Lyle Mays: Chords Of 5ths
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2021
- Lyle Mays love of the 5th interval, here in chords voicing, and in his famous Slink.
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Anyone reading my comment, if you haven't heard 'Slink' by Lyle Mays before, then you owe it to yourself to be wonderfully amazed and taken to a whole other fabulous surreal Journey. Lyle is a Musical Genius who left us too soon...... 5/5/24
Absolutely!!!
Man, Lyle, we really miss you and your gift.
Chick Corea and Lyle Mays are two of my ALL TIME Favorites. They both are unique and special in their own right.
RIP Chick and Lyle Maybe you're both jammin' and making beautiful harmonies together ❤🙏
nice lesson 😮
He was just an absolutely bloody gemius.....and a great person to know.....he is sssoooo missed!!!!!
OMG...not just beautifully explained, but beautiful to listen to. Thank you Guy, really instructive and enjoyable. 🙏🏻
Thanks Charles ! 😊
R.I.P. Lyle, we have the tunes you left behind but miss the ones that never were…
Thank you for keeping Lyle's music alive !!
Thank you so much for sharing this. Lyle Mays was an astounding and gifted musician and composer.
Thanks, Bob!
Kenny Barron also utilized these fifths in his style of playing. It is basically impossible to play this on a guitar unless you retune it into stacked fifths. When you do it transforms the your hearing and understanding of the linear nature of the guitar as an instrument. Frank Gambale also utilizes a “Gambale” tuning that makes the guitar more sympathetic to piano voicing. That’s again doc for all of these remarkable insights!
In fact, other people called these voicings Kenny Barron's voicings but suddenly they are also Lyle Mays' voicings.
Dr. Shkolnik, watching your videos for a while now.. just great.. every video. Thanks so much for the analysis which helped me appreciate the PMG so much more. Thank you!!!
Oh , every time i watch your lessions, its so good feeling in my heart. You make it amazing ) ty Guy
The best video I've ever seen on this topic and gorgeous to hear.
Excellent video, and beautiful to listen to as well.......Lyle was amazing. Well done!!
Thank you so much!
Just found your channel...at last, everything I'm hearing on my piano journey but can't grasp. This is it...thx.😊
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Most interesting thing that Ive seen & heard all day!
I’m glad you enjoyed the video, thank you 🙏
The very melodic man mays
Absolutely!
Yes! Of love this sound and Lyle Mays. Thanks for explaining "Slink"
Sure! I was just showing Slink to a new student today as a counterpoint example :)
Thank you, I learned things, this makes me more appreciate of Lyle Mays
Thank you for this great explanation and breakdown
of this voicing Dr. Guy! Bartok used these same open voicings in the 2nd movement of his Piano Concerto #2 played by strings. Knowing that Lyle studied and analyzed classical composers makes me ponder if he heard these and that informed his own compositions.
Makes total sense! What Lyle did was to take the idea of 5ths and apply a motivic development approach to it. You can hear him talking and demonstrating that in an interview with pianist Marian McPartland.
So many thanks for your analysis and approach to Lyles masterpieces. It helps me to get closer to his music. His work with PMG attracted me to work for ECM for some years to get closer to other artists like him. Saw him 2 times live. The first circle tour concert changed my view on music.
Wow, Rainer, this is so powerful! the golden age of ECM - the encounter of American artists with great European musicians and the aesthetics of sound and composition.
I was lucky enough to see the Pat Metheny Group play at Manchester Apollo many many years ago. Got Pats autograph in the foyer. Happy times, wish I could turn the clock back.
So fortunate to see PMG on the First Circle tour in a beautiful outdoor Amphitheater in Irvine, CA on a lovely summer night. They played Steely Dan’s “Caves of Altamira” and Airstream accompanied by the vocal quartet Perrì. They were ON that night and I recall the choruses of the latter becoming more and more powerful to a kind of musical nirvana. No kidding, I smiled so hard, so long, my face hurt for a day or two afterwards.
