Sea The Stars in 2009 did what no other Thoroughbred ever did. He won the 2,000 Guineas, Epsom Derby and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe - plus three other top Group 1's. Sea The Stars is a half-brother to Galileo.
First time I ever heard of a gelding that won 4 of 27 and Aus$36K being qualified as the greatest race horse ever, but I assume his mummy and daddy love him very much ;-)
DoubleDogDare54 in fairness you’ll find I was extremely unlucky in 23 of those races. No Winx like benefit races where my trainer packed the field with 6 stablemates!
I totally agree. He is the best race horse EVER!!!! Im getting a chestnut Thoroughbred soon. I got the movie Secretariat at home now.XD I love Secretariat
Secretariat and Zenyatta often did come from behind like True Brew did in this race. I love that style of racing but it often is unsuccessful because of traffic troubles. I always thought the Aussies liked Phar Lap and Black Caviar the best.Secretariat was the sire of their Melbourne Cup winner who still holds the fastest time for that race.
Just watched a doco about secretariat and wow omg what a horse, I don’t think it’s fair to compare champions and single out 1 only, there’s different eras and track conditions etc, lets talk about horses like Kingston town, Pharlap, Makybe diva- 3 Melbourne cups, Black caviar, Wynx undefeated in 29 starts so far and won an unequalled 4 Cox plates, Bernborough, Tulloch, the list goes on, Archer who in 1861 and 62 was walked 1000 kilometres to enter and arrived the day before and won it twice, the list and the stories go on all throughout history, I love horses and love a champion and I don’t like to compare anyone as the greatest ever.
Secretariat is the greatest race horse of all time. This is 2019 and Secretariat is still the greatest race horse of all time you can even look it up.🐎
and it is truly amazing and something from another world manowar wouldn't see him in the first 1/4 mile in a match race he just didn't have the heart to do so ,,,book closed that's it don't bother arguing there is no argument you cant argue with nature,,,sec is not only the greatest racehorse ever he Is greatest athlete ever
+Chris B Black Caviar was better than Zenyatta I'm afraid. That's not knocking Zenyatta either as she was a star. There are a few better in history though.....
I don't see what makes this horse the "greatest thoroughbred race horse ever" I also don't see why people are arguing about horses. And some people on both sides arguing about horses need to check their facts, will not name names. The Greatest Racehorse Ever is all a matter of opinion.
Secretariat, like Seabiscuit, was a "dud stud" who did not "stamp his get", i. e. pass along his traits, so he was the last of his line. Runty little Northern Dancer was a phenomenal stud who sired nothing but champions who begat champions. This should be taken into account along with sheer speed and # of races won.
+Tim Mocarski Seabiscuit was a STALLION - not a gelding - was not a very good sire - that I agree. But when you think you want to add something to a discussion - check before you make a fool out of yourself !
+rainbow vision Please realise that the award off Champion is very artificial and cannot be planned or bred. Lets say you have a race of 20 top class horses, one will always win, but between the winner and the losers might be just a meaningless 2 seconds, or you can water the track, and run the race again and another horse wins, in practice, you need to breed 10 000 foals to get a champion horse, so much for breeders knowledge, stud books and pedigrees, its all nonsense. Champions are flukes.
Grace ,,uhh Man O' War was dead long before Secretariat was even born ,the way you worded your reply seems to say they actually raced against one another. Secretariat is my favorite too. BUT Man O' War was a spectacular specimen.Wore heavier shoes different track conditions etc.And has the longest stride,, 28 incredible feet.
In my opinion, jockeys win races or lose them. There are so many subtle things a rider can affect horse's stride, pace, balance, etc. Special horses like Secretariat really don't count in the bread and butter races. Per diams are high so everybody needs to be paid. Correct conformation, trainability and disposition really matter in the long run. Those traits affect the future winners and keep the sport going.
Racing followers need The Horse of the Decade title, meaning the best horse in 10 years, so in a century you would have just 10 winners, Man O War, War Admiral, Secretariat, Phar Lap would figure. Once an horse retires the chances he will make a good stud are 1000-1, and mark my words racing form is no indicator of future stud success. Each year (potential) Stud horses are destroyed because they never won a race, they have the genes, the pedigrees, and the conformation, but are ignored by breeders, No Wins-No Mares is the rule.
