The Patriot did give all of us GWOT veterans a feeling of disappointment that none of us got a Flag Kill while an Eagle screamed majestically in the background.
@@Idahoguy10157 The War of Independence was a civil war between British colonials. The American Civil War was a war of conquest by an extreme ideology.
@@Idahoguy10157 The War of Independence was a civil war between British colonials. The American Civil War was a war of conquest by an extreme ideology.
@@davidbaker8483 not strictly true as once the French got involved with their Dutch and Spanish allies colonies in the east and west indies were up for grabs to. Also the British commander in the end surrendered to the French commander and not to one of the colonials.
As a life long resident of the Upstate, South Carolina I have learned a lot about local history. Not far from where I live there is a colonial era farm called Walnut Grove. One thing they show you on the tour is a dark spot on the floor of one of the bedrooms which was caused by the blood of the owner who when he shot by loyalist while he was sick and in bed. On the other side, many of the loyalist POW's from the battle of King's Mountain may have been hanged later on. As for Major Ferguson, his ghost still can be seen on the battlefield, if you believe in that sort of thing. There may have been a hundred little battles in SC without a single British soldier present. With neighbor against neighbor the war took on a character of viscousness you don't see too much of in that era. From that aspect, it makes sense that Tarleton would be demonized, deserving or not.
@@Dylan-i8t it was a battle and he was the enemy commander and thus a legitimate target. Calling that a murder is typical recency bias stupidity. Now the treatment of his body after he was killed in the battle was wrong but typical of the hatred between rebels and loyalists
@jamesfrancis1950 murdering civilians, and graping women are part of war? Were there not rules of war even then? Is that the standard we should go by?
I’m incredibly shocked that The Patriot isn’t a historically accurate movie. Shocked I tell you! 😅. I never thought he was as bad as the stories about him. Another great video.
@@FMCH6444 His men did the things that they were accused of. But so did many militia units fighting on the Patriot side in the Carolinas. It was really a very bloody civil war. Thongs were done on both sides.
@@davidtuttle7556it we not a civil war, we had nothing in common with the Brits. Get off your deludedness. We kicked the nonsense out you in 1783 for a reason.
@@ddoherty5956 a very astute observation! I worked at a lot of places in Liverpool when I was with the BBC and to be absolutely honest I had a great time for the most part. But there was one occasion at Anfield when a kid of about 9 years nicked one of our cameras and then his big brother came and "sold" it back to us for a sizeable sum!
Two Liverpool born guys, one Banastre Tarlton, and on the other side, Robert Morris, who helped finance the rebels and signed the Declaration of independence.
The patriot is actually a really good movie and it gets a lot of things accurately correct It does a good job showing the brutality of the southern campaign. People that want to sit here and pick on the movie more often than not, don't know what they're talking about.
Gibson's film was simply ridiculous. Although the war in the Southern colonies of Georgia & South Carolina was quite bloody and vengeful- much like the Scottish/ northern British borderers from which they descended- no one ever forced civilians into a church and set it afire. Gibson seems to hate England for some odd reason. Sherman was far away more ruthless and brutal than Tarleton ever was. It seems to be the hollywood script to make the " bad guy" as bad as possible in order to justify any retribution. Gibson used the same script in Braveheart. The Scots were just as violent as the English and raided and pillaged all across Northern England just as rampant as the English. During our revolution the " pariots" very often abused and mistreated loyalists just as badly as they were in turn treated, but it was, after all, a war. Morgan did out- general Tarleton at Cowpens, but Tarleton was not the villian our sloppy American history portrays him to be.
@ninjaturtle574 Yes, and it was so inaccurate. I hated that scene most of all. In fact, I hated the non historical and sensationalist content of the entire movie
True. But to be fair, Gibson didn't produce that godawful piece of cinematic propaganda - look up Brandon F's review, it's worse than you think, considering how American slaves are portrayed is even more insulting. Braveheart is also terrible, and the original script is even worse. But it was basically Americanisation of Scottish history, since the Scots are Native Americans/19th Century natives in all but name, and the English are U.S Cavalry/19th Century European colonialists in the same way.
Dude, the Brits were barbaric. That's literally the history of your entire history. Liter ally beheaded your own king with an axe,literally put beheaded heads on pikes and even drawer and quartered people. Literally watched a documentary on how the colonials from your country cannibalized a 14 year old girl, a 14 year old girl!! This was in the Jamestown Settlement in the Virginia colony. You are the example of savagery trying to mascarade as being civilized which is hilarious , at best. It will be the day when you finally get off your deludedness and acknowledge what you actually are.
So, that absolves the evil committed by the Brits....? My word, you ridiculous hystericaled deluded nonsense from a no sense part of the world that is now simply and thankfully irrelevant.
Highly interesting video and I very much liked your guest speaker, Todd Braisted. The character of "Tavington" in The Patriot, though a delicious movie villain, would have been court marshalled for war crimes and likely shot by the British Army for his actions in the film.
@ that’s not my point. It’s a fictional movie not a history lesson. Take some time and read the history of the War both British, American and loyalist view points
@@MrSphandorEXACTLY! The way that modern journalists talk about recent wars... how many civilians were MURDERED..etc etc..shows how they have NO IDEA how wars have been fought throughout ALL of HUMAN HISTORY! They judging WAR from the viewpoint of a comfortable chair & modern technology..& 99.9% of them have never even had a fistfight!
@johnhallet5846, take this into consideration as a different perspective,, the Japanese committed horrible atrocities in WWII, but they actually liked the Jews and gave thousands of Jews safe harbor in Japanese controlled regions and did not understand Hitler’s obsessive hatred.
heck the good news they would never gotten trump. of course napoleon would still have Louisiana and proabbly have sent a big army to defend it. i can see napoleon even invading britsh north america.
