This tech has been around since the 90’s and is only now in the 100k range for semi decent machines. Will be a long time before you get anything beyond a glorified flashlight at your average box store.
I follow a military vehicle restore channel , based here in the UK , I wish they'd buy one of these things , instead of pissing about with hydro blasting , chemicals and needle guns when removing paint and rust from small vehicles like cheiften tanks ect. A job that would take days , could be done in hours.
What do you mean by uk? Do you live in England where my ancestors came from? I also have some ancestors from Ireland and Scotland as well. And one of my ancestors hails from Wales
Minor nit-picking @2:24 The laser energy _ablates,_ not _abelates,_ all the crud, paint and rust. "Abelation" has an "e" too much. Sorry for my OCD acting up.😅
I'm considering a similar unit for my metal fab shop. Is it good at removing mill scale and oxidation from welding/cutting? Also, will I be able to forgo a sand blasting cabinet with this unit?
Oxidation, absolutely. Mill scale, I’m not too sure. Slightly different situation, but when I showed the scaled rusty frame example, the rust was removed from the surface of the scales, but when I scraped them off, there was still rust underneath. I would contact Fortune Laser and see if they have a machine that might remove the mill scale. Maybe they have a continuous wave machine that can do this? I have a small blasting cabinet that I’m considering getting rid of but still might use it for smaller heavily scaled rusty parts like control arms, knuckles etc.
Small update for us? 1. Still happy with it? 2. How many hours did you use it, Until the video came out? 3. Did you have to repair someting until you got it? 4. did you have reach maximum thermal protection if yes after how much time of use the thermal protection kick on Thx for the respond. I want to have one for personal use and start a little bisness on the side with it
1. Absolutely! 2. I'd guess about 15 hours before I made the video. 3. Not sure I understand the question, but I mostly work on older vehicles, many with rusty parts. 4. The machine has never reached thermal protection. I always run an air line because it is air cooled. Eventually I'd like to buy a 1500w or 2000w CW machine for bigger parts like frames, axles, heavy scaled parts.
@@6thGearGarage sorry for my poor English. for the question 3 did the lazer machine have broke or need to get Something fix. i know for heavy rust needle air hammer or air hammer with the flat hammer work realy good for removing scaled parts
car ceramic coating for the protective lens helps a LOT, i have an identical unit, have owned it for about 6 months now, don't know how many hours, i'd guess like 2 hours per day. still on the original protective lens! :)
In your demo you said you use a cross fan to help avoid debris clouding up the protective lens, letting it blow outside your garage. From my understanding if someone walks by, sees you it, and wonders over to take a look it could be very dangerous for their eye sight. Something to keep in mind as you could be liable or at fault for improper safety procedures I would imagine. Otherwise great video thanks for all the detail. Very helpful actually.
I do not live in a populated area, so It's not a problem here. However, I do tell the kids to stay away from the garage when they hear me using the laser.
12:24 If you cleaned long enough, will it chew through the scale or it will reflected of and laser has no effect? If you use needle scaler along with laser, is it possible to get it clean or you still need to resort to sand blasting?
It might get through some of the lighter scaling eventually. Anything to knock the scale off first will allow the laser cleaner to throughly clean the surface beneath. You could use a needle scaler, wire brush, or even a metal scraper.
I'd love to get one of these to use as a side business. Living in Iowa, there's probably craploads of stuff here that's rusted, so I think there's a good market. Unfortunately, the cost is... prohibitive for someone like me. I'm autistic, so working part time and getting disability checks won't me get one of these anytime soon. I do work on motorcycles as a side hobby (primarily old ones, current project is a 1977 BMW R100S), and one of these would be amazing for cleaning up rust, aluminum oxidation, and removing paint.
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i was thinking the same for my son who is also autistic. someone said he got this for 1000 from china. i saw a backpack model for like 200+, but not sure how good it is
@@TheFrugalMombot I'm thinking of going for that. Was it on Alibaba? Be careful, they often sell just the laser emitter gun for $200. The pack costs much more. Do you know which one he got?
Excellent presentation! One question, in your experience, the cleaning speed of the laser between a glass beads blasting cabinet and the laser over a light or flash rusted panel is slow or about the same? Can you give a value in sq inches / minute? I am not interested in giving a profile, just remove the rust and stains. Appreciate your comments.
The speed will vary depending on the substrate and amount of rust. I have only used sand blasting, never glass beads. The laser is at least twice as fast as my sand blasting cabinet.
I’m wanting on for restoring cast iron cookware. I have several hundred pieces that need to be restored. Can you tell me which one would be best? I’m scared it will leave permanent marks on the metal which will defeat the purpose. Thanks
On this machine, there s an edge setting which can be programmed to leave a softer edge instead of the hard edge. I think it would work well. I think it would clean similar to this cast iron exhaust manifold: ua-cam.com/users/shortsB4KxDyMub4k
I wonder if this unit can laser out DOT reflective paint on asphalt surfaces. The yellow stripes would be possible, but the white stripes would be more difficult I would imagine.
If anyone is looking to clean a large area, you will need more than 200w pulse. It will take some time.. I have used a 100w laser, and the 200w cuts the time in half but still quite some time. You would need bigger than 500 in my opinion.
For large areas I would recommend a CW laser. The max width if the machine in this video is 50mm. Next I am getting a 2000w CW machine with a width of 800mm. Large jobs will take a fraction of the time.
