This is very accurate depiction of what the culture is becoming. The lack of morals/caring/shame people have is out of hand. It's not all people, but the ones with this behaviour are ruining it for everyone.
True but this guy is misleading people, I had an online argument with this guy, he simply doesn't want to know the truth.Arrogance and downright dishonest statements will get people's backs up. He bags Mitsubishi Pajero and Nissan Patrol but sounds the Trumpet of praise for his LandCruiser. Mitsubishi Pajero even made it into the Guinness World book of records due to the staggering number of wins on the Paris Dakar circuit, a total of 12 championships out of 24 entries. Toyota Land cruiser have never won even though they had countless entries.
@@samueljesse2179 Do you listen to other peoples' opinions before writing your own? Where exactly did you hear him say that the Patrol is garbage? And did you not hear that the Pajero racer had no resemblance to the commercial vehicle that you bought??
I thought the bogan is the one who specially is not respectful of others? Bogans may say they are respectful but in reality they are not. I am I right? If you say so you probably are not a bogan. Andrew him self said that not everyone who drivers a Patrol is a bogan.
Hi from Queensland, I own 2 Nissan Patrols, a 1989 and a 2007. They are nicknamed Gnarly and Berries. I really like the vehicles but I must admit that they are perceived as bogan mobiles. On the 4wd tracks here at Kenilworth we see many more bogans in Patrols than any other brand. But that does not include me or my wife of course 😉
I’ve driven most tracks at Kenilworth a few 2-3 years ago. We went back recently to drive some of our favourite tracks only to find out they’ve barricaded it off. It really put a dampener on things for us. But I believe the reasoning was the amount of ‘P’ plate bogans that come through. and toss litter out onto the tracks and destroy them. There was one in particularly that was a fantastic track to drive it was just past ‘horse shoe rd’ just off ‘Sunday creek rd’. Such a shame it’s been closed down.
@@MetalHayd Hi, I talked to a couple of the forestry guys and they told me that when they are working in an area, they will close off the tracks for safety reasons until the work is complete. Some of the tracks have been reopened now.
I’m from the Uk, London area and have always looked on in envy at how in Australia and South Africa you can simply drive off road into the wilderness and almost go anywhere you desire. What a privilege.
@@sheldoncelliers450 Yeah, I know there's many gravel roads outside the cities, but places where you can just drive willy nilly into the wilderness? No way. We don't even have those tracks like Australia.
As someone who has lived in the remote outback, North West of WA, for 30 years and has been 4wdíng since childhood (and 4x4 all day long as my day job) - you are spot on with the recent drift toward horrible attitudes ,bad driving and environmental damage. Though it is painting with a broad brush, "bogan" behaviour in capable 4x4s is very disappointing. Only yesterday did I see a 4wd (yes a Patrol) hooning along a closed beach that has hundred of endangered Loggerhead turtle nests, and it is turtle egg hatching season. Access to the beach is closed with large signs and gates requesting stay away from turtle nests, yet they were driving right over them. This is not an isolated incident either, and has been occurring more frequently. it is a serious environmental concern.
@Alex Hills Why crush the car? That is not good for the invironment. Just sell it on auction. That way it will bring money for the rangers to hunt such people down and the effect on those bogans are the same...
Here is the difference: there are the ones that like to go off road to enjoy nature and get way. The peace, quiet, the birds, flowers, mountains, dunes, fresh air, the tranquility. bliss. And there are the ones that like to go off road and destroy nature and crash it under their 70" tires. We all know and understand the difference.
or people actually offroad for the challenge. I see city people saying how so and so is destroying the environment. you can go mow over bushesh trees, whatever here in the pnw, and a few months later you will not know a vehicle ever went through there. way too many arm chair generals who didnt grow up in the bush. the worst part here isnt anyone being a hillbilly, or bogam, its dirt bags dumping garbage that get stuff shut down.
@@airbats801 As a territorian I see city people aiming there 4wd at every creek and puddle? WTF? if you drive around Alice springs you can see the path some took years ago.
@@airbats801 on the NSW Central Coast it's pretty easy to see when someone has pushed through the scrub and then everyone starts to follow. Next thing you know that track is ripped up as much as the original. It doesn't get a chance to recover as they just keep driving over it until it's all dead.
Coming from the younger generation my self included own a patrol, i think it is just the younger generation still maturing and learning to respect others and the bush. I do hope we as a generation do change for the better before more areas do shut down.
It is so true that off-roading has changed. It’s hard to find a camp site without finding trash all over. I pick up what I can, but it is sad. Also people always think you need a 6“ lift and big tires, it’s sad my stock FJ has taken me everywhere I wanted to go. Love you videos.
Hi Andrew, can't say I agree 100% with your state of view. I'm a 76 series owner and love it immensely. To be honest I have to say I have seen my share of bogan Toyota owners too lol. Having said this, I applaud freedom of speech ( or what is left of it ) in this country, Australia, and enjoyed your point of view. Keep it real mate - still enjoying yor channel. 👍
As solo female traveller I have learnt that it is an older Patrol I have to look out for, followed closley by a brand spanking new Ford Ranger. The only times I have felt and/or been threatened is by the drivers of these vehicles. I have also noticed a sharp decline in the condition of off road tracks. Some our now impassible, just chewed up. Espicially those closer to towns as lockdowns meant 'fun' was being sourced closer to home. My neighbour is a ranger and tells me the damage is extensive. There is concern for the next bad fire season as fire trucks etc will not be able to get in to extinguish fires. They had only really finished cleaning up the track from the shocking fires we had, now with the massive rainfalls here on the east coast in the last two summers coupled with the idots tearing up the tracks it's like having to start up again. Ha dont get him started on the mess being made on the beaches.
Problem is I'm afraid: banning beach and wilderness driving because of too much testosterone out there driving badly is just the next fatal step after banning sporty competition, shouting and physical fighting as "toxic masculinity" from kindergardens, schoolyards and playgrounds, replacing it with female toxicity like reputation-ruining and "safety" rule-implementing. What do You think makes men buying big rims and wide tyres, what makes them putting on audible pipes? Look and listen into undisturbed nature: what You hear any time of the day is a buncha boy beasts tryna getting laid, be it the deer flaunting its biiig antlers despite of those it still is able to become the biggest, best fed shouter of 'em all, be it the froggo or the bloody birdies shouting You outta Your sleeping bag once day dawns..... Give those "bad driving" men somehow back what the unhealthy influx of feminism and feminists in politics and lawmaking took away from them for more than half a decade now, and You will be way safer out there again. I travelled a lot over the last 45 years (male singlehander though) and found the worst problems for everyone, no matter where on the globe, always in places "woke" feminists had tried to "fix". City capitalism (green washed electro-bikes, electro cars, electro-everything for the ones well off and "don't do anything" for the deplorables) is another problem, which ain't gendered as much as "bad driving" and "wilderness hooliganism" was though.
OMG, glad I'm not the only person to think the same about Ford Ranger drivers, especially jacked up ones with enormous flared guards. These vehicles instantly attract societies complete dickheads.
You don't get 70 series bearing down on you mere cms away? You don't get hiluxs trying to overtake at the worst possible moments? Im going to start a UA-cam channel based on my dash cams and Toyota drivers. I've not once had a ranger driver cause me hassle. It's ALWAYS a Toyota ea h n every bloody time!
Loudest trucks I've run into in my travels around Australia are toyota v8. I couldn't care what brand of truck drive. Respect for others, safety and the environment.
A VALUED COMMENT FROM ROB: Andrew, I would disagree that “they know who they are”. Few people - some, but not many - are deliberate wanton douchebags. They just think this is acceptable. Their peers think it’s acceptable. Their UA-cam heroes think it’s acceptable. The 4WD retail accessories industry throws ads in their face showing it as acceptable. Even the 4WD manufacturers advertise that way. There is an entire generation of younger Australian 4WDers getting into the hobby not because their parents did, but because their friends are. Whereas once they’d have got their left and right of arc described to them by Dad, or a traditional club, or a reputable industry magazine, now they watch Fully Sik Full Send on UA-cam instead. They’re not deliberately bogans. They just don’t know any better. You’d think it would be in the vested interests of the three-letter accessory brands, and the big dual-cab manufacturers, to offer a bit of free training and education.
@@frankporziella1460 now certain ones of them think making a clean up bag covers them on the tread lightly bit. The fact they spin tires, roll cars etc doesn't seem to matter because they have made a bag.
Very very true!!! The likes of Graeme and Shauno (24/7 4x4 or whatever they call themselves), do more damage to the image of 4 wheel drivers than anything else. None of this has the slightest bias towards the poor old, defence-less Nissan Patrol. For what it's worth, my Silverado rides on 37" tyres and I barely ever take it off road. 37" tyres do NOT equal bad drivers or behaviour. Andy, your propensity for generalising detracts from your otherwise excellent content.
There used to be defensive driving courses, for car, bikes and off-road. In OLD it was run by the RACQ and cost was under a $100, this was 30 odd years ago. It would be nice if the likes of RACQ, RAC and dealers offered some sort of training.
Some very astute observation and pertinent commentary. Those that suffer selective hearing and a lack of social empathy will be the death of more than just a way of life.
Wait a minute. I’m a Californian who married a Australian over 45 years ago. She has been calling me a Bogan for years! I asked her what that meant and she said it was a “form of endearment” jeeez.
I think in this context Bogans could also be described as the Send It Crew. If you really think you need 35’s to get to the beach and know intimately what your rev limiter sounds like: that’s you, no matter that you’re driving. Of course this has led to the drivetrain arms race for more 4WD owners now that the tracks are chopped out. No one left in Parks and Wildlife to occasionally drag a railway tie or bent track section to knock off the hump. Times have changed that’s for sure.
It's similar in the UK, I bought an ex army Defender to do green laning with my children, had some great days but now a lot of the lanes are deliberately spiked or blocked by locals, when you see the larger groups of people that blast past peoples front doors it's easy to see why the locals get pissed off and eventually have the lanes closed completely. I won't mention the usual types of vehicle but suffice to say more is spent on tyres a lift kit, popcorn remap and a hi lift jack than on the purchase of the vehicle. Its a shame and more lanes are being closed or having restrictions placed on them.
I live in Western Australia and have been four wheel driving since the 1980s and we have lost access to a huge number of really nice places due to a small minority of people who would be happier driving around a tank testing ground than really travelling to remote and wild places. Possibly the travel restrictions have worsened the problem as have four wheel drives becoming more powerful and faster than previous generations that were slower and a lot more agricultural and not seen as a youthful vehicle, I fear for future generations not having the opportunity to drive on beaches wild camp things that the previous generations took for granted.Regards Mike
Agree! I live near the Barrington tops/ Nundle SF and I’ve been camping there for years. The tracks in the parks are starting to close due to being cut up by the usual suspects. The remote access to these parks and forests may be shut down soon. There definitely needs to be education so that these remain open for our kids to enjoy.