Pipers Son No need, really, since Horse of the Year has long been awarded in various countries. There are problems with your idea/list, btw. First: do you mean the U.S., or worldwide? Phar Lap is ineligible for the U.S., he never made a start in the U.S. If you mean worldwide, do you put a 3-year-old Man o'War (1920) over a 3-year-old Phar Lap (1929)? Do you put Phar Lap at 4 year old + (1930-1932) over the full of War Admiral's career (1936-1939)? For the 1930's, Italy's undefeated Nearco might have a better claim than either.
I completely agree I hate when people say Zenyatta is the best, she was never raced against horses with any experience or talent. This was a good horse but far from "the best"
Everyone's mentioning the great US and Aussie horses, what about the great European horses Frankel, Seabird, Shergar et al. I think the best sire was Arc Winner Sadlers Wells, his progeny were prolific winners. My personal favourite was Shergar.
Sadler's Wells was the greatest sire of his generation, and one of the great sires in history. But his sire Northern Dancer is arguably THE greatest sire in TB history, and certainly of modern times. Sadler's Wells was the more prolific, and earned more leading stallion titles (in a smaller market). But for sheer quality of get, Northern Dancer is without peer. And he should get some of the credit for Sadler's Wells quality as a stallion.... Compare their stats, keeping in mind that Northern Dancer stood stud in an era when top stallions covered about 40 mares a year: Northern Dancer: 645 named foals 411 winners (63.7%) stakes winners: 147 (22.8%) Sadler's Wells: 2259 named foals 1224 winners (54.2%) stakes winners: 294 (13%) Elite stallions typically sire 10%-15% stakes winners. Sadler's Wells is clearly in that group. Northern Dancer's 22.8% is extraordinary, and unmatched. The Northern Dancer - Sadler's Wells - Galileo line is probably the single strongest stallion line of the current day. It would be cool if Frankel continues it.
You see runs like this very often, its no big deal as he wasn't boxed in or anything and had the entire 400+ meters to make up the ground. If you want to see a phenomenal horse race, type this in UA-cam: "Hollow bullet crown oaks" Watch that race and see how the hell she won that.
Are you people serious right now? Are you really all fighting over who the best racehorse is? Come on, grow up. It's all a matter of opinion. People can go arguing all day on who set the most records, won the most races, raced the best horses, blah blah blah. There is no such thing as one horse in particular that was/is the "greatest" because its all opinion. Its ok to have favorites and to love certain horses more than others, but it isn't worth fighting over. Seriously people. smh.
They ran 1000 Meters, 1 kilometer, less than a mile, it's a Bloody SPRINT. This makes him Great? I weep. You may wan to do some research on racing history. Find out who "The Mighty Atom" was, or Citation or, why Secretariat WAS such a Machine, who St. Simon and Phalaris were. These horses ran 40+ races of 3200+ meters, hitting the board 75% of the time. Then they went on to produce grade 1 stakes winners. Their influence still dominantes modern racing, That is what makes a Great race horse.
Pleasz people just look at times the horses ran there races in ,track records ,world records therr only one horse that every time he race on the track there was was big chance he was going to beat the track record. He was the King of Kings 159.40 in the derby 153 preakness 2.24 belmont ohhh 2.24.80 man of stakes ,an the marlboro cup track record .
Hmmm three biggest races in the history of horse racing,its amazing one horse holds all three track records.Just go on your computer punch in great horse ever see who takes up the whole first page ,an i meant track records that held up not were broken an ten other horses broke the same record duhhhh
@mac Secretariat set 5 stakes records, 5 track records, 2 world/dirt surface records. You didn't specify the breakdown on Man o'War's records, so maybe Secretariat actually set more, though I seriously doubt that, you presumably meant records in 8 different races. Swaps set/equaled six WORLD records (which I am pretty sure is more than even Man o'War, maybe as many as MoW and Secretariat put together. But there are a number of horses, Man o'War and Secretariat only two of them, whom I (and most people) rank over Swaps. And Ruffian set 8 stakes records and 2 track records, in just 8 stakes outings. Though I personally discount her as in running for GOT; her 2 track records (or 3, she equaled her own record) were both at the sprint distance of 5 1/2 furlongs. John anthony said Secretariat was setting TRACK records, not world records, so he was not claiming no horses have ever run those distances faster than Secretariat did. Most of Man o'War's records have been broken, too, after all. And those that haven't been broken will remain unbroken for the same reason Secretariat's Belmont Stakes record/world dirt record is unlikely to be broken: there's little to no chance for it to happen. The Belmont, unfortunately, remains the only 12 furlong dirt race in the U.S., and it's run by three-year-olds in the spring. Older horses would have a better shot at breaking it.
