is it justifiable to be pissed about the leaks? kinda wish we had the proper full buildup, made me super fucking excited to play in general and to wait for the full soundtrack that gets added, and i'm still tilted that we didn't get that for El. also it's both good and disappointing that shotgun stance didn't stick, both because it was very good and very unique that altered how you played around the stance itself, but at the same time has a really high command grab, a tumblethrough that has s, and a 2f on whiff/block jab (it at least feels like 2frames, idk if it actually is.) at least old 5D (Charged) animation stuck, the final sparks of Order Sol left in the game.
I remember when I was excited for Strive and knew nothing about fighting games (all id done was a little mashing in DBFZ for the switch, and that was mostly just practicing Sbroly combos lmao) i gave Xrd a quick download and tried some characters, and when i booted up elphelt and got to her shotgun stance, i was like "oh neat, you have some followups and can actually reload to fire another shell, i wonder how fast it lets you do it" and even then i was shook when i realized the answer was "basically as fast as you can input it" i was like how is that not busted??
@@itsshauta they also historically don't keep top tiers in the same level tho (outside of one game cycle)......except maybe Dizzy but I don't remember how strong she is in XX and Xrd
I can understand the hate for her, but if they can put Sin and Johnny in the game and they are not immediately in the meta (as far as I know rn as of writing this). I feel like she will be fine.
I'm just imagining he made like "Why people Strongly Dislike" for every likely candidate for a returning character for Strive and just keeps them in his pocket for just after the character is announced.
"People were constantly being like 'Well this is the patch where they'll nerf her' 'This is the patch where they'll nerf her', and they never really went too far" Now that doesnt sound familiar at all... 🧛🏿♂️
First, she's only really hated outside of Japan (Main competitive scene in Xrd). Most japanese tier lists consider her a mid-high tier, but not an actual top tier character. (Very based) Second, you CAN block during stance, she's not Leo, lmao, one of the main reasons her SG pressure is good is that you can't easily burst it, because she can easily block it after reload by going from 7 to 8, which doesn't move her, bc she can't jump in the stance, so you can still charge the shot while blocking someone's burst. Anyway, I'm happy for Elphelt haters that my fave character is now just a Noel Vermilion function character in Strive.
Speaking on the concept at 5:00, where getting full combos off of everything makes the character easier to use their gameplan, I agree wholeheartedly. I played mostly Leo in Xrd, and this is why. I liked Ky and Millia too, but it was so much harder to figure out how to route in the moment based on poke spacing to try to get your setplay going. Leo just did rekkas into backturn oki anywhere on screen, and i could RC stuff into an air combo with a restand if i wanted to. I sucked at the game, but Leo carried me. I feel like this concept is true in every game, and i felt it in street fighter too, but in Xrd it was night and day difference. The speed and complexity of the game made it so that having a reliable bnb that started your gameplan from a midscreen max range 5k was *so* valuable. That was the biggest barrier to entry for Millia imo: and still is in strive. If you drop a combo, she gets almost no reward. Its very punishing.
I'm glad there's a video like this. I was surprised by the amount of hate/dislike of Elphelt when her trailer came out. I was wondering why, could it be because of her lore or something? because I have never played previous GG iteration besides the PS1, only to play again in GGST.
Funny seeing the bit where you hit Millia fS vs crouch when trying to explain the combo conversion thing lol. I get it in the end but it's one of the couple situations where she does legit get to convert. If you ask me the main reason people seem to HATE Elphelt is just that a lot of pro players hated Elphelt very vocally, like Kizzie Kay and, well, you. So that hate spreads around and is then, now, repeated by people who have never bothered trying to learn how to IB her strings, or worse, have never even fought her to begin with. She's strong as hell, but literally every one of her strengths that she has, Johnny just legit does better, but he's not complained about nearly as much because pro players didn't complain about him nearly as much. The one TRULY wack thing she has is pineberry explosion overwriting hitstun cmon man it's supposed to be a punish but sometimes she just gets out of combos for free, real fun. It's probably the only thing I'd change about her if I had to, besides just lowering damage on command grab or something
Johnny has a throw invulnerable command throw in Xrd? And delayable air projectile (or for that matter any projectile without a limited supply per round)? You can totally argue for Johnny being a stronger character overall, but he doesn't do everything she does better. He does different things better.