Always taken by the exploration of stacked 5ths. The found harmonies are very fluid!
Oh yeah they're beautiful!
In college in 1981 I learned about Bela Bartok’s use of fifths in constructing harmonies. I wrote a piece on piano back then that used two fifths in the left hand and two fifths in the RH. I half way explored the harmonies created by altering the distance between the two hands. I say half way because I let the composition go where it wanted to go rather than truly explore all possibilities. Then I found a way to play one chord on guitar, a m11 (1 5 9 b3 b7 11) created by having a m2 between the lowest two fifths and the highest two fifths. On guitar open Em11 is easiest (E B F# G D A) but with a movable barre chord and a little trickery you can play this voicing starting at the fifth fret.
Chords are made up of notes but the emotive aspects of chords varies widely based on the chosen intervals. 5ths and m2’s create interest to our ears in part because they are dissimilar to our well-worn 3rds (m3, M3, m6, M6). 4ths have a quality too. So while it’s important to know the basics of chord construction in terms of a note’s relationship to the root (1 3 5 7 9 11 13) I think it’s more important to let one’s ear carefully select the preferred intervals that represent the intended feeling. It’s like orchestration . It is so important that I think it should be our primary concern as composers. Figure out the functional harmony later. First explore, or rather play with, the aural landscapes created by intervals. Exciting stuff.
I only wish I really played piano so as to better explore this stuff but it is such a wide open area of undiscovered territory that even humble attempts done carefully produce pathways of creativity well worth every minute of your time.
Thank you for showing us what Lyle was exploring. Slink is a masterpiece: contrapuntally, sonically, harmonically, motivically. It is also unique - there is nothing else like it that I am aware of.
Love this open fifth sororities! Have studied Dave Stewart and Barbra Gaskin harmonies? Dave used to have a columm on Keyboard Magazine giving us a lot of tricks with opening 5th chords voicing! I have a track called Diva that used this kind of harmony! I didn't listen and didn't know that Lyle Mays used those types of chords! I used to listen to Keith Emerson Quartal type harmony. Please consider posting more tips or information on how to create those open 5th voicing. Thank you very much and congratulations for your Videos.
Hi Carlo! I haven’t seen those lessons, and will definitely make more on these 5ths chords Check out Lyle Mays ‘Slink’… (thank me later 😉)
Omg Slink is my favourite Lyle Mays tune. Always loved exploring 5ths back at home on my dad's Steinway Grand piano.
My mom bought us an upright stienway that had been restored from a fire. No other piano had that feel and sound for me.
Love the sounds of this Lyle May's chords of 5ths tutorial.
@@laurawhite8778 let me guess.. it sounded ... smoky? Sorry I couldn't resist. Steinways are lovely! I played a Steinway Grandpiano at my fathers house for many years, nothing like it.
Dr Shkolnik nails it again - fabulous 👏👏👏👏🎹🎹🎹🎹
Thanks Will!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer "מדהים גיא נהנתי מכל שנייה..". I've NO idea what this says but you gave it a like and a reply earlier so it's gotta be good, just had to copy & paste it - how could it be anything else but good anyway?? PS - I visited Tel Aviv on business some years back, my clients are mostly around Allenby Rd and Shoken Street. Great city, nice folks!
@@Will-A. thanks Will thank’s my sister Tali, saying she enjoyed the video :) Allenby st! I used to live there when I went to school :) Extremely noisy, but then again 5 min walking to the beach: :)
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Yes, Allenby St (not Rd). I remember how close the beach was and once saw a group of people dancing on a weekend morning there, all doing the same dance moves in unison. And loads of cats lazing on the rocks, love cats. One of my client's 2 sons ran a trendy bar, 'something' Milch was the name. Anyway, I really liked Tel Aviv 😁
I watched the video very carefully. It helps a lot. Thank you!
Glad to hear that! thanks!
