Testing the Tesla CCS Adaptor on CCS Chargers around Town
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2022
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I used mine about 8 times this week on a long trip. We charged mainly at Electrify America and it was cheaper than Tesla at .31 with a $4 monthly membership. The small pin on the adapter locks the button on the ccs plug from being depressed. The u shaped foam piece that comes with the case slides between the adapter and the car for added support. Before ordering make sure your tesla is ccs compliant in your tesla info. I'm very happy I bought it.
Very helpful as I prepare for my first 2500 mile road trip. I bought the CCS charger in anticipation of a lot of road trips off the beaten path from Tesla chargers.
boy after watching this excellent review I am so glad I bought a Tesla…what a hassle
As usual your video is great!
Straightforward
Simple (without any dumbing down for a none expert)
Precise
A lot of content that was presented in an easily assimilated fashion
Also bought mine in Korea. Ordered through my account and had it shipped to a family member. Had a friend bring it over to the States. What's nice is that some malls with Volta chargers offer free charging.
Thanks for the experiment Dave. Looks like there's Tesla and everyone else.
My experience with rapid charging goes back three years now, travelling cross-country in a Tesla towing a small trailer, which severely limited range. Particularly in the Southwest, the Superchargers were barely spaced close enough to meet our needs. I kept tabs on third-party charging locations even though I would only be able to use Level 2 if I needed to. I found no location where an unusually large gap in Tesla superchargers existed where a third-party charger would help bridge the gap.
The situation could have clearly changed in the ensuing years but I think it more likely that Tesla would have closed the gaps rather than third-party rapid chargers. I would encourage anyone interested in the backup of CCS to evaluate available locations in their planned areas of travel to determine if the backup has value to them.
That said, I appreciate that effort is being made to provide the alternative and truly appreciate this channel for evaluating its performance. It has earned my subscription.
Well put
Just a thought: I don’t see the CCS alternative as “closing the gaps” in the Supercharger network, but rather as redundancy for when an expected Supercharger has a long waiting queue- which is becoming more problematic every day.
@@carsonassociates3263 Not a bad thought, as long as accurate information is available about CCS charger status and availability. The number of stations at most Tesla locations keeps the turnover rate pretty high.
A+ for the video; C- for the experience. I wish you had mentioned, for those not aware, before they rush out, this adapter does not work on all Teslas. (My 2021 M3P indicates CCS Adaptor Support: Not Installed, requiring a hardware mod to the ECU before I could use it) As always, enjoy your videos.
Glad you had the locking issue. I am not sure I would have figured it out. Thx
"We're ready for insertion... nice and straight." Haha, that made me smile.
Dave, thank you for your very informative videos.
Tesla has set a very high benchmark with the Superchargers.
And they are so simple to use, we are spoiled.
I will probably get the CCS Adapter for my Model Y to have as an emergency backup, but dread having to use it at an Electrify America station.
CCS1 has a long way to go and really should have just been abandoned for Tesla's connector when it was early enough to do it, but industry sentiment with Tesla was different during the adoption of high speed charging. Great to have the option to use CCS1 in today's climate, but Tesla is many years ahead of everyone else in terms of development and reliability,
Thank you very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Well done young Man
Awesome seeing a local upstate South Carolinian testing out electric vehicles. I’ve seen the EA station at Sam’s many many times. I hope to join the EV Club in the near future. Would love to get a Model Y.
Very helpful. I continue to hear about Electrify America problems. I'd be nervous to do a long road trip in something other than a Tesla...for now.
Here in Idaho we use our adapter on a regular basis for road trips. It can cut a few hours out of a road trip from Nevada to Boise. I also have a frunk full of six other adapters “just in case”. May sound odd but I sort of enjoy the slight challenge going distant places where supercharging network is a bit thin.
Luke, I’ve got a bunch of adaptor also you never know what your going to run into, good luck
Thanks Dave for the video. You never showed us what the monkey does….. On the edge of my seat!
love this...just 2 old dudes trying to figure it out on the fly
It’s called instructional education
Great video, Dave. Where did you get the Tesla t-shirt you were wearing at the beginning?
