Licence-Built Luftwaffe - Postwar Copies of WW2 German Planes
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Most of the WWII 'German' aircraft you see flying at air shows are actually licence-built postwar copies. But which nations built them? Find out here...
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As a military dependent in Spain in 1964, I was living in Sevilla. One day, while standing outdoors, I heard a drone in the distance. It was a combined flight of Doirner bombers, Junker 52's and Me-109's. Shades of WW2.
holy crap that's bad ass
Dorniers?
Almost impossible, except for the Do-24 seaplane.
You must mean the licensed copy of the Heinkel He-111.
Had to be one hell of an awesome sight to see!!
THAT must have been a sight to see!
Similar thing happened to me; living in Chester, England on the flight path of their small airport was advantageous. On a glorious spring or summer day I heard the sound of Merlin engines. I called my small son to come quick, we stepped out back just in time to look up and see the Battle of Britain flight pass so close you could almost reach out and touch them 😎
I was a kid when the movie "The Battle of Britain" came out. One thing that made the movie special was the large number of "German" aircraft used, most of which were the Spanish production models, I believe. Still a great movie to watch!
Yep, spanish "Buchón". BF-109 with Hispano Suiza or even Rolls engines. We have a few in museums.
The czech ME-262 are amazing. They have couple in a big museum (old airbase) just outside Prage.
I was sorely disappointed back then to go to the theater to see fat nosed 109s and tweaked He 111s
As a kid in the east end of London back in 1968 a flight of spitfires followed by Bf 109's flew over my house. I'd never seen anything like it and I thought I was seeing ghosts! Of course nobody believed me at the time then later the film The Battle Of Britain was released.
That was it I was hooked for life on warbirds.
If you have watched the film "Battle of Britain", during certain scenes where the sunlight played over the fuselages and wings it is just possible to make out the Spanish markings under the applied camouflage to replicate German WW2 look.
@knskumo lol I'm a huge history buff. Sucks most of the nice complete aircraft are all the way across the Atlantic Ocean lol.
As a non English speaker I love listen Dr Felton and his impeccable diction Thanks for that
Your English looks pretty good to me. It's much better than ny schoolboy German!
I'm a native speaker of English, and I like to hear it, too.
Rex of Rex's hanger fame speaks very precise 'Oxford' English if you want to polish your pronounciation.
Ironically, he's an Aussie
WARNING
A lot of Brits are less hostile to a faint Foreign accent than the plumy RP of the 'elite' Oxford accent.
I remember as a teenager being trilled watching the opening scene of "Where Eagles Dare", and seeing a awesome looking JU-52 in winter camouflage flying among the mountains. Glad Hollywood got that one right.
Even made decent mock-ups of the reversible winter camo parkas for Clint and Richard!...Re-used in, "The Eagle Has Landed"...So convincing that many collectors thought they were a legit variant pattern scheme.
@@projektkobra2247- there were reversible snow and autumn smocks issued to mountain troops by the Wehrmacht
I believe that was Iron Annie, Martin Caidin's JU-52, werk nu. 5489
@@M1903a4 The silver and blue CASA 2111 is the He 111 in "The Battle of Britain". The crew from the "Flugwerft Unterschleißheim" museum that restored it opted for the original spanish colour scheme for historicity.
@@M1903a4I think plane was still flying as tourist aircraft but crashed in 2022 or 2023 in Switzerland. I believe they have one more flying JU-52 left.
A little extra addition: Romania also license-built the Bf-109G at IAR. First they assembled G-2's as Ga-2's from parts shipped from Germany. Starting in Summer 1944, 15 G-4's were built as the Ga-4. Then, 68 Bf-109G-6's were built as the Ga-6 from 1944 to 1947. Ironically, most of these fighters were built after Romania changed sides and fought against the Germans. They were retired in the 1950's and scrapped.
But unfortunately we dont preserve any Me 109 or IAR 80 from ww2
Great to see these planes live on. Despite being post war manufactured, keeps history alive
As a former manufacturing manager I have to tip my hat to those that got these factories up and running again after the war. Their national economies needed the boost, and people no doubt needed the jobs. Thanks Dr. Felton.
I once saw a Fieseler Storch stand still in the air before starting to fly backwards during an airshow in Germany. There was enough headwind to pull off that stunt. I was astonished ^_^ Amazing aircraft.
