Scottish independence: could Britain break up?
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- The union between the nations of the United Kingdom is looking increasingly fragile, thanks to Brexit. If Scotland were to break away from Britain it would face an uncertain future-as would the rest of the union.
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"Ireland was strong-armed into the Union"
Yeah, and Poland was "bullied" in 1939.
And the jews got tickled.
@@ArendJanV lol, you guys!
a temporary border dispute. violence on both sides.
The native Americans got "told to go away"
Algeria was "asked" to stay in France.
“England joined with Wales in 1536”... don’t think Wales had much of a say in it tbh 😅😂
We didn't get the opportunity to discuss the matter with them. They were all singing in the hilltops. We left a sorry you were out card. :-)
Exactly. They said "strong-armed" for Ireland (understatement of the century) but forget that Wales was literally conquered piece meal over the course of centuries. We resisted and resisted until we couldn't anymore and were finally annexed against our will.
@Orwell 1984 dunno what with England in the state it’s in I think their problems are abit more local
@Orwell 1984 Ara stop it will you. I think I'd throw myself from the tallest slieve in Ireland if we were connected to England 🤣
@Orwell 1984 oh ceart go leor. Éirigh as. Ceapaíonn mé bheadh caithionn mé féin ó na slieve dá Éireann ceangailte ar Sasana
Grá le Dia. Labhraíonn mé teanga a dó 😱🤣 tá tú liúdramán
"Enland was joined with Wales in 1536". What you mean is that Wales was unilaterally annexed by England's parliament under HenryVIII after having been conquered in 1282 and subsequently brutally subjugated, the latter having been expunged from the historical record. After annexation Wales has been exploited; legal and administrative steps taken in London to destroy the Welsh language. Now Wales is neglected and left to rot by successive Westminster governments, Tory & Labour. If Wales doesn't vote for independence it faces continued neglect and decline. There is no other alternative other than independence of Westminster.
Powerful Mr. Jones.
So true. I hope even Cornwall gets devolution at this point. The way Cornish culture and language got exterminated is like Wales on steroids. Thankfully they were barely able to keep their language and culture alive a little.
@@lincolnlog5977 All empires did it
@@lincolnlog5977the problem is Cornwall just wouldn’t survive on its own. Unlike scotland and (potentially) wales, it is a super rural area of England, and insanely small, so it would probably just collapse upon independence.
But hey, I’ve never visited Cornwall so I wouldnt know, I’m just basing my opinion off of what I’ve read
@@somerandomdude4665They suggested devolution, not independence. Those are different things.
Scotland and its people have the right to freedom and self-determination
And they voted to stay.
@@somebloodybrit8067 That was 8 years ago before Brexit now they want to leave.
@@geenkaas6380 so we should grant them another referendum everything the rest of the country wants something different?? Maybe we should all just do what scotland wants just to keep them happy all of the time. We already give them more money and gave them all the powers they need to run their country and the SNP made it worse not Westminster
@@Chris-pq3wp they do not run their country if they did they would be independent
by rejoining the E.U ...twisted logic!
"[Thatcher] was deeply disliked in Scotland." That''s putting it rather mildly.
I still love that interview of the Scottish grandmother celebrating Thatchers death on live TV
it was like that everywhere except brighton and london.
Thatcher was disliked almost everywhere , but she was the right person in the right place when the Falklands war happened . You have to grant that she did the right thing there . Yes lives were lost but it comes down to omelettes etc, etc
@@MrTarmonbarry Spend millions on a bunch of useless Islands annually, Only 5k people live there yet they cost the UK more than Cornwall combined to govern.
@@usernamesample8386 You could apply that to the Shetland and the Orkney islands , would that make it right to abandon them to whoever wanted to take them??
The Scottish : I want to have a referendum !
Uk : You need to ask me.
Scottish : Can I have a referendum ?
Uk : no.
"And when we want independence we don't need a referendum. We declare it and get on with it." - Tam Laird
If another Scottish independence referendum goes ahead soon, five or so years after the last one failed to provide independence, and this time it does win independence, will there be yet another one five years or so later to check whether people still approve of that independence I wonder?
The last line should say
UK: No, you just had one in 2014.
@@kieranororke620 no we should have a referendum every year until we get independence. Then never every bring up the topic ever again if you don’t like it leave. Go ruin England.
The way it should be
How Englands acquirements of Wales and Ireland was phrased in this presentation is very interesting. Also, my history is a bit hazy but Iam pretty certain that the UK did not "give" the Irish their independence, they had to fight for it.
They did grant them their independence because Ireland was simply just a net loss.
When Michael Collins came across the sea to negotiate a deal he was threatened with a land invasion of several hundred thousand men (who were all battle hardened from WW1) to restore order in Ireland if he didnt accept the deal, and he saw the deal as a stepping stone to further Irish independence (Ireland was a commonwealth nation at that point)
@ApeX so because Ireland was a net loss they simply gave it back nothing to do with the republicans fighting them
@@ApeX-pj4mq it was net loss because the
IRA made it impossible for the country to be a net profit
@@malsmith1618 Yes. They no longer saw any use for Ireland as the UK itself could overachieve Ireland in every regard such as agriculture, textiles, fuel, energy etc. It simply was no longer worth keeping.
If they wanted to keep it, it would still be British till this day.
@@ApeX-pj4mq 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Irish unification is a logical outcome. Scottish independence, too. The EU will welcome Scotland as a full member. No worries 🇪🇺🏴
No it won't. The EU already has major problems supporting its weaker members and Scotland has a deficit in double figures that well exceeds that 3% level required for new members. The mandatory requirment to sign up to Schengen also creates a huge issue (which is why Ireland prioritises the CTA over joining Schengen). In addition, Scotland does over 60% of its trade with the rUK and about 20% with the EU. In summary, it makes little economic sense for Scotland to leave the UK in order to join the EU, it would be an extreme act of economic self-harm. But it wouldn't happen, even if Scotland did become 'independent' the problems in joining the EU would be insurmountable and the idea would, at best be kicked down the road indefinitely. The SNP are leading disappointed remainers up the garden path by telling them that independence is the road to rejoining the EU, it just wouldn't happen, and the more the UK diverges from the EU and signs up to external trade deals that lead to lower or zero tarrif trade with the rest of the world the less sense it makes.
