hi everyone - 𝐢 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐩𝐮𝐭 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐭𝐬 - about prism splash damage and why i used friendly units - this was a *head on* power test not a unit comparison. Each of them have pros and cons (Apoca=survives nuke blast, better resilient to radiation, shoots air.... Prism=does slash damage, can take out base defenses without taking damage and so on..... i edited video title and i will do *multi-targets* next
I'm gonna be that troll .. *Unit comparison between apocalypse & prism tank* *Anti air* Apocalypse *Range* Prism Tank *Damage output* Apocalypse *Splash dmg* Prism Tank *Defences* Apocalypse *HP* Apocalypse *Movement Speed* Prism Tank *Cost* IDR *Build time* IDR *Noncrushable* IDR IDR = I don't remember because I've not played over 16 years so I forgot.. and I don't trust websites because stats may change.
Hahaha the part where you tasked the apocs to help the prisms finish off their remaining column of vehicles after they finished a lot sooner made me lol hard for whatever reason
I know their strengths well. *flashback of the Hollywood mission where the hedgehogs were marked on map as purple, trying to destroy them with infantry while the enemy psychic corps is prowling around*
It caught my attention that when comparing head to head as individual vs individual the apocalypse is noticeably better but when compared as group vs group the compariciment gab is much smaller if not tie or even it favor for prism so, i started to suspect that westwood balanced the unit of the game using a similar method like this one and didn't notice how grouping made prism an absolute death.
Fear the prism tank because not only range, splash damage and they work in groups, but also the enemy can teleport them literally anywhere they choose! Fear the Apocalypse not only for their firepower, anti air and that they work in groups, but also the enemy can make them literally indestructible for some time! Both are the harbingers of destruction :)
What do you mean the earlier-mentioned can teleport enemy targets anywhere? Both are Einstein's tech (Chrono and Prism) but entirely different. I don't believe Prism Tanks do that nor are equipped to do so
@@barrickfischer I mean, if you play allies, you can chronosphere the tanks and if soviet, you can make them immortal. Just adding to what a player can do to make them more lethal :)
Oh my God. Love your videos! Do you think you can somehow do a video with air craft carrier fight a boomer, an air craft carrier fight a dreadnought, a dreadnought fight a boomer, and see who will win? Thanks a lot please do such a video it will be awesome!
apocalypse can be use in all kind of enemy units even air units. and it does have heavy armor. if high rank apocalypse it can kill faster or even destroy any vehicle or building. you are noob if you choose prizm over apoc
@@vinf.9233 I've seen people take down apoc with rinos, you're a noob for just assuming the strongest unit is the best way to go. A prism in the right scenario will make more damage than an apoc. let's see how well apoc do in a yuri basie compared to a prism
The elite Prism narrowly lost the building race because even its elite version has a longer cooldown compared to the Apoc. They both deal largely the same amount of DPH, but the Apoc had a slightly higher DPS. Also, splash damage wasn't a factor in this test. PS. Looking at the stats, elite Prism should do 300 units of damage to structures (150 base damage x2 bonus for buildings) rather than the Apoc's 100 (100 base, full damage). But the cooldown for Prism is 100 as opposed to an Apoc's 80 (only hitting 4 shots for every 5 of it). And the Apoc can fire 4 shells per shot, so it makes 240 to 400 in terms of DPS, but then it should make the difference far more. If the shells are considered a single hit by the game, 240 to 100 should have made an even bigger one in the opposite direction. Either way, I'm missing something here. But the vehicle test was nothing surprising and not even close. Even elite Prism only does 75 to medium and heavy armor to Apocalypse's 100, and the cooldown makes it even worse (60 to 100).
@@mikuhatsune8121 ugh, just wanted this "elimination from the game" part to be added as a nice reference to the Squid Game. You know, just ride the hype train while it is on
This test is working against prism, as the targets are not crammed densely and also they (well, most of them) are friendly units, so not benefited from the splashing damage of the prism tank. To feel the real mighty power of prism tanks, you need to make them "angry" (genetic mutator on Yuri primes controlling them), as you always do.