My mother's cousin was married to the Observer/Radio Operator/Navigator to Lawrence Olivier, (yes, that one!) flying the Fairey Swordfish during WW2, he told us it wasn't unknown for the Swordfish to effectively land backwards due to headwinds‼️😁
@@johnrae4633 Is your mother’s cousin her first cousin? The he/she is your first cousin once removed.
I was once on a german airshow where they had a retired german paratrooper that wanted from a Transall - from 30 meters height.
The speaker said they had bargained him up to 100 meters height.
When I saw it, I thought "that really would have worked with 30 meters".
When he jumps out, he almost stops in mid-air, and the parachute is pulled out in FRONT of him
Then he starts to fall,, once loose from the plane, the chute decelerates faster than he does.
So he gets under the chute, and in the moment he gets in front of the chute, the chute fully opens with a "floop", and brakes him down to practically zero.
Then he swngs back, under the chute - and stands on the ground.
From 100 meter, he did an additional swing.
It was so easy to fly that even Field Marshal Rommel had his own Fiseler Storch in North Africa which he would pilot himself to get a better view of the enemy positions. The German infantry deployed scattered over the desert would often get a surprise low fly-by made by Rommel to drop a note over them promising to land and kick some asses if they didn't improve their defenses !
Shades of Udet!
Still being educated by the Great Sir Felton! Cheers, Mark!
With the music I was waiting to see storm troopers marching and operation Barbarossa to begin!
Sir Mark
One can still see most German WWII aircraft in the military museum just outside of Madrid, Spain...great show
These planes got me in trouble as a kid! I was 14 when "The Battle of Britain" came to theaters and then, as now is a fantastic movie. But, having built several plastic models of the BF-109 and Heinkel He 111's, the planes in the film just didn't look right.
I stumbled across an article in some magazine, explaining the source of the "German" airplanes, and a couple other notes about the difficulty in bringing them all together.
I THEN made the very gross error of talking about it while waiting for a haircut in the local barber shop. MAN, did I get put in my place! This was my first serious dose of "Barber Shop History", and I was quickly corrected that the Spanish NEVER built any planes from German plans, AND called a stupid, smart aleck kid for suggesting they did.
It was a valuable experience though, teaching me to keep my facts to myself, or at least while waiting for a hair cut!!!😁😁
Thank you for the great video, Dr. Felton.
So I guess you never learn the definition of "facts." Keep your OPINIONS to yourself.
Fact : 1+1=2
Opinion : Blue is the best colour.
Aviation historians and fans knew right away about the "incorrect" Messerschmitts and Heinkels in "Battle of Britain" but the OVERWHEMING majority were thrilled the movie makers went through the effort of trying to get the German aircraft as correct as they could instead of recruiting P-51's and B-25's and painting Luftwaffe camoflage and markings on them. It would have been a LOT easier to do the latter and most of the viewing public wouldn't have known the difference.
I'm willing to overlook some mistakes in movies if the movie-makers are at least TRYING to get it right.
From what I remember, the silver-blue He 111 / CASA 2111 in the video is the one from the movie. Old acquaintances.
I have a friend at the Flugwerft Unterschleißheim that restored that plane Wrote already a comment with a few more details.
Seems that barber shops are for unspecific small talk only. Better stick to other places.
What can be fun is that when you are e.g. in a museum where the people are simply trotting on, because somehow you have to make it through the whole museum, you tell them "Have you seen that?" and point them to some detail. And then you can explain to them why that is so, what they had in mind back then. And suddenly it becomes interesting.
Can go wrong, of course, but with a little luck you can get someone interested in a new topic that he did not even know existed. It is often tiny incidents that can trigger lifelong interests. Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson or Dr. Becky how they came to become astronomers. Or that Brian May, lead guitarist of Queen, is a studied astrophysicist whose bachelor work was such an odd topic (I think dust in the milky way) that it still is one of the few sources about that topic.
I once looked inside the coach collection of a palace here in Munich, had just one question, and then got a complete private tour by the guard. He was so happy that at least one person had interest. So I e.g. learned that the sled of King Ludwig II originally had oil lamps (he uses it to roam through the forests in winter nights), but he hated the stench of these lamps that he brought Wernher from Siemens himself to create the first electrically-lit vehicle in Bavaria. Or that one of the coached they haquered with transparent red paint, and then took a bellows and blew real gold leaf onto/into the fresh paint. True metallic effect of the highest exclusivity.