Great video, would be interesting to see what is the electricity consumption difference for 500 hours of usage. Depending on the consumption difference, could also have a monetary value.
Bravo. Great Presentation. ❤ Well, I can't invest that kind of cash. Though, if I ever play & hit the lottery, I'm definitely buying both of these incredable tools. In the meantime my current methods aren't so slow, nor does cleanup detour me in starting & completing a task. Thank you very much for sharing your experience & knowledge with these two great products. ❤
Have you tried removing paint from fiberglass? Without damaging the fiberglass or melting the resin n flow? I need to repaint a fiberglass boat n not looking forward to sanding it
@@6thGearGarage Contact a local plumbing company to see if they will give you a piece of fiberglass from a tub out of a bathroom remodel. It essentially is the same thing as a corvette body.
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Have you tested it on wood by any chance? Ive been looking into one for varnish/paint/finish removal on furniture but not sure if even on the lowest setting it would damage the wood.
Here is the plug ebay.us/DAdva5 and my 220 outlet is 50A, which is way more than this machine needs. (I also use the outlet for a welder & plasma cutter.)
@@6thGearGarage thank you! I Bought the 300w laser and it looks like it only takes 9.1 amps. So I might just hook up a double pole 15 amp breaker. Other wise I have a 50 and 30 amp for other welders. Thanks for replying to comments! You videos are very well planned out and produced. Keep it up 👍.
Wow looked great for body shop until the price,it will have to save a lot of time and material to be cost effective. Don't know if you tried but a quick dust coat of darker paint may generate enough heat to allow Lazer to work on light paints.
@@6thGearGarage i only ask because we purchased a similar machine and it has a 110v plug and it doesnt seem like its getting enough power. Not sure if i need to purchase a 220 adapter like this or a converter
@@matlockwk I would check with the manufacturer to find the proper voltage of the machine. But also the wrong parameter settings can make it seem like it is under powered.
Great video. What respirator are you using with the machine? We have a 300W which we use on wood, and we are having trouble finding the correct respirator. Any help would be appreciated.
@@alesiljo Im not sure if your machine will use the same parameters, but I show some different parameters in this video and they worked well: ua-cam.com/video/i3A3VLotg5c/v-deo.html
@@tukn22inch It would absolutely remove powder coating. Gloss white will take a little longer than other colors. Black will remove the easiest. A 100w machine should be similar to the 200w machine, it will just take more time to clean due to less power.
No training is really needed, it is very simple to learn to use after reading the instruction manual. Understanding the parameters and modes helps as well.
Thank you for the video. I really like the air attachment that keeps the lens clean. I desperately need one of these machines. I've been trying to communicate with the people in China but they are very busy. How did you manage to purchase this machine? I would greatly appreciate any information you can provide.
@@6thGearGarage Dude thanks for getting back. Really appreciated. And yes. It would be time consuming for sure. But I keep thinking you could get a shed load done in an hour. The video I witnessed was from overspill of rust removal. The concrete literally went "BING" in seconds.... Thanks again. Interesting stuff....
I want one of these - so bad! I can't justify that much for my personal use, but it doesn't stop me dreaming. Excellent explanation too! That answered questions I didn't know I had.
I noticed that none of the laser companies list the prices on their website. I think it's because the technology is constantly evolving and they're getting cheaper. Also depends on your location because they cover shipping/tax/customs fees.
I did do some testing with an ultrasonic cleaner to see what it could remove, and it didn't do very well at rust or corrosion: ua-cam.com/video/wIqUzE3tETk/v-deo.html
Do you have a link for sales commission? I'm about to purchase one of these things due to your video being so informative, so I figured i would show my gratitude for your efforts. Are you still happy with the machine? All good?
I'm extremely happy with this machine. Fortune Laser has had great customer service. I just got another machine from them, a 2000w CW laser. I don't have a link for commission, but if you tell them you're coming from Brian's video, they will give me a 2% credit toward my next machine. Thanks, I greatly appreciate it!
@@6thGearGarage i followed your links to your Facebook page and have some questions prior to pulling the trigger if you'd care to share your experiences with me. Things like, did you utilize a sourcing agent? How did you work out funding without the risk of being scammed? Things like that. Again, thanks for your video and any further instruction and I will certainly pass on your name when purchasing.
@@cowee2012 No, it uses 220v (which is normal for the majority of the world) Here in North America, 110v is a normal house outlet. While the plug on the end of the power cord of the machine was the 110v style, it wold have probably caused damage if I plugged it into a regular 110v outlet. So I bought an adapter to convert the 110 plug to a plug that fits my 220v outlet. I would ask them if they can make a 110v version though. It may be possible because these pulsed machines are only 100w and 200w machines. They don't draw a ton of power like the 1000/1500/2000w continuous wave machines do.
@@6thGearGarage oh, I understand. I live in Hawaii and I googled what our standard outlet voltage is and google said 120v. Does the company you purchased the laser from make them in different voltages? If not, can you send me the link to your adapter thing?
@@cowee2012 oh sorry I just saw your last comment. Here is the link for the adapter www.ebay.com/itm/383726311328?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xklm77o8q4s&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=0_GEGSV4QDO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Do you still need one set laser cleaning machine, sir? This is Jolene from TIPTOP laser. Always serving in the laser cleaning industry, paint, rust, stain and others attached to different materials can be washed away with laser. Do i have a chance to talk with u? believe our price will appeal to you. )))
Actually a lot cheaper! I initially looked at the 3-in-1 welder/cutting/cleaning machine, which was about $3k cheaper. It's a continuous wave laser though, so the cleaning isn't as good for certain surfaces. I already have a mig welder, so I really needed a machine to do cleaning.