@@johnanthony6664 Timers DO lie. Both human timers and the electric timers used at tracks. There was a controversy about the time the great gelding Game On Dude ran the 2013 Pacific Classic. Independent timers from Trakus Time had it at 1:59.26, Del Mar's official time (which was upheld) was 2:00.69. Discrepancies like that and of Secretariat's Preakness time may be fairly common, they just don't get challenged unless a stakes record is on the line. (Which was not the case with Game On Dude's Pacific Classic.) What does NOT lie is videotape, which is computerized and invariable. It was videotape analysis which definitely proved Secretariat had run in track record time.
Killer Bees Well you have now! Arise Sir True Brew... yes you betcha, he was knighted this year for services to racing, oh and for being the Greatest Racehorse of all time!
No need to be rude I've seen many racehorses and many horses in general and I for one, along with many others, do not feel she is the best nor will she ever be, so I suggest you leave it alone because you can be as angry as you want but I will stand by my opinion just as you will stand by yours.
The owner is having a lend,taking the piss,etc...Cranbourne is just another town with just another racetrack where hapless owners try and get some payback from their overpriced equine investments...but often fail to do so.
by nature all atheletes during any one day of action must get weaker and slower they are made like that they are naturally supposed to slow down but sec went faster ,,this ends all arguments,,,
If Sham was injured during the Belmont, it was not apparent at the time. He remained in active training and was not retired until July, after pulling up lame from a workout. No one works a horse they know has broken down. Could Sham have incurred some minor injury during the Belmont that was subsequently exacerbated? It is possible. But he didn't come out of the Belmont lame, much less "break down," which generally refers to an injury so severe that a race or workout cannot be completed, or maybe if the horse turns up severely lame immediately after running.
Hardly the best i've seen, but the front legs are nicely built, back seem to be lacking in muscles. True brew is hardly the greatest, but still has good potential, There are better horses then he/she
It's a sport, get over it. They crap the horse so they will RUN, thats what they are trained to do. Jokey's can get thrown from a horse running at that speed and be back at it in months. How much pain do you think that is? The horses don't care, the jokey's don't just ram their horse into the next.
Seattle Slew was the greatest. He was faster than Secretariat and could close in 23/24 last quarter like Secretariat and could carry weight 130 lbs., which Secretariat never did. Do I think he could have... yes, but we'll never know. For a mile to a mile 1/8 definitely the 'Slew", 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 maybe Secretariat.
+ed schwind Ed has a great point and everyone gets carried away by sec's belmont, but slew could run all day w/ anyone. In my opinion both horses had sub par jockeys. Alas, we'll never know. My personal fave is Dr. Fager, only way damascus beats the Dr is w/ a rabbit. Cheeers
+ed schwind Sec's Marlrboro Cup as a 3yo running wide and checked by Riva Ridge was still faster than Slew's 4yo smooth rail run. Therefore Sec > Slew even over Slew's favourite distance and annhilates him over anything longer.
@mac If by wondering about Chenery's 20/20 hindsight, you're alluding to the decision to retire Secretariat at age 3 -- if I remember correctly, she would have liked to have run him at 4. In any case, she had no choice. Her father Christopher died in January 1973, between Secretariat's 2- and 3-year-old seasons, leaving her with millions of dollars of estate taxes to pay on Meadow Stable. To pay the taxes, she had to sell off a lot of bloodstock, including syndicating Secretariat for a then record amount before he made a start at 3. She also syndicated Riva Ridge. (If her father had died much earlier, or if Riva Ridge had not been a champion 2-y-old and a successful three-year-old, she would have had to sell Secretariat outright and earlier, losing control of his racing career. Riva Ridge, far more than Secretariat, saved Meadow Stable, and Riva always remained her favorite.) The terms of the syndication dictated Secretariat be retired at the end of his 3-yr-old season. Chenery retained decision making on the remainder of his racing schedule. There was a lot of anxiety on her part, and that of the syndicate I dare say, regarding if the colt would live up to the hype of his Horse of the Year two-year-old campaign and the high price tag attached to him.