For me that what makes life interesting is such tiny anecdotes. They provide the spice to our existence. The more absurd the anecdote, the better. And the better you can envisage it, the better it sticks.
And now you can be abused on UA-cam in the comfort of your own home.
I had the audacity to correct my middle school English teacher when she proclaimed that the de Havilland Tiger Moth was a WWI aircraft. How foolish I was to correctly explain it was used as a trainer in WWII!
I really learned something from this one. I knew about post-war manufactures of some Luftwaffe airplanes in the former occupied countries but had NO idea the French continued to produce FW-190's! It does make sense though, during the post-war rebuilding period of their armed forces the French also operated captured and repaired German Panther tanks, at least until their own tank industry was back up to speed.
I didn't know about the French manufacturing Ju-52's in the post-war period either. That would certainly explain the abandonded Ju-52 seen at Tan Son Nhut airbase in Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
Thanks Doctor Felton! Great show as always!
The Americans kept building V-2 rockets too.
@@toolbaggers So did the Russians, and out of captured components like the Americans did. V-1's were assembled as well for evaluation. However one-way weapons like the above are a little outside the scope of this video but the point's taken.
France got rid quite quickly of the NC-900 as they were extremely dangerous to fly. In fact, they were built almost to norm and were subtily sabotaged during construction by resistance workers.
The French began a new submarine Force again in '46 when the Allies distributed among themselves (US, UK, USSR, and France) the latest models of the revolutionary and futuristic Type 21 German submarines, which served in their Fleet till the '50s, when they began to produce their own models again.
The Amiot AAC.1 Toucan were officially retired from service in the Aéronavale up until 1962. Some of them were transfered to Portugal who used them during the Portugese colonial war (1974).
Monday morning with a Dr. Felton video...this means it will be a good week
Ima be late for work but im not late for this 😂
You said it!
@loganlittle3889 gotta get your priorities right!😊
The Israelis actually flew their ME109s against Egyptian (if I'm not mistaken) Spitfires. Talk about a weird twist of circumstances.
Thank you Mark for your brilliant videos. Im dying with cancer and the history you show us is so great.❤ the history. Im also homeless and I can forget my sadness for a while being so entertained by you. My respect mate.
I have just been with a friend who is 96- and he endured some Luftwaffe flight instruction at the age of 17 until he behaved in such a way that he was kicked out of the training as being a hopeless case. He said he watched a number of his young comrades crash and knew he was going to meet the same end as everything was so rushed. The plane he was trained in was the Bestmann which he said had plenty of wood in its construction.
Jesus saVed me az well 🎉❤
My dad is a retired USN aviator. In the mid-60s, the family did a three-year tour at the American embassy in Madrid, Spain. He made friends with his fellow Spanish officers and actually got a chance to put a few hours in a Spanish built (Merlin engined) HE-111.
About that time time 20th Century was gathering up aircraft for the production of 'The Battle of Britain' and a lot of those aircraft ended up in the movie.
Legend had it that nearly ever Merlin mechanic, that spoke english, worked on that movie (because ALL of the aircraft British AND 'German' were running MERLIN ENGINES! P.S. Merlin engined aircraft are fairly easy to recognize due to big radiators Merlins require.
Keep up the great work, Dr. Felton!
Was searching for a few war stories then BOOM! Proffeser Felton out flanked me !Cheers proff! !
When I worked at Goodrich Aviation in Everett, Washington, around the year 2000, there was a group at Paine Field that built five Me-262s from scratch. It was called the Me-262 Project. They were sold to various entities that had been interested in purchasing them. One was a two-seater and the others were single seat aircraft. They used the J-85 engines and those aircraft were the only flying Me-262s in the world.
Yes these were built by Herb Tischler former Luftwaffe sheet metal guy from Berlin went to work for Grumman after the war. He considered these "recreations" and Messerschmitt family bought the first one to take back to Mansching Germany. I saw these in Old Meecham field Texas before they were moved on to Paine field under new ownership. Great planes, where are they now??
I remember reading articles in aviation magazines about those Me-262's and there's also UA-cam videos of them to be seen.
I'm amazed at just how lethal and formidable looking the 262 is even after 80 years. It sure doesn't look like an antique!