@@Nod_Soldier That's not a good way of saying this. The full sentence should be: No, prisms are worse than apocalypses in terms of blah blah. And what we can fill here could be: anti air ability, anti vehicle damage, durability, self healing, 1 on 1 battle etc. And vice versa is also true: Prisms are better than apocalypses in terms of shooting range, anti infantry/buildings, splashing damage (esp elite promoted). And because of this, prism is better for wipe out the entire base quickly with minimal lost, as long as the opponent did not counter properly.
@@Nod_Soldier 1 v 1 yes. Prism is worse. Even 1 v 1 with rhino, prism will have hard time to win. But prism work best in many v many. The splash dmg work best even againts apoc in numbers. Apoc dont have splash dmg until max vet. Even then the splash didnt do much unless its againts infantry. So yea, 1v1 bad. But many v many OP.
I think the key argument here is that the Apocalypse tank is 45% more expensive than a Prism tank (and in this case the Soviet Industrial Plant and the Allied Ore Purifier cancel out). For a fairer test, you would need two (or four) Apocalypse tanks, three (or six) Prism tanks, and multiple targets clustered together. Say, five of each. That should give you a better idea of their relative powers. The Apocs would probably still inch ahead, particularly when elite, but it would be a much closer race.
im not sure apocs still be ahead, mobility is a big factor in numbers, apocs are very clunky, having 3 times more dps means nothing if you are not shooting. i would love to see a test with more units of each and cost balanced.
Yeah the apoc is a bit faster at veteran status and against vehicals (espically MCV damn...) but thwo things to remember. That splash damage is DEVASTATING agaisnt far more grouped up units (as is the normal encounters in game) AND range is pretty much the most power thing you can have. It's insane at the veteran level. Have some mirage to back up against heavy tank responce. The only real huge downside to the prisim, is it's weakness agaisnt air units, espically with the low armor. Even with a full stack of IFVs you could get prisim wiped by some rockeeterrs. At least the apoc has the armor and the misses to fend them off. Plus, flak is so much better agaisnt allied air units. It's a good thing when you VS soviet forces you only really have to worry about choppers and kirovs.
In the grand scheme, isn't the Prism tank, in spite of the name, more of an artillery unit? Granted, the Allies don't really have a "heavy tank" until the Battle Fortress.
@@Cloud_Seeker Makes sense to me. The Apocalypse has to actually get shot at to get a shot in, while the Prism can stand out of range of most base defenses.
Thing I never understood is why does my Prism Tank have such range but my stationary Prism Tower doesn't? Stationary weapons always are better because they don't need to be mobile and have a steady supply of energy.
Balancing. lol legit the only reason. I always like the idea that defensive buildings should have the ability to be promoted. It would bring them back into the pvp meta if they got unreal range and damage for sacrificing mobility and would help punish failed assaults. But it would change the dynamic too much, and most strats would be out the window so I get why even modded it never would make it in the current small pvp scene.
The best combo is battle fortress with gurdian inside accompanied by few prism tank. And put some navy infantry or tanya in that battle fortress tank too for infantry enemy units..
Apocalypse is bad against unit...I prefer prism because of unit production...I just make one sniper inside ifv...10 racketeeri all fv and 3 mirage,20 prism...with support with paratroopers and Eagles or planes.