In summary, Scotland is not going to be rejoining the EU, unless it is as part of the UK, which is in itself highly unlikely considering the unpalatable terms the EU would demand for that to happen.
"Ireland was brutally invaded, colonised, starved and put under severe laws and punishments if they didn't renounce their culture, language and religion, causing the country's culture to be on the brink of extinction". Hmm seems too long let's say "strong-armed" instead
Buhu
@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Ireland was harmed england are evil
@@ContentDolphin England is not evil... those people who did that are dust... most of us today are a mixed people... we just happen to live here.
@Milosh Simonovski There is not a massive difference if any.. but these keep moving.
is 38k GBP Lond ;
Dublin is 49k EUR = 42k GBP
London is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live or commute to. But salary level depends on a lot of things.. it can depend on the costs of living in an area.. it can depend on the type of industry and thus skills the area is dominated by... for example, Silicon valley most likely is skewed by the high paying tech jobs. London has a lot of finance roles.
And let's neatly forget about Scotland's roll in all this and wish our brothers and sisters the best of luck.
UK: We've decided to leave the EU.
Scotland: And I've decided to leave *_U_*
@Noname Lolnonono im sure we will be fine with our whisky, north sea oil, natural water, renewable energy and our tourism is just fine i think what you mean by 1% tourists London has is its overall population is 1% tourists, considering how london has a larger population than both the countries alone i think we will be fine, thanks
lol, true that
@Noname Lolnonono yeah because England steals all the income to fund the southern British isles
@@jambooooo23 Is that the same North Sea oil that Salmond said would pull in £57bn between 2013 - 18, yet only pulled in £4bn ?
That guy also said ‘we will be fine’
Best comment ever!!!
I've always found it odd, that both the UK and the EU consider themselves democratic, yet they don't allow Celtic nationalities, Catalonians, Basques, or Bretons to hold referendums, or if they do then the referendum is simply disregarded.
@chattanooga chilli You are right about Scotland though. I was surprised they were adamant about having a referendum, then voted no. Now even if they have a new referendum they will probably vote no again, because trade will either be difficult with the EU or England, it's a lose lose situation.
Scotland was given a referendum though?
@@MidgeCat 2014
I find it amazing you think the EU has any say in referenda for the Catalans, Basques, and Bretons.
@@taintabird23 they should
The Scottish people seem unhappy to be in the United Kingdom so when they finally got the chance to leave it in 2014 the majority voted to remain in it! The English people seem unhappy to be in the European Union so when they finally got the chance to leave it in 2016 the majority voted to leave it! what more can I say
“Ireland was strong armed into the union”
What an English way of saying it
Lol yeah thought that was the understatement of the century alright
Exactly what I came to the comments to point out. Similar notions about Wales and Scotland 'joining'. Pure ignorance that leaves this video irrelevant.
@@17Podge17 Scotland did willingly join though, that part is true.
@@cearta6379 it's all technically true. The passive lack of accountability is what gets me
@@cearta6379 yeah, Wales was pretty much Annexed, Ireland was invaded, but Scotland did willingly join under a Scottish king.
When Boris holds all of the cards... but the game being played is chess.
underrated comment
And sturgeon is playing...
@Chris L Yesyes... That's exactly why Republic of Ireland is suffering so much as compared to the NI. Or UK. Or England.
😂😂😂🤭
Genius
Or football
This country broke many nations... will be broken into pieces...
In the EU, key decisions require the approval of all members. In the UK, not.
And if the ruling elite do not get the answer they want ....you are made to vote again!
would be ironic if brexit that fought for a "strong independent UK" results in their nation being cut in half.
Brexit has nothing to do with a proportion of Scotts wanting to become independent. They have absolutely no interest in being ruled by bureaurocrats in Brussels because thats not independence is it.
@@spillarge when I see EU bureaucrats I always think of that Monty Phyton peasant: "well, I didnt vote for you"
It has caused much division that has had a slow snowball effect over the years.
Not really. Scotland is a net recipient of taxpayer money and relies on Tourism from the rest of the UK. In the event that Scotland did leave, it would concentrate wealth in England, Wales and NI, cause increased tourism to these areas, turbocharging the remaining UK economies further. I am a bit concerned as to the wider implications on democracy. There are Unionists in Scotland who won the vote in 2014, were told they were never going to have to vote on this again, and here we are in 2021. This is not how UK democracy is supposed to work. There is no sense of fairplay.
@@Dremons7 Well you d prob. more voted for an EU bureaucrat than for a leader in the UK seeing your voting system kills a looooot of votes. Winner takes the whole county, right? Not very democratic at all.
We all have one thing in common: We clicked this vid to read the comments
Indeed
Came for the video. Stayed for the comments :3
Northern Ireland is better of joining the Republic of Ireland and Scotland a independent country.
No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
Never!!.
@@Abraham_Tsfaye I 100% agree.
Ireland deserves to be United .
Here in Wales independence support has grown. We are fed up with England trying to rule us. They are also trying to ignore what devolution was agreed many years ago.
What a silly headline: Britain break up? It’s an island, that would take the most turbulent earth plate movement. UK? Oh, that’s different. Then, probably.
UK to EU: We want our independence!
Scotland to UK: Hey! That's a great idea!
Hahaha, so true,
Brexiteers whining in 2015 and 2016: "GIVE US OUR SOVEREIGNTY. EU IS THE EUSSR! THEY ARE FASCISTS FOR NOT GIVING US OUR SOVEREIGNTY!"
Scots to Brexiteers: "So, what are you now?"
[Even more ironic considering that the UK always had sovereignty as an independent country in the EU with veto rights.
Scotland was never sovereign in the UK and possess no veto rights]
Other way around lol
Scotland: We want a referendum!
UK Parliament: OK there you go. Results in, you lost.
Scottish nationalists: We want repeat referendums until we win!
😂
Respect democracy. Respect results. Respect Scotland's will!