Yeah. It would suck to have the most powerful country in human history. Now Britain is much better off as a vassal state of that very country. God speed Britain. God speed.
People say 'it doesn't matter, it's only a film'. A few years ago, an American teacher was complaining because she had asked her young students what was the cause of the American Revolutionary War. Many had replied that it was because the British had burned people alive in a church.
@@simonkevnorris Since that is the reality, maybe some historical movies should ideally be more educational. They can still be entertaining, I don't buy the "watch a documentary not a movie" argument.
@@simonkevnorris That last part wasn't directed at you specifically. Just generally pushing back against that sentiment I've seen on this comment section. Movie is for entertainment, it can still be mostly historically accurate, maybe educational isn't the best word. Anyways, it is not an either or situation.
Thanks for giving an objective view about Tarleton, even tho I dislike him. The Patriot is not a movie you want to watch for any accurate historical reference. There are a lot of myths about him, But one thing is certain, he gave Daniel Morgan, the greatest victory of the American Revolution
The movies you want to see for accurate historical reference can probably be counted with the fingers of one hand (and you will probably not need all of them).
It is so unpleasant to find out that a lot of history learned is done through movies and other media. It is a true challenge sometimes to dig out the facts and prove Hollywood wrong. Well done video, thank you Chris.
Notice Hollywood has British officers speaking with upper class English accents, even if they were born in America? At the time however, both English and Americans sounded the same.
So, not a Saint, but not a monster? Sounds about right for most of us. The trouble is, more than one Nation has a tendency to paint any defeat they suffer as a "massacre"- just look at Grey's night attack at Paolis' Tavern. Mell Gibson, makes a good film, but historical accuracy just aint his strong point, bit like Ridley Scott tbf.
Hey I love Gibson lol. They only hype the Bloody Ban narrative to add debt to Mel's Character. Btw does the movie totally negativize the British as a whole? Nope, just B. Tolerton. and made Lord Cornwallis a typical Aristocrat. So again the movie needed a motivation for us to follow Gibson's character, while making Tolerton feel more personal to Benjamin Martin.
Banastre Tarleton was probably less aggressive than Gen Sheridan who implemented the infamous 'March through Georgia'. Colonel John Graves Simcoe was also slandered in this documentary. Simcoe was later made the colonial Governor of Upper Canada. One of Simcoe's first political actions was to ensure no slaves would be imported into Upper Canada, thus ending slavery in months, since slave living there simply ran away and crossed into the adjoining American states where they would not be hunted and returned to Upper Canada.
I went passed a local closed country pub today (27/11/2024) in Ferensby, twixt Knaresborough and Boroughbridge, (note Google spell check says I spelt all three wrong?) the name of the Pub currently up for sale, is The General Tarleton, who he thinks I? Saved a Google search, many thanks Redcoat, from North Yorkshire.
Brilliant. I read somewhere that during his service in Parliament Tarleton publicly criticized Cornwallis for his lack of aggressive command at Yorktown.
Great video, man. I was looking forward to watching this one. As someone who loves studying the War of Independence, I always appreciate it when someone goes to the trouble of treating it with seriousness. I think Tarleton was a great soldier, and really a British hero. I'm glad that Michael Caine, another British hero (in my opinion) got to represent him on screen. And nice burn on Sherman, too!! Great job as usual, Chris!
Correct if your making a move about the Revolutionary from the American prospective you would want to bump the valium on the Brutality of the Red Coats. Plus it also painted General Lord Cornwallis as the opposite of Bloody Ban. Plus knowing he survive the war instead of being killed during Cowpens like in the movie tells you a lot that it was loosie based on the Southern campaign!
I believe the rebels had a similar figure, though actually more brutal like the fictional Tavington, the famous "Light Horse Harry Lee" (a forebear of Gen Robert E Lee) but his reputation is exaggerated and lionised by the Colonials.
I actually walked out of “The Patriot” when I viewed it at our theatre. I too am a student of history and was appalled at the inaccuracies of Mel Gibson’s film.
The Army board would get the original sum and if you bought a higher rank from a senior officer, you could sell your present rank for the same price as your purchase price. The practice originates from medieval times and continued until 1871.
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Basking Ridge is just up the road - I think there is some debate which house it actually is. Tremendous amount of Rev War history around these parts in central Jersey - The Betty Frezee house is around the corner - are you familiar - Great story. “Sir, I give you this bread through fear, not in love." - Aunt Betty to Gnl Cornwallis LOL
TY-I never believed the movie 'Patriot" was in any way accurate as a university level account of actual events. Hollywood spawms bs like forever, so once again TY for keeping things real.
It’s not even kid-level. It’s one thing to tell kids fairy-stories. It’s another to pretend that the fairy-stories are true and that real people are the ogres coming to get them…
@@peterwebb8732 I agree. US 'mythology" can destroy facts , and distort truth to obnoxious levels. They have to eat all the stuff they're served, without a factual snack, so sorry to the US folks.
No movie does. I don't even understand why this has become a thing. These days for people to sit here and and peck apart, fictional stories based in history... They're FICTIONAL
I had read about Banastre Tarleton and loved how balanced this video is. He was a man who wasn't black or white but grey. Very well researched. It would be really helpful if you could add subtitles because a lot of people might not have English as their first language, or some might be hard of hearing. Thank you!
That picture is incorrect, you use your sword as a dragoon or cavalry the opposite way so on contact you strike and then it follows through if you use it the way depicted you strike but with momentum of of the horse can break your wrist and you lose your sword
Just been reading up on him as Warlord Games sent me a free sprue of Continental Infantry in my last order…going to do a small force of both sides but base the British on Tarleton and the British Legion.