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This makes me miss the good old days when I used to test CCS adapters on my Tesla :(
Brian this one works very well so far
$300 for CCS adaptors! Good thing Tesla just finished building Superchargers in Boone NC. My last trip was a pain, had to sit the Model 3 at house plug to regular outlet all weekend. The rental house didn't have EV charging setup. lol
Thanks for the informative video. A great advert for the Tesla Supercharger network! I'll stick with that. EVGo may have passed, but with a C-. That Duke Energy thing gets an F.
Nice
Hopefully you get to test the adapter out on a DC Fast charger (350 kw). Curious the numbers you will see. Thank you for the video.
Just bought my CSS Combo 1 off the Tesla site today. $275 including tax. Going to do some local tests in the next few days. Have a 3 and a Y.
Good video and great Experiment… Save your $230, that’s 547KWh of charging at current rate of $0.42/KW at a Tesla Supercharger that primes the battery ahead of time!
If you try to unplug that original adapter while it is still plugged into the car, the charging port looks like it could be damaged. Great info. I still use the rope light insert around the charge port on my Bolt. The one you demonstrated in one of your videos.
When you press the button in the CCS plug it stops charging
Where did you buy the adaptor? Thanks for the excellent video.
www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
In the UK, our Teslas have CCS sockets, as the CCS plug is universal, I can see all Teslas eventually having them.
Steve here in North America The Tesla NA connector is standard on all cars. The CCS and CCS type 2 you guys use is about 5-6 times larger than the Tesla NA connector.
@@evdave528 the EU CCS Plug is the best way looks better size is fine and it enables Plug and Charge before that tesla just raped the Typ 2 connector over its rated maximum
How refreshing to see you not do the stupid action of banging on the tail light before charging.
Hey Dave, can you share what that app was on your phone which showed the various charging options on the map? I'm also interested in where you bought the CCS adapter. Thanks! Keep up the great work!
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Bought it here. www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
@@evdave528 - Their website says: SOLD OUT must be popular.
I could see these would be valuable to California Tesla owners who normally see crazy long lines at Tesla Superchargers. They could skip the line at those and head to a CCS charger instead.
Dave, what was the name of the company and/or website you bought the connector from? Also, what was the cost. There are still places you can’t get to and back from in the U.S. using Superchargers, and level 2 chargers are just too slow to be practical. Another great video!!!
Hi William, I ordered mine here, fast delivery from Korea. www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
24:47 um ... you always hit stop and then pull it out. That's how I charge my Bolt EV (ugh) at DCFCs.
The Duke charger said free parking, not free charging.
I’ve used my CCS adapter on a local EA station and achieved 188kW which is awesome. Unfortunately now that EA station also no longer works. CCS chargers are very unreliable.
I think the charger manufacturers designed them poorly. Most of the Francis BTCPower chargers near me have faulty liquid cooling which makes them run at 50kW instead of the 150-200kW they advertise.
And these 3rd party Charge Stations are quite often if not completely independently owned, so they are unreliable.
CCS is a dog's breakfast compared to Tesla. Broken equipment. Few stations. Small stations. Different processes. Low power. I hope my Aptera gets a Tesla plug, with Tesla network permission.
I ordered mine in June when it was a straight CC transaction and shipped directly to my house with the neat case, and have used it twice I pulled a MAX of 194 kWh from a 350 kWh EA station at 27% SOC. About the same as a V3 SuperCharger. It's nice to have this charging option, but my first choice will always be a SuperCharger. On my tests, 2 of the 4 stalls at my local EA station were NOT WORKING. That's 50%. I have NEVER experienced that poor availability on any SCer.
Yeah, nonTesla 3rd party charge stations are unreliable and maintained poorly.
Gasoline delivery nozzles can require a little muscle to deal with too.. Especially the ones with vapor reducing systems. My girlfriend sometimes struggles to get them to deliver fuel continuously.
I agree that none of the systems should require much physical strength to use them. I’ve always wondered why they don’t have robotic arms to deploy them automatically.
@@coastalcruiser4317only in the US. In Europe we don’t have these problems
Dave, you have what looks like a towel on the front dash, do you find it useful, where did it come from?