On my last trip to Dirk Hartog Island some of the driving on the steep point road was shocking the digging of huge holes in the track by V8 vehicles not engaging four wheel drive till bogged or lowering tyre pressure made it so much harder for people towing or with less clearance
When I started 4 wheel driving, which I started as a traveller to North Africa in 1997, it already has been like this here in Germany. Restrictions all over and it gets worse these days all over Europe and in North Africa. In the early days, where the word overland did not exist as the meaning it has today, there where the 4x4 clubs and a handfull of globetrotters in 4x4 vehicles. Most of the globetrotters drove old military trucks and the guys in the smaller 4x4s had G Wagon, Landrover or Toyota Landcruiser, seldom a Nissan Patrol. All these restrictions that we had later on in North Africa, as the rules for an accompanying local guide in Tunisia or Libya (where you had to take a police officer as well) or nowadays in Algeria (where I will go in 2 weeks from now) have mainly to do with "adventure tourists in 4x4s" not travellers. These tourists are doing this kind of travelling for other reasons as someone who is interessted in cultures, environments and people in other countries. The automobile industry is building 4x4s and the community like magazines, websites, influencers, tourism industry, 4wd businesses ... is building the lifestyle and anyone in this industry wants to make an income. As you said, its a bit as in any industrie fishing, hunting ... name it. Some of the big names in the german overland industrie do have their part in the restrictions in travelling North Africa. As long as the companies are small and owner operated, the heartbeat goes with the corporate identity. As they grow, the numbers of clients has to grow. But where out of a sudden do these overlanders all come from??? Its a bit like a hipe since 10/15 years. But the places you can go do not get more. So it will get more crowded and as mankind is, there will be more rules and restrictions, no matter what make once is driving. We had the idea of a 4x4 travel ethic around 2000. Together with the old Sahara Forum by Yves Laboulette and a few commercials and travellers. But what is an ethic noone is really interessted in? Someone like you could use his name for a thing like that! 10 simple rules (take your rubbish, behave like you want your visitors to behave, respect other cultures even if you are not agreeing with, don't take things that do not belong to you like artefacts, ...) or what ever is neede for our self control before it gets worse. Long comment :-)
It's the same with cross country cycling or down hill, before you could go everywhere where you want as there were only a few. Now there are so many right that Forrest owners 8nly allow cycling on the normal paths and it will end in a total ban of cycling. They just ignore, build their own trails and even use chain saws. Garbage everywhere, damaged trees and blocked ditches.
One of the best, ASPW - you nailed it. We've all been there cringing as the "billy bob" 4x4's roll into camp. That's one of the benefits of hiking, bogons don't.
Here in Florida, USA you know the campground is ruined when the Cherokee XJs and the Dodge Rams arrive 😂 But they are nothing compared to the people driving ATV's and SxS's
Well said! Luckily they tend to stay in the mudholes. What cracks me up are the giant RAMS with 30inch rims, 33 inch mud tires and 3 foot lifts. Not only will they never see dirt but they would be horrid off road.
It's sad how 4x4s that were once used as bullet proof overlanders are now turning into urban tractors for school run. First it was the discovery, then the G class, following with that it's the Patrol and now it's the legendary Land Rover Defender. RIP to all these 4x4s. Much rather build a restored patrol y60 over the luxury apartment on wheels.
@@R00RAL not to forget, majority of those real 4x4s are turning into sissy crossovers because of city folks. The Chevy Blazer and the jeep commander for example.
@@GRcorolla-bt3mn i agree, supply & demand. Can't blame a company for wanting to sell a product. I do blame the f×wits that drive past you at 60-80km hour between you and the water.. I've seen woman & children near run over. My own father went wild when a 4x4 cut in on us, fool drove under his fishing rod dragging it down the beach.. I wonder sometimes if it goes back to the basics of parenting or the lack of. Or is it a popularity contest on social media ?? Thats another thing that annoys me. Your sitting at a lovely spot enjoying life, some fool turms up sends the location to 10k people on his phone ... the weekend becomes a nightmare of constantly looking & then trying to sleep at night as they go all hours. Ive even had some 4x4 d-heads pull out high powered rifles and start shooting ... Nothing surprises me any more.
With respect Andrew, you put fuel on the fire, you knew that some of your ‘fans’ were in a camp, you poked the beast. Like it or not, when you reach a level of audience, words have weight.
Andrew, you have hit the nail right on the head. This has happened where I live and you will know it very well, Exmouth WA. I have lived here now for 27 years and we could drive on a number of our beaches, especially the westside. Now all but closed off, not saying it was only about the bogan 4WDrivers but had a lot to do with it. Now it has started on the Exmouth Gulf side beaches recently, the far northern beach closed to vehicles. The way some 4WDrivers that driving along the gulf beaches, more will close, some are just crazy idiots and they fit your description perfectly.
The problem with this guy is that he bags Mitsubishi Pajero and Nissan Patrol but blows his trumpet with the Toyota Land cruisers, even though he's never worked on them. Ask him how Toyota Land cruiser never won a Paris to Dakar? Mitsubishi Pajero won 12 and made it into the Guinness World records book, Toyota Land cruiser had countless entries in the Paris to Dakar but no championships.
Andrew, you are one of the best ( the smartest, the most sophisticated ) youtube journalist ever! Keep fighting for making the 4x4 world a better place to live and drive!
Guys there, you will not believe how happy we are in the middle east with that sweet 3 doors nissan patrol with 4.8 engine 😁 it is the ultimate dream of any 4x4 driver around the world 🥰
They're dangerously modded because there's no avenue to do it safely like in WA. Why go to the expense of the extra parts if your going to get defected either way.
@@Robert-cu9bm Nah the ones in WA are all illegally modified too. Every state has fairly restrictive (for good reason) laws on modifications, in particular for the discussion of smog blasters it's illegal to defeat emissions control systems like the DPF because diesel soot is terrible for anything that breathes.
I used to love going down to Sodwana in the 90's and park my Nissan Safari on the beach with side-awning & camp chairs out close enough to the tidal pools to keep an eye on our young kids while waiting for my next scuba dive. I was furious when I heard about a change in the regulations due to the behaviour of a few hooligans that screwed it up for so many. Understandably, in the good ol' days Sodwana Bay beach was a showcase of all brands of 4x4's, many with fancy extras fitted but the 'boguns' were very noticable, aggravated by alcohol. And so, sadly, a very special era came to an end.
Well said Andrew, having owned a Nissan GQ (the hand grenade model), it took us fishing and camping to some very remote spots, loved that vehicle. We have also had our trip ruined by the selfish yobbos who think they can do what they like, don’t know what the solution to that sort of behaviour. Maybe it’s up to all of us to call it out when it occurs so we (and them) can enjoy the great Aussie outdoors, bush and beach.
@@Mookiemadskillz It was the 2000 model that had a habit of blowing cylinder #4 after about 150K, I managed my to nearly 200K, other wise a great 4x4. Moved to a Toyota 105 which has the same solid front axle as the GQ, great machine.
Job well done Andrew. Your honest and factual reporting is rare in this day and age. What you mentioned about beach driving is what we see on our doorstep, the Noosa North Shore, Fraser Island and also in the NP of the Kenilworth Ranges - all loved to death and inevitably soon to change as a result of the number of vehicles.
You nailed it.... GQs and GUs just have historically been a bogan 4wd, however as they age and become more "classic" they are falling out of the scene now to an extent...and are being replaced by every cheap 10-15 year old turbo diesel dual cab ute you can think of 😅
I've had LandCruisers and patrols and Pajeros the best are the Pajero. LandCruisers are crap box's on wheels too many things go wrong. Ford Broncos are probably worse, cramped up fuel guzzlers
@@samueljesse2179 Pajeros are very much in a different category of vehicle, much more of an SUV then a serious offroad wagon, weak drivetrain and poor ground clearance and approach angles etc.
Well done Andrew. Fantastic call out. Big picture thinker and this is a concerning prediction for us all. Hopefully your wise words are echoed by the majority of good 4WD drivers.
Great video Andrew, and quite timely too. I too enjoy 4wd camping in remote places for the serenity and the type of drivers you talk about absolutely will result in tracks in this country being closed. It’s the bad apples unfortunately
In South Africa the bogan mobile of choice for the last 10years or so has been the Ford Ranger, with a ‘raptor’ kit. Especially the 2.2xl 4x2. On the cheapest noisiest Chinese no name brand mud terrain rubber, a fake clip on snorkel, and a mustang front grill.
With Australias border closures I’d imagine the problem has got worse. People not being able to travel so buying a 4x4 and not respecting the landscape etc making the problem worse for everyone
I have to admit that I didn't like how the video started, but halfway through I realized that I completely agree with the bottom line: "it takes very few of them, to mess it up for everybody".
Well said Andrew. I have owned 2 Patrols in the past, a GQ and a GU. Both were fantastic off road, and extremely rugged in construction. The criticism I would have about still selling them (or rather why they aren't still sold here) is that the Y61 Patrol frontal offset collision rating is very low scoring only 6 out of 16 in 2011 (last tested) where Toyota 76 series vehicles in 2016 scored 14 out of 16 and perfect scores in the other crash tests, with a final score of 35 out of 37 which is amazing for a vehicle of that nature. Some people may think this isn't important, but if you have teenage children that want to borrow the car, and you get a knock on the door and someone telling you your child has been killed in a car accident, it is too late to re-think that choice.
Hey Andrew.....you are absolutely right, I live in Portugal, and here it’s the same, Nissan Patrol GR, the 3 door or the 5 door, its easy to win the lottery that to find a stock patrol ! 37” tires, 2 or 4” lift, swaped the TD6 or 3.0Di engine for BMW M57 engine making lots of smoke because it have “400cv”.
It is so true when you go beach driving and you are enjoying the day just watching all these great 4x4's and the unique set up they all have, along comes the one we all know what it looks like just hooning up the beach without any concern of public safety, you just pack up and go home. I drive a Pajero and all your critiques enable me to modify my 4x4 to make it a better off roader, your knowledge has been extremely for off road enthusiasts.
The question is, even if there are hooners out there (inevitable wherever you go), will we tolerate imminent government regulations because of that? I hope not. Go the mighty paj 💪
Great video Andrew, thanks for pointing this out. I absolutely encourage people and especially the younger ones to get out and have fun. It's one of my biggest fears too that due to a small number of people behaving badly that it will ruin it for most. I am very familiar with what happened in South Africa and even the UK and USA. You are right about Australia being one of the last countries with this much freedom. If you are a youngster reading this, please consider this video and how your actions could affect you and others. The older generation can make a difference too I think in engaging and interacting with the younger generation. I think the only way for these freedoms to remain is for everyone to try and see things from the other's perspective. Lastly, I definitely want to say that Aussies are in general very proud of their country, the majority of old and young I come across generally do the right thing. Keep it up guys.
This speaks to me on a profound level, Andrew. Here in the States, we are facing very similar issues with our land (specifically beaches) access, for the very same reasons you describe.
Totally agree. My theory is, and only in the Australian context, is that the bogans that once drove Commodores and Falcons have now got into 4wds - Patrol, Hilux and Tritons to supplement their Kias and Hyundai’s. Now don’t get me started about the aggressive wankers in their V6 Amoroks ( to supplement their Audis!). For the record, I’m an N80 Hilux driver
I have watched a lot ASPW and most of them I found to be very informative if you are building a overlander or dreaming of the life style. He has brilliant photography skills that really brings over a beautiful story. Unfortunately with this 15 minutes he has in many ways destroyed that illusion or dream. To dislike a car and refuse to own one because of one or two people that you have come across is a bit ridiculous and short sighted. Mr ASPW I am sorry but you have disappointed me but never the less I will still continue to enjoy my patrol despite what you say even if I fit 37 inch wheels. There are many of us who do modifications to our cars to enjoy them more. And oh by the way the majority of your videos are about you improving your Toyota. And oh by the way the majority of us do respect nature and the trails. Dont let one or two idiots ruin it for you and you never own a Patrol.
he is entiltled to his opinion as you are to yours.To deny yourelf his epxrience and what i regard as a real open minded view in his vehicle builds and equipment choces is only doing your self out of that view. As he said it is not really about Nissan Patrols.