“British campaign in the South had started promisingly, it eventually started to unravel. Another loyalist Commander Major Patrick Ferguson was killed at the Battle of Kings Mountain.” My 6th and 7th great-grandfathers say: “Your welcome.” 😉 P.S. Excellent presentation on Banastre Tarleton. 👍
Thanks to the channel for offering the loyalist side of the American revolution. We are not taught that George Washington started the Fench and Indian war, let alone any British/loyalist success. Of course, we Yanks are currently not taught maths, physics, civics, etc...
I mean, we are taught all of those things, but our educational system is highly politicized, so our civics and history especially gets hacked up and propagandized by right-wing text book publishers.
One hand he pioneered the military tactics of total war...another; he supported slavery and voted against British abolitionism (explored in Amazing Grace film) whereas possibly cemented as a true historical villain to the end *But you cant deny his dashing British uniform*
Admiral Nelson possibly would have voted against the abolition of slavery if he had survived Trafalgar. His vote,after defeating Napoleon,could have swung a lot of votes against abolition.
And this is why I love learning history from different people and from different countries you get a more well rounded telling. But at the end of the day Merica Fuck yeah. Lol great video thank you for an amazing video.
Absolutely riveting video , so it appears The Monster 👹 and Devils partner was actually a Monstrous Myth and he was a very brave and vigorous fighter and soldiers soldier …..a very mixed career as a tactical leader and probably not a great strategist…..but one hell of a soldier and leader 👏👏👍. I shall watch this video several times to get all the details out of it …as I said “ Absolutely riveting “ …..well done
I became a fan of Jason Isaacs from his portrayal of Hook in Peter Pan. It was then that I recalled that he portrayed this character in 'The Patriot,' a complete dogshit of a movie of which I still want my five dollars back.
I still need to watch The Death of Stalin. He plays Marshall Zhukov in that in a very amusing and over the top manner. He was also in Armageddon. A somewhat decent popcorn action movie.
@@hugh_ghennauxagreed it’s an over the top satire. Jason Issac’s as Georgy Zhukov is fantastic and somehow has elements of what I imagined the conqueror of Berlin to be like. There are plenty of stories of Zhukov behaving outrageously for a senior commander and Jason Issac’s portrayal fits. ‘Hands up or I’ll shoot you in the fu*king face’ lol
Enen in the early 1960's Disney had a television show called the Swamp Fox which perpetually pitted Francis Marion against the evil sadist Ban Tarleton who was shown riding about South Carolina forever burning, flogging, and killing his way to glory and eternal damnation.
I recently subscribed. I teach US history in the Chicago Public Schools and am currently teaching the American Revolution. I like your perspective on the Loyalist/Patriot sides during this Revolution/civil war within Great Britain's Empire at the time.
Tarleton may not have been the devil incarnate, but it warms my heart that two generations of my diret ancestors were at Cow Pens and were responsible for defeating the cocky little braggert. I like to think they witnessed his back side disappearing as he rode hell for leather to get out of there and save hsi own hide, leaving behind almost his entire force killed, wounded or captured. Our host can pick his own heros but I think there are better candidates.
My 5th great grandfather actually got captured by Tarleton at the battle of fishing creek. I was amazed by that considering I do revolutionary war reenactments.
Pronounced "Tarl-ton." Good to see an episode of Americans fighting Americans. JOlly good to learn that a Captain Corbett ws in the 17thy Light Dragoons. Thanks to Parkinson Pasha.
Visited his tomb in a sleepy Herefordshire church about 5 years ago. My own ancestor was wounded at Bunker Hill - Captain Francis Marsden. Died of his wounds in 1780, aged 27.
Thank you Chris for the excellent review of this historic character that came to light because of Hollywood….I had no idea it was areal character until today. Loving Historic pearls like this one.
I was first introduced to the character of Tarleton in "The Swamp Fox", a series of eight episodes on Walt Disney Presents back in 1959-1960. He was not portrayed nearly as dastardly as Jason Isaac's villainous version.
I wrote a paper on Cornwallis campaign in the South while in my Officer Basic Course in the Army. I discovered that his victories evaporated as he moved on. If I recall correctly, he would leave loyalists in charge of conquered cities and territories who would then brutalize and seize the property of the known Patriots. It had the effect of turning more people against the crown and make it harder for the loyalists to recruit the locals into their units. And often they would also in turn overthrow the loyalists Cornwallis had left in charge.
This is something. Fascinating to this came after watching The Patriot. Looked him after watching the film. He's nowhere near like the film version. He's nothing like that. I looked at him like he's Dennis Rodman. Partygoer, womanizer. Worth watching.
Basically in any serious counter insurgeny or COIN you have to fight fire with fire. Units that do so successfully such as Tarleton's Legion, The Natal Carbineers, The Irish Auxillaries or the The Sealous Scouts are inevitably defamed by their opponents.
I bet he was a great guy , I saw how in TURN they (the Americans) vilified John Graves Simcoe , where in Canada we loved him we name all kinds of things after him counties, cities, lakes, schools, malls, streets etc
I have only ever been in one cinema where you could cut the atmosphere with a knife because of the audiences' hostility, The Patriot, 2000, High St Kensington.
Mel Gibson omitted in “The Patriot” that the colonists wore wode on their faces, which matched their blue uniforms, and that Piers Gaveston was a key advisor to Bloody Ban.
Another British officer from this time period that Hollywood turned into a "villain" in the TV series "Turn: Washington's Spies," was John Simcoe. He was also portrayed as a psychopath. But unlike Tarleton, Simcoe became an outspoken abolitionist.
Tarleton was promoted to captain in the 79th Regiment of Foot when that corps was raised. His rank of lieutenant colonel in 1778 was Provincial, not British. Tarleton was later breveted to British rank of major, then lieutenant colonel. When the British Legion cavalry became a regular regiment of the British Army on 25 December 1782, he had real British rank as lieutenant colonel. Thomas Pattinson was a cornet in the 17th Light Dragoons less than a year when he was promoted to lieutenant colonel of the Prince of Wales American Volunteers, although the British and the regiment would definitely regret that move.