One question: what's the expected service life of the laser itself? When these type of devices came onto the scene a few ago (with continuous laser, I assume) the laser would gave, say, a 5000 hour service life before needing replacement. Pulsed and lower power likely will have remedied this.
😊Great bemo, My friend purchased a 200w pulse laser machine and didn't get any settings for it, would it be possible to get the settings from you for the different types of materials if it's not too much trouble. We would really appreciate it as we are starting a new laser cleaning service. I live in Ireland so I'm not in opposition to you 😊. Regards Michael O Shea
@@Creabsley just researched it yeah i feel a bit stupid know, that said though the fine particles over long periods of time can still be damaging, and iron isn't the only thing getting burned off
I can't believe how much the prices have already dropped since 2020 when they were $100k. I think in a few more years it won't be uncommon for diyers to have one of these in their garage.
Don't hold your hopes up too much. It's in part thanks to 3D printing... sorry, _additive manufacturing,_ that the prices of industrial lasers have come down tremendously. 200 watt is a nice laser output power for an entry level powder bed selective laser melting (SLM) metal printer. Both types of devices benefit already from large drops in laser cost.
Thanks for the information. It's saying if I wait every couple years they will half in price. There will not be a shortage in rust anytime soon so if you need one now it's got to pay, rust removal charges won't be cheaper so maybe just pull the trigger and invest in yourself. Happy days.
@@samdas3119 at end of video or contact fortune laser (link in description) for latest pricing. I bought mine 6 months ago so prices may be different now.
Dude, love the lasers but I'm laughing why and how long it took.. Even fast forward was slow.. pretty good at light modeling but not automotive. 9000? Lol.. not cheap? But what did it do?
This pulsed is ideal for smaller or specific tolerance items which need to be cleaned without altering the original surface. I just got a 2000w continuous wave machine and it's perfect for large items. the beam is 300mm wide instead of 50mm. It does create a lot more heat though.
BEWARE UA-camrs of these cheap cleaning lasers! (not ALL Chinese lasers are bad, but do your homework)...most of these thing are 'toys" 1. Avoid anything with a Raycus laser diode (they are getting better, but there is a reason why they are so cheap...most won't last a year...) 2. Don't get a unit that cleans AND welds (they do neither well) 3. Get a unit with USA tech support (from a dealer....avoid Amazon/Alibaba, or you WILL be sorry) 4. Get a unit that has a chiller for the diode (for a continuous wave laser like the one in this video)...pulse wave up to 300w is ok without 5. Make sure the head has an air blade (keeps the protective lenses cleaner much longer/ extends optics life) 6. Continuous Wave lasers are usually the way to go (unless doing thin material/ Aluminum / heat treat scale)....then go to a pulse laser 7. Don't use they eyewear that comes with the laser cleaner (they are always OD 5...should be at least OD 7+ @ 1.0 - 1.1 nm range wavelength) 8. Don't use welding goggles as eyewear (totally different wavelength...won't protect eyes at all) 9. Bescutter is probably the best entry level cleaning laser / bang for the buck...has a 2 year on sight service warranty 10. If USA made cleaning lasers are in your budget I'd recommend Laser Marking Technologies (1/2 the price of the big boys with better core and optics) 11. Ask for references....folks who have been using them for a while will be glad to share the good, the bad and the ugly
You have many good points that I agree with 100% - I'm skipping over those to keep this shorter. I disagree with #3 though. Fortune Laser is based in China, yet their customer support has been incredible. #4. The machine in this video is an air cooled Pulsed laser, not continuous. I think all continuous wave machines are liquid cooled... and yes, definitely avoid any that are not. #6. It really depends on the type of cleaning you'll do. CW machines tend to etch/overheat the surface to a point where the surface is no longer smooth. Great for larger steel items where surface appearance does not matter. I feel pulsed is superior because it's usable on much more. Ideally, owning both machines would be the perfect scenario. #7. The protective eyewear that came with my machine was correct. I'd question the integrity of any company including the wrong eyewear, as that's very important. #9 I looked up Bescutter and it's hard to justify their $57,000 200w machine at 6.5x the cost of this one... but if you're a corporation and can afford such an expensive machine then more power to you. I don't think that's feasible as a small business owner or hobbyist. I think prices will continue to drop as more companies continue to manufacture these machines.
It’s a good idea not to use these machines outside in high wind conditions cause the wind can cause the laser beam to drift or “blow around” making it dangerous as you can easily cause collateral damage.
So cool. The only good thing about living is southern commiefornia desert is rust isn’t really an issue here.. but man that 😊laser is hella sweet to watch remove rust
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I didn't know such machines existed. Thanks for demonstrating how it all works so clearly.
Thanks for watching! I think they will become more common in the future.
@@6thGearGarageAs is almost always the case when something is effective as you showed this to be. What's the saying? "The cats out of the bag"!
Yeah it's true he did a good job of presenting without unnecessary BS
You are the only one that broke down pulse & continuous wave..Thanks for the information..
Glad to help!
I'm waiting a few years until Dollar King are selling them for $100.
And they weld too.
😂, me too.