Hi Guy
Lyle Mays was a friend of mine as well as Pat Metheny. What I just want to say is what you are explaining belongs to Oscar Brown Jr. (Listen from 2:58' ~~), one of the world greatest musician and composer who has influenced all modern jazz and music composers like Lyle Mays. It was my contribution to your tutorial.
Great musician! Thank you!
It's that sound - sends shivers down my spine 😊 👍
It’s the 5th element 😉
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer 👍
Great video, thank you so much!
I too knew the minor 11 chord made stacking fifths as "the Kenny Barron chord", from the amazing books by Mark Levine
Thanks Pablo! Indeed known by many as the Kenny Barron chord, although Chick Corea (a bit older than KB) used it in his music as well.
I follow all your tips and lessons. You inspire me to compose more and more... Thanks!!! A hug of a Brazilian that's actually lives in Chile at this point of time!
It's wonderful to hear that Bruno, Thank you!
One of the most brilliant pieces of harmony instruction I have seen on UA-cam. Thanks a ton!!!
If I were to decide to learn the piano/keyboards, I would focus my efforts on learning to play in the style of Lyle Mays when my skill level got high enough for that to be a practical consideration. To do this, learning the style and music of Bill Evans would be very important. Bill's style was the very foundation of Lyle's playing.
Bill Evans, absolutely. And Keith Jarrett.
Thank you!!!!!!! P,ease stay safe.
Thank you! 🙏
Still digging this (and still instructive) 2 years later. Many thanks Guy. 🙏
Incredible!
thank you!!! for voicings & modal interchange in this kontext.
Brilliant explanation and beautiful sound...thank you for this!
I'm so glad you enjoyed this! Thank you!!
Thank You!
Glad you liked it! 🙏
Amazing 🎶
Thank you for the lesson!
My pleasure!
I loved Lyle Mays. Whomever is playing in this video, plays quite beautifully; especially the Mays 5ths parts. 😊 (PS: I'm not a musician).
I'm the pianist!!, thank you! ☺️
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Sorry, I wasn't thinking when I typed that. I knew it was you. 😆
🎶 Excellentè! 🎶
Doc, you're giving insight into my favourite pianist, 🙏🙏
Thank you very much for your work!
Olga 🙏
Beautifully explained.
Glad you liked it! Thank you!
Lyle's music really stretches the fingers.
Hey Allan! This one, in particular, is not that bad - Playing C-G-D is ok, unlike the dreaded 10ths 😬
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer I absolutely love Lyle's sound, especially with the 10ths. But it's terrible that I will have to build myself finger extensions out of wood in order to play much of his music because I have tiny hands. *sigh* I was considering making metal fingers but Lyle's fingers were feather light (I shook hands with him once), I have no idea how he got that gospel sound with such light fingers. He must have used pure Zen energy.
Going from Bm7 - Bbmaj7 to Am7 - D major would have a beautiful satisfying resolution!
I love that! 🙌
This is beautiful !
Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it! 🎶🎹
Wonderful lesson! Thanks so much!
Thanks Michael! You're very welcome!
Great one!
Lyle Mays is/was one of the most melodic players in his choice of voicings ... Beautiful tonal colours
Thank you Dr S!!
Outstanding breakdown!
Excelente apreciación gracias por compartir 🙏👍
Beautifully explained Doctor. I love those voicings Lyle Mays used. Thank you.
This is Too Much I Love Lyle Mays!
Beautiful!!!
Thank you Richard!
This is awesome 🎉😊
Excelente! Thanks
Thanks Dan!!
BEAUTIFUL I love this kind of voicing
Thanks, Ron! :)
excellent....thanks
Amazing as always. Thanks!
Thank you, Jonathan!
This is such a cool trick that I never knew about!
Thank you!!
You're welcome!! :)
Sounds so huge! Thanks for the lesson 👍🏼
Sure Shebil! No problem! :)
RIP Lyle Mays a genius
Yes, phase dance needs more attention!!! Helpful video, interesting analysis opening my mind to the 6th degree minor/major view of things! Great playing! Thanks!