@@g.h.9117 Four of the Me-262s remain in the US and the fifth example flies with the Messerschmitt Museum in Germany. Only four of those were flyable.
I had no idea about the after war production of these aircraft. This also calls into question every air show that I have ever been to! Well played, Dr. Felton! Once again you have blown my mind. Thanks!
I remember my Dad taking my young brother and myself to watch the Battle of Britain movie in the late 60's. I pored over the movie programme for years and recall how the film company could only find one Hurricane fighter but several Spitfires. Then purchased rather a lot of Heinkels, Dorniers and 109's from Spain for the movie. Another great video Mark. Thanks
Also saw it in the theater when it came out in (1969). I believe the film company purchased only 2 HE-111s, seen taking off together in one scene. They reversed the negative to show it twice. The opening credit sequence seems to be a lineup of 111's from the Spanish Air Force, with German paint schemes. Still hands down better than any CGI could ever do. There is a company in Texas building new ME-262's with modern jet engines, all their production has been sold out so far.
Our woodwork teacher at school (also a Flight Lieutenant in the school ATC squadron) had been a fighter pilot in the Desert Air Force flying Kittyhawks.
They had "souvenired" a Storch and used it as a liaison craft. He told us many stories of his time in north Africa including the day when he was out on the flight line conducting engine tests on his Kittyhawk.
The squadron Storch was just coming in to land when the wind strengthened. For a while the airplane hung in the sky, "hovering like a hawk" as the pilot couldn't make any headway.until the wind eased and the Storch descended "gracefully and almost vertically" onto the runway.
Thank you for continually educating us. So many channels out there with annoying synthetic voices, rehashed content, and lacking a command of the subject matter. Unwatchable. Your channel is superior by a very wide margin sir.
Yes!
Regarding the silver-blue CASA 2.111 (He 111) - I have a friend at the Flugwerft Unterschleißheim that restored it, so I have a little more insight.
When they got it, it had german BoB camouflage, had been an airshow display airplane. But they wanted to have historic accuracy, so gave it its old spanish paint scheme
One thing that fascinated me was the wing joint. The main spar fastening was at the top and the bottom a less than fist-sized ball at the spar fitting into concave socked, and secured by a nut enclosing the ball and socket - that was all. I would have expected, especially for a military plane, that the spar is running right through the fuselage.
Another thing is the glass canopy. OK in good weather, but in bad weather, in rain (or even snow???) visibility could become very bad.
Therefore the pilot seat could be rased, and over the seat was sliding panel that when you slid it back folded up a small windshield, so that the pilot could pop his head out.
In Spain, the Bücker Bü 131, called CASA 1.131, was also built under license between 1941 and 1963. It was used as an elementary training aircraft, with 550 examples being manufactured, 200 of them with a German engine and the rest with a Spanish engine.
I think that the Henkel He111 is a really beautiful aircraft, with elegant, sleek lines for its time and that lovely greenhouse cockpit and nose section. I read that it had various operational weaknesses, but at least it looked the business!🙂
From what I've read the He1111 was well-liked by the men who flew it, they said it was easy to fly and a safe airplane. The problem was it just couldn't defend itself against determined fighter attacks and since the 1111 was faster than contemporary fighters in the 1930s when it was first developed that speed had lured the Luftwaffe into a false sense of security as far as the airplane was concerned. That speed advantage didn't last long.
The usual marvellous information from you. I dips me lid. My war history information expands everytime you post! From the old Aussie. Rockhampton QLD Australia. Thanks mate.
The Seibel Si 204 is an aircraft that I had previously been unaware of. Thank you Mark.
And suddenly Monday becomes more bearable. Awesome video Dr. Felton. Thank you
Interesting story on the S-199. One of the Israeli pilots to fly the plane was Milton Ruebenfield. He had a poor review of it. He returned to America in the early 50s, got married, and had 3 kids. You probably know his son Paul. Paul shortened his last name to Ruebens and the rest is history.
If ever an inanimate object could suffer schizophrenia, that would be the plane!
So it was Pee Wee's dad who had the really big adventure...
@@jonathanljohnson I love the irony of Israel's first fighter being a variant of the Nazis' vaunted 109...
"Lol nice story, bro." Well that sounded like a load of B.S. for sure,...but I looked it up and 😮 you weren't lying !