I think this test is flawed. In a RTS numbers, cost and production speed needs to be factored in. Often construction cost and build speed is a part of the design and tactic itself. Cheep units are fast to produce because they use numbers over quality. An Apocalypse tank cost 1750 and takes 1:10 build time. A Prism Tank cost 1200 and takes 0:48 build time. This means that it takes 3500 credits and 140 seconds to build 2 Apocalypse tanks. It also means it takes 3600 credits and 144 seconds to build 3 Prism tanks. If we are going to compare the different tanks based on things like cost efficiency and build time. We should compare 2 Apocalypse tanks with 3 Prism Tanks since a single Prism Tank isn't supposed to win against a Apocalypse tank just because of the value difference.
hi everyone - 𝐢 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐩𝐮𝐭 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐭𝐬 - about prism splash damage and why i used friendly units - this was a *head on* power test not a unit comparison. Each of them have pros and cons (Apoca=survives nuke blast, better resilient to radiation, shoots air.... Prism=does slash damage, can take out base defenses without taking damage and so on..... i edited video title and i will do *multi-targets* next
I'm gonna be that troll ..
*Unit comparison between apocalypse & prism tank*
*Anti air* Apocalypse
*Range* Prism Tank
*Damage output* Apocalypse
*Splash dmg* Prism Tank
*Defences* Apocalypse
*HP* Apocalypse
*Movement Speed* Prism Tank
*Cost* IDR
*Build time* IDR
*Noncrushable* IDR
IDR = I don't remember because I've not played over 16 years so I forgot.. and I don't trust websites because stats may change.
0:54 The yeti saw what was going on in the front was like "fuck that I'm out" xD
Hahaha the part where you tasked the apocs to help the prisms finish off their remaining column of vehicles after they finished a lot sooner made me lol hard for whatever reason
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
stop crying 1 year old kid
2:50 Hedgehog fence is very strong.
I was honestly more surprised about that bus stop.
I know their strengths well. *flashback of the Hollywood mission where the hedgehogs were marked on map as purple, trying to destroy them with infantry while the enemy psychic corps is prowling around*
Do does the dustbin
It caught my attention that when comparing head to head as individual vs individual the apocalypse is noticeably better but when compared as group vs group the compariciment gab is much smaller if not tie or even it favor for prism so, i started to suspect that westwood balanced the unit of the game using a similar method like this one and didn't notice how grouping made prism an absolute death.
In the Vs. vehicles part, Apocalypse was like "Here, let me help you with that" LOL what a savage
😅
team apocalypse 💪
@Tohkamiku Emilia 1 year old kid stop crying kid, you know nothing
@Tohkamiku Emilia and the prism tank is only strong if it has 8/9 Units
, 3 / 4 /6apocalypse And Iron Curtain Is Stronger
This is a weird test given the prism power is splash and also splash from non-building units to buildings is its most potent power.
Actually splash does affect friendly units...
@@HKBERASAPP Correct edited, I was thinking that building does not do splash damage compared to unit splashing everything else.
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Prism tanks is the best
Prism tank has a much better strategic advantage due to its long range
Weird and fun competition, nice work🤘
Fear the prism tank because not only range, splash damage and they work in groups, but also the enemy can teleport them literally anywhere they choose!
Fear the Apocalypse not only for their firepower, anti air and that they work in groups, but also the enemy can make them literally indestructible for some time!
Both are the harbingers of destruction :)
What do you mean the earlier-mentioned can teleport enemy targets anywhere? Both are Einstein's tech (Chrono and Prism) but entirely different. I don't believe Prism Tanks do that nor are equipped to do so
@@barrickfischer I mean, if you play allies, you can chronosphere the tanks and if soviet, you can make them immortal. Just adding to what a player can do to make them more lethal :)
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 6 year old kid
@@barrickfischer apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
Was NOT expecting that result
Prism tank: hey apoc
apocalypes tank: what?
Prism tank: STOP STOLE MY KILL!!!!!!!!
apocalypes tank：hey pris
prism tank： what？
apocalypes tank：WOULD YOU PLEASE HURRY UP？
@@elderdriverv2734 umm.... Uhh.. huh.... Yes prism. You should to shoot faster
Prism tank
Unexpectedly destroyed 5 building and kill 20 ground unit in 3 second second
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
Mummies be like : "Nah I'm having none of this"
Oh my God. Love your videos! Do you think you can somehow do a video with air craft carrier fight a boomer, an air craft carrier fight a dreadnought, a dreadnought fight a boomer, and see who will win? Thanks a lot please do such a video it will be awesome!