@@ShjadeNexayre Coin being limited doesn't functionally matter in any Xrd match, and his normal throw already functions as a command grab anyway, with mashing on it being liable to get you killed into the sun. He does not have the same exact tools as Elphelt but their win conditions are the same, and he does them better
A couple things I want to add. With the grenade if you threw it and did super, the grenade would continue to travel through the screen freeze giving her a huge damage option to contest you trying to contest her. The most egregious thing IMO is the shot gun stance charged fire not being able to be blitzed at the very edge of the shot. That move should have been the metric for blitz across the game, it is unacceptable that this range in particular from a shot gun has a range that is immune to the close projectile negation mechanic. Blitz should have been a powerful tool to contest that pressure and it just wasn't because of that.
Strive is so different. Personally, I loved Ram in Xrd, but I do not play her in strive. Never liked Testament before, they're my main now. it's just different.
That's funny. Testament was really interesting trap character before with lots of possibilities and player expression, but now it's just a standard simple character.
looking at the Starter guide, she plays like... NOEL VERMILLION FROM BB??? THANK GOD its not HC 2, but chain combos is kinda weird, cuz i havent played BB that much so i dont know how they work or how to exploit it, but im pretty sure all those Noel mains have their moment to shine
Coming from Blazblue/Melty blood/Fighterz/ect... The ability to combo or setup after just about any hit seems perfectly normal to me, which is probably why the only strong opinion I have about her is that I tend not to play characters that have "tee hee, I tripped" looking gameplay.
I think SG is suffering from a similar problem xrd had, but is 3v3, so strive 3v3 is going to be the natural progression and skullgirls is behind the times
Honestly I have no problem with her. At least she has an actual kit and doesn't rely on just shooting (looking at you Crappy Chaos). The best dressed lady in all of fighting games. Glad to see her back.
so sad............I LOVE HER, been my main since XRD and I never even touch Strive just because she wasn't there...............she is now, I just order the game XD.
nah LK you are being too soft... A booba character conceptually, with all the tools, insane oki, +6 divekick, 6p overhead, command grab, insanely stupid shotgun stance. She is my definition of an obnoxious MU. Glad she is a shell of herself in Strive, she has no HKD or oki setups
People have been talking about her since the leak a few days ago. So the conversation's been going much longer than the announcement. I'm sure he had the video prepped, and simply had the courtesy and class to not post it before an official announcement.
IDK man. People cant use Xrd as example to judge Strive versions of the same character. Strive have completely chaged a lot of characters unique gameplays
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is it justifiable to be pissed about the leaks? kinda wish we had the proper full buildup, made me super fucking excited to play in general and to wait for the full soundtrack that gets added, and i'm still tilted that we didn't get that for El.
also it's both good and disappointing that shotgun stance didn't stick, both because it was very good and very unique that altered how you played around the stance itself, but at the same time has a really high command grab, a tumblethrough that has s, and a 2f on whiff/block jab (it at least feels like 2frames, idk if it actually is.)
at least old 5D (Charged) animation stuck, the final sparks of Order Sol left in the game.
@@NemSumeragi *Looks at message. Looks at Urahara avatar* Checks out.
literally can't hear it
That “top tier (male) vs top tier (female)” pic is always gonna be true about xrd lmfao
lol where do you find it?
@@Traewulonglook up guilty gear honest top tier
@@Chester123569 I couldnt find that specific one haha. its okay tho
@@Traewulongits johnny versus elphelt
I like to think that LK pre-recorded a video for every possible character reveal and saw the Game Awards and just hit publish lmao
Deep in the LK server room, the video "Why Guilty Gear Players STRONGLY DISLIKE Leopaldon" lurks, waiting to be unleashed upon the world...
I’m pretty sure elphelt was leaked before this vid
The timing of this is hilarious
Miss Charlotte timing!
XD
It is intentional.