What an interesting story ! 👍
I remember watching a documentary I think on Netflix called “on a wing and a prayer” about the founding of the Israeli Air Force. Classic documentary format of video interspersed with interviews, so I’m watching it an upper PeeWee Herman and his mother talking about their father and husband respectively
Dr. Felton leaves no stone unturned. I’m always learning something new on his channel. 💎💎💎💎💎
There was a company some years back that was producing new Me-262s for the civilian market. No idea if they are still in business, but they built at least a couple. If memory serves, you could order either single or two seat models, with either jets or turboprop engines, and the avioncs were modern..
Love your work Dr Felton.. thank you
Outstanding as always-I never had known of some of these, especially the FW-190s, it's a good day when I learn something new from Dr. Felton.
A Spanish HE-111 was a star in the 1969 “Battle of Britain” movie. The Christopher Nolan movie “Dunkirk” used a Spanish built Merlin powered ME-109.
You suggest just the one was used, but there were several used in Battle of Britain.
@@CaseyJonesNumber1 Maybe they used one particular plane to film the actors in. Of course there were more that we see flying in the bomber formations.
The silver-blue CASA 2111 in the video was one of those. I have a friend in the museum that restored it and where it still is.
Well done on getting the title of the film ‘Battle of Britain’ correct. M.
Formations were probably ai.
The markings on the Czech version of the Me, or Bf, 109, were pretty cool. Red, White and Blue Triangles inside a circle, very nice and simple. And totally Czech.
the Finnish Air-force museum has a Finland license built ME-109 as well. Static display in perfect condition.
Are you sure about that? Finland did buy Me-109 from Germany. Think about it, what factory in Finland did have the capacity of building a DB 605 engine?
I understand the French kept a squadron of captured Ju-188s in service after the war, but scrapped them all in the early 1950s......on the other hand, the South Vietnamese and Cambodian AirForce's kept some "Fiesler Storch" Criquettes in service right up until the mid 1960s. The problem the Israeli's had with the S199 Avias was that they were built with Junkers-Jumo bomber engines, after a warehouse fire wrecked the Daimler-Benz engines they were designed for. They had a huge torque problem that caused many accidents, although in the hands of an experienced pilot, they were still able to shoot down Egyptian Spitfires and Seafires.
Mark just wanted to say I have been watching your videos for years with my dad and ww2 history Is one of the only things we truly enjoy together I wanted to say thank you for the amazing videos and the good times I have spent with my dad watching your videos
Great overview with a good variety of images. Thumbs up!
Some years ago while out doing yard work , I heard the unmistakable sound of a RR Merlin. Looking up , I saw P-51 and another slightly smaller aircraft that, as it was quite high, I couldn’t make out what it was. Shortly after, while attending an event at the local airport, there it was. A former Spanish AF Merlin powered 109, 2 seater. I was surprised how small it was.
Thanks for a very informative video Mark.🙏
A Focke-Wulf 190? Or a Me 109?
The Doras with a Jumo 211 V-12 were comparably rare, I do not think they were license-built.
Edit: all corrected.
@@feedingravens
Ah yes, my mistake. 109
@@calsurflance5598Thumbs up for you correcting the text ;-))
Two seaters HA-1112 M4L are extremely rare, but they exist.
As it turns out, the guy who owned the P51, and the Messerschmitt was the son of a local tomato farmer. He also owned a MiG-21. Image my thoughts when I saw THAT go over the house!😳😱
The local airport,(formerly Castle AFB), has a flight school that teaches primarily foreign (Chinese) students basic flight.
As the story goes; a student was taking off in a Cessna 150 . The guy in the MiG took off behind him and stayed low. After passing beneath the Cessna, the MiG went vertical scaring the noodles out of the student in the 150. Supposedly when the FAA rep showed up to talk to the student, the MiG was back in the hanger, the owner had left, and the guy’s mechanic was left to answer questions.
There is now a MiG -21 at the Castle Air Museam. Not sure if it’s the same aircraft.
There is no better way to start the week than with a nice up of coffee and a new presentation from the good doctor.
Lots of highly knowledgeable folks in the comments here. Thank you Dr Felton for bringing this group together!
May Mark Felton never run out of subject videos😎
If you like airplanes, you gotta love this mini-doc. Absolutely fascinating information, and as always, backed up with terrific video of the subject matter. Dr Felton, you hit it out of the park with this one‼️
2:21 _admiring the P-51 Mustang in the background_
Some initial performance issues but still one of my favorite piston-engine aircraft.