Great stuff,thx
Dr. thanks for your breakdown of Lyle's voicing. So simple and elegant.
Thank Kevin! :)
An excellent and useful example! Very fine and easy explained. Thanks for sharing the video!
Hey Mike, thank you!
Good stuff here, so I liked and subscribed.
I'm so glad to hear that! Welcome aboard!
Thx for this video. I watched this presentation/masterclass he gave with a professor in fullerton and he was talking about how he treats chords and general harmonic funtions more like intervals rather that one full cohesive unit. Since then I've been obsessed with trying to figure out what exactly he means. It's something I've noticed myself when analyzing chord progressions and stuff. He did kind of explain it and gave a quick example but I'm still not quite grasping changing my approach to chords. It's definitely something I've explored before I ever found that video. Your video was definitely helpful though in trying to understand more!
I saw this video! What he's doing there with the Half diminished chord of Stella is to treat it the same way he treated 5ths and 4ths that hasn't been used in classical music anywhere near thirds and 6ths. Lyle examined 5ths possibilities in his Slink. What he's doing here is saying.. hey why not apply this modular approach to II - V. - I chords?... 🤔 Even though the Eø is resolving to A7, Lyle is playing with it for a second: he separates it into two thirds: E-G and Bb-D. Then he tries raising the upper third a semitone up to see what happens. He's playing Lego with chords there :)
Thank you for this amazing video! I am so moved by this sounds it's insane!
So glad you liked it it man!
Love that one - great video! Thank you...
Thanks Steven! I appreciate it!
Wow my friend!!
Thank you, my friend :)
Thanks Dr
No Problem Nino! I'm glad you liked it!
These are often referred to as Kenny Baron voicings.
Thanks for mentioning him. Will defo check him out.
Excellent explanation Guy! Now I understand why I gravitate towards these progressions
Thank you, Assaf! These chords sound both modern and ancient at the same time :)
Thanks for this great lesson, Dr.!
Thanks Ricardo! My pleasure!
absolutely wonderful, Guy ... thank you :-)
Hey Jim, thank you! :)
🥰👏🏻
Great thanks
Thanks William!
So well explained, and in a kinda simple way, thx so much!! I'm gonna practice this right now.
Christophe that’s the best comment I can get on a video like that! Thank you!
Sensacional!!!
Thanks Paulo!!
Wish I had the talent on piano the same as Lyle. This album is fantastic.
It is fantastic!
This is so awesome. Best music UA-camr I know!
Thank you, Zachary!
Hello Thank you gave me some beautiful ideas ..
Increíble video!!! Muchas gracias por tus análisis!! Un abrazo
Gracias Gustavo!!
A meaningful WoW!!!
Thank you!! :)
Love this harmony with open fifths and nineths intervals! I use a lot on my music! I didn't know that Lyle May use them!
Hi Carlo! Yes Lyle Mays used them as well as Keith Jarrett!
thanks
got it
i was wondering what "5hs" was n the opening title, until I realised it was a typo. :)
sorry, years of sub-editing experience in the press does that to you.
Dman you're a detective, Allan...
Metheny and Mays composed and arranged nearly all of the group's music.
Wikipedia
Hello. What can I say. What a beautiful way of expanding our appreciation of this incredible musician. Thank you for sharing your talent for analysis with us.
I'm glad you liked it, man! Thank you!
My music theory is still very limited. Trying to improve it all the time. These explanations are both educational and inspiring in helping to unravel what's going on with some of these amazing melodies
Your videos are THE BEST!
Have you ever tackled/evaluated Lyle's 6 minute solo during the performance of Keith Jarrett's "The Windup" by Pat Metheny Group at Onkel Po's on German TV July 8, 1980?
I think it is one of Lyle's most incredible solos ever recorded. Incredible chops on that one. It would be fascinating to hear you break down the left hand vs right hand during that solo. Ingenious improvising at lightning speed.