Nailed it sir! I started at about 18 years old in an old CJ7. Avoided the buffoons going back and forth in mud holes, breaking their vehicles, and instead drove to explore trails. I was also fortunate that one day. Waiting for a haircut, an old gentleman driving a CJ5 came inside and we started a conversation. He advised me on driving with class, to never do more than a three inch lift, 33s… I still appreciate his advice.
I’ve traveled round Australia and seen many, what you call “bogans” in my eyes just wankers, drive vehicles of all sorts. I’ve seen rich people also ruin camp sites just as much as “bogan” oriented people. Manufacturers got nothing to do with it. Those P plater and certain aged crowd purchase certain vehicles because they think it’s cool. For eg lots of p platers buy a GQ patrol and younger adults buy a 79 dual cab when they aren’t a farmer and have to live with a mortgage on wheels and then try sell it for ridiculous money for the balloon payment. I really couldn’t care about race, colour or wealth of anyone as I only care if you a polluting our environment and leaving rubbish everywhere and doing burnouts and damaging the tracks to just show off to your barely legal girlfriend. I’m bit old school sure but I’d rather have have respect then Instagram followers. D**kheads come in all shapes and sizes unfortunately.
100% The gqs are an affordable solid car that’ll take you places so it attracts a younger crowd, but I find the 79 series drivers around the vic high country are the loudest and worst people to set up camp near. Gross.
Good points Sir. I agree with the greater idea you are pitching. In Canada (my area of Canada that is) the 6" lifted black Dodge diesel 3/4 or 1 ton truck with blacked out lights and rims, fully tinted windows, and aftermarket exhausts etc. Is the cliche 4x4 bogan. Not everyone driving these rigs is a bad apple but the vehicle type meets the stereotype. Tough not to notice the brand and modification association to belligerent behavior. The people who are the exception to this observation will of course be cross with this observation but again, the stereotype comes from something somewhere. Now, all that said these guys are usually parking lot princesses. It's the side by side that is the off road menace in the bush. Haha, I shall now await the appropriate internet ridicule.
If you look at the channel Matt's Off road recovery, you'll be dumbstruck at the amount of damage USA bogans do to the environment. They literally tear and wheelspin the desert to pieces. It's absolutely cruel how humans are destroying their own and only home😢😢😢
The last Dodge made pickups were the third generation Ram ( before Ram split from Dodge in Oct 2009 to become a seperate brand and manufacturer ) so I guess that they’re old enough and cheap enough for young bogans to buy.
Bingo. Exactly what I was thinking about the US as well when Andrew was talking. Here it's not limited to Dodge - it's Chevy and Ford HD pickups too... Just add some "truck nuts" to the tow hitch and you get the picture.
As someone who has got a Y62 on order (replaced our LX570) I agree about the bogan element that like the Patrol. Am I 1? no (well I don't think so) but I also know that I would rather be the change I want to see so if there are more of us who are respectful/nicer/etc we can rebuild the image of the vehicles.
Andrew, my wife and I watch your channel and have read your books. We totally understand your frustration when attempting to mind your own business - enjoying this great land when an idiot/s turn up and ruin the serenity. However...we do own a vehicle with extensive modifications and yes 37's. Your frustration is equal to our hurt, being constantly judged! The saying of "don't judge a book by it's cover" is our view.
Totally agree, that’s why you can’t judge a person by what they drive. Andrew is way out of line here, you should be able to drive what works for you and not have some snob going oh shit here comes a Patrol or here comes a bogan with 37’s.
Hit the nail on the head Andrew. I think the next 5 - 10 years will be very telling for the 4wd industry. I fear not only beaches will be closed but camp sites along the Murray River will be in the firing line... I don't think people have changed, it's just a hell of alot more people have access to a 4wd now thus putting the pressure on everything.
Sorry about the abuse from Nissan drivers - I am a Ford Maverick driver LOL - like you I grew up in Land-rovers and still do like them and miss the experience - my first 4wd was a 60 series LCruser But this is my second Maverick- the first survived Cape York towing a camper trailer ( including the Lura - Maytown track - 70 km in 2 day) - love your channel - love your opinion’s The the saying goes “take only memory’s and tread lightly”
Not sure what Andrew is talking about in the Video. I thought thw GU was discontinued in 2013 and is not longer sols anywhere. Only the Y62 is sold right now. And that is not really built for offroading. Does he want some resurrection of the GU?
I find it hilarious how some people get that attached to a brand. I’m a mechanic and I’ve had pretty much every brand of 4x4 including a couple of Patrols in which one turned in to a grenade even with the mods. The fact is though and i was only thinking it a couple of weeks ago standing in line at the servo. I was about 6 people back from the counter and the guy second in line has the worst mullet you’ve ever seen wearing a hi vis shirt (total bogan) and as i looked outside I was like you know what? I bet he is the one in that Patrol that looks like it hadnt had a wash since the showroom! Guess what it was his car🤷🏻♂️😂! And saying that i can also say being a mechanic I’ll never own a Land rover product because like everyone I have my reasons why. The fact is we can all have different opinions and that is why there is different brands because we all have our reasons and choices. Stop being so petty, more bogans drive Patrols, it’s just a fact 🤷🏻♂️! If you’re offended maybe you’re the bogan driving one😂!
@@shamrockgerry It has gotten to the point i refuse to work on them. They are a nightmare to do anything on, break easily (including air suspension) and end up with electrical issues that do your head in, overheat transmissions from factory towing caravans and are expensive to maintain and parts availability is very limited. The companies that do keep parts charge a premium for the convenience of having them in the country. I’m sure some people love them though, just not me. They drive ok between break downs though😜!
@@pk-so1mj That's why I still drive a Series 2A. Sure, not as comfortable as a 200 series but alot bloody simpler. As a LR enthusiast I stopped liking Land Rover when they stopped using beam axles. They were never good with electrics so what made them think filling it full of electrickery was a good idea. Roll on the Grenedier! Don't get me wrong when it's a mid week built newer Landy they're a good, capable machine but generally overcomplicated and overpriced! Maybe cos they're a "luxury" vehicle they think rich cunts can afford the repairs😁 I suspect the whole LR are unreliable and Toyotas are "bombproof" is like the AK47s are inaccurate and AR15s unreliable arguments. In reality it's more in the middle. LR are more reliable than expected. Toyotas have more problems than expected. AK47s are more accurate than expected. AR15s are more reliable than expected. An acquaintance who threw shade on my 1967 S2A and bragged about how bombproof his Hilux was ate his words when his engine greneded itself 2 months ago😂 So whatever you drive, stay humble!👍🏻 If not humble, then keep a sense of humour when you're humiliated!🖕🏻😆
Top video yep you nailed it if we don't clean up our own mess and want to rat bag around we are going to lose our freedoms I have owned 3 4wds and they have given much pleasure over the past 30yrs and I have never driven on the beach the beach is SACRED LAND enjoy your off-roading every body
Most ratbags we have had the misfortune to camp alongside have been driving heavily modified loud Landcruiser 70's. Ive never had a single issue with a Patrol owner.
We always found it was guys in older Hiluxs and maybe the odd 70 series. The guys in 80s and GQ etc were always just fine. I think they just had nothing to prove.
Really valuable video. I have to say I think bogun when I see a 70 series rather than patrols, but overridingly true it’s how the vehicle actually presents more than brand.
As an old guy who was driving 70’s since they first arrived in Australia, I find the notion of hotheads & bogans driving my beloved 70 ridiculous, absurd even…… yet I continue to potter along in my own little world doing what I’ve always done. I look sideways & see the bogans rip past many of which are driving fully laden 79DC’s. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you could confuse who is who 😂 The only other thing I would say (& I’m now old, almost frail), call this young twits out, I know I do. If you see some goose damaging the environment by being a ball tearing bogan, call him/them out, record it & report it. Let’s weed these deadshits out. So true what ASPW says, if you want to tear arse like a meathead, GOTO one of the 4x4 parks, you have no place in the Australian wilderness. I’m glad I’m old & Ive travelled extensively, I feel sad for those who won’t experience the true beauty of what being able to travel the great country in 4x4’s will miss out on.
You have nailed it Andrew. It all comes down to respect and care. We have a fragile environment and many freedoms which are abused by some making it difficult for those of us who really care.
I do not understand why people dive in make comments and do not listen to exactly what point another person is making. They only have their own opinion and that is that. It becomes an argument not a discussion from them.
This very week we saw Bogan morons in action up on Bribie Island. For over a decade now newly arrived residents at flash new canal estates on Bribie have been campaigning to stop people 4wding on 'their beaches', which we have done for generations now. This goose was filmed absolutely ploughing into a creek at high tide - right beside kids playing in the water ... and surprise surprise he flooded it and it began to float away. Qld Police even posted it on Facebook as they were after the goose - and they did get him. 100% agree - these are the morons that will kill 4WDing for ALL of us. And the same goes with people that leave all their rubbish and broken gazebos everywhere. :(
You are wrong about it being newly arrived residents. Most of us newbies support it remaining open. It is the older people who have lived here for decades that want is shut down. These same people also hate all the newly arrived residents.
Your 100% right it’s mainly the younger bogens in 4wds showing off that are getting all the tracks shut and they just don’t give a shit and nothing we can do about it ,
Andrew, I agree with everything you've said. From memory the criticism you tendered was appropriate and more, specifically the behaviour on the Canning. I also concur that unsympathetic bush driving will likely threaten track closures. I watched a very popular 4WD programme on a commercial channel about 18 months ago and the 'star' was ripping the guts out of a creek exit while trying to drag a very heavy trailer. I submitted an adverse comment to which there was no reply. So it's not only the bitumen cowboys that do damage, it's also TV heroes. I like your posts Andrew.
Fan-boyz will fight & defend their product till the death, some of the worst fan-boyz are owners of.… Patrols, Adventure Kings, Engel even Drifta. Nothing but nothing is better in their eyes.
Nah, theyll buy the adventure kings fridge too🤣 engel in my experience make excellent fridges. My dad had/has (I'm not too sure as its been a while) an engel fridge for donkeys years, even has one in his work truck that gets abused with oil all over it, holding stupid heavy items at times and still runs mint. It could also be I've never really experienced any other brand other than evacool. But hey I'm open to trying new things aslong as it doesnt cost me an arm and a leg🤣
Fully agree with your position. You're an acknowledged top professional. I am first owner of 1983 Land Rover (Defender) 110 station wagon, 11 years heavy gaz drinking V8, LT95, genuine Land Rover conversion kit change to 200Tdi, R380 "stumpy", 619,000+ on odometer. Standard LR heavy duty springs, 7.50R16 Michelin XZY, recently following your expert opinion BFGoodrich 235/85R16 KO2.. I grew up in LR Series 1 and -2, father worked for Shell Exploration. Adventurous. Tunisia, South Sumatra, Argentina Patagonia. Age 7 first drive. On la pampa desolate dirt track section to oil drilling, long range specification, my 110 first build after prototypes, has number of prototype parts, like rear axle opposite shock absorbers, etc etc. From Europe per sea container to Texas. I don't like groups, invited, but did not join, you outlined well in video group stuff. Explore not in a group. Keep up the good work. I am mechanical engineer btw.
