Kirkstone pass, Cumbria For those that doubt this is a military helicopter it has been identified as Dauphin as per this link www.eliteukforces.info/air-sup...
@@DavidKnowles0 FFS GAV, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, TIME ON TARGET WAS TO BE 16:30:00 +- 5secs SO NO. 16:30:15 IS RIGHT OUT THERE WILL BE NO MORE FOOCKING SLACKING AWF , YOU WILL FOOKING REPEAT TILL YOU FOOKING GET IT RIGHT
Wearing a pristine safety helmet and a suspiciously clean high-visibility vest. Health and safety advisers (in their own minds) making sure that the workplace is a safe place to be. Just ask an electrician what they think about overly zealous health and safety inspectors!
It's also called on the edge of a crash. This environment led to the death of Kobe bryant. Unless the pilot is IFR rated and proficient. But if he was, he wouldn't be 20 ft off of the road.
I had a dear old friend that learned to fly after WW2 when he was working at an airport in Leavenworth, KS. He said if he ever got misdirected he would drop low enough so he could see the road signs and find his way back that way.
It`s the correct type and colour scheme for " Blue Thunder " as they are known. Operated by 658 Squadron AAC as part of the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing (JSFAW). All in public domain so don`t shoot the messenger, ta very much.
@@iicustodianlaw I don`t think so, as far as I can tell it`s operated by the AAC. I would expect the CTSFO to have their own equipment and be operated by Police Pilots.
@@RW-vt8up *Blue Thunder* was also a series/fleet of Cigarette boats built for the US DEA to run the Florida Straits... chasing down smugglers driving... Cigarette boats with slightly smaller engines, lol. #AdvantageGov
“Fancy a pint Skipper? B Squadron are off to the Cat and Fiddle, its Darts Night!” “Oh rather, madness not to really!” “I’ll drive Sir, I know the road!”
I was on Salisbury Plane once doing an exercise in the dead of night and we got jumped by a Lynx, it was on us before we heard a thing, similar experience with a Chinook.
Thick fog will do that, it masks the sound due to its density. I don't know if the SAS have quieter versions too though like the American Black ops ones (or are they a myth?)
@ter_DE not only that. I am a citizen of a country who recently changed their helicopters from Mi-17 to Blackhawks. I am living on a hill with a nice view to all sides. Mi-17 were heard long before they passed overhead my house (maybe around 30 seconds). On the other hand, you are unable to hear the Blackhawks until they are maybe 2 seconds from you. Western technology is way ahead in this regard.
I've seen this happen with north sea helicopter pilots . They get lost and come down low to look at Road signs. Where I stay I often see them following roads to get to the heliport.
Back in the days of exploring the Overthrust Belt in the Rockies pre gps looking at road signs was a required skill. Flew all over Montana, Utah and Wyoming that way. Not just in bad weather either. Smart pilots kept a road atlas in the cockpit.
@@jakobsen7239 where I live on the coast in Scotland Im on the helicopter flight path . I often see helicopters that have got lost. I used to work on oil rigs. The pilots fly by using land Marks.
Did this in the fog, followed through Road to RAF Macrihanish, and the went over the hangers to the airfield apron. Nobody picked us up for it. RAF Puma about 1979
Looks like you’re heading down Kirkstone pass towards Ullswater in the Lake District. Perhaps the chopper was heading up the valley following the road due to the bad visibility?
Have seen them lower in clear conditions, looked down on 2 out of 3 Pumas in a 20 foot deep dip between us and the neighbors. 3rd was level with me all in close formation, those special forces pilots are something else, they used to have one in the colors of the National grid one
That whirly is certainly what they use, there is also a Cumbrian businessman that commutes to the Nederlands daily with a Mk1 Dauphin in the same attire but that was a Mk2 and flown by D658 Squadron who are based at Credenhill Hereford, otherwise known as Blue Thunder. The have a very low acoustic signature until they are rite on top of you.