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
Stop crying 1 year old kid
The yeti goes on out of the screen when the Apocalypse started attacking him. Maybe in his mind "Damn, I don't want watchers see me die." 😂🤣
I feel that the Apocalypse tank fire damage in YR is weaker than original.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
Stop crying 1 year old kid noonb
Prism tank is more faster, laser shot dont split on friendly units.
Was gonna point that out too. You need to have the prism tank surrounded by other units that are not friendly and unleash it, same for apoc
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apocalypse can be use in all kind of enemy units even air units. and it does have heavy armor. if high rank apocalypse it can kill faster or even destroy any vehicle or building. you are noob if you choose prizm over apoc
@@vinf.9233 I've seen people take down apoc with rinos, you're a noob for just assuming the strongest unit is the best way to go. A prism in the right scenario will make more damage than an apoc.
let's see how well apoc do in a yuri basie compared to a prism
@@night.watcher well 1 rocketeer is enough to destroy a prizm tank
Apocalypse: literally *Annihilating*
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
2:04 Apocalypse tank should lose because it will be mind-controlled by the mind tower
Yeah I want to see it with turrets fight back.
Apocalypse is suck
@@mikuhatsune8121 apocalypse is good so stop crying kid and learn to play the game right NOOB
@@mikuhatsune8121 Apocalypse Is Good ,And stop humiliating the Soviets
U Suck 3 Years Little Kid
@@mikuhatsune8121 And Also the prism tank is only strong if it has 8/9 Units
, 3 apocalypse And Iron Curtain Is Strong
Chrono 4 elite prisms into a base certainly does a lot of damage.
Sure, but four elite Apocalypse tanks in your base is game over by definition...
@@looseycanon Unless you play as Yuri with psychic towers but then it's unlikely someone sends 4 apoc tanks
@@pqddachu Even that has it's remedy... it's called the Iron curtain :D
@@looseycanon mm forgot about that
@@looseycanon apocalypse is suck stop crying 5 year old kid
HP: 800 vs 150
Me: [smirk]
Armor: Heavy vs Light
Me: [burst into laughter]
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
The elite Prism narrowly lost the building race because even its elite version has a longer cooldown compared to the Apoc. They both deal largely the same amount of DPH, but the Apoc had a slightly higher DPS. Also, splash damage wasn't a factor in this test.
PS. Looking at the stats, elite Prism should do 300 units of damage to structures (150 base damage x2 bonus for buildings) rather than the Apoc's 100 (100 base, full damage). But the cooldown for Prism is 100 as opposed to an Apoc's 80 (only hitting 4 shots for every 5 of it). And the Apoc can fire 4 shells per shot, so it makes 240 to 400 in terms of DPS, but then it should make the difference far more. If the shells are considered a single hit by the game, 240 to 100 should have made an even bigger one in the opposite direction. Either way, I'm missing something here.
But the vehicle test was nothing surprising and not even close. Even elite Prism only does 75 to medium and heavy armor to Apocalypse's 100, and the cooldown makes it even worse (60 to 100).
fear abt prism tank is split beam on enemy mobile units and its stand off range
*Ore Miner under attack*
You should have ordered the the winning contestant to destroy the other one at the end of each round
Shut up communism
Yes!
@@mikuhatsune8121 shut up, stupid capitalism!
Stop,are you Russian?
@@mikuhatsune8121 ugh, just wanted this "elimination from the game" part to be added as a nice reference to the Squid Game. You know, just ride the hype train while it is on
I am shocked this is 3 days old
Who plays red alert 2 anymore
The Prism Tank suffers from poor armor, worse against armor and a lack of anti-air...but they have that obscene range and splash damage.