I enjoyed this podcast. I live about 25 minutes from Guilford Court House where the battle took place. It's a second home for me. If you're ever in Greensboro, NC please stop by there for a visit and tour.
We used to take our students to Guilford Court House to watch the battle reenactment on New Garden Road. I think Guilford Court House and the Tank Museum in Danville, VA were their favorite field trips.
It’s important (in my opinion) for everyone to understand, the fighting in the Carolinas and Georgia was fiercely bloody and partisan in nature. Honestly it kinda was like it’s own separate civil war alongside the revolution.
Certainly the Patriot was heavily dramatized and Colonel Tavington as portrayed by Jason Isaacs was just a perfect dramatized character for that actor considering some of the other roles he has played over the years such as Captain Gabriel Lorca.
Spent most of his inheritance on wine, women and song and the rest foolishly.
An 18th Century George Best then?
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so basically a typical British 18th century noble.
Hahaha
I bet his knowledge of bawdy songs was admirable as well.
You mean he wasn't killed in hand-to-hand combat with Mel Gib-son??
Mel Gibson has no footing in reality in his films. Purely entertainment, if you like that sort of thing.
@@williamharrison7797 Surprised that a great actor like Jason Isaacs would play such a role in that movie. Too bad and a waste of true talent.
Two Men Enter, One Man Leaves.
@@lordofdunvegan6924 Its a paycheck.
@@lordofdunvegan6924 Isaacs loves Villains: The Harry Potter films, Soldier
The Patriot did give all of us GWOT veterans a feeling of disappointment that none of us got a Flag Kill while an Eagle screamed majestically in the background.
How did you not? I got three of them and I was a cook in the Philippines during the whole thing
Civil wars are the most savage of wars. Neighbor versus neighbor. Brother versus brother
@@Idahoguy10157 The War of Independence was a civil war between British colonials. The American Civil War was a war of conquest by an extreme ideology.
@@Idahoguy10157 The War of Independence was a civil war between British colonials. The American Civil War was a war of conquest by an extreme ideology.
@davidbaker8483 I'm curious, what specificaly is the "extreme ideology" you're referring to?
@@davidbaker8483 not strictly true as once the French got involved with their Dutch and Spanish allies colonies in the east and west indies were up for grabs to. Also the British commander in the end surrendered to the French commander and not to one of the colonials.
@@davidbaker8483 the ideology of abolishing slavery, perhaps? that is extreme indeed :))
Now im starting to doubt the accuracy of Braveheart 🤣🤣🤣
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you should ..the Scots are idiots that should not be allowed to govern themselves , they completely F*CKED up Canada.
A great movie, but just that!
Don't get started on 300. THIS IS SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!
Brave heart is full of historical mistakes, for example Edward 2 nd didnt marry Isabella until 2years after William Wallace was executed
As a life long resident of the Upstate, South Carolina I have learned a lot about local history. Not far from where I live there is a colonial era farm called Walnut Grove. One thing they show you on the tour is a dark spot on the floor of one of the bedrooms which was caused by the blood of the owner who when he shot by loyalist while he was sick and in bed. On the other side, many of the loyalist POW's from the battle of King's Mountain may have been hanged later on. As for Major Ferguson, his ghost still can be seen on the battlefield, if you believe in that sort of thing. There may have been a hundred little battles in SC without a single British soldier present. With neighbor against neighbor the war took on a character of viscousness you don't see too much of in that era. From that aspect, it makes sense that Tarleton would be demonized, deserving or not.
@@Dylan-i8t it was a battle and he was the enemy commander and thus a legitimate target. Calling that a murder is typical recency bias stupidity.
Now the treatment of his body after he was killed in the battle was wrong but typical of the hatred between rebels and loyalists
There’s a history professor at Clemson who claims there were 102 battles in South Carolina with no redcoats present.
No clue if it’s true.
I gotta give credit for throwing shade at gen Sherman in the middle of a video about the Revolutionary War. Nice
well he did kind of level and raise the carolinas.
@@poil8351 Well maybe, and work with me here, the treasonous Confederates shouldn't have played FAFO.
part of every war.
@jamesfrancis1950 murdering civilians, and graping women are part of war? Were there not rules of war even then? Is that the standard we should go by?
@@liamliam5341 the Georgian British? Rules? Don't ask the Irish and Scots......
I’m incredibly shocked that The Patriot isn’t a historically accurate movie. Shocked I tell you! 😅. I never thought he was as bad as the stories about him. Another great video.
+FMCH6444. They even got the colour of his uniform wrong. It was green, not scarlet/red.
@@FMCH6444 His men did the things that they were accused of. But so did many militia units fighting on the Patriot side in the Carolinas. It was really a very bloody civil war. Thongs were done on both sides.
British with their usual deludedness, what's new?
@@davidtuttle7556it we not a civil war, we had nothing in common with the Brits. Get off your deludedness. We kicked the nonsense out you in 1783 for a reason.
@@frank-ko6deyou where 'the Brits' at that time but in revolt & in fact the French won!
I've read a few books about him. Fascinating figure and a good cavalry officer.
A Scouser with money??? Good grief! A dangerous combination...🤣
Change the record lad
He was a different kind of Scouser, one who isn't Irish and Catholic like the Scousers today.
@@fyrdman2185most scousers aren’t Irish and catholic
Not as dangerous as a Scouser without money 🤣🤣🤣
@@ddoherty5956 a very astute observation! I worked at a lot of places in Liverpool when I was with the BBC and to be absolutely honest I had a great time for the most part. But there was one occasion at Anfield when a kid of about 9 years nicked one of our cameras and then his big brother came and "sold" it back to us for a sizeable sum!