Thanks, man! Oh yes, I do know that solo! Did you notice him improvising on Falling Grace somewhere in the middle? Incredible stuff!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Yes! I can hear him quoting all kinds of familiar things in that solo, but cant quite place them. Like in Sirabhorn (the song that leads into The Windup) Pat is endlessly quoting Ornette Coleman and Dewey Redman in his guitar solo.
I have heard maybe a dozen renditions the Group did of The Windup over those late 70s-early 80s years, but Lyle's particular solo in Hamburg on TV that night is the most complete and amazing of them all, in my opinion. Like an entire composition from start to finish. I knew you would know it!
When viewed from the side Lyle’s Hands looked like tarantulas on the keys. Beautiful lesson Doc!
Mike, Exactly! For me, it's the final climb in his Proof solo - scary :) And thank you!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Btw, that outro was mesmerizing!
@@mikeo2420 Something about this sequence is so meaningful to me.. thank you Mike
Love your videos hope you are well
Thank you so much, man!
Thank you for this lesson. I learned this from the Herbie Hancock perspective, but I'm loving this lesson on how Lyle used them. Incredible!
Have you seen that pretty recent video of Herbie playing with Spectrasonics Keyscape (virtual piano)? He's playing these gorgeous chords of 4ths and 5ths... Amazing!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Hello Guy, I haven't seen it. Thank you for alerting me to it's existence. I will check it out right away.
Just interesting to point out that Bela Bartok's Piano Concerto No.2 mid-section of 1st Mvt & 2nd Mvt Opening is full of 5th & 9th chords, I think some pianists might be inspired by that and used it in their own composition, at least for me lol. A lot of interesting timbres happening in that concerto.
I recall like two pages of these 5ths, I will definitely check this piece out - recommended for anyone who's reading this comment!
Very good analysis ;) maestro try to analyse Lyle’s voicings, particulary his diatonic clusters in upper registers. It’s sounds exeptional, no other pianist use it.
I know his big hands allowed for it.
I know what you're talking about, you can find it in 'The way Up' score, towards the end of the overture - these huge sounding m13 chords (Like on page 34)
Very interesting. I believe The Pat Metheny Group could really maybe might have been The Lyle Mays Group with Pat Metheny, but Pat was up front, and more famous. Lyle's writing dominated it seems to me, I could be wrong. Not to denigrate Metheny at all, he's truly great, they were a phenomenal duo- equals in my opinion... One mention I'd also make, is Mays' apparent fandom, and occasional direct inclusion of phrases of Oscar Peterson. Metheny described Lyle as a math genius, and responsible for the post production tech. He was regarded as a "software manager". I can only imagine what that entails. My musically literate but pompous brother once asked me why I liked Metheny. I responded, "because of Lyle Mays".
Thank you! Lyle was Indeed responsible for a lot of the music of PMG. In Minuano 6/8 for example, Pat wrote the 16 bar main melody and Lyle added all the rest: the Intro and the interludes. Same with A Place In the world. This can give a general Idea of type of their compositional contribution to the band. I like Pat's large scale compositions as in The Orchestion, they do however sound different, more linear and lacking that "3D" effect created by Lyle.
מדהים גיא נהנתי מכל שנייה..
תודה רבה! בסוף תדעי הרמוניה! :)
Poly Chordal Harmony....
Hi! Were these chords also used by *Dave Grusin* in one of his scores for *The Fabulous Baker Boys* movie? I'm not a musician, but there's a quality to this sound that sounds similar. 😊
Listening right now to the soundtrack - very good music! And yes you can definitely hear these types of chords in there!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Thank you. I enjoy your channel, playing and lessons. I wish I could play, but I'm happy to listen. 😊
PS: Sadly, the soundtrack CD that was released omitted the best scores from the movie. We all complained! But if you have time for a good movie, below is a URL to it for FREE 😆, where you'll also enjoy the missing scores. I suspect you've see it, though. Enjoy!
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