The Mustang was not much until the American engine was replaced by the British Merlin.
I learned something new, again, from Martin Felton. Again such a complete video recap of a 'Gap' in history, to educate all of us following WWII. Well done Sir.
Hi Dr Felton, you never cease to surprise me with your WW2 trivia. Thank you!
My Dad would have loved your historic videos but never saw them....absoloute top marks Dr Mark Felton... I never tire of them all partic aircraft ones...!!
Regardless of original purpose. They are absolutely beautiful machines to look at. A wonderful story Mark. Thank you.
Yhanks! This video is very interesting. I always look forward to your videos.
As a Scale Modeler I can't thank you enough Dr. Felton.
Dr Felton, your videos never fail to be interesting or educational. Love them
I own a French motorcycle, a Ratier L7. It is a kind of copy of the BMW r12. The motorcycle was driven by the French police, among others when escorting high-ranking politicians such as Charle de Gaulle. The engine is clearly a BMW r12
The French copied General Montgomery too.made him taller, bigger nose and more moody but less competent and brave 10:18 and called it a De gaulle😂
Nice work Mark. I've seen both the copy Bf-109 and copy He-111 at an air museum
Thank you for a most informative video.
I honestly don't know how you come up with such creative content every time, as always a very interesting watch, thank you
Thank you for your top class video’s..They really are a cut above the rest and there are some very good ones out there..But your content leads the way.!
Really good video, as always. I didn't know about all these license built aircraft? Thanks again.
Great vid!
Thanks Mark!
Always enjoy your aviation videos Mark!
Gosh do I love mondays, and only because of you Dr.felton. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to bringing this history to us!
Dr. Felton you some of the best research on the most interesting subjects. The third part of the trifecta is your superb narration. Sierra Hotel Sir!! Semper Fidelis. SSgt B
I just love every single video DR Felton makes thankyou DR Felton and please dont stop
Dr. Felton - your videos are simply wonderful. Thank you!!
Smooth and informative as usual Dr. Felton. Many thanks to you sir.
This was enjoyable to watch Dr. Felton! Thank you!
Mark,
There were even later built ME262's with actually continued war-time tail registration numbers and aproved by ME-Foundation. May want to look up ME-262 Project or Stormbirds.
I believe, one of the examples in your pictures at the end (#4) in hanger is one of the five produced exact replicas and completed in early 2000's with upgraded GE engines.
Yes! I was following the progress of the construction of these aircraft on their website and with all of the documentation and conversions to present day materials, I was most impressed by the Messerschmitt group, to award the designation 262 C forty years after the original versions. Quite the story and even now more can be built because of the details that have been drawn up.
Having gone to many ww2 airshows over the years, I've seen several of these post wwii examples. There are a few original examples I've seen. But I look at it this way, better to have a post ww2 copy to watch fly around then no copy at all.
Mark continues to deliver quality historical vids. Thanks Mark.
Had no idea that so many aircraft continued on for so long. Thanks for another great video.
Excellent episode indeed most enjoyable and informative!
I think the FW190 and the HE111 are the coolest prop planes out there.
Guys on mobile, UA-cam has the new x2 playback feature if you hold the screen. Do that through Mark’s intro music.
Thank me later 😅
Jesus haz Daved me 🎉
Thank you for another tidbit of WWII history Dr Felton!
Thanks for sharing this insightful video Mark! Have a great new week ahead!
a great very interesting video Mr Felton as always.have a good one.
Sir!!! Your Video is outstanding!!! Thank you for sharing this
Superb video Dr. Felton! An interesting footnote regarding the 1970 film "Patton." The filmmakers utilized two Spanish versions of the HE-111 that were previously restored and painted in German markings for the 1969 film "The Battle of Britain." Of course, real HE-111s only had one forward firing gun, so they were not utilized for strafing by the Luftwaffe, as they were a medium bomber aircraft. But I suppose the Patton film crew could not get their hands on ME-109 copies, or perhaps the HE-111 copies were easily obtainable. The HE-111s are also featured in one of the film's battle scenes.
Thanks for a great video Dr. Felton, greetings from France !