Thank you for giving him a fair hearing.
Shut up you dumb english
Excellent presentation - I learned a lot. One small correction - prisoners were ‘hanged’. Whether they were hung or not is a very different video.
xD
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Two Liverpool born guys, one Banastre Tarlton, and on the other side, Robert Morris, who helped finance the rebels and signed the Declaration of independence.
Typical! You bloody scousers causing trouble again! 😂😂😂😂
I remember at the time, his descendants protested the movie . Especially the church burning.
It’s interesting of how both he and Wilberforce died in 1833, the year that most of slavery was abolished in the British Empire.
Yesterday I posted about liking The Patriot clips in another video then this comes out. I only found this channel two days ago and love it.
Welcome aboard!
The patriot is actually a really good movie and it gets a lot of things accurately correct
It does a good job showing the brutality of the southern campaign.
People that want to sit here and pick on the movie more often than not, don't know what they're talking about.
Gibson's film was simply ridiculous. Although the war in the Southern colonies of Georgia & South Carolina was quite bloody and vengeful- much like the Scottish/ northern British borderers from which they descended- no one ever forced civilians into a church and set it afire.
Gibson seems to hate England for some odd reason.
Sherman was far away more ruthless and brutal than Tarleton ever was.
It seems to be the hollywood script to make the " bad guy" as bad as possible in order to justify any retribution.
Gibson used the same script in Braveheart. The Scots were just as violent as the English and raided and pillaged all across Northern England just as rampant as the English.
During our revolution the " pariots" very often abused and mistreated loyalists just as badly as they were in turn treated, but it was, after all, a war.
Morgan did out- general Tarleton at Cowpens, but Tarleton was not the villian our sloppy American history portrays him to be.
that church burning scene is based on something the fucking Nazi's did its why I lost all respect for Gibson
@ninjaturtle574
Yes, and it was so inaccurate. I hated that scene most of all. In fact, I hated the non historical and sensationalist content of the entire movie
True. But to be fair, Gibson didn't produce that godawful piece of cinematic propaganda - look up Brandon F's review, it's worse than you think, considering how American slaves are portrayed is even more insulting.
Braveheart is also terrible, and the original script is even worse. But it was basically Americanisation of Scottish history, since the Scots are Native Americans/19th Century natives in all but name, and the English are U.S Cavalry/19th Century European colonialists in the same way.
Dude, the Brits were barbaric. That's literally the history of your entire history. Liter ally beheaded your own king with an axe,literally put beheaded heads on pikes and even drawer and quartered people. Literally watched a documentary on how the colonials from your country cannibalized a 14 year old girl, a 14 year old girl!! This was in the Jamestown Settlement in the Virginia colony.
You are the example of savagery trying to mascarade as being civilized which is hilarious , at best. It will be the day when you finally get off your deludedness and acknowledge what you actually are.
So, that absolves the evil committed by the Brits....? My word, you ridiculous hystericaled deluded nonsense from a no sense part of the world that is now simply and thankfully irrelevant.
Highly interesting video and I very much liked your guest speaker, Todd Braisted. The character of "Tavington" in The Patriot, though a delicious movie villain, would have been court marshalled for war crimes and likely shot by the British Army for his actions in the film.
Listen to the video with some British bias, he was guilty of some of those actions and was a hero in Britain.
@@jeffreyolive8375 And the Patriot isn't biased at all...
@ that’s not my point. It’s a fictional movie not a history lesson. Take some time and read the history of the War both British, American and loyalist view points
I am sure that like most wars there were atrocious incidents on both sides and some minor issues that were inflated out of all proportion.
@@MrSphandorEXACTLY!
The way that modern journalists talk about recent wars... how many civilians were MURDERED..etc etc..shows how they have NO IDEA how wars have been fought throughout ALL of HUMAN HISTORY!
They judging WAR from the viewpoint of a comfortable chair & modern technology..& 99.9% of them have never even had a fistfight!
I got a good laugh at that bit of shade you tossed at Sherman. He certainly did far worse than Tarleton. This video was very informative.
War is war; those like you will never be able to look at it with logic or any kind of rational thought
@johnhallet5846, take this into consideration as a different perspective,, the Japanese committed horrible atrocities in WWII, but they actually liked the Jews and gave thousands of Jews safe harbor in Japanese controlled regions and did not understand Hitler’s obsessive hatred.
@johnhallet5846, I suppose you find it inconvenient that German and American troops took a break in WWI so that they can celebrate Christmas together?
@@keithtorgersen9664 one instance among millions? you take stupid to a new level
@@keithtorgersen9664 err British and French as the yanks weren't really there in any meaningful numbers till 1918.
Hero. Although, what a nightmare it would have been for Britain to win that war and end up keeping the USA. They dodged a bullet there.
Sometimes you have to fight a war and lose to rid yourself of undesirables ! Britain did well in that one 😉
We could have introduced them to the concept of non-crime hate incidents
We win all the important ones.
heck the good news they would never gotten trump. of course napoleon would still have Louisiana and proabbly have sent a big army to defend it. i can see napoleon even invading britsh north america.
Yeah. It would suck to have the most powerful country in human history. Now Britain is much better off as a vassal state of that very country. God speed Britain. God speed.
People say 'it doesn't matter, it's only a film'. A few years ago, an American teacher was complaining because she had asked her young students what was the cause of the American Revolutionary War. Many had replied that it was because the British had burned people alive in a church.
I'd say the problem there is that people watching a movie can't distinguish between a movie and a documentary.
@@simonkevnorris Since that is the reality, maybe some historical movies should ideally be more educational. They can still be entertaining, I don't buy the "watch a documentary not a movie" argument.
@@noreply-7069 Where did I say "watch a documentary not a movie"? A movie is for entertainment - it does not need to be educational.