It’s velvet to keep light reflections off the window for video
I think I saw somewhere that the CCS handle button is disabled by that skinny stick at the top of the adapter. When you plug it in to the car it pushes in a little and locks the button
Correct
A little bit of WD40 spray on the CCS connector end of the adapter makes this process of adapter off-and-on go smooth.
I think I would favor a silicone spray over a petroleum based spray that contains weirdo solvents but I understand your point thanks
Lol what a great experience. CCS is the true king of charging. No really Tesla connectors should be the standard. There is no reason CCS should even exist, there are no benefits to it. Very glad my wife decided to go with Tesla for her next car.
Good choice a Tesla has way more advantages than the charging connector and Supercharger network
The content of the video is helpful but it should have been about 20% of the time it took and certainly we shouldn't have been subjected to such a long unpacking and a failed location. However it was worth the watch. Thank you.
If I am not mistaken… that is a real Tesla brand adapter.. it is not sold in the US that is why it must come from Korea..
Looks like CCS equipped EV owners can add "release anxiety" to their range anxiety. Super Charger network - there's nothing like it!
I actually said Hi Greg.
For all Tesla’s faults the supercharger network isn’t one of them.
It just works.
I can understand why they are being opened to other cars, but if this begins to impact Tesla owners it is going to make competitors rich.
Only stop at a non-Tesla supercharger as a last resort. Luckily the Tesla Supercharger network is so vast I have not had to worry about it but am prepared with adapters should the need arise.
Exactly, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
I'm not sure if you mentioned. But I am pretty sure CCS is only available on newer Teslas. I think they changed the CP ECU in 2019ish and up, depending on S/X or 3
ua-cam.com/video/XH22SfePBho/v-deo.html
Actually 2021 and up. Here's how to upgrade older cars
The cars software has to support the adaptor, check on the screw under settings but I think it should be supported now in all models
Dave, thanks for wonderful test. Please tell us how to order one. The only reason to get one is for areas without a Tesla supercharger. Tesla connector should be the standard in USA. I blame Electrify America for those dead chargers. Out of service EA chargers are much more common than out of service Tesla chargers.
John I ordered it from these guys. www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
Thanks, Dave. Out of stock now but they will notify subscribers when stock comes in.
I noticed that your charge limit was set to 80% when on the Tesla charger and then it was set to 85% on the EVGO. I know that impacts time to charge, will it impact amount of kw for your experiment?
I only charged a few KWh for a test, the charge limit is irrelevant for my test
Where did you get this adapter Dave?
www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
Wonder if it would work better if you plugged the adapter into the car first then the CCS into the adaptor. Then unplug the the CCS from the adapter leaving the adaptor still plugged in. That way you wouldn’t forget and leave the adapter behind either.
You can't plug the Tesla CCS adapter into the car first. The adapter is entirely passive. There are no electronics inside. The reason you can't plug it into the car first is physical: you see that little pin sticking out of the adapter? That's a latch lock. It slides over the latch of the CCS handle and locks it from being pressed. If you plug it into the car first, you block the CCS plug from being inserted. So, there you go.
Does it take two people to remove the adapter? Will an older/ weaker person be able to do it?
They definitely should've shown his friend take it off by himself. Looks a bit crazy. Plus, 30 minutes stop for +7% to battery state. Yeesh. Trial and tribulation.
I been having issues using the adaptor with the Evgo. Almost always limited far below the chargers charge rate.
I saw the same
That's because kW is not a realistic measurement -- it's a result of amps*volts. Cables and stations are amp-limited, not kW-limited. You'd probably find that the EVgo station here is limited to 100 or 125 amps (looks more likely 100 amp). Thus, you end up with 34kW or so: 340 volts * 100 amps = 34000 watts. The car uses 4 (RWD) to 8 (dual motor) kW to heat the battery any time you're DC charging, which is massively wasteful - but that's what you see in the discrepancy between station and car.
That particular EVgo station is terrible - but if you go to a "350kW" EA or EVgo station, you can expect to get 180-194kW there.
I was all excited about this, and am glad to have it but my girlfriend can't handle the CCS cables, much less the adapter.