Zofia's "Ore miner under attack!" Is the most annoying thing in the game I think 😂
What's annoying is losing money from not knowing your miners where killed by a chrono legionaire
The annoying is when you heard that spy was stolen money or shutdown your power.
Апокалипсисы на то и апокалипсисы... А так апокалипсис с 3 лычками в соло может узкое место неплохо держать. А вот призмы сильны только толпой
Elite Apocalypse is just a nightmare oof
Most peolple forget that Prism tank is an 'artillery' unit not a MBT
In allies, Battlefortress or Mirage tank is MBT
Soviet Power Supreme 👌
This test is working against prism, as the targets are not crammed densely and also they (well, most of them) are friendly units, so not benefited from the splashing damage of the prism tank.
To feel the real mighty power of prism tanks, you need to make them "angry" (genetic mutator on Yuri primes controlling them), as you always do.
No,prism is worse than Apocalypse
@@Nod_Soldier That's not a good way of saying this. The full sentence should be:
No, prisms are worse than apocalypses in terms of blah blah. And what we can fill here could be: anti air ability, anti vehicle damage, durability, self healing, 1 on 1 battle etc.
And vice versa is also true: Prisms are better than apocalypses in terms of shooting range, anti infantry/buildings, splashing damage (esp elite promoted). And because of this, prism is better for wipe out the entire base quickly with minimal lost, as long as the opponent did not counter properly.
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@@GreenElf It's all good sir. Just pointing it out as someone may not aware.
@@Nod_Soldier 1 v 1 yes. Prism is worse. Even 1 v 1 with rhino, prism will have hard time to win. But prism work best in many v many. The splash dmg work best even againts apoc in numbers. Apoc dont have splash dmg until max vet. Even then the splash didnt do much unless its againts infantry. So yea, 1v1 bad. But many v many OP.
yes but tanks should attack back and prism's lazer damage should split...
Prism tanks true advantage isn’t firepower but it’s range.
And splash damage
I think the key argument here is that the Apocalypse tank is 45% more expensive than a Prism tank (and in this case the Soviet Industrial Plant and the Allied Ore Purifier cancel out). For a fairer test, you would need two (or four) Apocalypse tanks, three (or six) Prism tanks, and multiple targets clustered together. Say, five of each. That should give you a better idea of their relative powers. The Apocs would probably still inch ahead, particularly when elite, but it would be a much closer race.
24 Apocalype tanks : 35 Prism tanks
im not sure apocs still be ahead, mobility is a big factor in numbers, apocs are very clunky, having 3 times more dps means nothing if you are not shooting.
i would love to see a test with more units of each and cost balanced.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
They just dont call him apocalypse tang for named 😂
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
The prism's raw splash damage makes up for it's armor piercing disadvantage
Why is the bus stop so strong?
There both good when you have like 10 of them
Apocalypse tank supremacy!!!
stop crying 1 year old kid
@@mikuhatsune8121 the prism tank is only strong if it has 8/9 Units
, 3 apocalypse And Iron Curtain Is Stronger
U suck
@@PrazeXz apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 Year old kid 🤣
Soviet power supreme vs some artillery thats main purpose is to snipe building
Laser shor long ranger
Soviet power supreme!
When Apocalypse Has Begun
Pris tanks where great on packs 10 12 of them boom it's gone lol
When I go against a Yuri opponent, I'd spam the shit out of prism tanks as they have range far enough from yuri units or their psychic tower's reach.
Yeah the apoc is a bit faster at veteran status and against vehicals (espically MCV damn...) but thwo things to remember. That splash damage is DEVASTATING agaisnt far more grouped up units (as is the normal encounters in game) AND range is pretty much the most power thing you can have. It's insane at the veteran level. Have some mirage to back up against heavy tank responce. The only real huge downside to the prisim, is it's weakness agaisnt air units, espically with the low armor. Even with a full stack of IFVs you could get prisim wiped by some rockeeterrs. At least the apoc has the armor and the misses to fend them off. Plus, flak is so much better agaisnt allied air units. It's a good thing when you VS soviet forces you only really have to worry about choppers and kirovs.