This tech has been around since the 90’s and is only now in the 100k range for semi decent machines. Will be a long time before you get anything beyond a glorified flashlight at your average box store.
@@NeverCloseToHome they're 10-15k now in usa
@@NeverCloseToHome 5 years max
I follow a military vehicle restore channel , based here in the UK , I wish they'd buy one of these things , instead of pissing about with hydro blasting , chemicals and needle guns when removing paint and rust from small vehicles like cheiften tanks ect. A job that would take days , could be done in hours.
Not cheap, but they do pay for themselves pretty quickly in time saved.
What do you mean by uk? Do you live in England where my ancestors came from?
I also have some ancestors from Ireland and Scotland as well.
And one of my ancestors hails from Wales
there not as availabe over here as you would hope, I've a tank I need to needle gun now, if i could find one of these id be tempted !
@@mgstu I believe they ship these world wide. Did you contact Jason at Fortune Laser?
@@6thGearGarage have dropped them a msg via website, did you have a direct email for him ?
Minor nit-picking @2:24 The laser energy _ablates,_ not _abelates,_ all the crud, paint and rust. "Abelation" has an "e" too much. Sorry for my OCD acting up.😅
Thanks for the heads up! This video was the first time I had ever used that word lol, I'll remember that in the next video!
I'm considering a similar unit for my metal fab shop. Is it good at removing mill scale and oxidation from welding/cutting? Also, will I be able to forgo a sand blasting cabinet with this unit?
Oxidation, absolutely. Mill scale, I’m not too sure. Slightly different situation, but when I showed the scaled rusty frame example, the rust was removed from the surface of the scales, but when I scraped them off, there was still rust underneath. I would contact Fortune Laser and see if they have a machine that might remove the mill scale. Maybe they have a continuous wave machine that can do this? I have a small blasting cabinet that I’m considering getting rid of but still might use it for smaller heavily scaled rusty parts like control arms, knuckles etc.
This is one of the best metal prep for welding because it does not leave any residue that you will be breathing as a welder.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with me and the community. This was one of my favorite episodes.
Glad you enjoyed it! You’ll be seeing this machine in a lot of my videos. It saves so much time!
Thanks for the concise and helpful information!
Small update for us?
1. Still happy with it?
2. How many hours did you use it, Until the video came out?
3. Did you have to repair someting until you got it?
4. did you have reach maximum thermal protection if yes after how much time of use the thermal protection kick on
Thx for the respond. I want to have one for personal use and start a little bisness on the side with it
1. Absolutely! 2. I'd guess about 15 hours before I made the video. 3. Not sure I understand the question, but I mostly work on older vehicles, many with rusty parts. 4. The machine has never reached thermal protection. I always run an air line because it is air cooled. Eventually I'd like to buy a 1500w or 2000w CW machine for bigger parts like frames, axles, heavy scaled parts.
@@6thGearGarage sorry for my poor English. for the question 3 did the lazer machine have broke or need to get Something fix.
i know for heavy rust needle air hammer or air hammer with the flat hammer work realy good for removing scaled parts
@@patricklafreniere9841 I see... The machine has never broken or need repaired. It has been maintenance free so far.
car ceramic coating for the protective lens helps a LOT, i have an identical unit, have owned it for about 6 months now, don't know how many hours, i'd guess like 2 hours per day. still on the original protective lens! :)
Thanks for the tip!
@@6thGearGarage you're welcome!
In your demo you said you use a cross fan to help avoid debris clouding up the protective lens, letting it blow outside your garage.
From my understanding if someone walks by, sees you it, and wonders over to take a look it could be very dangerous for their eye sight. Something to keep in mind as you could be liable or at fault for improper safety procedures I would imagine.
Otherwise great video thanks for all the detail. Very helpful actually.
I do not live in a populated area, so It's not a problem here. However, I do tell the kids to stay away from the garage when they hear me using the laser.
12:24 If you cleaned long enough, will it chew through the scale or it will reflected of and laser has no effect? If you use needle scaler along with laser, is it possible to get it clean or you still need to resort to sand blasting?
It might get through some of the lighter scaling eventually. Anything to knock the scale off first will allow the laser cleaner to throughly clean the surface beneath. You could use a needle scaler, wire brush, or even a metal scraper.
I'd love to get one of these to use as a side business. Living in Iowa, there's probably craploads of stuff here that's rusted, so I think there's a good market.
Unfortunately, the cost is... prohibitive for someone like me. I'm autistic, so working part time and getting disability checks won't me get one of these anytime soon. I do work on motorcycles as a side hobby (primarily old ones, current project is a 1977 BMW R100S), and one of these would be amazing for cleaning up rust, aluminum oxidation, and removing paint.
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youtube mary and jesus in the quran and mohmmad in the bible and the Torah and the scientific miracles of the quran and mohmmad in hindu scripture
…
according the bible that you have
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God doesn't get tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
(Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God
(Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn
(Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus dies
(1 Timothy 1:17) God doesn't die
(Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation
(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God Doesn't grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus isn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus isn't all knowing
(Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing
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@@2009samiy Get lost.
i was thinking the same for my son who is also autistic. someone said he got this for 1000 from china. i saw a backpack model for like 200+, but not sure how good it is
how much are those outer lenses? i’m assuming you can get them in bulk
@@TheFrugalMombot I'm thinking of going for that. Was it on Alibaba? Be careful, they often sell just the laser emitter gun for $200. The pack costs much more. Do you know which one he got?