@@simonkevnorris That last part wasn't directed at you specifically. Just generally pushing back against that sentiment I've seen on this comment section. Movie is for entertainment, it can still be mostly historically accurate, maybe educational isn't the best word. Anyways, it is not an either or situation.
The brittish did do things like that ask the Scottish Highlanders at culloden and glencoe slaughtered
His father was Lord Mayor of Liverpool and a street in Liverpool is named after the family. Well, named after one of them.
Thanks for giving an objective view about Tarleton, even tho I dislike him. The Patriot is not a movie you want to watch for any accurate historical reference. There are a lot of myths about him, But one thing is certain, he gave Daniel Morgan, the greatest victory of the American Revolution
The movies you want to see for accurate historical reference can probably be counted with the fingers of one hand (and you will probably not need all of them).
It is so unpleasant to find out that a lot of history learned is done through movies and other media. It is a true challenge sometimes to dig out the facts and prove Hollywood wrong. Well done video, thank you Chris.
Good story and narration! Wow, how movies and stories stray far from the real history.
Thank you for doing this!
Notice Hollywood has British officers speaking with upper class English accents, even if they were born in America? At the time however, both English and Americans sounded the same.
For simplicity sake. Unfortunately the average American today doesn't munderstand
So, not a Saint, but not a monster? Sounds about right for most of us. The trouble is, more than one Nation has a tendency to paint any defeat they suffer as a "massacre"- just look at Grey's night attack at Paolis' Tavern.
Mell Gibson, makes a good film, but historical accuracy just aint his strong point, bit like Ridley Scott tbf.
Mel Gibson didn't write the film did he?
Mel Gibson was just an actor in that movie.
Mel Gibson + History = Ballcocks
Hey I love Gibson lol. They only hype the Bloody Ban narrative to add debt to Mel's Character. Btw does the movie totally negativize the British as a whole? Nope, just B. Tolerton. and made Lord Cornwallis a typical Aristocrat. So again the movie needed a motivation for us to follow Gibson's character, while making Tolerton feel more personal to Benjamin Martin.
Now do Braveheart.
@@rfe8nn2If you have to lie about historical characters in order to make your protagonist look better, you aren’t much of a writer or producer.
@@peterwebb8732 Did Mel Gibson write the movie?
Did Mel Gibson write the movie though? He was an Aussie, I doubt he did. On the bog, can't Google it soz
Banastre Tarleton was probably less aggressive than Gen Sheridan who implemented the infamous 'March through Georgia'. Colonel John Graves Simcoe was also slandered in this documentary. Simcoe was later made the colonial Governor of Upper Canada. One of Simcoe's first political actions was to ensure no slaves would be imported into Upper Canada, thus ending slavery in months, since slave living there simply ran away and crossed into the adjoining American states where they would not be hunted and returned to Upper Canada.
you mean Sherman. Sherridan was busy burning the Shenandoah valley to ground at the time.
How did the Civil War and Revolutionary War get mixed up. Sherman was Civil War last I heard
Seems like a lovely bloke
These times were tough and you cannot be a softie
At least he was true and loyal to his people
Love from Pakistan
I went passed a local closed country pub today (27/11/2024) in Ferensby, twixt Knaresborough and Boroughbridge, (note Google spell check says I spelt all three wrong?) the name of the Pub currently up for sale, is The General Tarleton, who he thinks I?
Saved a Google search, many thanks Redcoat, from North Yorkshire.
Why trust Google to spell English correctly. It really trie's to mangle most thing's into American.
Brilliant. I read somewhere that during his service in Parliament Tarleton publicly criticized Cornwallis for his lack of aggressive command at Yorktown.
Great video, man. I was looking forward to watching this one. As someone who loves studying the War of Independence, I always appreciate it when someone goes to the trouble of treating it with seriousness. I think Tarleton was a great soldier, and really a British hero. I'm glad that Michael Caine, another British hero (in my opinion) got to represent him on screen. And nice burn on Sherman, too!! Great job as usual, Chris!
Thanks Ryan, I always look forward to your feedback.
Excellent. Thank you for the background on him. Very inspirational.
Very nice. I hated the movie character.
Just another courageous bloke caught up in a bloody war, thanks for sharing mate.
Thanks mate - PS I plan on visiting Rolica next year - I will email you.
@@redcoathistory Great news bro, you will finaly pay me a pint 😆 do drop me a line to confirm, best regards.
Correct if your making a move about the Revolutionary from the American prospective you would want to bump the valium on the Brutality of the Red Coats. Plus it also painted General Lord Cornwallis as the opposite of Bloody Ban. Plus knowing he survive the war instead of being killed during Cowpens like in the movie tells you a lot that it was loosie based on the Southern campaign!
I believe the rebels had a similar figure, though actually more brutal like the fictional Tavington, the famous "Light Horse Harry Lee" (a forebear of Gen Robert E Lee) but his reputation is exaggerated and lionised by the Colonials.
I actually walked out of “The Patriot” when I viewed it at our theatre. I too am a student of history and was appalled at the inaccuracies of Mel Gibson’s film.
Learn the difference between a documentary and a movie. Even if the movie is 'based on a true story'.
When someone purchased a commission, who were they buying it from?
The Crown of course, you take the King's shilling as a common recruit, but you buy a Commission.
The Army board would get the original sum and if you bought a higher rank from a senior officer, you could sell your present rank for the same price as your purchase price. The practice originates from medieval times and continued until 1871.
In theory from the Crown, in practice from the previous incumbent who had bought it from his predecessor. etc.
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This video explains well.
And this one too.