The mans name is Brian Scowcroft, he is a friend of my dad's, he used to live down Winster which is about 7 miles south of this location, but now lives mainly in Switzerland. He must of had that chopper 20+ years now, really nice guy
That is very interesting to say the least. The proximity of the rising hill to one side and not to mention the proximity of the ground... it is very surprising to see this helicopter flying in virtually zero visibility. Being under IMC conditions, it is surely not safe to be this close to obstacles. One pole, high sign or mast in the wrong place and it is going to end badly. Great video though... and for once, the description was not clickbait! 🤣
Stunning capture! May I feature this low passing helicopter in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
In weather and visibilty like that I expect it's standard to let down into a valley very slowly and find a road then follow it knowing it's not going to end in a cliff face, keep an eye out for tunnels though!
@@krashd Definitely but unlike a fixed wing you can actually be ready to stop, either way it must be very mind concentrating to fly low in weather like that, I used to be in the army and got to fly around in choppers quite a lot and the pilots never ceased to amaze me, I never told them though.
Not normally they were probably on an exercise, if they were simply traveling the normal procedure for fog is to climb until you are above it or above any possible local terrain and then fly normally or by instrument. I mean the tallest mountain in Scotland is less then 1500m and they have a ceiling of 4500m.
@@S-North I didn't say it would. If you had bothered to read and comprehend my post properly, I was not suggesting GPS was the solution to prevent them flying into a hill, I said it was used for navigation. I indicated that flying low within site of the ground was the means to flying into a hill or ground.
@@S-North I don't need to agree with you as I already stated what they were were most likely doing. I would be agreeing with myself! You seem desperate to try to prove that you were right when in fact I had already stated the reality and you had not read my post properly. It is you that needs to wind your neck in. The error was yours, not mine. Take responsibility for it.
That poor pilot, he's crapping his pants right now due to how close to death he is, and he knows it. Having been a military helicopter pilot for 28 years, this is what I believe he's doing. He got caught out in the countryside with very bad weather. So he slowed down and came down. Which is instinct and sort of natural reaction although it causes a lot of fatalities doing this. Now he's trapped with next to no visibility looking for a place to land. It is EXTREMELY disorienting flying in fog close to the ground in un-even terrain. Telling what direction is up is difficult. Even more difficult is trying to stay level. I hope he made it out ok. Honestly, he should have committed to IMC and taken his lumps when he got home. It would have been far safer.
@@soupfork2105 Thats exactly what he should have done or was currently trying to do. I didn't go into much detail but in low visibility sometimes having a distinct terrain feature, like a road for example helps keep you oriented. From what I could tell, left and right of the road, there was no place to land. Tail Rotors a lot of times a fairly close to the ground so landing in tall vegetation can be very dangerous as well. I have been in several situations where you're flying to point "x" and you realize you cant get there. You go and turn around and it's now bad behind you and getting worse everywhere. I don't know any of the details of this flight, I am just speculating based on my experiences.
You were a pilot for 28 years and you think he was flying through fog for a reversionary means of nav. Unless this was authorised and recce'd for training (Dauphins fly special forces), he 100% should have done inadvertent IMC and done a rocket launch to safety altitude in a smart direction.
Cool. I always wondered what that must look like to people driving on the road. We’ve done that a couple times. Dropping out of the fog near intersections.
Small helicopters are terrible in IMC, that pilot is maintaining visual reference with the ground while searching desperately for a safe place to land and wait it out.
Most likely coming down looking for a place to land to wait out the weather. As a helicopter in the US Army, a lot of our SOPs dictate that if the weather condition deteriorate to conditions like these that we MUST land in a safe area and wait it out. I'm not sure about these helicopters, but the ones I fly, AH-64Ds, are not IFR certified and are not even to fly in IFR conditions legally. However, even if this helicopter is IFR flight capable, they might not have been on an IFR flight or ready for the conditions and so deciding to land would be the safer option.
Don't know what's worse. The pilot flying way to low in obvious IFR conditions (didn't look like they could take off or land anywhere near there) or you stopping like that in the middle of the road in those conditions. It's like you want to be rear-ended.
no tail number, plus very unlikely a civvie heli would fly in fog also needs eyes to ground, pretty unlikely Army would either hence why he uses road as nav aid. plus its a Eurocopter Dauphin which SAS/AAC use.
They also use the same platform for checking power lines and gas pipe runs etc.. The regiment deploy these for faster movement between places, i.e. cities.. Combat exercises and ops require the use of the usual ‘green’ kit, I.e chinooks, Merlin’s etc. unless it was on the outskirts of Hereford than it was highly likely a civvy heli..