Hello, I would like to know what airflow rate (in liters per minute) you use to clean the protective lens ?
The manual did not list a rate, but a small air compressor will do the job.
Best review I've seen. I learnt a lot. Hopefully the price will come down over time.
Excellent presentation! One question, in your experience, the cleaning speed of the laser between a glass beads blasting cabinet and the laser over a light or flash rusted panel is slow or about the same? Can you give a value in sq inches / minute? I am not interested in giving a profile, just remove the rust and stains. Appreciate your comments.
The speed will vary depending on the substrate and amount of rust. I have only used sand blasting, never glass beads. The laser is at least twice as fast as my sand blasting cabinet.
Very good explanation of such a new product for many new DIY’
I want to remove excess dried Mortar that a bad brick layer left on my bricks. I this Pulse type laser a good way to do that?
I am not aware of any laser that will do the job you're looking for. This one will just clean the surface of the mortar.
Thank you so much for making this video. I’m learning about these machines 👍
I’m wanting on for restoring cast iron cookware. I have several hundred pieces that need to be restored. Can you tell me which one would be best? I’m scared it will leave permanent marks on the metal which will defeat the purpose. Thanks
On this machine, there s an edge setting which can be programmed to leave a softer edge instead of the hard edge. I think it would work well. I think it would clean similar to this cast iron exhaust manifold: ua-cam.com/users/shortsB4KxDyMub4k
I wonder if this unit can laser out DOT reflective paint on asphalt surfaces. The yellow stripes would be possible, but the white stripes would be more difficult I would imagine.
Yeah I think you're correct, the white stripes would take some more time.
Interesting, thanks for the review.
You bet
If anyone is looking to clean a large area, you will need more than 200w pulse. It will take some time.. I have used a 100w laser, and the 200w cuts the time in half but still quite some time. You would need bigger than 500 in my opinion.
For large areas I would recommend a CW laser. The max width if the machine in this video is 50mm. Next I am getting a 2000w CW machine with a width of 800mm. Large jobs will take a fraction of the time.
Great video, would be interesting to see what is the electricity consumption difference for 500 hours of usage. Depending on the consumption difference, could also have a monetary value.
Great suggestion! I wish I has a method to measure power consumption.
A very helpful overview on lasers.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Great information you have put together and provided to all. Thank You!
Bravo.
Great Presentation. ❤
Well, I can't invest that kind of cash. Though, if I ever play & hit the lottery, I'm definitely buying both of these incredable tools.
In the meantime my current methods aren't so slow, nor does cleanup detour me in starting & completing a task.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience & knowledge with these two great products. ❤
Thank you for watching!!
Very informative video... how much does that model cost?
Have you tried removing paint from fiberglass? Without damaging the fiberglass or melting the resin n flow? I need to repaint a fiberglass boat n not looking forward to sanding it
I have not, but I do not think it will hold up well. If I come across the opportunity, I will give it a shot and document it!
Thx for sharing your knowledge and experience
@@6thGearGarage Contact a local plumbing company to see if they will give you a piece of fiberglass from a tub out of a bathroom remodel. It essentially is the same thing as a corvette body.
This thing is super cool!
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(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
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(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
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Have you tested it on wood by any chance? Ive been looking into one for varnish/paint/finish removal on furniture but not sure if even on the lowest setting it would damage the wood.
I have not, but I plan on testing it on painted & stained wood soon.
How do you think this model would work on a rusty car floor pan?
As long as it is only surface rust and not any scaling, it would work.
Can this machine be used for removing soot after a fire disaster?
Yes it will definitely remove black soot from fires.
What plug did you buy and what amperage are you running?
Here is the plug ebay.us/DAdva5 and my 220 outlet is 50A, which is way more than this machine needs. (I also use the outlet for a welder & plasma cutter.)
@@6thGearGarage thank you! I Bought the 300w laser and it looks like it only takes 9.1 amps. So I might just hook up a double pole 15 amp breaker. Other wise I have a 50 and 30 amp for other welders. Thanks for replying to comments! You videos are very well planned out and produced. Keep it up 👍.
will it remove slag from stick wellding?
I have not tried it personally, but I read that it can.
that would be a big time saver
yes
Wow looked great for body shop until the price,it will have to save a lot of time and material to be cost effective. Don't know if you tried but a quick dust coat of darker paint may generate enough heat to allow Lazer to work on light paints.
Good idea! But I think it would just remove the light coat of dark paint right away and still have to work a bit at the light paint.
what is the benefit/purpose of using the adapter from 110 to 220? if it needs 220 why does it have the 110 plug?
Not sure why, maybe because many parts of the world don’t use 110v?
@@6thGearGarage i only ask because we purchased a similar machine and it has a 110v plug and it doesnt seem like its getting enough power. Not sure if i need to purchase a 220 adapter like this or a converter
@@matlockwk only plug the machine into an outlet with the proper voltage. If using a 220 machine on 110, or vice versa, damage can occur.
@@matlockwk I would check with the manufacturer to find the proper voltage of the machine. But also the wrong parameter settings can make it seem like it is under powered.
Some 220 v plugs have a sideways blade. It is 220, and should have a receptacle to match.
Great video. What respirator are you using with the machine? We have a 300W which we use on wood, and we are having trouble finding the correct respirator. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks! I use the machine outdoors, so there are no fumes/smoke which require a respirator.