Andrew, I think the reason why you are referred to as the David Attenborough of the 4wd world. Because you tell your stories in a similar fashion to the way he does.
I believe people may describe you as the David Attenborough of the 4wd industry in my opinion is that you are very passionate about what you do and wear your heart on your sleeve. I would take it as a compliment as you are very respectful and are very genuine. Stay true to who you are and keep up the beautiful content. I will always will be a supporter. i live on the east coast of Australia we have had to many closures and I believe its the same reason as alot of places. It’s easier to lock a gate due to self centred people that don’t respect the bush land or beaches. Cheers mate
We’ve got the same thing here in North America. Specifically Canada, more specifically Quebec except they’re called douchebags! They are easily identified by their white framed sunglasses, lots of crappy tattoos and pickups with six inch body lifts and 20 inch wheels with big negative offsets and low profile tires. Oddly many of them are roofers by trade. Since Covid, these types have have started spending more time outdoors camping and off-roading with no respect for basic rules and simple common sense and courtesy just like in Australia ruining it for everyone else and future generations…
I think the comment about how a vehicle looks is bang on the money - in the original video the description made me think of similar “characters” in the UK 4 wheeling culture who generally drive jacked up Discovery 1/2s and Land Rover 90s - massive wheels, no exhaust, homemade steel bumpers, etc etc.
Man…some people are so sensitive (keyboard warriors) but it I must say their is a guilty group of Landcruiser /Ute owners with aluminium canopy and arb gear all over it acting very much like the entitled ones that must be honoured and obeyed. Anyway don’t bother about the detractors.
So to sum up: Bogans - Bad Youth - Bad (except back in our day) Jeep - Bad Ineos - Good (not even on the market, but seal of approval given) Land Cruiser - Good Patrol - Irreparably tainted by bogans
In the US our Nissan Patrol is a Jeep Cherokee XJ. Usually covered in dents and rust, leaking copious amounts of fluids. With the occupants blasting country music and throwing beer cans everywhere.
Same situation in Poland. Patrols are strong enaugh to survive lack of knowledge and mechanical sympathy of their recless owners. This is our world right now, fall of human empathy and rise if global egoism and egocentrism. Mindless peoples compensating their complexies and sad lives, by trying to be someone else behind steering wheels. Acting as someone brave being in fact silly and tiny.
What are the import laws in Australia? There is a business here in s.a. called "American motors" and import brand new American cars here to sell. How hard would it be to make "U.A.E. motors" and import brand new Nissan patrols straight from the Nissan dealerships I've there?
We get a range of American vehicles here too under low volume import laws, mostly pickups, Mustangs and Camaros....they have to be converted to RHD, and must also meet all our vehicle standards just like new vehicles through a dealership do.... I believe that in the form of the 3.0l four cylinder diesels (the only engine option in their last few years on sale here) the patrols would not meet current emissions laws, tho not sure about the petrol versions, so it may need a new engine before being soldhere again....
I do agree with you, however I don’t really care much about the vehicle but the mentality of those who drive them. We have been 4W driving for over 30 years and have seen the gradual incline of people who drive like idiots. It doesn’t mater what they drive but how they drive it with the person behind the wheel. The appearance make and affordability of vehicle does also attribute to this. Maturity happens but is slow. I do believe that with SocialMedia and the availability of certain programmes does encourage some of the behaviour in certain age groups who think it is ok to behave the same way. Maybe there should be actions from these people to make changes in how they behave
Yes. Just look at the war game mentality which seems to be universal now. Violence and destruction are normalised and glorified instead of boring behaviours like respect, tolerance and consideration for others.
May I offer a counter point. In your scenario, the fellas driving “irresponsibly” on the beach are only a talking point for the officials wanting to close the beach. they get us pointing fingers at each other. The end goal is to close all tracks. Here in nor cal officials have been trying to shut down the rubicon trail for years citing any number of irresponsible activities. I think the thing that stops the officials in our instance is that the trail would be impassable if it were not for volunteers maintaining what is supposed to be a county rd. In summary, government officials will incite us to regulate our peers, and in turn incite our peers to regulate us.
This tactic is used everywhere. Divide and conquer. Look at current induced mass formation psychosis forcing individuals to encroach on another's freedom
It usally is the behavior of idiots that ruin it for the rest of us. I've seen it not only on beach driving but campgrounds, bike trails and areas set aside for fishing / hunting.
The entire point is to get the idiots to stop to keep the tracks open. If everyone defends the idiots then everyone gets associated with the same antisocial destructive behaviour and the legitimate uses of the tracks are no longer apparent, leaving no reason to keep them open.
Good point, but I’d say the battle over Oceano Dunes is equally as relevant. They are shutting down the only remaining beach in California that you can drive on.
From South Africa now living in QLD. Totally agree with the Nissan Patrol image here, but also with the “look” of the vehicle. Are you using your vehicle as a means of getting somewhere to enjoy nature when you get there, or are you using it to treat the area as your private racetrack. You don’t need a 2 inch lift, spotties and 33’s to drive up the beach for a BBQ with your family for the day.
From my experience 79 series owners are the worst of the bunch where people buy patrols because they are cheap and capable where as 79 owners buy them for the looks and to put big tires in it
I also have to add that the emphasis on environmental damage is utterly ridiculous. The tracks change more from rainfall than 100 highly modified vehicles. It's not like having a lift and big tires means you just start crashing through dense rainforest without a worry. Littering is a far bigger issue and just as common among the touring types.
Exactly. I think the litter is young and old. The loud diesel really make alot of damage tho, they are very loud.[/sarcasm] Joys of living in a nanny state is all the nanny's get annoyed by one loud sterio and decide if I can't camp in peace no one can. Then complain to all the other nannies.
@@veneratedmortal4369 don't forget those big tires that prevent wheel spin and allow you to drive the actual track instead of having to find another way through the surrounding environment. Aren't they just the worst.
Your comments and a lot of the ones here in the thread are spot on. And it’s the same in every country I’m sure. Usually the actions of a few spoil it for the vast majority of responsible enthusiasts.
I see and hear young guys in the lifted and loud 4x4s hitting the gas and I get a little miffed, and then remember that was me 40 years ago. Yup. That was me. And then I think, "at least they have some testosterone." They aren't basement bound soy boys. They'll grow up and become good guys. Hopefully, like I did. And they'll get disgusted with the kids making dust and noise.
Yes I agree with your comments,whatever you drive it's not good enough in there eye's and you are not on there level,it's crazy how the minds and attitudes of people have changed ,it's a wicked world out there,life is so short,enjoy and love the 4x4 routes with respect
You wear your emotions on your sleeves when it comes to UA-cam comment sections, it's not worth it. Just focus on the positive comments and constructive ones. The mean, troll ones aren't worth your time or content on your videos.
@@gpaje It’s would be difficult putting yourself out there only to have internet savages 😂 throthing in the comments section. I take my hat off to the dude, I realise he’s being paid but I’m too reserved to live that life. The guy makes me laugh & he’s an excellent storyteller/film maker & he’s an experienced overlander, done more than his fair share of travelling. I think he’s got good intentions & a lovely wife/family, therefore he must be doing something right. He’s definitely a little bit odd, anyone that voluntarily drove a LR qualifies as that 🤣 Most of the bitching is merely jealousy imo.
@@GR8Tmate Sure, but just to be clear, I meant that in the best of ways, I'm a big fan of his, he reads the comments, and he has way more fans that are positive about what he is doing.
This is very accurate depiction of what the culture is becoming.
The lack of morals/caring/shame people have is out of hand.
It's not all people, but the ones with this behaviour are ruining it for everyone.
Whenever the admission becomes easy - all the seats are cheap seats.
True but this guy is misleading people, I had an online argument with this guy, he simply doesn't want to know the truth.Arrogance and downright dishonest statements will get people's backs up. He bags Mitsubishi Pajero and Nissan Patrol but sounds the Trumpet of praise for his LandCruiser. Mitsubishi Pajero even made it into the Guinness World book of records due to the staggering number of wins on the Paris Dakar circuit, a total of 12 championships out of 24 entries. Toyota Land cruiser have never won even though they had countless entries.
@@samueljesse2179 you sound like a sore pajero owner.
It's rather transparent.
@@samueljesse2179 Do you listen to other peoples' opinions before writing your own? Where exactly did you hear him say that the Patrol is garbage? And did you not hear that the Pajero racer had no resemblance to the commercial vehicle that you bought??
I think it’s more indicative of society on the whole, which is why I got out of the 4x4 scene all together
I'm a bogan who drives a Patrol but I'm also respectful of others. Love the videos mate, keep it up!
Nice one Dan, keep it up.
I thought the bogan is the one who specially is not respectful of others? Bogans may say they are respectful but in reality they are not. I am I right? If you say so you probably are not a bogan. Andrew him self said that not everyone who drivers a Patrol is a bogan.
Me too, nothing better than getting in my old Gq and exploring
Same here, didn't really realize that was a stereotype.
Hi from Queensland, I own 2 Nissan Patrols, a 1989 and a 2007. They are nicknamed Gnarly and Berries. I really like the vehicles but I must admit that they are perceived as bogan mobiles. On the 4wd tracks here at Kenilworth we see many more bogans in Patrols than any other brand. But that does not include me or my wife of course 😉
Hahahaha of course.
I’ve driven most tracks at Kenilworth a few 2-3 years ago. We went back recently to drive some of our favourite tracks only to find out they’ve barricaded it off. It really put a dampener on things for us. But I believe the reasoning was the amount of ‘P’ plate bogans that come through. and toss litter out onto the tracks and destroy them. There was one in particularly that was a fantastic track to drive it was just past ‘horse shoe rd’ just off ‘Sunday creek rd’. Such a shame it’s been closed down.
There are plenty of Bogans in Landcruiser, too.
@@MetalHayd Hi, I talked to a couple of the forestry guys and they told me that when they are working in an area, they will close off the tracks for safety reasons until the work is complete. Some of the tracks have been reopened now.
I’m from the Uk, London area and have always looked on in envy at how in Australia and South Africa you can simply drive off road into the wilderness and almost go anywhere you desire. What a privilege.
Is not like u think
We can only drive on actual roads what u see on UA-cam is sometimes private roads
You can't do that anymore in South Africa. The few have spoiled it for everyone.
Well done boys!
@@BubblesTheCat1 Just need to look in the right place. Keep looking and you’ll find some magical places very close to the cities.
@@sheldoncelliers450 Yeah, I know there's many gravel roads outside the cities, but places where you can just drive willy nilly into the wilderness? No way.
We don't even have those tracks like Australia.
We envy the UK on how your allowed to extremely modify your 4wds and still be legal.
As someone who has lived in the remote outback, North West of WA, for 30 years and has been 4wdíng since childhood (and 4x4 all day long as my day job) - you are spot on with the recent drift toward horrible attitudes ,bad driving and environmental damage. Though it is painting with a broad brush, "bogan" behaviour in capable 4x4s is very disappointing. Only yesterday did I see a 4wd (yes a Patrol) hooning along a closed beach that has hundred of endangered Loggerhead turtle nests, and it is turtle egg hatching season. Access to the beach is closed with large signs and gates requesting stay away from turtle nests, yet they were driving right over them. This is not an isolated incident either, and has been occurring more frequently. it is a serious environmental concern.