You are mistaken she never set any records she didn't win the triple crown she never even raced against experienced horses she was always against yearlings with no racing experience. Therefore she is not the best
not the best as we've had Frankel, Ruffian, Secretariat, Phar lap, American Pharaoh, Arrogate, Seabiscuit, Zenyatta, Seattle Slew, Man'o'War, Barbaro, Rachel Alexandra, War Admiral, Black Caviar , Citation, Affirmed, Red Rum, native Dancer, and more even older than some of these so not the bes
Good run, not the best I have seen. Best I have seen Zenyatta winning the Breeders Cup Classic, and even when she got beat it was a better run than True Brew
no horse has ever did what sec did in the Belmont and im not talkin bout the margin of victory im talkin him goin faster every 1/8 mile mark no horse then or after or ever in the future has done it or will ever do it again the odds against it happening are in the trillions no athlete has ever did anything faster or better ali Louis robinson chamberlain cousy Jordan bolt king borg Agassi Johnson you name then ,,
Sorry. You have so many other horses that were way better and are better now. Winx, Black Caviar, Vo Rogue, and I'm an American who follows horse racing here in America. So greatest horse in history, I seriously doubt that.
I didn't even know about this horse, watching him fly down the stretch like that brought tears to my eyes
"Coming with a cracking good run!" Ah I love these little sayings you Aussies have.
A great come from behind victory in the final stretch, but hard to say that it was the best race horse ever. Great race though!
AWESOME RACEHORSE!!! THANKS SO Much for sharing this Gorgeous & absolutely AMAZING Horse in this race!!! ~
Sea The Stars in 2009 did what no other Thoroughbred ever did. He won the 2,000 Guineas, Epsom Derby and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe - plus three other top Group 1's. Sea The Stars is a half-brother to Galileo.
My cat did what no other cat EVER did. He ran around MY living room.
It's not supposed to be taken seriously. The responses are astonishing.
Cranbourne maiden...He must be good!
First time I ever heard of a gelding that won 4 of 27 and Aus$36K being qualified as the greatest race horse ever, but I assume his mummy and daddy love him very much ;-)
DoubleDogDare54 in fairness you’ll find I was extremely unlucky in 23 of those races. No Winx like benefit races where my trainer packed the field with 6 stablemates!
I totally agree. He is the best race horse EVER!!!! Im getting a chestnut Thoroughbred soon. I got the movie Secretariat at home now.XD I love Secretariat
Secretariat is the greatest racehorse ever. He is the great horse of all time.
churchill downs is my backyard..handicapping since i was 4years old
Secretariat and Zenyatta often did come from behind like True Brew did in this race. I love that style of racing but it often is unsuccessful because of traffic troubles. I always thought the Aussies liked Phar Lap and Black Caviar the best.Secretariat was the sire of their Melbourne Cup winner who still holds the fastest time for that race.
you took time out of my life for this
Black Caviar is a legend, True Brew is just a memory.
Under track condition in those days go by, no horse was greater or ever will be then the greatest of all Man O War.
Well I guess next time i want to see horses run. I will have to go to a stud show.
I reckon you either own this horse or had a good win on him.
Correct there my friend,
No one forget the wonderful Sea Biscuit or Man 'O' War, but they came from early racing generations under different circumstances.
How everyone is saying there's better horses. Yet, there's no dislikes xD
She was the best in this race,on this track,and in this video.
Amazing...( I have no idea what to say its just amazing)
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True Brew reminded me of Zenyatta in this race. Coming off the pace to snag the win. Great race to watch.
I wonder what True Brew's pedigree is.
True Brew pedigree. By the champion sire 'Greatest' out of multiple stakes winning mare 'Of All Time'. (Greatest x Of All Time)
Just watched a doco about secretariat and wow omg what a horse, I don’t think it’s fair to compare champions and single out 1 only, there’s different eras and track conditions etc, lets talk about horses like Kingston town, Pharlap, Makybe diva- 3 Melbourne cups, Black caviar, Wynx undefeated in 29 starts so far and won an unequalled 4 Cox plates, Bernborough, Tulloch, the list goes on, Archer who in 1861 and 62 was walked 1000 kilometres to enter and arrived the day before and won it twice, the list and the stories go on all throughout history, I love horses and love a champion and I don’t like to compare anyone as the greatest ever.