*ITS WHY HE'S THE GOAT* 😂
not gonna lie, im gonna miss her guns and roses esque design, but itll be pretty interesting to see how much of the kit gets into strive
I remember when I was excited for Strive and knew nothing about fighting games (all id done was a little mashing in DBFZ for the switch, and that was mostly just practicing Sbroly combos lmao) i gave Xrd a quick download and tried some characters, and when i booted up elphelt and got to her shotgun stance, i was like "oh neat, you have some followups and can actually reload to fire another shell, i wonder how fast it lets you do it" and even then i was shook when i realized the answer was "basically as fast as you can input it" i was like how is that not busted??
Turns out it was busted lmao
when are Strive players going to realise that a character being one way in an older game has very limited impact on their strive incarnation?
lol people realized it 2 years ago.
@@SoriokuThe way people react to every single returning character doesn't lead me to believe that in the slightest.
See Jack-O for reference.
If you don't have PTSD from ArcSys' historically wack-ass balancing, you just can't understand.
@@itsshauta they also historically don't keep top tiers in the same level tho (outside of one game cycle)......except maybe Dizzy but I don't remember how strong she is in XX and Xrd
Being able to block her own frag must have drove some people up a wall.
the timing of uploading this and the elphelt trailer is phenomenal
Elphelt was trending because of the leaks, not a surprise
Thankfully in strive she's been reworked heavily. From what I gather she's more a rekka style character now meaning she is rhythm based
This is the fastest "aged like fine wine" I've ever seen
And Elphelt just got announced as a dlc fir Strive lol
I can understand the hate for her, but if they can put Sin and Johnny in the game and they are not immediately in the meta (as far as I know rn as of writing this). I feel like she will be fine.
Elphelt got a lot of shit but nothing put me off watching a top 8 set than there being a Johnny player included in Xrd.
I just wanna see Hotashi sweep in tourneys 😂
@@legefy He tips you a quarter for taking the L
Strive and Xrd are different games. Even if Elphelt had same stuff here in Strive, she wouldn't be able to do same things anyways.
3 weeks later- annoying as hell to fight. I can not name a matchup more infuriating.
Legendary for recording this so early 🙏
Bravo on the timing of this video. You should win big with this.
I'm just imagining he made like "Why people Strongly Dislike" for every likely candidate for a returning character for Strive and just keeps them in his pocket for just after the character is announced.
"People were constantly being like 'Well this is the patch where they'll nerf her' 'This is the patch where they'll nerf her', and they never really went too far"
Now that doesnt sound familiar at all... 🧛🏿♂️
I do feel the way nago has been (overall) handled is way better than the way they treated the balancing in the past
what would you change about nago?
First, she's only really hated outside of Japan (Main competitive scene in Xrd). Most japanese tier lists consider her a mid-high tier, but not an actual top tier character. (Very based)
Second, you CAN block during stance, she's not Leo, lmao, one of the main reasons her SG pressure is good is that you can't easily burst it, because she can easily block it after reload by going from 7 to 8, which doesn't move her, bc she can't jump in the stance, so you can still charge the shot while blocking someone's burst.
Anyway, I'm happy for Elphelt haters that my fave character is now just a Noel Vermilion function character in Strive.
He said "you can block". Check the captions if you disagree.
Man, i really REALLY hope we get Raven in strive.
Same
please no....
Speaking on the concept at 5:00, where getting full combos off of everything makes the character easier to use their gameplan, I agree wholeheartedly. I played mostly Leo in Xrd, and this is why. I liked Ky and Millia too, but it was so much harder to figure out how to route in the moment based on poke spacing to try to get your setplay going. Leo just did rekkas into backturn oki anywhere on screen, and i could RC stuff into an air combo with a restand if i wanted to. I sucked at the game, but Leo carried me.
I feel like this concept is true in every game, and i felt it in street fighter too, but in Xrd it was night and day difference. The speed and complexity of the game made it so that having a reliable bnb that started your gameplan from a midscreen max range 5k was *so* valuable. That was the biggest barrier to entry for Millia imo: and still is in strive. If you drop a combo, she gets almost no reward. Its very punishing.