Hope the driver is caught and fined heavily.
Welcome to 21st century city capitalism and its more successful specimen .....
That’s terrible 😞
Yeah that’s infuriating, zero morals 100% selfish
@Alex Hills Why crush the car? That is not good for the invironment. Just sell it on auction. That way it will bring money for the rangers to hunt such people down and the effect on those bogans are the same...
Here is the difference: there are the ones that like to go off road to enjoy nature and get way. The peace, quiet, the birds, flowers, mountains, dunes, fresh air, the tranquility. bliss. And there are the ones that like to go off road and destroy nature and crash it under their 70" tires. We all know and understand the difference.
or people actually offroad for the challenge. I see city people saying how so and so is destroying the environment. you can go mow over bushesh trees, whatever here in the pnw, and a few months later you will not know a vehicle ever went through there. way too many arm chair generals who didnt grow up in the bush. the worst part here isnt anyone being a hillbilly, or bogam, its dirt bags dumping garbage that get stuff shut down.
@@airbats801 As a territorian I see city people aiming there 4wd at every creek and puddle? WTF? if you drive around Alice springs you can see the path some took years ago.
@@airbats801 on the NSW Central Coast it's pretty easy to see when someone has pushed through the scrub and then everyone starts to follow. Next thing you know that track is ripped up as much as the original. It doesn't get a chance to recover as they just keep driving over it until it's all dead.
70 inch tyres?
Funny enough I am Australian and the biggest problem I had was with a dickhead in a Nissan patrol.
Love the ute but I think he is right 😂🤣😂🤣
Coming from the younger generation my self included own a patrol, i think it is just the younger generation still maturing and learning to respect others and the bush. I do hope we as a generation do change for the better before more areas do shut down.
It is so true that off-roading has changed. It’s hard to find a camp site without finding trash all over. I pick up what I can, but it is sad. Also people always think you need a 6“ lift and big tires, it’s sad my stock FJ has taken me everywhere I wanted to go. Love you videos.
Hi Andrew, can't say I agree 100% with your state of view. I'm a 76 series owner and love it immensely. To be honest I have to say I have seen my share of bogan Toyota owners too lol.
Having said this, I applaud freedom of speech ( or what is left of it ) in this country, Australia, and enjoyed your point of view.
Keep it real mate - still enjoying yor channel. 👍
Look you’re right not all bogans drive Patrols, some drive Ford Mavericks…. Too be fair, dual cab 79’s are quickly taking over though.
The 79 is very quickly becoming the new Commodore.....
79 thong slappers, he didn't mention that.......
It's because they're becoming more affordable to the bogan scumbag type.
@@BubblesTheCat1 Toyota finance with a 40% and guaranteed buy back is always within reach of the common Australian bogan.
@@JimsCS2 Yeah, unfortunately.
As solo female traveller I have learnt that it is an older Patrol I have to look out for, followed closley by a brand spanking new Ford Ranger. The only times I have felt and/or been threatened is by the drivers of these vehicles. I have also noticed a sharp decline in the condition of off road tracks. Some our now impassible, just chewed up. Espicially those closer to towns as lockdowns meant 'fun' was being sourced closer to home. My neighbour is a ranger and tells me the damage is extensive. There is concern for the next bad fire season as fire trucks etc will not be able to get in to extinguish fires. They had only really finished cleaning up the track from the shocking fires we had, now with the massive rainfalls here on the east coast in the last two summers coupled with the idots tearing up the tracks it's like having to start up again. Ha dont get him started on the mess being made on the beaches.
More people use the tracks in COVID. It's not hoons as much as it's just usage. Rain does more damage than any car ever did.
The way I see it the Australian authorities are going to ban beach and wilderness driving very soon. Mark my words.
Problem is I'm afraid: banning beach and wilderness driving because of too much testosterone out there driving badly is just the next fatal step after banning sporty competition, shouting and physical fighting as "toxic masculinity" from kindergardens, schoolyards and playgrounds, replacing it with female toxicity like reputation-ruining and "safety" rule-implementing. What do You think makes men buying big rims and wide tyres, what makes them putting on audible pipes? Look and listen into undisturbed nature: what You hear any time of the day is a buncha boy beasts tryna getting laid, be it the deer flaunting its biiig antlers despite of those it still is able to become the biggest, best fed shouter of 'em all, be it the froggo or the bloody birdies shouting You outta Your sleeping bag once day dawns.....
Give those "bad driving" men somehow back what the unhealthy influx of feminism and feminists in politics and lawmaking took away from them for more than half a decade now, and You will be way safer out there again.
I travelled a lot over the last 45 years (male singlehander though) and found the worst problems for everyone, no matter where on the globe, always in places "woke" feminists had tried to "fix".
City capitalism (green washed electro-bikes, electro cars, electro-everything for the ones well off and "don't do anything" for the deplorables) is another problem, which ain't gendered as much as "bad driving" and "wilderness hooliganism" was though.
OMG, glad I'm not the only person to think the same about Ford Ranger drivers, especially jacked up ones with enormous flared guards. These vehicles instantly attract societies complete dickheads.
You don't get 70 series bearing down on you mere cms away? You don't get hiluxs trying to overtake at the worst possible moments?
Im going to start a UA-cam channel based on my dash cams and Toyota drivers. I've not once had a ranger driver cause me hassle. It's ALWAYS a Toyota ea h n every bloody time!
Loudest trucks I've run into in my travels around Australia are toyota v8. I couldn't care what brand of truck drive. Respect for others, safety and the environment.
all noise no go
Just remember loud is not power, I've been to so many places that these loud 4x4 go, and I have standard pipes 😜
A VALUED COMMENT FROM ROB: Andrew, I would disagree that “they know who they are”. Few people - some, but not many - are deliberate wanton douchebags. They just think this is acceptable. Their peers think it’s acceptable. Their UA-cam heroes think it’s acceptable. The 4WD retail accessories industry throws ads in their face showing it as acceptable. Even the 4WD manufacturers advertise that way. There is an entire generation of younger Australian 4WDers getting into the hobby not because their parents did, but because their friends are. Whereas once they’d have got their left and right of arc described to them by Dad, or a traditional club, or a reputable industry magazine, now they watch Fully Sik Full Send on UA-cam instead. They’re not deliberately bogans. They just don’t know any better. You’d think it would be in the vested interests of the three-letter accessory brands, and the big dual-cab manufacturers, to offer a bit of free training and education.
years ago the 4x4 community used to push the tread lightly theme , dont know what happened there but it would be good time to bring it back
@@frankporziella1460 now certain ones of them think making a clean up bag covers them on the tread lightly bit. The fact they spin tires, roll cars etc doesn't seem to matter because they have made a bag.
Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbecile
Very very true!!! The likes of Graeme and Shauno (24/7 4x4 or whatever they call themselves), do more damage to the image of 4 wheel drivers than anything else.
None of this has the slightest bias towards the poor old, defence-less Nissan Patrol.
For what it's worth, my Silverado rides on 37" tyres and I barely ever take it off road. 37" tyres do NOT equal bad drivers or behaviour. Andy, your propensity for generalising detracts from your otherwise excellent content.
There used to be defensive driving courses, for car, bikes and off-road.
In OLD it was run by the RACQ and cost was under a $100, this was 30 odd years ago.
It would be nice if the likes of RACQ, RAC and dealers offered some sort of training.
Some very astute observation and pertinent commentary. Those that suffer selective hearing and a lack of social empathy will be the death of more than just a way of life.
Wait a minute. I’m a Californian who married a Australian over 45 years ago. She has been calling me a Bogan for years! I asked her what that meant and she said it was a “form of endearment” jeeez.
When buying a car, what will people think of me, has never crossed my mind.
I was scratching my head when he said that. Such a conformist!
I think in this context Bogans could also be described as the Send It Crew. If you really think you need 35’s to get to the beach and know intimately what your rev limiter sounds like: that’s you, no matter that you’re driving. Of course this has led to the drivetrain arms race for more 4WD owners now that the tracks are chopped out. No one left in Parks and Wildlife to occasionally drag a railway tie or bent track section to knock off the hump. Times have changed that’s for sure.
It's similar in the UK, I bought an ex army Defender to do green laning with my children, had some great days but now a lot of the lanes are deliberately spiked or blocked by locals, when you see the larger groups of people that blast past peoples front doors it's easy to see why the locals get pissed off and eventually have the lanes closed completely. I won't mention the usual types of vehicle but suffice to say more is spent on tyres a lift kit, popcorn remap and a hi lift jack than on the purchase of the vehicle. Its a shame and more lanes are being closed or having restrictions placed on them.
I live in Western Australia and have been four wheel driving since the 1980s and we have lost access to a huge number of really nice places due to a small minority of people who would be happier driving around a tank testing ground than really travelling to remote and wild places. Possibly
the travel restrictions have worsened the problem as have four wheel drives becoming more powerful and faster than previous generations that were slower and a lot more agricultural and not seen as a youthful vehicle, I fear for future generations not having the opportunity to drive on beaches wild camp things that the previous generations took for granted.Regards Mike
Agree! I live near the Barrington tops/ Nundle SF and I’ve been camping there for years. The tracks in the parks are starting to close due to being cut up by the usual suspects. The remote access to these parks and forests may be shut down soon. There definitely needs to be education so that these remain open for our kids to enjoy.
On my last trip to Dirk Hartog Island some of the driving on the steep point road was shocking the digging of huge holes in the track by V8 vehicles not engaging four wheel drive till bogged or lowering tyre pressure made it so much harder for people towing or with less clearance
You absolutely are an amazing person, and I support you 100 percent! Love your channel!!!
When I started 4 wheel driving, which I started as a traveller to North Africa in 1997, it already has been like this here in Germany. Restrictions all over and it gets worse these days all over Europe and in North Africa. In the early days, where the word overland did not exist as the meaning it has today, there where the 4x4 clubs and a handfull of globetrotters in 4x4 vehicles. Most of the globetrotters drove old military trucks and the guys in the smaller 4x4s had G Wagon, Landrover or Toyota Landcruiser, seldom a Nissan Patrol. All these restrictions that we had later on in North Africa, as the rules for an accompanying local guide in Tunisia or Libya (where you had to take a police officer as well) or nowadays in Algeria (where I will go in 2 weeks from now) have mainly to do with "adventure tourists in 4x4s" not travellers. These tourists are doing this kind of travelling for other reasons as someone who is interessted in cultures, environments and people in other countries. The automobile industry is building 4x4s and the community like magazines, websites, influencers, tourism industry, 4wd businesses ... is building the lifestyle and anyone in this industry wants to make an income. As you said, its a bit as in any industrie fishing, hunting ... name it. Some of the big names in the german overland industrie do have their part in the restrictions in travelling North Africa. As long as the companies are small and owner operated, the heartbeat goes with the corporate identity. As they grow, the numbers of clients has to grow. But where out of a sudden do these overlanders all come from??? Its a bit like a hipe since 10/15 years. But the places you can go do not get more. So it will get more crowded and as mankind is, there will be more rules and restrictions, no matter what make once is driving. We had the idea of a 4x4 travel ethic around 2000. Together with the old Sahara Forum by Yves Laboulette and a few commercials and travellers. But what is an ethic noone is really interessted in? Someone like you could use his name for a thing like that! 10 simple rules (take your rubbish, behave like you want your visitors to behave, respect other cultures even if you are not agreeing with, don't take things that do not belong to you like artefacts, ...) or what ever is neede for our self control before it gets worse. Long comment :-)
Don't forget assekrem, beautiful place
It's the same with cross country cycling or down hill, before you could go everywhere where you want as there were only a few. Now there are so many right that Forrest owners 8nly allow cycling on the normal paths and it will end in a total ban of cycling.