@@sitrepSNAFU Until you know that the main argument to stay, was to stay in the EU... Oups ?
EU to Britain: pls don't leave the union, we're stronger together
Britain to Scotland: pls don't leave the union, we're stronger together
Scotland to Shetland Islands...
Exactly. England asks for independence for itself but doesn't grant independence for others. It's applying double standards.
the EU was just taking advantage of the UK and the eastern european countries
@@padcha8210 scotland wanted to leave the EU as well....
@@THESLlCK did you even watch the video? They voted remain so unless you have any sources for either of those claims...
Independent Scotland, independent Ireland, independent Whales, independent England. I would admire these independent countries if they manage to achieve their individual independence peacefully and then join in working together to profit and promote each other. PS. Had Britain not left the EU, we would not be having this discussion.
It's Wales not Whales genius.
Wales is the country
Whales are animals
Ireland is already independent is is actually wealthier than the UK.
You mean a United ireland
Independent Whales? what about the sharks?
The same guys who wanted the UK to leave the EU now deny Scotland's right to leave the UK.
Cause Scotland doesn't want to leave
@@gojimovedchannel1478
Take note, my point is that some of those who led the fight for Brexit have already made it clear that they won't accept a democratic decision for Scottish independence.
England: we want out of the EU, we want our independence
Scotland: we want our independence
England: no way
Scotland had a vote & voted to stay,,, end of
@@jrgboy yeah that was before Brexit mate
@@awesomeguy-rq8zw Scotland knew Brexit was coming
@@jrgboy with attitude like yours i can ensure that is not end of….. you just give motivation to Scots to get out
@@arionas11 It's the Scots, well less than 50%, that have the attitude thinking they can expect the rest of us to put up with voting till they win, they can have a vote if they pay the cost of it ...
"But this was short lived, as in 1922 [Ireland] split in two" - I don't think 121 years is that short ngl
It is in comparision to Wales and Scotland. Ireland was sort of independent but the majority were mistreated
@@oscarosullivan4513 I'm not denying the mistreatment or anything, but even in comparison to the others a century isn't really short-lived - it's just a bit of an odd term
Relative to History it is. A century is but a blink of an eye
Idk Man the aunt of my grandfather was born 1917 and she is still alive.. She was alive when Ireland got independent.. I guess it's seems a lot for Americans
Ireland, England and Scotland have centuries of History as nations, 121 years is really short compare to that
Scottish people should be free!
The Uk is not weaker, it has become more prudent for Scotland to have self government! Also, the result of the 1979 independence referendum was 52% leave and 48% remain, this stands as an injustice against Democracy and Scotlands rights of independence!👿🏴👿
“Divide and rule” was the main point in British empire and now is hunting back. What a Karma?
i think Karma is a noun, flower, not a definite article.
You meant “Divide et Impera”?
The moth of the Roman Empire?
@@TheHardCore89 it was actually started by Phillip II, Alexander the Great’s father.
Karma is uncountable: What karma!
Sea plunders ☠🏴☠️
UK and Scotland: "arguing over Scotland's indpendance".
Ireland: "Lemme grab my popcorn".
*independence
Troubles 2 electric Boogaloo
This is don't funny be happy that you are free
You say that like we don't support Scotland and, eventually Wales, leaving. The death of the empire will be wonderful.
@@joeavreg2254 I haven't said you don't support us i know you English people doesn't like us bc we want to leave the union
United we stand, decided we fall, and is the weeker we'll become, that's the reality of life.
we are not united
'Ireland was strongarmed into the union in 1801' yeahhh we had an independence war and got our parliament taken and our rights practically erased :/
Ireland was 'strong armed' - most soft way of putting it
North Irland Freedom
Even if we do leave it will still of had an impact on Northern Ireland
No one opposed the act of union in Ireland it actually helped get rid of many penal laws put in place in the early 1700s
Very little if any resistance to the act of union
Don't talk soft Humphrey! ✊✊!!
From 1660s-90s to 1801, did it not occur to you that the penal laws forbade Catholics from practicing law, forced the subdivision of land, the outlaw of the language, the unproportionate use of the judicial punishments, debtors prisons, petty crimes by boys and men were punished by imprisonment to Britain's Australia colony?
the list goes on... these are all things used to force, pervert and divide society and the reality made by it, and still practiced to this day.
A society that law allowed a dominant minority to accumulate wealth, study law and _influence_ state, governance and public service. But those politicians faced with the 1801 Act of Union gave Ireland up for really nothing at all something called private property.
The once-mighty "Empire where the sun never sets" reduced to half an island?
What a concept.
Empires never last
Half an island? It was the British empire not the English empire.
It is time to say goodbye Great Britain and to change the name to Small Britain more suitable
@John Carroll they aren’t the first, ever heard of the soviets
@@inekeevers where are you from
As a frenchman, I'm quite happy to see this.
The scottish are our oldest ally, auld alliance!
And the celts are just like us gaullish. They just weren't romanised.
Though, both England and France are in a similar state, a pretty bad one, particulary on imm--igration.
@Phil Literally defended since the IXth century and successfully on top of that.
Unlike London in 1066
Romanised*
And the french have stronger ties to the Irish than the Scottish. France US and Ireland tried to liberate Ireland in 1784 I think but the french fleet mostly crashed and sank, except a few ships landed on the west side of the island, so all the American and Irish troops died because the fighting was in the east and the revolution failed.
Then 100 years ago Ireland single handedly beat the British.
🤦♂🤦♂
Bro, not being "romanised".... is central in European history !!!
It's precisely what MADE France in the 1st place (else it would still be celtic Gaul, and would be completely different than today).
Someone here has clearly skipped history class in high school. 🙄🙄🤦♂🤦♂
Presumably, you support Breton and Corsican independence then?
@@goofygrandlouis6296 You really don't know History, so don't give lessons to anyone.
The split of Slovakia and Czechia involved no war or economic collapse.
The failed Darien project did not bankrupt the Scottish state - it bankrupted the individual Scottish noblemen who had personally invested into it. They then sold Scotland out and joined with England to restore their own financial positions.
this
Absolutely correct! Not only that, England had a huge national debt at the time.