How much do they cost?
@@Hingle_McCringleberry_Yo Are you asking about the laser or the respirator? Our 300W machine was about $17k
I think you are awsome, everything was cristal clear, one of the best unboxing ive seen,
Can we use it to remove mill scales from hot rolled carbon steel plates?
I’m not sure if a continuous wave mAchine would work better on mill scales. I’d shoot Jason an email and see what he thinks.
have you done an ambassador or distributor deal with any of these laser companies?
No, but I agreed to create this video in exchange for a 5% discount on the purchase of the machine.
Do you use the machine very often?
@@klubj57 yes I have been using it in most of my recent videos, as well as other projects that I do not upload.
Hi. Do you can help me with parameters? Thanks in advance.
@@alesiljo hi are you using the FL-C200?
No, i have TPC-100 from JNCT Laser
@@alesiljo Im not sure if your machine will use the same parameters, but I show some different parameters in this video and they worked well: ua-cam.com/video/i3A3VLotg5c/v-deo.html
Does a great job on aluminum....looks like new and its so hard to get that way....and my truck has to be white....
The aluminum is the most fun to clean because of such a huge difference in the before/after.
Would this work to remove powder coating from alloy wheels? Would the next size down be enough for just wheels?
@@tukn22inch It would absolutely remove powder coating. Gloss white will take a little longer than other colors. Black will remove the easiest. A 100w machine should be similar to the 200w machine, it will just take more time to clean due to less power.
@6yeargarage
What is the training needed to be able to use one of this machines?
Thanks!! 😊
No training is really needed, it is very simple to learn to use after reading the instruction manual. Understanding the parameters and modes helps as well.
Mostly involves not burning your retinas out.
@@FranktheDachshund very true, not staring directly into the laser is step 1.
Thank you for the video. I really like the air attachment that keeps the lens clean. I desperately need one of these machines. I've been trying to communicate with the people in China but they are very busy. How did you manage to purchase this machine? I would greatly appreciate any information you can provide.
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I'd love to get one of these to set a side business. I'll like this deliveredin INDIA without hassels.Would you recommend this for me.
Sure, contact Jason at Fortune Laser and he will be able to get it to you. jason@fortunelaser.com
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Hello, Once it's clean do you use any coating to protect it?
After laser cleaning is the ideal time to prime and paint the metal.
Amazing, what about on engine part or brake disc? Thank you for your time.
@@mattd744 I used it to clean an engine in this video ua-cam.com/video/S2EHprCWfCs/v-deo.html go to 2 min 20 sec.
@@mattd744 here is cleaning a rod/piston: ua-cam.com/users/shortsQ3vdUFsNMLs?feature=share
exhaust manifold: ua-cam.com/users/shortsB4KxDyMub4k?feature=share
Thats a fancy dancy tool!
Thank you for this interesting and informative Video 😊.
You're welcome!!
Onde eu consigo uma máquina dessas ?
Fortune Laser website link is in the description 👍
Awesome video. Can i ask.... Do you know? Will this clean masonry, driveways/statue's?
Yes it absolutely will, although it would take a very long time to clean a driveway with this particular machine.
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Dude thanks for getting back. Really appreciated. And yes. It would be time consuming for sure. But I keep thinking you could get a shed load done in an hour. The video I witnessed was from overspill of rust removal. The concrete literally went "BING" in seconds.... Thanks again. Interesting stuff....
@@returntochrist777 A continuous wave machine would be much faster for larger areas like a driveway.
I want one of these - so bad! I can't justify that much for my personal use, but it doesn't stop me dreaming.
Excellent explanation too! That answered questions I didn't know I had.
If I wasn't able to write it off for business, I would have gone with one of the lower priced models :)
I would buy one if I could think of some side hustle that I could use it on to help pay for it
Hello
Awesome instructional video. Really well paced and packed with information. Thank you for making the vid and posting it.
It's a shame they do not just list the prices. How much you ask, well how much you got.
I noticed that none of the laser companies list the prices on their website. I think it's because the technology is constantly evolving and they're getting cheaper. Also depends on your location because they cover shipping/tax/customs fees.
Don’t forget a high quality respirator! There is a particle that can potentially lead to death or serious health issues.
Except the particle I’m talking about that these emit, is far more deadly than 20 years of exposure to anything weld related.
@@mikephillips2984sorry, but they can be toxic.
what about using ultrasound?
I did do some testing with an ultrasonic cleaner to see what it could remove, and it didn't do very well at rust or corrosion: ua-cam.com/video/wIqUzE3tETk/v-deo.html
Do you have a link for sales commission? I'm about to purchase one of these things due to your video being so informative, so I figured i would show my gratitude for your efforts. Are you still happy with the machine? All good?
I'm extremely happy with this machine. Fortune Laser has had great customer service. I just got another machine from them, a 2000w CW laser. I don't have a link for commission, but if you tell them you're coming from Brian's video, they will give me a 2% credit toward my next machine. Thanks, I greatly appreciate it!
@@6thGearGarage i followed your links to your Facebook page and have some questions prior to pulling the trigger if you'd care to share your experiences with me. Things like, did you utilize a sourcing agent? How did you work out funding without the risk of being scammed? Things like that. Again, thanks for your video and any further instruction and I will certainly pass on your name when purchasing.
how much does the part cost?
Pulse wave would be great for cleaning graffiti off walls, I take it?