They just ignore, build their own trails and even use chain saws. Garbage everywhere, damaged trees and blocked ditches.
One of the best, ASPW - you nailed it. We've all been there cringing as the "billy bob" 4x4's roll into camp. That's one of the benefits of hiking, bogons don't.
Nailed it about the hiking. Kept me bogan free at camp for 5 years now.
We left a camp sight recently in disgust after a bunch or rude bogans kept us up until 3 am with their hooning and loud music ….. in the bush .
Patrol owners get called out as being bogan, Ranger owners get upset of not being called the same 🤣
Here in Florida, USA you know the campground is ruined when the Cherokee XJs and the Dodge Rams arrive 😂
But they are nothing compared to the people driving ATV's and SxS's
Spot on, when you see an SxS or an ATV you know shits about to go down!
How about the the Ram built Ram’s or are they all the 10 plus year old third generation Dodge made Rams?
Well said! Luckily they tend to stay in the mudholes. What cracks me up are the giant RAMS with 30inch rims, 33 inch mud tires and 3 foot lifts. Not only will they never see dirt but they would be horrid off road.
It's sad how 4x4s that were once used as bullet proof overlanders are now turning into urban tractors for school run. First it was the discovery, then the G class, following with that it's the Patrol and now it's the legendary Land Rover Defender. RIP to all these 4x4s. Much rather build a restored patrol y60 over the luxury apartment on wheels.
Yes, i remember a time a 4x4 was a tool used by prospectors, farmers,pro fisherman & mines. City folk drove cars.
@@R00RAL not to forget, majority of those real 4x4s are turning into sissy crossovers because of city folks. The Chevy Blazer and the jeep commander for example.
@@GRcorolla-bt3mn i agree, supply & demand. Can't blame a company for wanting to sell a product.
I do blame the f×wits that drive past you at 60-80km hour between you and the water.. I've seen woman & children near run over. My own father went wild when a 4x4 cut in on us, fool drove under his fishing rod dragging it down the beach..
I wonder sometimes if it goes back to the basics of parenting or the lack of. Or is it a popularity contest on social media ?? Thats another thing that annoys me.
Your sitting at a lovely spot enjoying life, some fool turms up sends the location to 10k people on his phone ... the weekend becomes a nightmare of constantly looking & then trying to sleep at night as they go all hours. Ive even had some 4x4 d-heads pull out high powered rifles and start shooting ...
Nothing surprises me any more.
Let’s hope for the grenadier to turn out well
I got my Grenadier reservation in.. can’t wait.
With respect Andrew, you put fuel on the fire, you knew that some of your ‘fans’ were in a camp, you poked the beast. Like it or not, when you reach a level of audience, words have weight.
Andrew, you have hit the nail right on the head. This has happened where I live and you will know it very well, Exmouth WA. I have lived here now for 27 years and we could drive on a number of our beaches, especially the westside. Now all but closed off, not saying it was only about the bogan 4WDrivers but had a lot to do with it.
Now it has started on the Exmouth Gulf side beaches recently, the far northern beach closed to vehicles. The way some 4WDrivers that driving along the gulf beaches, more will close, some are just crazy idiots and they fit your description perfectly.
The problem with this guy is that he bags Mitsubishi Pajero and Nissan Patrol but blows his trumpet with the Toyota Land cruisers, even though he's never worked on them.
Ask him how Toyota Land cruiser never won a Paris to Dakar? Mitsubishi Pajero won 12 and made it into the Guinness World records book, Toyota Land cruiser had countless entries in the Paris to Dakar but no championships.
Andrew, you are one of the best ( the smartest, the most sophisticated ) youtube journalist ever! Keep fighting for making the 4x4 world a better place to live and drive!
Guys there, you will not believe how happy we are in the middle east with that sweet 3 doors nissan patrol with 4.8 engine 😁 it is the ultimate dream of any 4x4 driver around the world 🥰
So jealous of you guys coming from someone in Australia with a gu patrol
Shots fired 4WD Action
When I see a dangerously modified, black smoke belching, over turbocharged 4wd, it’s usually a patrol. 😂
Its slowly lurking on to 80 series cruisers too up here in QLD.
They're dangerously modded because there's no avenue to do it safely like in WA.
Why go to the expense of the extra parts if your going to get defected either way.
Plus 12" lift kit. No camber correction.
Tilan De Costa it’s the 80 series and Gqs down in vic. Just attracts the younger crowd that don’t care too much, just wanna have fun
@@Robert-cu9bm Nah the ones in WA are all illegally modified too. Every state has fairly restrictive (for good reason) laws on modifications, in particular for the discussion of smog blasters it's illegal to defeat emissions control systems like the DPF because diesel soot is terrible for anything that breathes.
The Patrol is fated to be the bogan 4WD of choice because it's about the only vehicle with a factory drivetrain that can handle 37" tyres.
Probably more to do with them being cheap, just like the suburbs the owners gravitate to.
And more redlining than other vehicles
and not gutless lol
I used to love going down to Sodwana in the 90's and park my Nissan Safari on the beach with side-awning & camp chairs out close enough to the tidal pools to keep an eye on our young kids while waiting for my next scuba dive. I was furious when I heard about a change in the regulations due to the behaviour of a few hooligans that screwed it up for so many. Understandably, in the good ol' days Sodwana Bay beach was a showcase of all brands of 4x4's, many with fancy extras fitted but the 'boguns' were very noticable, aggravated by alcohol. And so, sadly, a very special era came to an end.
Well said Andrew, having owned a Nissan GQ (the hand grenade model), it took us fishing and camping to some very remote spots, loved that vehicle. We have also had our trip ruined by the selfish yobbos who think they can do what they like, don’t know what the solution to that sort of behaviour. Maybe it’s up to all of us to call it out when it occurs so we (and them) can enjoy the great Aussie outdoors, bush and beach.
There was no GQ hand grenade model, ZD30 only came out in GU 🤨
What was the grenade motor in the GQ?
@@Mookiemadskillz It was the 2000 model that had a habit of blowing cylinder #4 after about 150K, I managed my to nearly 200K, other wise a great 4x4. Moved to a Toyota 105 which has the same solid front axle as the GQ, great machine.
@@beemo537 Opps, yes you’re right, getting my alphabet mixed.
Job well done Andrew. Your honest and factual reporting is rare in this day and age. What you mentioned about beach driving is what we see on our doorstep, the Noosa North Shore, Fraser Island and also in the NP of the Kenilworth Ranges - all loved to death and inevitably soon to change as a result of the number of vehicles.
You nailed it.... GQs and GUs just have historically been a bogan 4wd, however as they age and become more "classic" they are falling out of the scene now to an extent...and are being replaced by every cheap 10-15 year old turbo diesel dual cab ute you can think of 😅
Bang on!!!
I've had LandCruisers and patrols and Pajeros the best are the Pajero.
LandCruisers are crap box's on wheels too many things go wrong. Ford Broncos are probably worse, cramped up fuel guzzlers
@@samueljesse2179 Pajeros are very much in a different category of vehicle, much more of an SUV then a serious offroad wagon, weak drivetrain and poor ground clearance and approach angles etc.
Well done Andrew. Fantastic call out. Big picture thinker and this is a concerning prediction for us all. Hopefully your wise words are echoed by the majority of good 4WD drivers.
Great video Andrew, and quite timely too. I too enjoy 4wd camping in remote places for the serenity and the type of drivers you talk about absolutely will result in tracks in this country being closed. It’s the bad apples unfortunately
Love your opinion and I truelly talk at for my life style
The jeep is the Nissan patrol of America 🇺🇸 🤣
In South Africa the bogan mobile of choice for the last 10years or so has been the Ford Ranger, with a ‘raptor’ kit. Especially the 2.2xl 4x2. On the cheapest noisiest Chinese no name brand mud terrain rubber, a fake clip on snorkel, and a mustang front grill.
With Australias border closures I’d imagine the problem has got worse. People not being able to travel so buying a 4x4 and not respecting the landscape etc making the problem worse for everyone
Yep it's gone from Bali and Bintang's to Bogans with Barra's!
I have to admit that I didn't like how the video started, but halfway through I realized that I completely agree with the bottom line: "it takes very few of them, to mess it up for everybody".
Well said Andrew. I have owned 2 Patrols in the past, a GQ and a GU. Both were fantastic off road, and extremely rugged in construction. The criticism I would have about still selling them (or rather why they aren't still sold here) is that the Y61 Patrol frontal offset collision rating is very low scoring only 6 out of 16 in 2011 (last tested) where Toyota 76 series vehicles in 2016 scored 14 out of 16 and perfect scores in the other crash tests, with a final score of 35 out of 37 which is amazing for a vehicle of that nature. Some people may think this isn't important, but if you have teenage children that want to borrow the car, and you get a knock on the door and someone telling you your child has been killed in a car accident, it is too late to re-think that choice.
Hey Andrew.....you are absolutely right, I live in Portugal, and here it’s the same, Nissan Patrol GR, the 3 door or the 5 door, its easy to win the lottery that to find a stock patrol ! 37” tires, 2 or 4” lift, swaped the TD6 or 3.0Di engine for BMW M57 engine making lots of smoke because it have
“400cv”.
As a person who enjoys the nissan patrol. Completely agree with your previous video about Bogans.
It is so true when you go beach driving and you are enjoying the day just watching all these great 4x4's and the unique
set up they all have, along comes the one we all know what it looks like just hooning up the beach without any concern of public safety, you just pack up and go home.
I drive a Pajero and all your critiques enable me to modify my 4x4 to make it a better off roader, your knowledge has been extremely for off road enthusiasts.
The question is, even if there are hooners out there (inevitable wherever you go), will we tolerate imminent government regulations because of that? I hope not.
Go the mighty paj 💪
Great video Andrew, thanks for pointing this out. I absolutely encourage people and especially the younger ones to get out and have fun. It's one of my biggest fears too that due to a small number of people behaving badly that it will ruin it for most. I am very familiar with what happened in South Africa and even the UK and USA.
You are right about Australia being one of the last countries with this much freedom. If you are a youngster reading this, please consider this video and how your actions could affect you and others. The older generation can make a difference too I think in engaging and interacting with the younger generation. I think the only way for these freedoms to remain is for everyone to try and see things from the other's perspective.
Lastly, I definitely want to say that Aussies are in general very proud of their country, the majority of old and young I come across generally do the right thing. Keep it up guys.
The problem is the youngsters are not even interested in his videos.
@@LTAJWLU Nope, they're not. They prefer the videos of the stupid drunkard bogans tearing the dunes and plants and little species to pieces.
This speaks to me on a profound level, Andrew. Here in the States, we are facing very similar issues with our land (specifically beaches) access, for the very same reasons you describe.