I'm glad there's a video like this. I was surprised by the amount of hate/dislike of Elphelt when her trailer came out. I was wondering why, could it be because of her lore or something? because I have never played previous GG iteration besides the PS1, only to play again in GGST.
bro really had this jawn locked and loaded
Funny seeing the bit where you hit Millia fS vs crouch when trying to explain the combo conversion thing lol. I get it in the end but it's one of the couple situations where she does legit get to convert.
If you ask me the main reason people seem to HATE Elphelt is just that a lot of pro players hated Elphelt very vocally, like Kizzie Kay and, well, you. So that hate spreads around and is then, now, repeated by people who have never bothered trying to learn how to IB her strings, or worse, have never even fought her to begin with. She's strong as hell, but literally every one of her strengths that she has, Johnny just legit does better, but he's not complained about nearly as much because pro players didn't complain about him nearly as much.
The one TRULY wack thing she has is pineberry explosion overwriting hitstun cmon man it's supposed to be a punish but sometimes she just gets out of combos for free, real fun. It's probably the only thing I'd change about her if I had to, besides just lowering damage on command grab or something
Johnny has a throw invulnerable command throw in Xrd? And delayable air projectile (or for that matter any projectile without a limited supply per round)?
You can totally argue for Johnny being a stronger character overall, but he doesn't do everything she does better. He does different things better.
@@ShjadeNexayre Coin being limited doesn't functionally matter in any Xrd match, and his normal throw already functions as a command grab anyway, with mashing on it being liable to get you killed into the sun. He does not have the same exact tools as Elphelt but their win conditions are the same, and he does them better
Wonder how LordKnight took the news. Woulda liked to have seen it, lol.
A couple things I want to add. With the grenade if you threw it and did super, the grenade would continue to travel through the screen freeze giving her a huge damage option to contest you trying to contest her. The most egregious thing IMO is the shot gun stance charged fire not being able to be blitzed at the very edge of the shot. That move should have been the metric for blitz across the game, it is unacceptable that this range in particular from a shot gun has a range that is immune to the close projectile negation mechanic. Blitz should have been a powerful tool to contest that pressure and it just wasn't because of that.
Strive is so different. Personally, I loved Ram in Xrd, but I do not play her in strive. Never liked Testament before, they're my main now. it's just different.
That's funny. Testament was really interesting trap character before with lots of possibilities and player expression, but now it's just a standard simple character.
what the hell the timing lmao
“Demonic DLC character”
*Laughs in pre-nerf UI Goku*
SHE IS BACK FEEL MY WRATH!!
man, how often LK blinks made me very conscious of my own blinking and I start to manually blink AHHHHHHHHH
One hour later, they reveal her in strive
Bro Elphelt's physics are crazy
Just an hour before she was revealed at the game awards for strive LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂
“The only characters your allowed to like is your own” you god damn right…. Where the fuck is Slayer SAMA!!!!
Still stuck in the Daisuke Dimension™
40 mins before her trailer, this vid shall bang
fully Goated release timing
Mans didnt even mention Anji on returning xx characters that skipped xrd. And xx anji is fucked up
Now we just need the Arakune video to round out the hated character GOATs
looking at the Starter guide, she plays like... NOEL VERMILLION FROM BB??? THANK GOD its not HC 2, but chain combos is kinda weird, cuz i havent played BB that much so i dont know how they work or how to exploit it, but im pretty sure all those Noel mains have their moment to shine
dlc chars do need to be stronger initially to compensate for lack of experience and to motivate purchases
Coming from Blazblue/Melty blood/Fighterz/ect... The ability to combo or setup after just about any hit seems perfectly normal to me, which is probably why the only strong opinion I have about her is that I tend not to play characters that have "tee hee, I tripped" looking gameplay.
that close slash anti-air popping bottles was the cherry on top.
"Speothos Venaticus!"
Giovanna: Easy, now. It's the name of the band.