Which was the Scottish state. Unless your serf ancestors were paying taxes?
I liked your comment but i would add that most scottish people invested in some way in the colonies.
Exactly, well said
It would be interesting to see the UK leave the EU only to have Scotland, England, North Ireland and Wales rejoin the EU separately
England and Wales dont want to join the EU, both of them mainly voted to leave, however North Ireland and Scotland would most likely join the EU
North Ireland would reunify with the Republic of Ireland, making it de facto part of the EU
The UK already left the EU
@@tapele5987 that's strange cause the EU seems to own the UK's fishing rights
Can’t see the north joining the rest of Ireland. We can barely run things down here
I’m English,but I think it’s pityful the way our people are so blinded by politicians.The people you find talking down on Brexit are usually the ones that voted for it.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for: the politicians always get in.
Brexit was always a bad idea
this is why Scotland wants to escape the English tories
And hasn't the result been lovely. Not!
If Scotland goes what does that mean for Northern Ireland, which has closer cultural and ethnic connections to Scotland than England?
Well obviously NI should be reunited with Ireland, maybe there will be a new union but without England, that would've been epic, I would pay to see that
@@Mia199603 that’s like having just the United States of Wyoming and Mississippi or something
Random protester in the crowd: "You can't have yer pudding if you don't eat yer meat!!!"
Pinky and the Brain 🧠
Har har har!
@@fromthepeanutgallery1084 As an actual shrubber named Rodger, I had to throw in a British pop-culture reference. Even in America, It's hard being known as: "Rodger the shrubber" without getting Monty Python jokes daily 🤣
So much for foregoing the mince pies, and skipping right to the pastries ..
Epic song
"Ireland was strongarmed into the union"
That's an interesting way of putting it
Lol
Ireland was not a nation State until the UK gave it to them!
@@khankrum1 I don’t think the British gave the Irish their freedom; they had to fight for it.
@@martinbonfil5545 They had to fight, then had to stop fighting when it was clear they did not have to fight, so they did not have to fight except for pride, and stopping fighting involved civil war, such was the pride and the idealism involved. Mankind does not have to fight, that is idealism worth fighting for.
@@khankrum1 sure
It would be worth watching how a partitioner is being partitioned.
They should redraw the Scottish border as a straight line covering most of Northern England, and then give Scotland independence as karma for what they did in Africa and Arabia
@@atlasfrog5730 You forgot Asia.
@@atlasfrog5730 REVENGE FOR SOMETHING THEIR ANCESTORS DID? Jesus christ you are racist
@@ApeX-pj4mq stings doesn’t it?
@@comradekenobi6908 I dont really care how racist he is, it's the fact he wants to punish people and redraw borders because of something their ancestors did 200 or 300 years ago
Go for it Scotland and please take the North of England with you we’ve had enough of the establishment too
F@@k off I’m from the north my loyalty is to the country 🏴🇬🇧 I’m not leaving with Scotland
I'm sure Boris doesn't want it to happen because he knows he'll become the PM who lost Scotland
That would be David Cameron.
@@kdum8 nope it will be Boris Johnson
@@ronniemacullaugh7916 "Ireland United with northern Ireland everyday"
Video's and event what we're all want, bcz they deserve it
Latest polls in Scotland say they want to stay in the UK
@@jrgboy The is also people who is laying 60 procent of the scottish people are not telling the truth
Very interesting and informative. Answered some of my long held questions sensibly and without partisanship.
I’m saving this video to refer back to.
Thank you for posting this.
Yes🏴 Scotland Independence🏴🏴
“England had joined with Wales in 1536.”
Actually, Wales was invaded and conquered by England in 1282 then ruled as the king’s personal fief. In 1536, it was formally annexed, giving Wales representation in parliament but forcing English law and administration upon it. But sure, just call that “joined” if that makes you feel better.
Weren't there a couple independent tributaries that only got annexed when they tried to become fully independent?
I thought the king of England only had like 2/3 under direct control at that time.
Well, that's what you get for not putting up enough of a fight.
Actually, a bunch of Norman younger sons conquered the Welsh by marrying the available heiresses. Then the king took their feudal submissions. There was no “invasion”, especially for the peasantry or the miners, who just bowed to the sons-in-laws of their previous overlords instead of their sons or daughters.
Cant really say England conquered Wales in 1282. England had slowly been chipping away at Welsh territory for the previous 300 years, so saying it was conquered in one specific year is a bit inaccurate.
Do the students over there learn their colonial history ..seen many people over here defending colonism...🙄😐😶😶.
Who would've thunk that there's a farm in scotland that grow almost all of their produce in scotland.
Somebody might have thought of that, but nobody would have thunk 😁
Yeah I didn't get that line either lol
because some countries dont do that
thunk
There are plenty of self sufficient farms in England 🏴 too .🤪
As one movie quote states:
"For scotland, I DO
For Wales, I DO
FOR ENGLAND
I DO NOT!"
Johnny English 😂
England is England,
Scotland is Scotland.
You like it if Scotland rule England ?
yes. Rather that than independence
Actually, considering that it was a Scottish King that took over England in 1603, and not the other way around, and the fact that it has been a running joke for many years that the civil service is dominated by Scots it is arguable that that has always been the situation.
I always find it strange that Scotland - that more or less joined with England peacefully - has always had stronger pro-independence feelings than Wales, which was basically conquered by Edward I, and has its own language which is far more widely spoken that the Scottish equivalent.
They are too small only a few million they know they won’t survive without England but Scotland had a chance
@@bornstar481 There are many countries smaller than Wales that survive - and it is particularly easy if you are part of a bigger unit, such as the EU.
@@bornstar481 For instance Wales is bigger than Luxembourg, both in terms of population and in terms of area.
@@charleshiggie7034 There is more freedom in being in the UK than in the EU. The EU is ruled by a non-democratic body. At least Wales can vote for their leaders now.