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Basking Ridge is just up the road - I think there is some debate which house it actually is. Tremendous amount of Rev War history around these parts in central Jersey - The Betty Frezee house is around the corner - are you familiar - Great story. “Sir, I give you this bread through fear, not in love." - Aunt Betty to Gnl Cornwallis LOL
TY-I never believed the movie 'Patriot" was in any way accurate as a university
level account of actual events. Hollywood spawms bs like forever, so once again TY for keeping things real.
It’s not even kid-level. It’s one thing to tell kids fairy-stories. It’s another to pretend that the fairy-stories are true and that real people are the ogres coming to get them…
@@peterwebb8732 I agree. US 'mythology" can destroy facts , and distort
truth to obnoxious levels. They have to eat all the stuff they're served, without a factual snack, so sorry to the US folks.
No movie does. I don't even understand why this has become a thing. These days for people to sit here and and peck apart, fictional stories based in history...
They're FICTIONAL
I had read about Banastre Tarleton and loved how balanced this video is. He was a man who wasn't black or white but grey. Very well researched. It would be really helpful if you could add subtitles because a lot of people might not have English as their first language, or some might be hard of hearing.
Thank you!
That picture is incorrect, you use your sword as a dragoon or cavalry the opposite way so on contact you strike and then it follows through if you use it the way depicted you strike but with momentum of of the horse can break your wrist and you lose your sword
Which picture?
Just been reading up on him as Warlord Games sent me a free sprue of Continental Infantry in my last order…going to do a small force of both sides but base the British on Tarleton and the British Legion.
Interesting... and with most things worthy of a deeper look at the historical fact... Thanks for the history lesson...
“British campaign in the South had started promisingly, it eventually started to unravel. Another loyalist Commander Major Patrick Ferguson was killed at the Battle of Kings Mountain.”
My 6th and 7th great-grandfathers say: “Your welcome.” 😉
P.S. Excellent presentation on Banastre Tarleton. 👍
Thanks to the channel for offering the loyalist side of the American revolution. We are not taught that George Washington started the Fench and Indian war, let alone any British/loyalist success. Of course, we Yanks are currently not taught maths, physics, civics, etc...
Don't worry, British education isn't far behind.
I mean, we are taught all of those things, but our educational system is highly politicized, so our civics and history especially gets hacked up and propagandized by right-wing text book publishers.
We're not taught Math? Then what did I take in school?
@@AmericanImperium1776not taught financial literacy is more like it
@@beckybnyc322 Oh okay. Yeah, I agree.
One hand he pioneered the military tactics of total war...another; he supported slavery and voted against British abolitionism (explored in Amazing Grace film) whereas possibly cemented as a true historical villain to the end
*But you cant deny his dashing British uniform*
Admiral Nelson possibly would have voted against the abolition of slavery if he had survived Trafalgar. His vote,after defeating Napoleon,could have swung a lot of votes against abolition.
And this is why I love learning history from different people and from different countries you get a more well rounded telling. But at the end of the day Merica Fuck yeah. Lol great video thank you for an amazing video.
Most importantly he was a distant cousin of one Sir Henry Simmerson!!!
That's my style sir!
Absolutely riveting video , so it appears The Monster 👹 and Devils partner was actually a Monstrous Myth and he was a very brave and vigorous fighter and soldiers soldier …..a very mixed career as a tactical leader and probably not a great strategist…..but one hell of a soldier and leader 👏👏👍. I shall watch this video several times to get all the details out of it …as I said “ Absolutely riveting “ …..well done
Hollywood's version of Tarleton was inaccurate. As calling him a Butcher in SC is true, but how his military career was is entirely different.
As a Loyalist I'm cheering
Your what we call a horses ass
I became a fan of Jason Isaacs from his portrayal of Hook in Peter Pan. It was then that I recalled that he portrayed this character in 'The Patriot,' a complete dogshit of a movie of which I still want my five dollars back.
I still need to watch The Death of Stalin. He plays Marshall Zhukov in that in a very amusing and over the top manner. He was also in Armageddon. A somewhat decent popcorn action movie.
I have a confession, I like The Patriot. It's horribly inaccurate, but I never relied on Hollywood for history anyway.
I really enjoyed The Death Of Stalin. It`s a very funny film.
@@hugh_ghennaux Agreed. 👍🏻
@@hugh_ghennauxagreed it’s an over the top satire.
Jason Issac’s as Georgy Zhukov is fantastic and somehow has elements of what I imagined the conqueror of Berlin to be like.
There are plenty of stories of Zhukov behaving outrageously for a senior commander and Jason Issac’s portrayal fits.
‘Hands up or I’ll shoot you in the fu*king face’ lol
Enen in the early 1960's Disney had a television show called the Swamp Fox which perpetually pitted Francis Marion against the evil sadist Ban Tarleton who was shown riding about South Carolina forever burning, flogging, and killing his way to glory and eternal damnation.
I recently subscribed. I teach US history in the Chicago Public Schools and am currently teaching the American Revolution. I like your perspective on the Loyalist/Patriot sides during this Revolution/civil war within Great Britain's Empire at the time.
Thanks a lot - I hope your students will enjoy a different perspective.
Brilliant video again keep it up mate.
Thanks mate
I live in South Carolina near Cowpens and was always an admirer of his. I'm glad there are videos like this to correct the negative myths about him.
tyvm for another interesting upload
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Has an American, I love the movie, but I refuse to believe any British officer would have givin an order to burn a church with people in it.
I gave this a "thumbs up," then dark visions of the Blacks n' Tans reappeared. Who knows with that bunch!
Tarleton may not have been the devil incarnate, but it warms my heart that two generations of my diret ancestors were at Cow Pens and were responsible for defeating the cocky little braggert. I like to think they witnessed his back side disappearing as he rode hell for leather to get out of there and save hsi own hide, leaving behind almost his entire force killed, wounded or captured. Our host can pick his own heros but I think there are better candidates.