Sorry to tell you but Archer walking to Melbourne is a myth.
Secretariat is the greatest race horse of all time. This is 2019 and Secretariat is still the greatest race horse of all time you can even look it up.🐎
I love horse racing
AMAZING!
and it is truly amazing and something from another world manowar wouldn't see him in the first 1/4 mile in a match race he just didn't have the heart to do so ,,,book closed that's it don't bother arguing there is no argument you cant argue with nature,,,sec is not only the greatest racehorse ever he Is greatest athlete ever
zennyata the greatest race horse of our time..PERIOD.
+Chris B Black Caviar was better than Zenyatta I'm afraid. That's not knocking Zenyatta either as she was a star. There are a few better in history though.....
Knowing which was the fastest horse we will never know,
Between the two Secretariat had the longer stride.
Wow he was like NOPE your not winning I am xD
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Secretariat was the greatest
ZENYATTA IS THE BEST EVER AND EVER
I don't see what makes this horse the "greatest thoroughbred race horse ever"
I also don't see why people are arguing about horses. And some people on both sides arguing about horses need to check their facts, will not name names. The Greatest Racehorse Ever is all a matter of opinion.
Secretariat, like Seabiscuit, was a "dud stud" who did not "stamp his get", i. e. pass along his traits, so he was the last of his line. Runty little Northern Dancer was a phenomenal stud who sired nothing but champions who begat champions. This should be taken into account along with sheer speed and # of races won.
+ferociousgumby Seabiscuit was a gelding and thus cannot be compared to any of the other sires in this regard.
+Tim Mocarski Seabiscuit was a STALLION - not a gelding - was not a very good sire - that I agree. But when you think you want to add something to a discussion - check before you make a fool out of yourself !
+Ivan Mees my mistake
What is the reason a very good race horse may not make a good sire?
+rainbow vision Please realise that the award off Champion is very artificial and cannot be planned or bred. Lets say you have a race of 20 top class horses, one will always win, but between the winner and the losers might be just a meaningless 2 seconds, or you can water the track, and run the race again and another horse wins, in practice, you need to breed 10 000 foals to get a champion horse, so much for breeders knowledge, stud books and pedigrees, its all nonsense. Champions are flukes.
NO! Secretariat is the greatest! He's a legend!!
There are no maidens from Cranbourne lol
Ah, truebrew, I love your tongue and I love your cheek. Poor sods below can't see the joke. It was a truly excellent finish though....
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Grace ,,uhh Man O' War was dead long before Secretariat was even born ,the way you worded your reply seems to say they actually raced against one another. Secretariat is my favorite too. BUT Man O' War was a spectacular specimen.Wore heavier shoes different track conditions etc.And has the longest stride,, 28 incredible feet.
I rate horses in a percentage of fitness.
Call me when True Brew wins the Dubai World Cup.
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Megan Proffitt what’s your number? True Brew’s is 1800 GREATEST
Happy Friday The 13th !!
In my opinion, jockeys win races or lose them. There are so many subtle things a rider can affect horse's stride, pace, balance, etc. Special horses like Secretariat really don't count in the bread and butter races. Per diams are high so everybody needs to be paid. Correct conformation, trainability and disposition really matter in the long run. Those traits affect the future winners and keep the sport going.
Racing followers need The Horse of the Decade title, meaning the best horse in 10 years, so in a century you would have just 10 winners, Man O War, War Admiral, Secretariat, Phar Lap would figure. Once an horse retires the chances he will make a good stud are 1000-1, and mark my words racing form is no indicator of future stud success. Each year (potential) Stud horses are destroyed because they never won a race, they have the genes, the pedigrees, and the conformation, but are ignored by breeders, No Wins-No Mares is the rule.
Pipers Son No need, really, since Horse of the Year has long been awarded in various countries. There are problems with your idea/list, btw. First: do you mean the U.S., or worldwide? Phar Lap is ineligible for the U.S., he never made a start in the U.S.