In the grand scheme, isn't the Prism tank, in spite of the name, more of an artillery unit? Granted, the Allies don't really have a "heavy tank" until the Battle Fortress.
That is its official role yes. The Apocalypse tank has the role of a Heavy Assault Tank.
@@Cloud_Seeker Makes sense to me. The Apocalypse has to actually get shot at to get a shot in, while the Prism can stand out of range of most base defenses.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
@@Cloud_Seeker apocalypse is suck stop crying 5 year old kid
Apocalypses super Best
Yes
Where’s Humvee? MY HUMVEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Both in elite are calamities
Thing I never understood is why does my Prism Tank have such range but my stationary Prism Tower doesn't? Stationary weapons always are better because they don't need to be mobile and have a steady supply of energy.
Balancing. lol legit the only reason. I always like the idea that defensive buildings should have the ability to be promoted. It would bring them back into the pvp meta if they got unreal range and damage for sacrificing mobility and would help punish failed assaults. But it would change the dynamic too much, and most strats would be out the window so I get why even modded it never would make it in the current small pvp scene.
The best combo is battle fortress with gurdian inside accompanied by few prism tank. And put some navy infantry or tanya in that battle fortress tank too for infantry enemy units..
Don't think you really need seals and tanya - prisms are already pretty good at wiping infantry from afar.
1 for 1 prizm isn't great but if the scatter was possible it may beat the apoc
Apocalypse is suck only kid like them
Prism tank is arty, apoc is heavy tank. So...... Different
Apocalypse is bad against unit...I prefer prism because of unit production...I just make one sniper inside ifv...10 racketeeri all fv and 3 mirage,20 prism...with support with paratroopers and Eagles or planes.
Apocalypse it the best unit
ha ha ha no. the best unit is the rhino tank
Yuri: Yes your apocalypse is mine now.
Conscripts?
@@gokhansenaolivia ha ha ha no... The best unit is Conscript...
@Tohkamiku Emilia 1 year old kid stop crying kid, learn to play the game right NOOB
Soviet power supreme
Insane dictator of the New World Order, or NWO, executes his own men in single file line for laughs after the war is over.
The strength of the prism tank is in mobility, range and splash damage that's how I defeat apocalypse tanks
and Numbers, since they are cheaper, for every 2 apocalypse you have an extra prism tank.
@@brianfhunter Yeah and I forgot to add prism tans light goes over the wall or through.
Prism tanks aren't a lone wolf they tend to work as a team like how stationary ones do
Yup, same with apocalypse. I would love that mayhem comparison, like 10 prisms and 10 apocalypse wreaking havoc.
@@FluffySylveonBoi i can see prism tanks as wolves than the mamoth tank they can clean everything with ease
you're making them all in one team. It makes prism tanks splash power useless
Its not called Apocalypse for nothing
@Tohkamiku Emilia 1 year old kid stop crying annoying kid
@Tohkamiku Emilia prism Is Suckkkk And Trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I think this test is flawed. In a RTS numbers, cost and production speed needs to be factored in. Often construction cost and build speed is a part of the design and tactic itself. Cheep units are fast to produce because they use numbers over quality.
An Apocalypse tank cost 1750 and takes 1:10 build time.
A Prism Tank cost 1200 and takes 0:48 build time.
This means that it takes 3500 credits and 140 seconds to build 2 Apocalypse tanks.
It also means it takes 3600 credits and 144 seconds to build 3 Prism tanks.
If we are going to compare the different tanks based on things like cost efficiency and build time. We should compare 2 Apocalypse tanks with 3 Prism Tanks since a single Prism Tank isn't supposed to win against a Apocalypse tank just because of the value difference.
nor anfair test... prism must attack many targets..
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Try nuking an apoc
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