@@geoffjones5421 I believe the EU to be a very democratic federal structure, far more democratic than the UK
In 1535, the Italian scholar Polydore Vergil wrote that: "The whole country of Britain ...is divided into four parts; whereof the one is inhabited of Englishmen, the other of Scots, the third of Welshmen, [and] the fourth of Cornish people, which all differ among themselves, either in tongue, ...in manners, or else in laws and ordinances.'
1535- Not long before The Plantation of Ulster. I've no horse in the Scottish race but being an Irish resident & citizen, there is little love lost on the Union & monarchy. Scottish Independence would certainly help the cause of all Ireland independence, this century will see the demise of the Union and it won't be a moment too soon!
@@pedclarkemobile balkanisation is such a wonderful thing. makes world maps more interesting at least
I can't see Westminster granting any new referendums any time soon. They've all come to realise that devolution was another one of Tony Blair's terrible ideas. Plus, the Scots are completely split down the middle on this issue (gaining independence now could actually be quite damaging for Scotland).
@@timjones2329 I agree, now if only we could balkanize the US and China.
@@caseyb1346 Russia too.
The Union of England and Scotland allowed us to be the most powerful nation in the world and now you want to split us up. I'm English and proud to be united with my Scottish brothers. We're better together in my opinion. 🏴🏴
Come on Scotland 👍
Yes!
*Meanwhile the Cornish just looking longingly off the shores of Polzeath, kicking stones at seagulls and desperately trying to reassemble the Cornish language...*
Big love from Scotland to our wee Cornish cousins. You'll find your self
@@ilonahenderson9877 Aye, as a fellow Scot I back up your statement
Britanny stands by you. On a clear day, you can even see it, maybe.
indeed ,you also need to join your Celtic cousins ,reclaim your language and governance .
Galicians stand with you! Celtic brothers!
The United Kingdom might break up. But we are going to need some major plate tectonics for Britain to disintegrate.
Lol
Spoken like an Englishman 😂😂😂
bruh ☠️
😂😂😂
@@luxfer7794 it’s the name of the island you dope .
The truth is that rather than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland wanting to break away, we are being pushed away. England (Westminster to be precise) has soured the milk of unity so much that it's no longer palatable. If you really want a strong union, give us a reason to stay.
Are the massive financial subsidies you receive not sufficient?
@@eljay5009not really, considering Scotland gives england way more in tax and resources than what it takes
@@brandenburgquentinthe3rd532 No it doesn't - even the Scottish governments own figures show there is a £19bn deficit (and that includes geographic share of north sea oil).
Based on 2019 figures - Scotland was spending £11,242 per head on public services, compared to the UK average of £9,584, and it has increased since then
Me, an Irishman, hearing how Ireland was merely "strong-armed" into the UK👁👄👁
UN: Scotland do you want independence ?
England: No he does not.
Not sure if this is a serious comment?!
They already had a referendum on it.
Only 20 percent of wales want independence
Most Welsh don’t want independence
UN doesn't encourage bits of nations to split and it certainly does not enforce it... it respects the territorial integrity of established nations. But the UN does encourage internal self determination .... but not external self determination without consent of the parent state. People misunderstand the principal of self determination when it comes to that context... and they wrongly think it applies to all situations. There are two types of self determination... external and internal. External can only be sought with the parent states permission ... internal means some local autonomy such as devolution. The only time external can be sought independently of the parent states will is if people are suffering / dying at the hands of the parent state. Then the UN security council gets involved. I dont think anyone would argue Scotland is in that situation.
A very important detail is that during the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, one of the big remainers' argument was "if you leave the UK, you'll also going to loose EU benefits, and you don't want that to happen". So yeah Brexit is seen by many Scots as a betrayal of the 2014 referendum or at the very least a valid reason to redo the referendum since the situation has changed dramatically.
no because the Brexit referendum was always on the cards because in 2014 UKIP got the most votes in the EU referendum, so David Cameron said he would hold a referendum on EU membership if he got elected in 2015.. which is why the SNP put the clause on its manifesto that they would hold another referendum with material constitutional change. they should have waited until after Brexit to call for a referendum.
A more inportant detail that's conveniently forgotten by the snp is that a yes vote would have seen the snp remove Scotland from the EU the day of the result.
The brexit vote was known about at the time, the remain campaign said the best chance to remain in the EU was to vote NO. There were no promises made or broken.
@c r I think you've quoted the wrong person.
All I said, really quite clearly, is that the snp would have removed Scotland from the EU if they'd got a yes vote in 2014.
@c r I think it should also be clarified that the only people instructed to do anything are those sheep blindly following the snp party policy.
The rest of us are quite happy deciding what we can and can't say in our own homes; we don't need a socialist assembly telling us what we can or cannot do within our homes.
Neither do we need a a named person to raise our children.
Next, you'll be happy to accept the re-writing of history within schools.
Please tell us you aren't that foolish.
Must be frustrating for Scottish being in union where it's voice was overwhelmed by English majority.
I wish American history education would mention all of this. I had no idea Wales considers itself a distinct different part of England. I thought it was just a region of England.
It’s not a part of England or a region of England. It’s a part of the UK.
Wales is one of the oldest European countries and Welsh is the oldest language 🎉🌼
As a foreign who visited both countries:
Scotland you deserve better. I hope Scottish people finally can find freedom from their colonizers.
Ireland was "strong-armed" into The Union, That's a mild way of putting it 😅😂
facts we were beaten into it
Anyone else notice how Ireland shot up to the 8th richest country when not being held back by the Brits.
Actually the Normans were invited to Ireland and Ireland was joined to the Kingdom by marriage..
@@INYOURHEAD.. 12.5 percent corporate tax rate.. which Biden is about to terminate... Its a shame with all that wealth they can't build hospitals in Ireland?
@@anasjudge1937 might wanna go back to history class you are completely wrong on what happened.....
UK: We're being torn apart by ethnical differences!
Austria-Hungary: First time?
Ya its the reason we have countries 😂😂😂
yugoslavia :
@@skwizzzb3904 do you mean the UK needs a Tito like dictator to hold the fragments together?
Scotish Kiss to English Queen 🤣
@@vizibilibende5194 spell Scottish* right
This is a turning point for Britain it won't be called the United Kingdom anymore as Scotland will soon be Independent, N Ireland will soon join Ireland so Wales and England will have to be called rUK (rest of the UK) or little Britain.