CCS sucks.
Correct
Imagine your wives attempting to plug in with those heavy cables and trying to detach the adapter. Geez, someone with knowledge and power needs a heads up here, CCS is a mess.
Yep, that CCS aka “franken-plug” is also terrible from the implementation point of view, they are pricey and need proprietary PLC communication while Tesla uses auto industry standard CAN bus for the car to charger comms, CCS costs like $50000 or more per station. Tesla should have been the standard, CCS even looks like it was designed to discourage EV adoption.
@@bilymotyl7704 I think it was. Big auto wanted something other than Tesla or chademo to add complexity
I’m a wife and I do this everyday. Lol.
What's the need for a so big connector on CCS, the Tesla connector is so much simpler.
CCS started as a Japanese connector J1772 and they needed to add DC to it so they added to DC pins and left the other connector on it that’s what it grew it to be monstroac and size
OMG what a hassle opening the box
Could you have unlocked the charge port with your Tesla app?
Yes
Hi EV Dave, curious, but I get ads when I watch your videos. What's up? You announce always ad free. UA-cam is "not listening."
I don’t monetize so any ads are being inserted due to your account, don’t know why
@@evdave528 I suspect that if you don't monetize, UA-cam puts the ads in there anyway, and keeps all the revenue themselves rather than share it.
how to buy it from Korea ? Please tell me ! I need one also ! and how much ! Thank you !
www.harum.io/products/tesla-ccs-combo-1-adapter-chademo-adapter
From the specs of this adapter it looks like it will handle 150 kw but not 350 kw which Electrify America has 2 of in quite a few places.
I don’t think there’s any car in existence that takes over 270 KW at this point in time so I don’t know about that but whatever
How do find out if your Tesla supports ccs charging?
They do if you have a CCS adapter since North American Teslas do not take CCS directly they have their own style connector
Was torn between ordering a KIA EV6 GT-LINE AWD or a Tesla Model Y long range. This video is the last straw. Regardless of how nice the EV6 appears, even with the growth in the non Tesla US charging network, it is clear to me that anyone wishing to use their EV for occasional long distance travel CAN NOT rely on non-Tesla charging networks. There are just too many, out of order, faulted, no power, network error messages coming from these systems. Many are also of the 50 KWh variety meaning charging sessions are going to take an hour rather than 20 or 30 minutes. The ONLY reliable charging network in operation in the US, now the UK, Europe and China is the Tesla system. Amazing how these other charging systems have had years to prepare and when they get chargers up and running they still cannot even maintain them. Of course, if you do not plan more than one or two long trips a year, and can charge at home, then, by all means, consider an alternative to Tesla, but otherwise the support system is just NOT there. IMHO
Tesla is the better choice for other features in addition to the charging network. Great choice!!
I just ordered a ccs adapter made by a Canadian company. I'm curious to see how well it works. It's good to have an alternative in an emergency.
Shannon let me know how it goes, beware if it’s not working reliably return it
@@evdave528 will do for sure. So far everyone that has purchased that I've spoken to has been happy.
@@evdave528 got it 2 days ago. Test charges at ivy and petrocanada... Petro can speeds dropped right down to 30 kw (150 kw charging station) . Ivy it held at 48 kw (50kw charging station) . I do think it's a petro can issue not an issue with the adapter.
I keep hearing how great the Super Charger network is, but I have seen more and more people charging their Teslas at Electrify America, which as we know has enough problems without Teslas taking up the few working stalls. I expect a similar response from most Tesla owners if Elon ever opens up the Super Chargers to my Ioniq 5.I would prefer to keep the two systems separate at least until the CCS infrastructure in more built out.
Keeping Teslas a non-tesla split will always result in less overall availability/capacity. But you are right, Tesla needs to open up to non-Tesla’s for max availability to be reached.