Yes, it would work excellent for graffiti.
very satisfying video !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Why does it come with a 110 plug if it needs 220?
I'm guessing because most of the world only uses 220, while North America uses 110 and 220, and they ship these world wide.
This might sound dumb but I need to know this before I buy one. Does it plug into a regular outlet? Like a home outlet?
@@cowee2012 No, it uses 220v (which is normal for the majority of the world) Here in North America, 110v is a normal house outlet. While the plug on the end of the power cord of the machine was the 110v style, it wold have probably caused damage if I plugged it into a regular 110v outlet. So I bought an adapter to convert the 110 plug to a plug that fits my 220v outlet. I would ask them if they can make a 110v version though. It may be possible because these pulsed machines are only 100w and 200w machines. They don't draw a ton of power like the 1000/1500/2000w continuous wave machines do.
@@6thGearGarage oh, I understand. I live in Hawaii and I googled what our standard outlet voltage is and google said 120v. Does the company you purchased the laser from make them in different voltages? If not, can you send me the link to your adapter thing?
@@cowee2012 oh sorry I just saw your last comment. Here is the link for the adapter www.ebay.com/itm/383726311328?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xklm77o8q4s&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=0_GEGSV4QDO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
good job, is there 300W 750W 1000W available？
Thanks,
They have a 100, 200 and 300w pulsed machine. I think I might have seen a 500w too. Their continuous wave machines start at 1000w.
Do you still need one set laser cleaning machine, sir? This is Jolene from TIPTOP laser. Always serving in the laser cleaning industry, paint, rust, stain and others attached to different materials can be washed away with laser.
Do i have a chance to talk with u?
believe our price will appeal to you. )))
very informative 👍
I heard it also clears up glaucoma.
Wish I had this when I was restoring an old mustang. Would have saved me 20 hours.
This machine has saved me so much time.
I think for a similar price you can get the one that welds as well
Actually a lot cheaper! I initially looked at the 3-in-1 welder/cutting/cleaning machine, which was about $3k cheaper. It's a continuous wave laser though, so the cleaning isn't as good for certain surfaces. I already have a mig welder, so I really needed a machine to do cleaning.
Which model? @@6thGearGarage
@@johnathonjsmith I don't recall the model #. It's on their website, have to contact them about the pricing though.
Отлично, спасибо , это то видео которое я искал . Очень информативно и понятно 👍
Can you get insurance on the machines?
They come with warranty, I'm not sure if insurance is available.
One question: what's the expected service life of the laser itself? When these type of devices came onto the scene a few ago (with continuous laser, I assume) the laser would gave, say, a 5000 hour service life before needing replacement. Pulsed and lower power likely will have remedied this.
That's a great question and I'm unsure of the answer. Keeping the machine clean is the best thing to extend its service life.
13:02 bro use a dry erase marker on the white paint ;)
I'm gonna have to try that, but I think it will evaporate the marker right away and still take as long to remove the paint.
You didn't cover gaussian vs flat top
I didn't know either applied to a pulsed laser cleaning machine, as the width of the beam can be adjusted up to 50mm.
@6thGearGarage each do different cleaning so it sucks to have to have one machine of each
@6thGearGarage is yours gauss?
@@jdaspects I don't know, I've never seen a laser cleaner advertised as either gaussian or flat top.
@@jdaspects are you referring to pulsed vs continuous wave? Those are the only two types of heavy duty laser cleaning machines I'm familiar with.
😊Great bemo, My friend purchased a 200w pulse laser machine and didn't get any settings for it, would it be possible to get the settings from you for the different types of materials if it's not too much trouble. We would really appreciate it as we are starting a new laser cleaning service. I live in Ireland so I'm not in opposition to you 😊.
Regards Michael O Shea
Sure, what is a good email to send them to?
Are you making any money with your laser or do you just use it in your own projects?
I’ve only used it for my own projects so far. If I get some spare time I might try to do some side jobs with it.
Well that figures lol. It doesn't like white paint. My jeep is white....everywhere on the sheet metal.
Will it be effective on my underpants
It will make a nice burn hole for future poos to fall through.
Bodacious dude!
I can’t imagine being a body shop, and not having one of these things. The time saved in man hours would pay for it very quickly.
200 watt or 2000 watt?
The one I bought is 200 w
@@6thGearGarage It seems to be no different than 2000 watt ones I've looked at
@@laserfalcon 2000w is continuous wave. This is a Pulsed laser, used for different types of applications.
@@laserfalcon CW laser is better for larger, heavy duty rust removal. Pulsed is better for sensitive pats.
@@6thGearGarage i was looking at a 2,000 watt system and was surprised 200 watt seemed to work just as well for rust
I want one.
ughhh no chemicals involved shure but atomazing oil resedue and paint aint exactly healthy to breath either
Yes, proper ventilation is a must.
yeah theres no chemicals in the process but the by product is the chemicals in the burnt off materials. Iron oxide is carcinogenic
Wait until you find out what your blood is made of
@@Creabsley just researched it yeah i feel a bit stupid know, that said though the fine particles over long periods of time can still be damaging, and iron isn't the only thing getting burned off
Hell yeah ...the price will drop on those just like 3D printers and CNC machines.
both of those still cost an arm and a leg....
I can't believe how much the prices have already dropped since 2020 when they were $100k. I think in a few more years it won't be uncommon for diyers to have one of these in their garage.