In 1971 I was knocking about Europe in a ex-German Post Office VW van. I spied some of these beauties when passing a Spanish Air Force field.
You only have to watch the film "Battle of Britain" to be able to recognise that the Heinkels and the Me109s were retired Spanish Air Force aircraft using Rolls-Royce Merlin engines.
The configuration of the engine naceles, among other characteristics, are the dead giveaways when DB & Jumo engines were onlonger available and substituted with other engines.
Still better than some CGI nonsense though wasn't it ?
My brother having received the 'merch' book about the making of the movie when it came out and me being the actual multiple reader of it, one of the bits that always stuck with me was more or less to the effect "That with the filming of the movie, if Britain had ever wanted to invade Spain, that would have been the most opportune time as the bulk of the Spanish air force was in Britain otherwise engaged". So at least according to that book those aircraft were not retired.
The late Connie Edwards, Texas millionaire and aircraft collector, owned several of those Spanish-built Merlin-engined Bf-109s and said he actually preferred flying them to the Spitfires and Mustangs he owned. In Connie's opinion the Buchons out-performed both. I guess he was in a position to know better than anyone.
Which goes to show you there's nothing that can't be improved with the installation of a Merlin!
They just look “wrong” with those RR nacelles. My opinion.
@@billbrockman779 I don't think they had any choice if they wanted things to be reasonably accurate lol. And it could have been a lot worse. if they'd gone for the " Patton " and " The Battle Of the Bulge " method, they'd have had Dakotas for the 111s, and Mustangs / Skyraiders for the 109s lmao !
Storch has been also produced in postwar Czechoslovakia as Mráz K65 Čáp.
Čáp is simply Storch (Stork) trqnslated to czech.
With Jet being a new concept of aircraft the Czechs reproducing the Me 262 was for me the most interesting one
Yes, amazed me also ! ;)
Thanks!
I shall never forget the distinct Argus sound one day as a teen in Michigan. Never, would I bother looking out the upstairs window, but it was an Fi.156 Storch. I knew WW2 aircraft like the back of my hand. It was an awesome, odd moment. Have no idea to this day who owned it or where it was headed.
Good day Dr. Felton. I’m currently in the hospital and your videos help me pass the day, and I get a history lesson as well. Thank you for posting. Enjoy the day.
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@@StevenKeery Thank you. Hope you are well.
Thanks again Mark, would never have known this.
My great uncle, who started his militairy career in korea in the dutch army, and went to several other lesser known conflicts untill the early 80's, Always said if you cant beat them, copy them. his uncle and my great grandfather served in the SS for from start to end of the dutch unit, he always said most groups used old german junk, in 2010 when he passed he was still convinced of that.
Told me they reproduced everything, more then anyone will ever know. He got into a bit of trouble in his later life since he wrongly deactivated some of his souvenirs, we still have 1 of them left, its the famous ak 47, ''look what i found in the new czech republic! a babushka just made this ( 1997 ) in her basement, look at this craftmanship!'' Guess i am lucky he never brought home a reproduced plain.
( those wondering yes he had german weapons but they got destroyed sadly, he never got them certified correctly just deactivated sadly, and personally my belief is my gov just h8s nazi stuff. )
Shame on your family
Good reason for hating the Nazi stuff, I would say.
The Avia S-199 was a Messerschmitt Bf-109 built in Czechoslovakia. (Germany co-opted the not inconsiderable industrial plant of CZ after 1938). After the war ended, The Czechs found themselves with a bunch of 109 airframes, but no Daimler Benz engines. They had some Junkers Jumo ones, though. A bomber engine. Grafting that onto the 109 made for a pretty terrible warplane, even a lethally dangerous one.
But a number of them were obtained for the new state of Israel by one Robert Maxwell, later to be a famous media magnate in the UK, and father to one Ghislaine Maxwell, partner to Jeffrey Epstein.
Yes, I have a bulletin board with photos and lengths of yarn connecting them.
As I've read the Czech pilots hated those Avia rebuilds, calling them "Mules."
The Israeli's weren't too crazy about them either.
The big Czech arms purchase was essential in Israel's war of independence in 1948. People assume that UK or USA supplied the weapons but it was Stalin via his proxies.
The Avia S199 was matched against Egyptian Spitfires.
The 'perfect' copies were known as Avia S-99, while the Jumo re-engined were the Avia S-199. The 'Mule' name was given by the Israelis ('Mezek' in original Hebrew).