@@barrybmw6101 opening up the Super Chargers is going to have serious ramifications for Tesla owners since all Tesla's have the charge port in the left rear fender. My Ioniq 5 has the charge port in the right rear fender. With the current cable length on a super charger, I would have to park in the stall to the left of the charger and block two spots. A Mach E or Taycan would have to parallel park if front of the chargers door the cable to reach. Tesla has work to do to open up the chargers. This would open up some charging voids for CCS owners. I think CCS chargers are going to explode due to the federal support for charging infrastructure and if Elon want's to get some of that action he has to open up the Super Chargers. Elon often decides Tesla doesn't need cash with strings so who knows what Tesla will do.
@@evatrics5902Tesla will think this through before deciding on an implementation plan. I think they will install a 2nd cable per stall that is longer and thus can reach charge ports on the other side of the car. I do not think they will use the current Tesla cable and connector with an adapter for CCS. Now, look at the Audi E-Tron and the front side location, the cable needs to be long enough for that odd/non-optimal charging port location. As for the extra traffic, non-Teslas are still low in numbers at the moment so it will give time for Tesla to install more charging stalls at each location based on the usage statistics they see.
@@barrybmw6101 they didn't have this solved in Europe...
@@TedKidd maybe they took the easy way out in Europe because it is a CCS connector for both Tesla and non-Tesla and therefore no need to install a second cable and it was quicker to get started with the non-Tesla usage experiment
So, it appears that the button on the CCS charger port is ONLY physical lock to the car (or adapter is using one). The Tesla is both and electrical and physical.
The charge handle disabled the disconnect latch when charging
The button is both a physical lock and a signal to the car. The adapter locks the latch/button though. It is NOT the correct way to stop charging on CCS. There is a switch on the button that serves as an emergency-stop if someone (as in this video) tries to force the button and bend it past the lock, triggering the button and forcing an emergency stop from both the car's side and the station side. If you pay attention to the alerts in the car, it'll also chide you for doing this.
So no, the lock button on the CCS handle is both physical and electrical as well - just like Tesla's. You're just not supposed to stop charging that way.
Nah! That is why I orded my Tesla model 3 LR. (Coming next month I hope.) I still don't understand why anyone buys any other EV especially some of them costing more than a Tesla . My advice to anyone buying an EV, Do not spend more than $40,000 and charge at home and use the car for short trips. I tested the Bolt and I liked it for the price. Specially with the the new tax incentive. GM will also install free a charge connector on your garage. it will be a great deal . I unfortunately will not qualify .As it stands of now the tax incentive cut off is $55.000. I missed it by $990. Bummer! PS save your money by not buying the adapter.
Chevy Bolt is DANGEROUS.
GM is the only company to use the FIREPRONE Pouch Batteries. No other EV uses them.
Munro Engineering says avoid GM like a plague.
Sandy Munro says Ford has a very reliable system and safe design, but range is too low.
He also says Kia and VW have good designs.
@@417ah7 Nissan Leaf plus has a great safety profile. In the PNW it’s been a perfect around town car. Subaru for road trips.
This is EXACTLY what is wrong with charging at non-Tesla chargers. Cell phone networks used to be that way you had to have an "account" on every network. They came up with roaming so folks could travel with their phone. Charging should be the same way. If your car has one account all other networks should let you plug-n-charge at any network without delay. It doesn't matter how fast cars can charge if you spend the first half hour trying to figure out how to pay.
Just another reason to make sure you choose the charging network before choosing the model of car you want
@@evdave528 Choosing a single network doesn't work because they don't cover everywhere. Same EXACT problem cell phone networks had in the early days.
An additional comment. It seems clear from this video despite what people say the infrastructure for charging non Tesla EVs just is not there
Once it is though the true advantage of owning a Tesla and having access to their super charging network will be gone. Then other EVs will really take off leaving Tesla behind.
"Then other EVs will really take off leaving Tesla behind." Who do you see bypassing Tesla? I don't see any manufacturers capable of, 1. acquiring the batteries needed to produce more cars than Tesla. 2. Being able to produce EV's profitably, especially at the margin Tesla can, thanks to manufacturing techniques like gigacastings. Legacy auto is drowning in debt. Look at their Altman Z-score compared to Tesla's. 3. Legacy auto is *terrible* at software. With EV, software is crucial. Can you see Ford, GM or VW anytime soon being able to offer OTA updates like Tesla does that makes the car SO much better than when first purchased? Side thought: where is Toyota? The legacy's biggest threat is EV's from China. Tesla is Apple and all the other EV makers are Android.