If you mean worldwide, do you put a 3-year-old Man o'War (1920) over a 3-year-old Phar Lap (1929)? Do you put Phar Lap at 4 year old + (1930-1932) over the full of War Admiral's career (1936-1939)? For the 1930's, Italy's undefeated Nearco might have a better claim than either.
I completely agree I hate when people say Zenyatta is the best, she was never raced against horses with any experience or talent. This was a good horse but far from "the best"
My favorite horse is Man'o war
Secretariat never won at Cranbourne...lol he only won the triple crown in times no one has matched
Secretariat... by far.
This horse isn't named Seabird.
Ruffian is the best!!!!!!!!!
Everyone's mentioning the great US and Aussie horses, what about the great European horses Frankel, Seabird, Shergar et al. I think the best sire was Arc Winner Sadlers Wells, his progeny were prolific winners. My personal favourite was Shergar.
Sadler's Wells was the greatest sire of his generation, and one of the great sires in history. But his sire Northern Dancer is arguably THE greatest sire in TB history, and certainly of modern times. Sadler's Wells was the more prolific, and earned more leading stallion titles (in a smaller market). But for sheer quality of get, Northern Dancer is without peer. And he should get some of the credit for Sadler's Wells quality as a stallion....
Compare their stats, keeping in mind that Northern Dancer stood stud in an era when top stallions covered about 40 mares a year:
Northern Dancer:
645 named foals 411 winners (63.7%) stakes winners: 147 (22.8%)
Sadler's Wells:
2259 named foals 1224 winners (54.2%) stakes winners: 294 (13%)
Elite stallions typically sire 10%-15% stakes winners. Sadler's Wells is clearly in that group. Northern Dancer's 22.8% is extraordinary, and unmatched.
The Northern Dancer - Sadler's Wells - Galileo line is probably the single strongest stallion line of the current day. It would be cool if Frankel continues it.
Es en Australia
How does this one race, a mere 1000m, compare to the lengthier races run by three year olds, or stakes races, where weight carried varies?
+Tim Mocarski The title of this video is tongue in cheek. This horse never even competed in a Stakes class race !!
Olympic 100m vs 5000m race. I know what event rates higher every time. Sprinters over dour plodders all day everyday 🐴😉😂
You don't need to like them. That's just an opinion.
black caviar was 1distance horse..never raced more than a mile ..ZENYATTA 6FURLONGS TO 1MILE AND A QTR
+Chris B she was a sprinter
You see runs like this very often, its no big deal as he wasn't boxed in or anything and had the entire 400+ meters to make up the ground.
If you want to see a phenomenal horse race, type this in UA-cam:
"Hollow bullet crown oaks"
Watch that race and see how the hell she won that.
I'll take Dr. Fager against any horse in history on dirt in a match race from 6 furlongs to a mile and 1/4.
jeff sohikian - Big Words. 🤭😴😴😴
He was running against non-winners! Sorry, I saw Secretariat run.
Frankel?
Lol it's a Cranbourne maiden
Best racehorse ever?
This is like saying Zippy Chippy was the greatest horse ever...
Equi no not the greatest ever but he still got a good home at old friends equine care retirememt home for horses?
Are you people serious right now? Are you really all fighting over who the best racehorse is? Come on, grow up. It's all a matter of opinion. People can go arguing all day on who set the most records, won the most races, raced the best horses, blah blah blah. There is no such thing as one horse in particular that was/is the "greatest" because its all opinion. Its ok to have favorites and to love certain horses more than others, but it isn't worth fighting over. Seriously people. smh.
Vegas Burn won some big ones
They ran 1000 Meters, 1 kilometer, less than a mile, it's a Bloody SPRINT. This makes him Great? I weep. You may wan to do some research on racing history. Find out who "The Mighty Atom" was, or Citation or, why Secretariat WAS such a Machine, who St. Simon and Phalaris were. These horses ran 40+ races of 3200+ meters, hitting the board 75% of the time. Then they went on to produce grade 1 stakes winners. Their influence still dominantes modern racing, That is what makes a Great race horse.
PRETTY HORSE AND GREAT COMEBACK,BUT IVE SEEN BETTER AND I HAVE BETTER VIDEOS ON BETTER RACES
I mean, it was alright.