Don't hold your hopes up too much. It's in part thanks to 3D printing... sorry, _additive manufacturing,_ that the prices of industrial lasers have come down tremendously. 200 watt is a nice laser output power for an entry level powder bed selective laser melting (SLM) metal printer. Both types of devices benefit already from large drops in laser cost.
Thanks for the information.
It's saying if I wait every couple years they will half in price.
There will not be a shortage in rust anytime soon so if you need one now it's got to pay, rust removal charges won't be cheaper so maybe just pull the trigger and invest in yourself.
Happy days.
The Amount of time this machine has saved me is already worth it. Thanks for watching!
This product available in India.
I think it's available world wide.
Product price please.
@@samdas3119 at end of video or contact fortune laser (link in description) for latest pricing. I bought mine 6 months ago so prices may be different now.
I was interested all along, thinking maybe priced like high end plasma cutters for example but then…..the price. Stopped the video right there.
Understandable... I'm lucky to be able to use this as a write-off. They also have less expensive models on their website.
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I could see paying to have the underside of my vehicle laser cleaned. Id pay extra for the first person laser cam footage too lol.
I will say... DON'T laser clean anything rubber lol. I learned that first hand.
Hey dude, good presentation, could you please send me the contact information for your supplier. Well done.
Thanks! You can email Jason at jason@fortunelaser.com. I also have his WhatsApp, if you prefer to reach him there.
Both types are only working for surface rust. It is its biggest disadvantage. They do NOT work for thick rust.
Dude, love the lasers but I'm laughing why and how long it took.. Even fast forward was slow.. pretty good at light modeling but not automotive. 9000? Lol.. not cheap? But what did it do?
This pulsed is ideal for smaller or specific tolerance items which need to be cleaned without altering the original surface. I just got a 2000w continuous wave machine and it's perfect for large items. the beam is 300mm wide instead of 50mm. It does create a lot more heat though.
BEWARE UA-camrs of these cheap cleaning lasers! (not ALL Chinese lasers are bad, but do your homework)...most of these thing are 'toys"
1. Avoid anything with a Raycus laser diode (they are getting better, but there is a reason why they are so cheap...most won't last a year...)
2. Don't get a unit that cleans AND welds (they do neither well)
3. Get a unit with USA tech support (from a dealer....avoid Amazon/Alibaba, or you WILL be sorry)
4. Get a unit that has a chiller for the diode (for a continuous wave laser like the one in this video)...pulse wave up to 300w is ok without
5. Make sure the head has an air blade (keeps the protective lenses cleaner much longer/ extends optics life)
6. Continuous Wave lasers are usually the way to go (unless doing thin material/ Aluminum / heat treat scale)....then go to a pulse laser
7. Don't use they eyewear that comes with the laser cleaner (they are always OD 5...should be at least OD 7+ @ 1.0 - 1.1 nm range wavelength)
8. Don't use welding goggles as eyewear (totally different wavelength...won't protect eyes at all)
9. Bescutter is probably the best entry level cleaning laser / bang for the buck...has a 2 year on sight service warranty
10. If USA made cleaning lasers are in your budget I'd recommend Laser Marking Technologies (1/2 the price of the big boys with better core and optics)
11. Ask for references....folks who have been using them for a while will be glad to share the good, the bad and the ugly
You have many good points that I agree with 100% - I'm skipping over those to keep this shorter. I disagree with #3 though. Fortune Laser is based in China, yet their customer support has been incredible.
#4. The machine in this video is an air cooled Pulsed laser, not continuous. I think all continuous wave machines are liquid cooled... and yes, definitely avoid any that are not.
#6. It really depends on the type of cleaning you'll do. CW machines tend to etch/overheat the surface to a point where the surface is no longer smooth. Great for larger steel items where surface appearance does not matter. I feel pulsed is superior because it's usable on much more. Ideally, owning both machines would be the perfect scenario.
#7. The protective eyewear that came with my machine was correct. I'd question the integrity of any company including the wrong eyewear, as that's very important.
#9 I looked up Bescutter and it's hard to justify their $57,000 200w machine at 6.5x the cost of this one... but if you're a corporation and can afford such an expensive machine then more power to you. I don't think that's feasible as a small business owner or hobbyist. I think prices will continue to drop as more companies continue to manufacture these machines.
It’s a good idea not to use these machines outside in high wind conditions cause the wind can cause the laser beam to drift or “blow around” making it dangerous as you can easily cause collateral damage.
I wasn't aware that could happen, thanks.
Laser is light. When the hell did wind start blowing light around?
I'll bet that Jason was very helpful because it only cost him $1,000 in China.
When the machines light source fails, your looking at thousands to replace it.
Cool
You speak oddly my guy. But killer vid. Informative.
Yeah, I'm no pro... thanks for watching!
So cool. The only good thing about living is southern commiefornia desert is rust isn’t really an issue here.. but man that 😊laser is hella sweet to watch remove rust
It sure is. Also, I need to buy my next project vehicle from down there!
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And He is the One Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon each one floating (and moving) in an orbit.
youtube mary and jesus in the quran and mohmmad in the bible and the Torah and the scientific miracles of the quran and mohmmad in hindu scripture
…
according the bible that you have
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God doesn't get tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
(Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God
(Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn
(Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus dies
(1 Timothy 1:17) God doesn't die
(Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation
(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God Doesn't grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus isn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus isn't all knowing
(Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing
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