It will be called the United Kingdom of wales and powerful England 🏴
@@indiansaredelusional6427 LOL
@@indiansaredelusional6427
so little Britain it is 🤣
It only got to be called the United Kingdom when it 'united' the Kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain. Therefore if Northern Ireland leaves, it won't be the United Kingdom anymore, it will just be Great Britain.
The roots of the problem is still the question; why it is cheaper to import something that can easily be manufactured locally ?
Until this is sorted out and corrected there will never be justice and peace.
The answer is simple, comparative advantage.
Because there are more costs associated with manufacturing than transportation.
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Scottish man: "I'm going to wave that french flag just to annoy the english."
@Richard Taylor Smith Yes and till the 1990's, every citizen of France and Scotland had the right to ask the other nationality.
And Algeria allies with uk to fight France
@@mrcool2107 ??? what is Algeria has to do with Scotland ?
meh.. actually.. the french are a bit terrified of the laws you've passed lately guys. 4 years for owning an "offensive book" ? cops arresting people for twiting the picture of a sufragette's ribon? We'd rather you go back to being a democracy before you join, the EU is tyranical enough as it is.
@@backintimealwyn5736 enjoying Brexit eh
If they entered this relationship willingly, shouldn’t they be able to leave willingly?
@Mr Brightside what a demented and sinister response. That’s their land you pillock
@Mr Brightside Mr Not-so-very-Bright 🙄
@Mr Brightside maybe we should have told that to brexit supporters in regards to the EU.
@Mr Brightside The only economic disaster that will come from Scottish independence would be suffered by England . They can ill afford to lose the money generated within Scotland and it’s sovereign waters . Add on the mega pressure coming from the White House to prevent independence for military reasons ( nuclear subs on the Clyde ) . You only have to see the utter incompetence emanating from Downing Street with the farce of Green , Amber countries and the non stop arrivals from India to realise that Scotland cannot do worse .
Well no actually , they willingly signed into a union where legally they couldn’t just leave on there own , it had to be approved by Westminster, that was the rules set forth in law. So they willingly joined a union that they couldn’t just leave at their will
England was never a wealthy nation compared to Scotland to the extent that in 1921 they stopped publishing the figures on taxes paid to the English exchequer, as for the exporting to England we actually export through England and they claim the export taxes as being English. To say this is a biased piece of reporting would be an understatement. These taxation figures are a blatant lie Scotland has never been in debt.
The Scottish government publish their own figures. These figures show that Scotland is currently running a budget deficit of well over £23bn per year (12.3% of their GDP).
Scotland and England are not one people
Absolutely not...have you ever tried speaking to a scotchman?
@@lovelybitofbugle219 my best friend is Scottish which is another reason i dont want Scotland to leave i shouldn't have to cross a border to go see them.
@@that_lewis_guy6953 They hate English people. I'm English.
@@that_lewis_guy6953 You already do cross a border to visit Scotland, we are not a region of Britain. It is the legal entries to England that are causing so much chaos & your Londonstan masters are doing nothing worthy of name to stop these alpha-male economic chancers & criminals.
Wales + England = Wangland
Bunch of Wangers. 😂
Engles
🤣🤣 brilliant
Walland
They become... Chinese?
Tony Blair did not watch the British sitcom/documentary "Yes Minister". Regionalism will only descend further into regionalism if you grant it. Tony is a fool.
It may have worked in Wales though tbh. The Independance movement is at the highest estimate standing around 39%, lower estimates put it at less than 20%. Probably somewhere in the middle.
Devolution is all most Welsh really wanted, the say in the running of their own country. Generally we are perfectly happy remaining as part of the Union.
The comment I was looking for. Sir Humphrey ftw!
@@alganhar1 might be best in the long-run. Scotland certainly has the natural resources to compete. What would an independent Wales have, I genuinely wonder?
Oh Humphrey
@@victort.9466 does that mean we've become a moral vacuum?
The man I completely right.
Even educated persons sometimes use England in place of Britain but we will never hear people saying Scotland instead of Britain
Even I remember teachers saying Britain is England, while I was in junior and elementary school,. After I grew then I knew the difference between Britain, Scotland, Wales, England, northern Ireland.
England should have a referendum as to whether it wants to be a part of the uk. I think people might be surprised by the result.
Well Wales and England would most likely stay together since they both share similar views even though they both share similar views and northern Ireland isn't supported as much as it used to be both the English and Irish support Northern Ireland's return due to the fact that the UK pays more to northern Ireland than it actually generates
In Slovakia we had the same story. Slovakia within Czechoslovakia was in the beggining of 90ths having much lower GDP than Czechia. Years after the gaap is closings. We have much better relation with eatch other than ever. No blaming game who is subsidising who and who is taking decision. I wish both to England and Scotland nice future and believe the break of UK will not be the end but the new beggining:-)
Exactly. The casus of Czechoslovakia is the most valid for all arguments for and against the split of Scotland and England.
However, after the split, both countries of former Czechoslovakia get access to a larger market and Union with the EU. Here we have one part of Union - England and Wales - which voted for brexit and the second part - Scotland (and N.Ireland) - which wanted to stay in the EU.
The problem with Scotland is - when they had referendum, England told them they would bar them from access to EU. After the Brexit, Scotland wanting to join EU will have to sort their border with England. To have a physical border with your biggest market is a pain and recipe for an economical downturn. It can be done, it is not impossible, but it is a pain - just look at the position of post communist countries after 1989, the USRR was their biggest market and it took years for them to realign with other markets.
Practically, after leaving the UK, Scotland will be bound to stay with them with little chance to get access to large EU market.
If they want to think themselves as a new Denmark or Slovakia - they have similar size of population - to do so, they will need to sever their close links with England. I don't think there is enough will to do so in Scotland.
Northern Ireland is better of joining the Republic of Ireland and Scotland a independent country.
No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
@@Abraham_Tsfaye It’s broken by those catalyse division on empty words and half truths.