Zenyatta isn't even in this video
I prefer my horses on dirt its harder than grass
I think Secreatariat was the fastest, but they rate Frankel as the best ?
Great run, but she isn't quite Black Caviar or Phar Lap just yet....Greatest Thoroughbred racehorse ever....I think not!!
neither are black caviar or phar lap
Pleasz people just look at times the horses ran there races in ,track records ,world records therr only one horse that every time he race on the track there was was big chance he was going to beat the track record. He was the King of Kings 159.40 in the derby 153 preakness 2.24 belmont ohhh 2.24.80 man of stakes ,an the marlboro cup track record .
Hmmm three biggest races in the history of horse racing,its amazing one horse holds all three track records.Just go on your computer punch in great horse ever see who takes up the whole first page ,an i meant track records that held up not were broken an ten other horses broke the same record duhhhh
The timer doesnt lie times times times times
@mac
Secretariat set 5 stakes records, 5 track records, 2 world/dirt surface records. You didn't specify the breakdown on Man o'War's records, so maybe Secretariat actually set more, though I seriously doubt that, you presumably meant records in 8 different races.
Swaps set/equaled six WORLD records (which I am pretty sure is more than even Man o'War, maybe as many as MoW and Secretariat put together. But there are a number of horses, Man o'War and Secretariat only two of them, whom I (and most people) rank over Swaps.
And Ruffian set 8 stakes records and 2 track records, in just 8 stakes outings. Though I personally discount her as in running for GOT; her 2 track records (or 3, she equaled her own record) were both at the sprint distance of 5 1/2 furlongs.
John anthony said Secretariat was setting TRACK records, not world records, so he was not claiming no horses have ever run those distances faster than Secretariat did. Most of Man o'War's records have been broken, too, after all. And those that haven't been broken will remain unbroken for the same reason Secretariat's Belmont Stakes record/world dirt record is unlikely to be broken: there's little to no chance for it to happen. The Belmont, unfortunately, remains the only 12 furlong dirt race in the U.S., and it's run by three-year-olds in the spring. Older horses would have a better shot at breaking it.
@@johnanthony6664 Timers DO lie. Both human timers and the electric timers used at tracks. There was a controversy about the time the great gelding Game On Dude ran the 2013 Pacific Classic. Independent timers from Trakus Time had it at 1:59.26, Del Mar's official time (which was upheld) was 2:00.69. Discrepancies like that and of Secretariat's Preakness time may be fairly common, they just don't get challenged unless a stakes record is on the line. (Which was not the case with Game On Dude's Pacific Classic.)
What does NOT lie is videotape, which is computerized and invariable. It was videotape analysis which definitely proved Secretariat had run in track record time.
*Who the heck is True Brew? Never heard of him before this.* :-[
Killer Bees Well you have now! Arise Sir True Brew... yes you betcha, he was knighted this year for services to racing, oh and for being the Greatest Racehorse of all time!
Although an amazing horse I believe secretariat is faster
No need to be rude I've seen many racehorses and many horses in general and I for one, along with many others, do not feel she is the best nor will she ever be, so I suggest you leave it alone because you can be as angry as you want but I will stand by my opinion just as you will stand by yours.
Talk bloody SENSE!! A VERY VERY STUPID THING TO SAY!! NO WORLD BEATER AND I'VE SEEN Far better horses race at the Coonamble RACE'S
The owner is having a lend,taking the piss,etc...Cranbourne is just another town with just another racetrack where hapless owners try and get some payback from their overpriced equine investments...but often fail to do so.
real horses run on dirt!
Stupid prank obviously. A horse winning a maiden at a provincial Victorian race.
Umm..excuse me? Secretariat could of kicked his ass
You obviously have no idea who Secratariat was and what his times were. This was a fucking Maiden plate.
by nature all atheletes during any one day of action must get weaker and slower they are made like that they are naturally supposed to slow down but sec went faster ,,this ends all arguments,,,
secratariet won belmont by 31lengths because sham broke down..
+Chris B Sham didn't break down, Secretariat broke his heart.
If Sham was injured during the Belmont, it was not apparent at the time. He remained in active training and was not retired until July, after pulling up lame from a workout. No one works a horse they know has broken down. Could Sham have incurred some minor injury during the Belmont that was subsequently exacerbated? It is possible. But he didn't come out of the Belmont lame, much less "break down," which generally refers to an injury so severe that a race or workout cannot be completed, or maybe if the horse turns up severely lame immediately after running.