You also make the mistake of not understanding the TAM for EV's. Other car makers making EV's are not Tesla's competition. Gas cars are Tesla's competition. My fear is legacy auto is so inept that cannot make enough EV's for the population that will not buy a Tesla for any number of reasons, and slowing down the EV transition.
The last thing you don't understand is AutoPilot and FSD. They are game changers that legacy will never be able to match.
Rivian and Lucid have a long way to go just to survive and become relevant.
Looking forward to understanding you thesis.
Wait what??? I thought they’d converted to CCS already.. like all new Tesla’s in North America were CCS ?…. Didn’t they put the dual cable thing on all their superchargers in North America yet like they did in Europe/Australia ?
North America is still the North American plug the Europeans however have all of the CCS combo twos and I may be you’re thinking of that
No dual cable Superchargers in the US yet. Not even like, "not all of them", but literally not a single Supercharger in the US has a CCS cable yet. I've been watching and waiting 😄
OK, admit it, maybe you would have had better luck if you had started with a Scottish breakfast 😉.
Exactly!!!!
I kind of did some quick math. Cost $0.14/kwh at home, and I think it is $0.64/kwh at that 50kw charger. Yikes!
I can understand maybe $0.28 or 0.30 so the charger owner can make some $$$, but this is ridiculous!!!
I charge at home for $0.093 per kWh off grid or free when the Sun is out using my solar. Supercharger it’s cheaper in most places
Wonder why Tesla chose to update none CCS S and X module in Korea to be compatible with CCS and not here in the States.
Adapters Convert Tesla's wired carplay to wireless carplay
Are you willing to try the test?
The internal navigation is integrated with the car to provide seamless charging and navigation. CarPlay is less capable and I can’t use my phone for my videos at the same time
Thank god Tesla didn't switch over to CCS when that became a standard. Dealing with those giant plugs is so unnecessary. Tesla made everything so easy. It would have made too much sense to make Tesla's plug the standard.
No wonder everyone is buying Teslas!
I wasn’t impressed, Tesla chargers are much better. Electrify America failed completely.
23:30 You are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO push that button while it's locked to the car! That's the point of the latch lock that Tesla implemented with the spring pin on the adapter. You're just bending the latch when you're trying to push the lock button 😖😖😖 Don't do that! I cringed SO hard I had to stop the video there when you said "maybe I have to push harder" 😖😖😖
All EV manufacturers (30% share) in US should embrace Tesla charging port and suck it up for the sake of customers happiness. These other chargers are pathethic.
In my opinion legacy auto did not want to go with Tesla even though Elon had offered that this would be one less thing they would not want because that would make them sell electric cars
Tesla Superchargers ARE THE FUTURE of EV charging. Whoever says otherwise (yes politicians I'm talking mostly to you) have no common sense. Just looking at the size of the plug gives you some good idea of who is in the future and who is in the past. And speed? No much to say, Tesla is also way in the future. And by the time all others get to be at the current level Tesla is now, Tesla will be way more advanced. Stop the stupidity, and make it federal already, the entire country should make Tesla superchargers the standard. And the rest of the world should also do the same (hint hint EU). Just go on a road trip and stop at EV charging areas, you will see the Tesla superchargers packed, and nobody on the rest. Even if there is a line of Teslas waiting, we will not go and use a different charging station. It just doesn't make sense. I just saw it with my own eyes this past weekend, I had to wait for about 15 minutes in line to get to a supercharger in the Turnpike, there were about 6 regular chargers available too... none of them in use. The line of Teslas was exclusively for the Tesla superchargers. Cheers
I live the style and content, but not the pace, sorry. The first 7 minutes could be 'cut' to 30 seconds and I would have learned the same...
That’s a kin to skim reading a book you get the general overall topic but missed the details but I get you
You took about 6 minutes too many just to open the box. You need to learn to edit that down to about 30 seconds or so.
Come on Greg patience is a virtue you know
What animal is so racist? Lol