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Lets go Lord LK with the quick upload
Dont care, she’s wife
Capcom pulled the same shit against zangief making spd not imune to throws. It's fucking infuriating.
oml I have like 300 hours in this game and I didn't know I could hit the grenade lmao
he willed it into existence
Elfelt added to strive literally an hour after this video is posted
He was watching the VGA waiting for them to announce her before posting and got tired of waiting
You won't see me complaining, but I'm at such a low rank that I can sometimes dunk on Happy as Giovanna.
I think SG is suffering from a similar problem xrd had, but is 3v3, so strive 3v3 is going to be the natural progression and skullgirls is behind the times
absolutely great timing
Honestly I have no problem with her. At least she has an actual kit and doesn't rely on just shooting (looking at you Crappy Chaos). The best dressed lady in all of fighting games. Glad to see her back.
Very informative, the whole converting out of every stray move
I ain't worried. No way is bridal express gonna be worse than current Beyblade or shotgun worse than Chaos
Me: Is a fan of Dizzy and Elphelt (in that order)
Short answer: she's not slayer
The sfv sakura 5k is always hilarious to see people get tight about lmao
Did LK do a video in this series for Jam yet?
Love Elphelt, favorite character and aesthetic.
Lmao, let's how she does in Strive
I realized how much chip she gets from her shotgun alone. I feel sick looking at it
Your timing is divine.
As a i-no main her wake up and low profil normals are very annoying too
Finally, a reason to pick the game back up
i saw your tweet today buddy you can’t fool me
Its a dark timeline, but I never played xrd and she sounds like how it is to fight against HC in Strive for me, painful
Get off my damn 2d queen
Oh the timing
This title is a pure definition of euphemism...
so sad............I LOVE HER, been my main since XRD and I never even touch Strive just because she wasn't there...............she is now, I just order the game XD.
Leaving this comment here for when Lord Knight looks at Season 4 changes for Elphelt in Strive. 😂😂😂😂😂
LK confirmed psychic
This was already leaked like early today lmfao
I'm glad Daisuke invited Lost Soul back to guilty gear
meanwhile you and like 4 others ive seen saying bad things, everyone else ive seen is hyped as hell. echo chambers are truly an experience :^)
they talking about xrd elphelt (she was busted af)
those player that dislike her, are in the room with us right now?
Can it really be worse than Happy Chaos? I think not.
does chaos have unblockables?
This aged perfectly, lmfao
nah LK you are being too soft...
A booba character conceptually, with all the tools, insane oki, +6 divekick, 6p overhead, command grab, insanely stupid shotgun stance. She is my definition of an obnoxious MU.
Glad she is a shell of herself in Strive, she has no HKD or oki setups
The second I seen the reveal I thought "LK is somewhere hating right now" LOL Sry bro. She's back😅
Bro DEFINITELY had this premade 😂😂
the timing
pachi wanted her to be “expressive…”
Lk had this video PRIMED for the game awards lmao
Could you manifest robo ky next, brother
Bro had this shit locked and fucking loaded lmao hell yeah
Whats a character in GG that has to worry about everything, but is top tier
Whats funny is this was js b4 the game awards annouced her for strive
People have been talking about her since the leak a few days ago. So the conversation's been going much longer than the announcement. I'm sure he had the video prepped, and simply had the courtesy and class to not post it before an official announcement.
What leak? Link?
Wow, that was fast.
YRC timestop to Old Yeller 😔
the timing lol
I have some bad news for you…
IDK man. People cant use Xrd as example to judge Strive versions of the same character. Strive have completely chaged a lot of characters unique gameplays
Whole game is different, it's not only about characters.
Shes back babyyyy😂
man..... this coming out is very funny lmfao ELPHELT IN STRIVE BABY
I just wanna know when will they give us slayer back
So she's the Ramlethal of Xrd? I guess tons of characters can convert off everything in Strive so maybe this is the game she's suited for.
*HAD TO COME SEE THIS ONE*
I'm glad the only real bullshit she has in strive is frame 16 overhead (on crouchers)
i have actually zero care for how good elphelt may be i just hate the stupid marriage goblin
Hmmm i wondrr why he's talking about her now