Totally agree. My theory is, and only in the Australian context, is that the bogans that once drove Commodores and Falcons have now got into 4wds - Patrol, Hilux and Tritons to supplement their Kias and Hyundai’s. Now don’t get me started about the aggressive wankers in their V6 Amoroks ( to supplement their Audis!). For the record, I’m an N80 Hilux driver
I have watched a lot ASPW and most of them I found to be very informative if you are building a overlander or dreaming of the life style. He has brilliant photography skills that really brings over a beautiful story. Unfortunately with this 15 minutes he has in many ways destroyed that illusion or dream. To dislike a car and refuse to own one because of one or two people that you have come across is a bit ridiculous and short sighted. Mr ASPW I am sorry but you have disappointed me but never the less I will still continue to enjoy my patrol despite what you say even if I fit 37 inch wheels. There are many of us who do modifications to our cars to enjoy them more. And oh by the way the majority of your videos are about you improving your Toyota. And oh by the way the majority of us do respect nature and the trails. Dont let one or two idiots ruin it for you and you never own a Patrol.
he is entiltled to his opinion as you are to yours.To deny yourelf his epxrience and what i regard as a real open minded view in his vehicle builds and equipment choces is only doing your self out of that view. As he said it is not really about Nissan Patrols.
Nailed it sir!
I started at about 18 years old in an old CJ7. Avoided the buffoons going back and forth in mud holes, breaking their vehicles, and instead drove to explore trails.
I was also fortunate that one day. Waiting for a haircut, an old gentleman driving a CJ5 came inside and we started a conversation. He advised me on driving with class, to never do more than a three inch lift, 33s… I still appreciate his advice.
I got a 6inch lift 2 inch body and 37inch tires
On my gq shorty
Would kick your ass
I’ve traveled round Australia and seen many, what you call “bogans” in my eyes just wankers, drive vehicles of all sorts.
I’ve seen rich people also ruin camp sites just as much as “bogan” oriented people.
Manufacturers got nothing to do with it.
Those P plater and certain aged crowd purchase certain vehicles because they think it’s cool. For eg lots of p platers buy a GQ patrol and younger adults buy a 79 dual cab when they aren’t a farmer and have to live with a mortgage on wheels and then try sell it for ridiculous money for the balloon payment.
I really couldn’t care about race, colour or wealth of anyone as I only care if you a polluting our environment and leaving rubbish everywhere and doing burnouts and damaging the tracks to just show off to your barely legal girlfriend. I’m bit old school sure but I’d rather have have respect then Instagram followers.
D**kheads come in all shapes and sizes unfortunately.
100%
The gqs are an affordable solid car that’ll take you places so it attracts a younger crowd, but I find the 79 series drivers around the vic high country are the loudest and worst people to set up camp near. Gross.
A UA-camr with an opinion, keep it up Andrew. You are definitely not vanilla. Love your work.
Good points Sir. I agree with the greater idea you are pitching. In Canada (my area of Canada that is) the 6" lifted black Dodge diesel 3/4 or 1 ton truck with blacked out lights and rims, fully tinted windows, and aftermarket exhausts etc. Is the cliche 4x4 bogan. Not everyone driving these rigs is a bad apple but the vehicle type meets the stereotype. Tough not to notice the brand and modification association to belligerent behavior.
The people who are the exception to this observation will of course be cross with this observation but again, the stereotype comes from something somewhere.
Now, all that said these guys are usually parking lot princesses. It's the side by side that is the off road menace in the bush.
Haha, I shall now await the appropriate internet ridicule.
If you look at the channel Matt's Off road recovery, you'll be dumbstruck at the amount of damage USA bogans do to the environment.
They literally tear and wheelspin the desert to pieces.
It's absolutely cruel how humans are destroying their own and only home😢😢😢
The last Dodge made pickups were the third generation Ram ( before Ram split from Dodge in Oct 2009 to become a seperate brand and manufacturer ) so I guess that they’re old enough and cheap enough for young bogans to buy.
Bingo. Exactly what I was thinking about the US as well when Andrew was talking. Here it's not limited to Dodge - it's Chevy and Ford HD pickups too... Just add some "truck nuts" to the tow hitch and you get the picture.
As someone who has got a Y62 on order (replaced our LX570) I agree about the bogan element that like the Patrol. Am I 1? no (well I don't think so) but I also know that I would rather be the change I want to see so if there are more of us who are respectful/nicer/etc we can rebuild the image of the vehicles.
Andrew, my wife and I watch your channel and have read your books. We totally understand your frustration when attempting to mind your own business - enjoying this great land when an idiot/s turn up and ruin the serenity. However...we do own a vehicle with extensive modifications and yes 37's. Your frustration is equal to our hurt, being constantly judged! The saying of "don't judge a book by it's cover" is our view.
Totally agree, that’s why you can’t judge a person by what they drive.
Andrew is way out of line here, you should be able to drive what works for you and not have some snob going oh shit here comes a Patrol or here comes a bogan with 37’s.
I bet most "off roaders" with a sawn off exhaust system and 37' tyres are in fact "bogans"
@@BubblesTheCat1 don't associate the good bogans with the bad ones
@@blokebeershed7651 O my! I didn't realise there were good one's as well 😊
Hit the nail on the head Andrew.
I think the next 5 - 10 years will be very telling for the 4wd industry.
I fear not only beaches will be closed but camp sites along the Murray River will be in the firing line... I don't think people have changed, it's just a hell of alot more people have access to a 4wd now thus putting the pressure on everything.
Sorry about the abuse from Nissan drivers - I am a Ford Maverick driver LOL - like you I grew up in Land-rovers and still do like them and miss the experience - my first 4wd was a 60 series LCruser
But this is my second Maverick- the first survived Cape York towing a camper trailer ( including the Lura - Maytown track - 70 km in 2 day) - love your channel - love your opinion’s
The the saying goes “take only memory’s and tread lightly”
I wouldn't be caught dead in a Datsun! Ill keep my Ford Maverick, built Ford tough!
Not sure what Andrew is talking about in the Video. I thought thw GU was discontinued in 2013 and is not longer sols anywhere. Only the Y62 is sold right now. And that is not really built for offroading. Does he want some resurrection of the GU?
I find it hilarious how some people get that attached to a brand. I’m a mechanic and I’ve had pretty much every brand of 4x4 including a couple of Patrols in which one turned in to a grenade even with the mods.
The fact is though and i was only thinking it a couple of weeks ago standing in line at the servo. I was about 6 people back from the counter and the guy second in line has the worst mullet you’ve ever seen wearing a hi vis shirt (total bogan) and as i looked outside I was like you know what? I bet he is the one in that Patrol that looks like it hadnt had a wash since the showroom! Guess what it was his car🤷🏻♂️😂!
And saying that i can also say being a mechanic I’ll never own a Land rover product because like everyone I have my reasons why.
The fact is we can all have different opinions and that is why there is different brands because we all have our reasons and choices.
Stop being so petty, more bogans drive Patrols, it’s just a fact 🤷🏻♂️! If you’re offended maybe you’re the bogan driving one😂!
Why have never owned a land rover? Defender. Discovery 123.or range rover.. Etc.
@@shamrockgerry It has gotten to the point i refuse to work on them. They are a nightmare to do anything on, break easily (including air suspension) and end up with electrical issues that do your head in, overheat transmissions from factory towing caravans and are expensive to maintain and parts availability is very limited. The companies that do keep parts charge a premium for the convenience of having them in the country.
I’m sure some people love them though, just not me. They drive ok between break downs though😜!
What about conversations to electric? I have discovery 2
@@pk-so1mj That's why I still drive a Series 2A. Sure, not as comfortable as a 200 series but alot bloody simpler.
As a LR enthusiast I stopped liking Land Rover when they stopped using beam axles. They were never good with electrics so what made them think filling it full of electrickery was a good idea. Roll on the Grenedier!
Don't get me wrong when it's a mid week built newer Landy they're a good, capable machine but generally overcomplicated and overpriced!
Maybe cos they're a "luxury" vehicle they think rich cunts can afford the repairs😁
I suspect the whole LR are unreliable and Toyotas are "bombproof" is like the AK47s are inaccurate and AR15s unreliable arguments.
In reality it's more in the middle.
LR are more reliable than expected.
Toyotas have more problems than expected.
AK47s are more accurate than expected.
AR15s are more reliable than expected.
An acquaintance who threw shade on my 1967 S2A and bragged about how bombproof his Hilux was ate his words when his engine greneded itself 2 months ago😂
So whatever you drive, stay humble!👍🏻
If not humble, then keep a sense of humour when you're humiliated!🖕🏻😆
@@shamrockgerry Drop a Cummins in it😁 mint👌🏻
Top video yep you nailed it if we don't clean up our own mess and want to rat bag around we are going to lose our freedoms I have owned 3 4wds and they have given much pleasure over the past 30yrs and I have never driven on the beach the beach is SACRED LAND enjoy your off-roading every body
Most ratbags we have had the misfortune to camp alongside have been driving heavily modified loud Landcruiser 70's. Ive never had a single issue with a Patrol owner.
We always found it was guys in older Hiluxs and maybe the odd 70 series. The guys in 80s and GQ etc were always just fine. I think they just had nothing to prove.
This is my experience also.
The bought then built dude is the epitome of the Nissan drivers he was talking about. 😂 . . It’s all jokes folks , BNB fans don’t be coming at me.
It's like he hasn't realised the throttle isn't an on off switch
@@kombirat “just send it”. 😂😂
Aussie bogan's are more into Landcruiser and Hilux and pretty much hate everything that doesn't have a Toyota badge.
Really valuable video. I have to say I think bogun when I see a 70 series rather than patrols, but overridingly true it’s how the vehicle actually presents more than brand.
As an old guy who was driving 70’s since they first arrived in Australia, I find the notion of hotheads & bogans driving my beloved 70 ridiculous, absurd even…… yet I continue to potter along in my own little world doing what I’ve always done. I look sideways & see the bogans rip past many of which are driving fully laden 79DC’s. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you could confuse who is who 😂
The only other thing I would say (& I’m now old, almost frail), call this young twits out, I know I do. If you see some goose damaging the environment by being a ball tearing bogan, call him/them out, record it & report it. Let’s weed these deadshits out.
So true what ASPW says, if you want to tear arse like a meathead, GOTO one of the 4x4 parks, you have no place in the Australian wilderness.
I’m glad I’m old & Ive travelled extensively, I feel sad for those who won’t experience the true beauty of what being able to travel the great country in 4x4’s will miss out on.
I think bogan when someone says bogun.
You have nailed it Andrew.
It all comes down to respect and care.
We have a fragile environment and many freedoms which are abused by some making it difficult for those of us who really care.
In Guatemala if you see a Hummer, everything it's ruined.
On planet Earth, if you see a Hummer, everything is ruined. :-)
@@4xoverland the Irony is the new hummer they are working on will be A EV
I do not understand why people dive in make comments and do not listen to exactly what point another person is making. They only have their own opinion and that is that. It becomes an argument not a discussion from them.
@@johnfitzgerald5158 I think you missed the point.
Can we talk about the a hole Karen loosers that makes the laws not just the bogan that they all fear
ASPW - The Karen of 4WD!