I’m Welsh. I go across the border to England, am I looked at or treated any differently? No. When the English come into Wales, do I treat them any differently? No. Same applies with every nation within the union. The idea of there being massive division and hatred in reality is entirely false. What does cause tension? Damaging political based movements that start to affect everyday life when there were no issues before.
Really incredible how you guys split.
@@lm8348 Yeah I have never known anyone in England to genuinely hate the welsh or scots.
The British: We want out of the EU we don't want others ruling over us.
Scotland & N.Ireland: We feel the same way about the you English bummers !
The British: Wait...what?
The scots have very few exports and the oil they do have we took most of it
Also british people visiting Scotland gives the economy a massive boost
@ΤηεΒεστ ΟφΜε becasue they are apart of the united kingdom, for the money england gets back it distributes it throughout the states, Scotland because it produces very little will obviously get a smaller portion, thats what makes a kindgom, also youd lose you british passports and intern lose one of the most powerfull ones and re enter a dying european union
sinn fein
@@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050 Whisky export is 6billion a year, Beef export is 4bn a year.
Absolutely absurd and onanistic effort by SNP. A broken vase is impossible to put together again.
Salty Saes mad
The English have left the Euro, it is the continuation, now Scotland wants its freedom.
Long live free Scotland! the United Kingdom just had to think about it before withdrawing from the European Union.
Lol Ireland being "strong armed" into the UK is quite an understatement...
Irish murdered by England she means !!!
While Scotland became roommates which their richer friend and never left out of habit, Ireland was forced into the house at gunpoint and chained to the kitchen sink.
@William Linley lol that's probably one of the dumbest comments I've seen on here. You know there's a video right now of an Israeli settler using exactly the same logic to break into a Palestinians backyard and tell them their house now belongs to him because "If I don't take it, someone else will"?
Its completely irrelevant whether "some other country" could always have invaded because it never happened. UK brutally colonised Ireland, drove its inhabitants into starvation, and have been downplaying it ever since...
@William Linley Reporting on historical events accurately is not "hating" anyone. It's just facts. If British people are too triggered to face up to them, that's their problem.
@William Linley Well then we're going off topic because I'm talking about just accurately recounting the colonisation of Ireland, and how hard it seems for British media outlets to just report basic facts
“Strong armed” is Apparently English for “taken by force”
Whats the phrase for the Roman Empire conquering the then known world? Scusa?
@@budgie204 that's not true, Romans never conquered Sino-China and Indian civilization. These civilizations were highly developed at the time, had thousands year of civilization and history already and was well known by Romans and others
@@0xabhi Yeah, I should've added the Greek and Mongolian Empires.
All these complainers make a fundamental error by not putting the bill at the doorstep of the Brexit promotors.
The Economist : Please end the UK peacefully.
Wales : Of course, no problem!
Scotland : What other way would we have it!?
Northern Ireland : Ehhmm..
The Irish remember
France: I'm not playing any cards there, honhonhon
Alot of people in Wales voted for Brexit so next time see amount of leave votes.
There was peace in NI till the brits showed up
It's been Westminster ministers and MPs going about about having armed guards at a Scottish/ English border. Remember Ed Milliband and his drivel?
I like how wales doesnt get it's own spot on the thumbnail. Its always been funny to me that it is not considered it's own thing. It's always Scotland, northern Ireland, and then England an Wales.
it is on thumbnail...
@@ephebofreedomfighter8698 ye but it's just show as a piece of england splitting of the side. Its not got it's own colour and its not enlarged like scotland and ireland.
Wales is much close tied to England that Scotland or Ireland.
@@Buboes1 yeh some of our towns merge into england...
I fully agree, even in the replies to this comment people have diminished wales. Wales is very much distinct from England. Welsh is the most commonly spoken of the Celtic languages, we have a rich history. Our historic figures just aren’t taught as much, and aren’t as big a part of pop culture. Owning glyndwr, the last prince of wales, fought fiercely for wales. The legend of King Arthur is a welsh one, despite what the bbc want you to think. The welsh people are the oldest inhabitants of Britain. To act like there isn’t a divide between the English and the Welsh is ignorant. The welsh independence movement is also growing exponentially. Until just over a century ago most of wales was still welsh speaking, and English tourists needed translation books to be able to visit most areas. Just because England has done better at silencing us, partly by beating children who spoke welsh until they spoke English, partly by taking all our resources without paying us for them, and many other things, that doesn’t mean we aren’t still here. ‘Yea o hyd’
Scotland should be given into Scotland people
The problem is that the Brits treated EVERYONE terribly historically.
The Scots want to leave.
The Irish wants to leave.
The welsh ?
You do know that the Scots and Welsh are "Brits". The island of Great Britain (from which British people hail) is comprised of the three countries of England Scotland and Wales.
"England joined with Wales in 1536" hahahah, so basically what you are saying is:
-Spain "joined" with the Americas in 1492
-The Ottoman Empire "joined" with the Balkans in the 1400's
-Germany "joined" with Poland in 1939
British hypocrisy and double talks at its best. For any other country that would have been "invaded" and "occupied" instead.
“England joined with wales”
*Prince Llewelyn’s decapitated head being paraded though the streets of London*
Britain before : I used to rule more than 1/3 rd of the world
Britain now : please Scotland support us :(
1/4*
Scotland is Britain.
@@thefaithful5218 but now more people don't want to be in the union
@@hadilol Doesn't stop it from being Britain it's the British isles just like leaving the EU doesn't stop you from being European.
Scotland is Britain, but Scotland is nowhere near supporting the UK. London alone has a higher GDP than Scotland lol
This sort of situation has happened so many times in so many smaller and less powerful countries around the world. History shows that when a country truly wants independence from the English crown, they tend to get it one way or another. I'm just glad that for now things are being handled with some modicum of civility and not outward violence. Scotland really has to consider all the factors before jumping into independence. Take a hard look at how small, oil-rich nations do when the chains of an empire are taken off. Lots of countries think vast oil reserves equals the ability to just import everything they need but when the meet literally any barrier to those imports the country falls into chaos. Iraq, Venezuela, heck even Russia suffers from over-reliance on imports just because they struggle to diversify their economy enough. Scotland has other natural resources, and it's infrastructure needs are different given it's relatively lower population, but it will inevitably need to work out some kind of partnership with the UK in the interest of defense, finance, agriculture and anything else Scotland needs but does not naturally posses. The rest of the UK, will of course conversely be forced to pay for a lot of basic needs it naturally gets from Scotland, like said oil, but also it's water and many other specialty goods. Regardless of what they call themselves or what they consider themselves Scotland and England can't survive without each other.