Secretariat is good but pharlap/sea biscuit and ruffiun is better
Frankel is the best ever.
Hardly the best i've seen, but the front legs are nicely built, back seem to be lacking in muscles. True brew is hardly the greatest, but still has good potential, There are better horses then he/she
It's a sport, get over it. They crap the horse so they will RUN, thats what they are trained to do. Jokey's can get thrown from a horse running at that speed and be back at it in months. How much pain do you think that is? The horses don't care, the jokey's don't just ram their horse into the next.
Well, that's a nice horse, but come on...The "greatest"...what happened to Phar Lap?
hahahah. Phar Lap was a very good horse. Nothing More
Seattle Slew was the greatest. He was faster than Secretariat and could close in 23/24 last quarter like Secretariat and could carry weight 130 lbs., which Secretariat never did. Do I think he could have... yes, but we'll never know. For a mile to a mile 1/8 definitely the 'Slew", 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 maybe Secretariat.
+ed schwind Ed has a great point and everyone gets carried away by sec's belmont, but slew could run all day w/ anyone. In my opinion both horses had sub par jockeys. Alas, we'll never know. My personal fave is Dr. Fager, only way damascus beats the Dr is w/ a rabbit.
Cheeers
+ed schwind Sec's Marlrboro Cup as a 3yo running wide and checked by Riva Ridge was still faster than Slew's 4yo smooth rail run. Therefore Sec > Slew even over Slew's favourite distance and annhilates him over anything longer.
@mac If by wondering about Chenery's 20/20 hindsight, you're alluding to the decision to retire Secretariat at age 3 -- if I remember correctly, she would have liked to have run him at 4.
In any case, she had no choice. Her father Christopher died in January 1973, between Secretariat's 2- and 3-year-old seasons, leaving her with millions of dollars of estate taxes to pay on Meadow Stable. To pay the taxes, she had to sell off a lot of bloodstock, including syndicating Secretariat for a then record amount before he made a start at 3. She also syndicated Riva Ridge. (If her father had died much earlier, or if Riva Ridge had not been a champion 2-y-old and a successful three-year-old, she would have had to sell Secretariat outright and earlier, losing control of his racing career. Riva Ridge, far more than Secretariat, saved Meadow Stable, and Riva always remained her favorite.) The terms of the syndication dictated Secretariat be retired at the end of his 3-yr-old season. Chenery retained decision making on the remainder of his racing schedule. There was a lot of anxiety on her part, and that of the syndicate I dare say, regarding if the colt would live up to the hype of his Horse of the Year two-year-old campaign and the high price tag attached to him.
No.
Err? Yes.
+truebrew Err? NOOOO.
Ah... Aussie humour wasted on the rest of the world.
im sayin we hav seen better
Clickbait.
No Nah Glue horse
how is thet the best race ever, you should see travers stakes 2012
Good race, but not the best I've seen...
You are mistaken she never set any records she didn't win the triple crown she never even raced against experienced horses she was always against yearlings with no racing experience. Therefore she is not the best
not the best as we've had Frankel, Ruffian, Secretariat, Phar lap, American Pharaoh, Arrogate, Seabiscuit, Zenyatta, Seattle Slew, Man'o'War, Barbaro, Rachel Alexandra, War Admiral, Black Caviar
, Citation, Affirmed, Red Rum, native Dancer, and more even older than some of these so not the bes
Good run, not the best I have seen. Best I have seen Zenyatta winning the Breeders Cup Classic, and even when she got beat it was a better run than True Brew
no horse has ever did what sec did in the Belmont and im not talkin bout the margin of victory im talkin him goin faster every 1/8 mile mark no horse then or after or ever in the future has done it or will ever do it again the odds against it happening are in the trillions no athlete has ever did anything faster or better ali Louis robinson chamberlain cousy Jordan bolt king borg Agassi Johnson you name then ,,
this is a joke right?
Sorry. You have so many other horses that were way better and are better now. Winx, Black Caviar, Vo Rogue, and I'm an American who follows horse racing here in America. So greatest horse in history, I seriously doubt that.