My 5th great grandfather actually got captured by Tarleton at the battle of fishing creek. I was amazed by that considering I do revolutionary war reenactments.
Excellent narrative. All accounts describe him as a hell for leather cavalry officer.
Brilliant Chris, loved it
Thanks mate
This is a great video!
I didn't have a problem with him until I found out that he was abusing his house elf.
Pronounced "Tarl-ton." Good to see an episode of Americans fighting Americans. JOlly good to learn that a Captain Corbett ws in the 17thy Light Dragoons. Thanks to Parkinson Pasha.
Visited his tomb in a sleepy Herefordshire church about 5 years ago. My own ancestor was wounded at Bunker Hill - Captain Francis Marsden. Died of his wounds in 1780, aged 27.
Francis Marion, upon which Benjamin Martin (Mel Gibson) was partly based, was probably less heroic than his screen portrayals suggest.
Awesome! I have had a cathartic revelation about the fellow 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👌🏻
Painting this guy like a hero is wild
Gad to hear the other side of this. Thanx!
Pretty cool i lived about 15mins from both of his battles in south carolina. Camden and Cowpens
Thank you Chris for the excellent review of this historic character that came to light because of Hollywood….I had no idea it was areal character until today. Loving Historic pearls like this one.
I was first introduced to the character of Tarleton in "The Swamp Fox", a series of eight episodes on Walt Disney Presents back in 1959-1960. He was not portrayed nearly as dastardly as Jason Isaac's villainous version.
I wrote a paper on Cornwallis campaign in the South while in my Officer Basic Course in the Army. I discovered that his victories evaporated as he moved on. If I recall correctly, he would leave loyalists in charge of conquered cities and territories who would then brutalize and seize the property of the known Patriots. It had the effect of turning more people against the crown and make it harder for the loyalists to recruit the locals into their units. And often they would also in turn overthrow the loyalists Cornwallis had left in charge.
had an ancestor murdered by him. his son, also at the battle, escaped to finally settle in the ohio valley
This is something. Fascinating to this came after watching The Patriot. Looked him after watching the film. He's nowhere near like the film version. He's nothing like that. I looked at him like he's Dennis Rodman. Partygoer, womanizer. Worth watching.
He is also depicted in Amazing Grace (2007), played by Ciaran Hinds. Great soldier but a complete bustard.
YES, but that film 'Plays to the gallery ' ie American audiences.
Could Tarleton fire 3 rounds a minute?
I just can’t get over the picture behind you that misspells Zulu.
It's not mispelled in France. . .
Very Good Documentary 🎉
The 1st dragoon guards was a welsh regiment
Basically in any serious counter insurgeny or COIN you have to fight fire with fire. Units that do so successfully such as Tarleton's Legion, The Natal Carbineers, The Irish Auxillaries or the The Sealous Scouts are inevitably defamed by their opponents.
I bet he was a great guy , I saw how in TURN they (the Americans) vilified John Graves Simcoe , where in Canada we loved him we name all kinds of things after him counties, cities, lakes, schools, malls, streets etc
May God Save the King and Confound His revolting subjects . . .
And, especially, frustrate their knavish tricks! 🇬🇧
Really? King George was pretty revolting himself.
@@kentmitchell1510 Back up your words Sir. Let us meet at dawn. No 'truer' words ever said, 'Miss Marple' .
proud to be a tory!!! 🇨🇦🇬🇧
I have only ever been in one cinema where you could cut the atmosphere with a knife because of the audiences' hostility, The Patriot, 2000, High St Kensington.
Mel Gibson omitted in “The Patriot” that the colonists wore wode on their faces, which matched their blue uniforms, and that Piers Gaveston was a key advisor to Bloody Ban.
Another British officer from this time period that Hollywood turned into a "villain" in the TV series "Turn: Washington's Spies," was John Simcoe. He was also portrayed as a psychopath. But unlike Tarleton, Simcoe became an outspoken abolitionist.
great video, did he progress through the ranks via purchase? as you mentioned he went from cornet to lieutenant-colonel a big leap! :)
Tarleton was promoted to captain in the 79th Regiment of Foot when that corps was raised. His rank of lieutenant colonel in 1778 was Provincial, not British. Tarleton was later breveted to British rank of major, then lieutenant colonel. When the British Legion cavalry became a regular regiment of the British Army on 25 December 1782, he had real British rank as lieutenant colonel. Thomas Pattinson was a cornet in the 17th Light Dragoons less than a year when he was promoted to lieutenant colonel of the Prince of Wales American Volunteers, although the British and the regiment would definitely regret that move.
Most Americans would not “Boo” him until the movie, because most Americans had never heard of him until then
I enjoyed this podcast. I live about 25 minutes from Guilford Court House where the battle took place. It's a second home for me. If you're ever in Greensboro, NC please stop by there for a visit and tour.
I once did get to your hometown and watched the Greensboro Drive baseball team! Sadly it was before I was interested in the AWI!
We used to take our students to Guilford Court House to watch the battle reenactment on New Garden Road. I think Guilford Court House and the Tank Museum in Danville, VA were their favorite field trips.
What's the song at the end called?
Thank you very much for providing balance and real history. The American Revolution was indeed a civil war.
It’s important (in my opinion) for everyone to understand, the fighting in the Carolinas and Georgia was fiercely bloody and partisan in nature. Honestly it kinda was like it’s own separate civil war alongside the revolution.
Certainly the Patriot was heavily dramatized and Colonel Tavington as portrayed by Jason Isaacs was just a perfect dramatized character for that actor considering some of the other roles he has played over the years such as Captain Gabriel Lorca.
I'm a Yank and I've always had a soft spot for General Tarleton. He was an effective soldier and a loyal Englishman.
In another time, Tarleton travelled to another universe to impersonate a starship captain of the USS Discovery - Captain Lorca.