Mark, you bring up World War 2 stuff I would never in a million years think to imagine I didn't know. Thank you.
This video puts WW2, and in fact all wars and conflicts into a new perspective.
Mark, you forgot one type of aircraft, which licence story is more interesting than any mentioned types in your ideo. It's Dornier Do 24 flying boat, created before the war in Doernier design bureau for the Netherlands and after the occuation produced in Holland and France (until 1947) for the Luftwaffe. After the war Do 24 were in service in French and Spanish air forces until 70's. Also interestiingly that this aircraft is one of the very few types which officially served in both of sides of WW2 - in German Luftwaffe and Dutch East Indian Air Force.
Per Wee Herman’s father , a U.S. Air Force WWII pilot , flew the BF -109 copy in Isreal during the 1948 war .
Nazi planes defending the Jews.
On opening day of the war they had 4 and were effective in stopping the armor advance from Egypt!
Of the 4 only two came back .
Story says the First flight after assembly from crated shipping was the combat sortie !
A movie was made called Above and Beyond about the early IAF.
At 06:58 You can see Miss Demeanor, a beautiful Hawker Hunter that I've seen at many airshows.
I used to drag a bored partner around but at Margate one year, with Miss Demeanor standing on her tail 200ft above us I saw her jaw drop open. Afterwards, in one of the best airshow comments ever made, she said "I get it now! But I think you have to be a girl to fully appreciate that bass!"
This from Thunder & Lightnings about her...
"Originally built as an F.4 for the RAF, XF947 was delivered to 5MU in 1956 and served with 3(F) Squadron at RAF Geilenkirchen in Germany as part of 2 ATAF. She ended her short RAF careeer with 229 OCU at Chivenor, and became a ground instructional airframe (numbered A2568) with the FAA at Arbroath (HMS Condor) before being sold back to Hawkers in 1971 and converted to an F.58A for the Swiss Air Force, entering service with them in February 1972 as J-4104 and spending most of her new life as a target tug.
She was retired in 1996, sold to a new UK owner and ferried to Dunsfold. Jonathan Whaley then bought her in 1997 and ferried her to Hurn as G-PSST (Personal Super Sonic Transport) where she was completely restored by Jet Heritage. By mid-1998 the job was done and it was time for a new paint job. Carried out in December/January of 1998/99, Jonathan wanted to go with an unusual civilian scheme rather than keeping the military markings and this 're-entry' paintjob was truly something to behold and made her a firm favourite with airshow audiences for many years. Miss Demeanour, as she was then known, was on the circuit nearly non-stop from 1999 to 2015, and was probably the single most active of the privately owned airframes in the UK.
Sadly she was put up for sale in 2014, as her engine was time-expired, and then the Shoreham air disaster resulted in Hunters being grounded for a while and then hit with extra maintenance headaches; operation of the type has become near impossible and so no buyer in Europe could be found. She was deregistered in 2017, bought by Canadian firm Lortie Aviation and shipped to Canada.
As of May 2019 she has now lost her amazing paint scheme and been repainted in a two tone grey camo scheme, but she has been returned to the air. She is now in regular use providing tactical combat training to the Canadian, US and French military, at locations all over the world - so if you catch her out and about anywhere, throw me a photo!"
I would NOT be flying around in a French marked FW 190 over France during WW2, lol. Great history Mark, thanks! BTW@2:32, BF108s were used in films to portray BF109s like in Von Ryan's Express, not as bad as post war Patton tanks painted black to be German in The Battle Of The Bulge though.
The Spanish Air Force could have German WWII alikes but most of the few Pz IVs and Stug IIIs were out of service (sold to Syria or kept as gate guardians) by the time the Battle of the Bulge (and also Patton) were shot in Spain.
So, let have M-47s playing Tigers, Chaffees playing Shermans and M-3 half-tracks playing Skfz.251s!
Thanks, Dr. Felton!
I'm surprised you never that some of the Spanish HE 111 were featured in the Film; "The Battle of Britain."
Thank you for such a well researched and well presented video.
It was more of a mini-documentary and was very educational, enlightening, and extremely enjoyable.
I had absolutely no idea about anything concerning this interesting subject.
Thank you again for your wonderful presentation.
Be safe, well, free, and blessed, mate.
Bob. Australia.