Hi, I'm new to this topic & have been scrolling down to see this comment gain less likes than the other ones & I think this is somewhat true & that (s)he looks well versed. Can someone give me & to those who are reading these comments the counterargument?
Boris always looks like he just rolled out of bed.
Can't he afford a comb.???
if the scots want their independence they should have it...
Yeah. The sooner the better .
Forget referendum . Just give them it! Anything to get rid of them.!
@@2msvalkyrie529 haha you need us to be as rich as you are bunch of freaks
They have voted multiple times and they can never actually pick
But they don't, the people already said that they love their country🇬🇧
@@JozeManuLOL only less than half of them love uk
This is journalism no one sided arguments it’s a clean non political leaning video explaining the two sides of the Scottish independence movement
Some punctuation marks may help ya
@@bond8436 Democracy is all about choice. Being able to make choices is what separates Democratic states from autocratic despotic states. Denying choice is what despots do. Maybe if the terms and conditions of the first referendum were met then there wouldnt be the need for a second one so soon eh?
@@bond8436 the situation has clearly changed. you don't keep a leader indefinitely simply because they were once popular, why are referendums different?
@@maxsimilion8193 😂 What choice? Choose to follow the will of some people who happen to make wrong decisions and could lead your future to obscurity? In this case it would be disasters.
yes i hate it when conservatives are supressed and mocked just for being selfish, bootlicking pigs who only care about bettering their own lives.
I have supported Scottish independence all my life and I still do. i joined the SNP when I was a schoolboy of 14 or 15 and couldn't wait to get started working for independence.
As time went on, I became increasingly disillusioned by the approach the SNP was taking. To my mind the task was independence and the restoration of our national sovereignty. All the other issues should be left until after that was achieved. The SNP on the other hand was generating a host of policies that could not be implemented until after independence and some of which alienated independence supporters. The most damaging of these policies precluded using general elections to attain independence. Only referenda could be used. That viewpoint was and still is ridiculous. There is no constitutional block in the UK to using a general election to settle any matter whatsoever. A clear majority gives any party the right to rule and implement policies that many people do not agree with. Tory and Labour governments have both done so and done so with less that half of the electorate. Neither of these parties support proportional representation either. I noticed recently that Sunak and Starmer were in agreement in making the bogus claim that a general election could not settle the independence issue.
When the SNP return to the policy of using the next general election as the springboard to independence I will happily support them again. Sadly I can see no sign of a clear concensus gathering behind that position and Alba seem no better.
I hope these nations can achieve their independence without affecting the economy of their respective territories, because if they're tired of British control over their lands then they should at least have a say on the mater, like the old colonies of the British empire and their subsequent independence
What they never seem to ask themselves is. Westminster won't mitigate a 2nd bedroom in England, but believe they mitigate a whole country. 😂 Priceless
we'd probably have a similar situation as northern ireland has, as in we can trade with the EU but have special trade relations with rUK
English people and Scottish are basically the same people, in Scotland they speak English than Scots, also there is so much intermarriage and mixed families between them.
British; We are getting divided.
India: First time?
Normie
Karma on a country-sized level!
Africans and Arabs : Amateurs
Three nation theory the UK!
Myanmar:First time?
Scotland would have been a richer country than England had it been independent when the oil was discovered, since the oil sat outside their coast it was theirs. Instead all the revenues went to London.
Not likely. The SNP would've squandered it all away just like Chavez did in Venezuela. Still waiting on that $150/barrel of oil price that the SNP projected and based all of their budgeting assumptions on a few short years ago.
@@TheJeremyHolloway They can learn from Norway and live better.
@@TheJeremyHolloway And why would there even be an SNP if Scotland had been an independent country?!
@@mikecharters5770 Czech Slovak became more rich and strong than it on union of Austria Hungaria
Wasn't it American technology that got the oil flowing
Scotland's economy wasn't left in debt after the Darien Scheme collapsed; only the rich were broke. Scotland's economy was sound but Scots were taxed by England after the Union to pay England's national debt accrued through foreign trade wars. The Darien Scheme was only embarked upon because of the English Navigation Acts which prevented Scotland from trading with North America.
` If Scotland were to break away from Britain` , Britain is a geographical area not a political union.
Just so we're all clear, Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain, it's part of the UK. Britain is an island. Hence why the full name is the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'
SORRY the ONLY BRITONS LIVE In Wales!! The SAXON WORD FOR FOREIGNERS
Northern Ireland only exists because when a vote to leave the UK in Ireland which had been kept in the UK by force, 26 of the 32 counties voted to leave, the remaining 6 which were predominantly Protestants who were transplanted from England and Scotland voted to remain in the UK. The British government of the day decided with their idea of a democratic election let those six counties remain because they said there would be armed insurrection . That's it in a nut shell.
I've never understood why the UK has remained a unitary state rather than a federation like Canada or Australia. There are certainly greater distinctions between the four countries that make up the UK than there are between Canadian provinces or Australian states (Quebec notwithstanding). Sounds like a better alternative than a full on breakup to me.
There is barely any difference between English and Scottish people. Place is full of immigrants anyway
It's very different mate I mean I don't hate the English just the fuds in parliament
That was the point of devolution. Devolution can be similar to federalising. Look at Spain. Every bit of it is autonomous.
In Scotland’s case, there’s no real difference between the two. If I compare the Scottish parliament to Western Australia’s parliament, I can’t see any major difference in power. Each parliament legislates on matters regarding internal matters and the UK/Commonwealth government legislates on external matters.
@@stevenwood433 interesting a lot of the horrible politicians in the Westminster Parliament have been Scottish, if not by birth then education😄