This very week we saw Bogan morons in action up on Bribie Island. For over a decade now newly arrived residents at flash new canal estates on Bribie have been campaigning to stop people 4wding on 'their beaches', which we have done for generations now. This goose was filmed absolutely ploughing into a creek at high tide - right beside kids playing in the water ... and surprise surprise he flooded it and it began to float away. Qld Police even posted it on Facebook as they were after the goose - and they did get him. 100% agree - these are the morons that will kill 4WDing for ALL of us. And the same goes with people that leave all their rubbish and broken gazebos everywhere. :(
You are wrong about it being newly arrived residents. Most of us newbies support it remaining open. It is the older people who have lived here for decades that want is shut down. These same people also hate all the newly arrived residents.
Your 100% right it’s mainly the younger bogens in 4wds showing off that are getting all the tracks shut and they just don’t give a shit and nothing we can do about it ,
Andrew, I agree with everything you've said. From memory the criticism you tendered was appropriate and more, specifically the behaviour on the Canning. I also concur that unsympathetic bush driving will likely threaten track closures.
I watched a very popular 4WD programme on a commercial channel about 18 months ago and the 'star' was ripping the guts out of a creek exit while trying to drag a very heavy trailer. I submitted an adverse comment to which there was no reply. So it's not only the bitumen cowboys that do damage, it's also TV heroes.
I like your posts Andrew.
Andrew your comments are valid most of the defected vehicles 4x4 are Patrols ,black smoke 35 inch tyres 6 inch lifts
Fan-boyz will fight & defend their product till the death, some of the worst fan-boyz are owners of.… Patrols, Adventure Kings, Engel even Drifta. Nothing but nothing is better in their eyes.
Nah, theyll buy the adventure kings fridge too🤣 engel in my experience make excellent fridges. My dad had/has (I'm not too sure as its been a while) an engel fridge for donkeys years, even has one in his work truck that gets abused with oil all over it, holding stupid heavy items at times and still runs mint. It could also be I've never really experienced any other brand other than evacool. But hey I'm open to trying new things aslong as it doesnt cost me an arm and a leg🤣
Fully agree with your position. You're an acknowledged top professional. I am first owner of 1983 Land Rover (Defender) 110 station wagon, 11 years heavy gaz drinking V8, LT95, genuine Land Rover conversion kit change to 200Tdi, R380 "stumpy", 619,000+ on odometer. Standard LR heavy duty springs, 7.50R16 Michelin XZY, recently following your expert opinion BFGoodrich 235/85R16 KO2.. I grew up in LR Series 1 and -2, father worked for Shell Exploration. Adventurous. Tunisia, South Sumatra, Argentina Patagonia. Age 7 first drive. On la pampa desolate dirt track section to oil drilling, long range specification, my 110 first build after prototypes, has number of prototype parts, like rear axle opposite shock absorbers, etc etc. From Europe per sea container to Texas. I don't like groups, invited, but did not join, you outlined well in video group stuff. Explore not in a group. Keep up the good work. I am mechanical engineer btw.
Andrew, I think the reason why you are referred to as the David Attenborough of the 4wd world. Because you tell your stories in a similar fashion to the way he does.
I believe people may describe you as the David Attenborough of the 4wd industry in my opinion is that you are very passionate about what you do and wear your heart on your sleeve. I would take it as a compliment as you are very respectful and are very genuine. Stay true to who you are and keep up the beautiful content. I will always will be a supporter. i live on the east coast of Australia we have had to many closures and I believe its the same reason as alot of places. It’s easier to lock a gate due to self centred people that don’t respect the bush land or beaches. Cheers mate
We’ve got the same thing here in North America. Specifically Canada, more specifically Quebec except they’re called douchebags! They are easily identified by their white framed sunglasses, lots of crappy tattoos and pickups with six inch body lifts and 20 inch wheels with big negative offsets and low profile tires. Oddly many of them are roofers by trade. Since Covid, these types have have started spending more time outdoors camping and off-roading with no respect for basic rules and simple common sense and courtesy just like in Australia ruining it for everyone else and future generations…
I think the comment about how a vehicle looks is bang on the money - in the original video the description made me think of similar “characters” in the UK 4 wheeling culture who generally drive jacked up Discovery 1/2s and Land Rover 90s - massive wheels, no exhaust, homemade steel bumpers, etc etc.
Man…some people are so sensitive (keyboard warriors) but it I must say their is a guilty group of Landcruiser /Ute owners with aluminium canopy and arb gear all over it acting very much like the entitled ones that must be honoured and obeyed. Anyway don’t bother about the detractors.
So to sum up:
Bogans - Bad
Youth - Bad (except back in our day)
Jeep - Bad
Ineos - Good (not even on the market, but seal of approval given)
Land Cruiser - Good
Patrol - Irreparably tainted by bogans
yep that's about it mate. And you know what, Andrew is correct, you should listen, and try to understand what he is saying.
Sounds like the typical driver here, “I have the rights to drive my monster truck in the tiny trail!, the hell with nature”
In the US our Nissan Patrol is a Jeep Cherokee XJ. Usually covered in dents and rust, leaking copious amounts of fluids. With the occupants blasting country music and throwing beer cans everywhere.
Same situation in Poland. Patrols are strong enaugh to survive lack of knowledge and mechanical sympathy of their recless owners. This is our world right now, fall of human empathy and rise if global egoism and egocentrism. Mindless peoples compensating their complexies and sad lives, by trying to be someone else behind steering wheels. Acting as someone brave being in fact silly and tiny.
What are the import laws in Australia?
There is a business here in s.a. called "American motors" and import brand new American cars here to sell.
How hard would it be to make "U.A.E. motors" and import brand new Nissan patrols straight from the Nissan dealerships I've there?
We get a range of American vehicles here too under low volume import laws, mostly pickups, Mustangs and Camaros....they have to be converted to RHD, and must also meet all our vehicle standards just like new vehicles through a dealership do....
I believe that in the form of the 3.0l four cylinder diesels (the only engine option in their last few years on sale here) the patrols would not meet current emissions laws, tho not sure about the petrol versions, so it may need a new engine before being soldhere again....
I do agree with you, however I don’t really care much about the vehicle but the mentality of those who drive them.
We have been 4W driving for over 30 years and have seen the gradual incline of people who drive like idiots.
It doesn’t mater what they drive but how they drive it with the person behind the wheel. The appearance make and affordability of vehicle does also attribute to this. Maturity happens but is slow. I do believe that with SocialMedia and the availability of certain programmes does encourage some of the behaviour in certain age groups who think it is ok to behave the same way. Maybe there should be actions from these people to make changes in how they behave
Yes. Just look at the war game mentality which seems to be universal now. Violence and destruction are normalised and glorified instead of boring behaviours like respect, tolerance and consideration for others.
I can't seem to find where the Nissan GU Patrol is solid axle.
Have they changed something, or is the USA market different?
May I offer a counter point.
In your scenario, the fellas driving “irresponsibly” on the beach are only a talking point for the officials wanting to close the beach. they get us pointing fingers at each other. The end goal is to close all tracks.
Here in nor cal officials have been trying to shut down the rubicon trail for years citing any number of irresponsible activities.
I think the thing that stops the officials in our instance is that the trail would be impassable if it were not for volunteers maintaining what is supposed to be a county rd.
In summary, government officials will incite us to regulate our peers, and in turn incite our peers to regulate us.
This tactic is used everywhere. Divide and conquer. Look at current induced mass formation psychosis forcing individuals to encroach on another's freedom
It usally is the behavior of idiots that ruin it for the rest of us. I've seen it not only on beach driving but campgrounds, bike trails and areas set aside for fishing / hunting.
The entire point is to get the idiots to stop to keep the tracks open. If everyone defends the idiots then everyone gets associated with the same antisocial destructive behaviour and the legitimate uses of the tracks are no longer apparent, leaving no reason to keep them open.
Good point, but I’d say the battle over Oceano Dunes is equally as relevant. They are shutting down the only remaining beach in California that you can drive on.
From South Africa now living in QLD. Totally agree with the Nissan Patrol image here, but also with the “look” of the vehicle. Are you using your vehicle as a means of getting somewhere to enjoy nature when you get there, or are you using it to treat the area as your private racetrack. You don’t need a 2 inch lift, spotties and 33’s to drive up the beach for a BBQ with your family for the day.
I think you've confused Patrol owners for 79 and Hilux drivers.
He stated it could be any vehicle with big wheels and loud exhaust etc maybe watch it again
@@jamesmcmillan2656 c'mon man, his topic clearly said why I will never own a Nissan patrol or Pathfinder !!
From my experience 79 series owners are the worst of the bunch where people buy patrols because they are cheap and capable where as 79 owners buy them for the looks and to put big tires in it
PPS, I don’t care what generalisation you dish out, I still enjoy watching your vids.
I also have to add that the emphasis on environmental damage is utterly ridiculous. The tracks change more from rainfall than 100 highly modified vehicles. It's not like having a lift and big tires means you just start crashing through dense rainforest without a worry. Littering is a far bigger issue and just as common among the touring types.
Exactly. I think the litter is young and old.
The loud diesel really make alot of damage tho, they are very loud.[/sarcasm]
Joys of living in a nanny state is all the nanny's get annoyed by one loud sterio and decide if I can't camp in peace no one can. Then complain to all the other nannies.
@@veneratedmortal4369 don't forget those big tires that prevent wheel spin and allow you to drive the actual track instead of having to find another way through the surrounding environment. Aren't they just the worst.
Your comments and a lot of the ones here in the thread are spot on. And it’s the same in every country I’m sure. Usually the actions of a few spoil it for the vast majority of responsible enthusiasts.
So not all Nissan Patrol Drivers are bogans but all bogans drive a Nissan Patrol 🤣🤣🤣
Bogans are LandCruiser drivers the smart ones drive Pajeros 🤫
@@samueljesse2179 bogans are people commenting on my comments on YT😉
Communication is what is heard, not what is said, sadly. Keep up the good work Andrew.
I see and hear young guys in the lifted and loud 4x4s hitting the gas and I get a little miffed, and then remember that was me 40 years ago. Yup. That was me. And then I think, "at least they have some testosterone." They aren't basement bound soy boys. They'll grow up and become good guys. Hopefully, like I did. And they'll get disgusted with the kids making dust and noise.
Boys will be boys. Unfortunately
Yes I agree with your comments,whatever you drive it's not good enough in there eye's and you are not on there level,it's crazy how the minds and attitudes of people have changed ,it's a wicked world out there,life is so short,enjoy and love the 4x4 routes with respect
You wear your emotions on your sleeves when it comes to UA-cam comment sections, it's not worth it. Just focus on the positive comments and constructive ones. The mean, troll ones aren't worth your time or content on your videos.
I don’t think he does, he just wants to make sure his real message was heard.
@@GR8Tmate Sure, but he has mentioned before that he sometimes takes comments too personally.
@@gpaje It’s would be difficult putting yourself out there only to have internet savages 😂 throthing in the comments section. I take my hat off to the dude, I realise he’s being paid but I’m too reserved to live that life.
The guy makes me laugh & he’s an excellent storyteller/film maker & he’s an experienced overlander, done more than his fair share of travelling. I think he’s got good intentions & a lovely wife/family, therefore he must be doing something right.
He’s definitely a little bit odd, anyone that voluntarily drove a LR qualifies as that 🤣
Most of the bitching is merely jealousy imo.
@@GR8Tmate Sure, but just to be clear, I meant that in the best of ways, I'm a big fan of his, he reads the comments, and he has way more fans that are positive about what he is doing.
Sorry to hear about all the abuse Andrew. It's just so sad that the internet brings out the worst in some people.