts?
Scottish Independence referendum Thursday 19th October 2023 Now is the time for Scotland to leave the UK, there has never been a better time.
Margin of error goes up as well as down.
13:30 *Scotland would absolutely crazy to vote to leave the UK, and then attempt to join the EU giving away one of their most valuable assets with over 10,000 miles of Coastline the potential wealth of the great fishing industry. Fishing Ports all over Scotland have been decimated by 'foreign ships' depleting stocks at an unprecedented level over the last 30-40 years.*
GrrMeister 😂 thanks to the uk government
@@graemeroberts2350 Thanks to the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy that allows all other EU countries to fish on our waters