Love how your in a Leaf! EVs ftw!
Cuckold
Harry I mean, yes... but there’s no need for that.
@@Harry-cj6bx Moron.
EVs are 💩
@@aiden7511 lol troll
Few miles up the road there’ll be a bloke in gortex holding a clipboard looking unimpressed
This right here, this is why the universe exists, for comments like this one.
@@d1d1ka29nice
Mainly because the pilots were 40 seconds slower than last time and there was less fog this time.
@@DavidKnowles0 FFS GAV, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, TIME ON TARGET WAS TO BE 16:30:00 +- 5secs
SO NO. 16:30:15 IS RIGHT OUT
THERE WILL BE NO MORE FOOCKING SLACKING AWF , YOU WILL FOOKING REPEAT TILL YOU FOOKING GET IT RIGHT
Wearing a pristine safety helmet and a suspiciously clean high-visibility vest.
Health and safety advisers (in their own minds) making sure that the workplace is a safe place to be.
Just ask an electrician what they think about overly zealous health and safety inspectors!
In the helicopter industry that's called IFR flying - I Follow Roads. ;-)
@tzahrysimpit Or "scud running". Yowza. Doesn't get much lower. I like IFR better on this one. :)
Sadly power lines also follow them😮😅
@@ruskiedie Excellent point!
It's also called on the edge of a crash. This environment led to the death of Kobe bryant. Unless the pilot is IFR rated and proficient. But if he was, he wouldn't be 20 ft off of the road.
@@user-mp9rd4hg8b 101% accurate term. Yeah, I have to wonder about the situation for Kobe's pilot. I would imagine he is a tough guy to say no to.
I had a dear old friend that learned to fly after WW2 when he was working at an airport in Leavenworth, KS. He said if he ever got misdirected he would drop low enough so he could see the road signs and find his way back that way.
Just like in the Johnny English film? :P
yeah, that's how you die in a hurry
What a Legend!
It`s the correct type and colour scheme for " Blue Thunder " as they are known. Operated by 658 Squadron AAC as part of the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing (JSFAW).
All in public domain so don`t shoot the messenger, ta very much.
Does CTSFO use that helicopter?
@@iicustodianlaw I don`t think so, as far as I can tell it`s operated by the AAC. I would expect the CTSFO to have their own equipment and be operated by Police Pilots.
Public domain? What, did they used to copyright the name of the unit?
Incorrect. Blue Thunder was a top secret helicopter used by US Special forces in the 1980s.
@@RW-vt8up *Blue Thunder* was also a series/fleet of Cigarette boats built for the US DEA to run the Florida Straits... chasing down smugglers driving... Cigarette boats with slightly smaller engines, lol. #AdvantageGov
"Speed checked by aircraft."
enforced
“Fancy a pint Skipper? B Squadron are off to the Cat and Fiddle, its Darts Night!”
“Oh rather, madness not to really!”
“I’ll drive Sir, I know the road!”
🤣🤣🤣🤣
How gay.
Just checked Google maps, and there are only about 6 cat and fiddles in the country. You didn't happen to be talking about the Buxton road one?
Parked there a few times for a nice country walk 😊
no drinking and flying
Nothing to see here, just Hereford Gun Club out looking for grouse 😂
i thought we had venison that weekend.
In the Lake District ?
It's crazy how you don't hear the bloody thing until it's right in front of you!
I was on Salisbury Plane once doing an exercise in the dead of night and we got jumped by a Lynx, it was on us before we heard a thing, similar experience with a Chinook.
Thick fog will do that, it masks the sound due to its density. I don't know if the SAS have quieter versions too though like the American Black ops ones (or are they a myth?)
Simple physics, you don't need the fog for that :)
@@kristinajendesen7111 As an American, i can say the modern Blackhawk is not a myth.
@ter_DE not only that. I am a citizen of a country who recently changed their helicopters from Mi-17 to Blackhawks. I am living on a hill with a nice view to all sides. Mi-17 were heard long before they passed overhead my house (maybe around 30 seconds). On the other hand, you are unable to hear the Blackhawks until they are maybe 2 seconds from you. Western technology is way ahead in this regard.
I've seen this happen with north sea helicopter pilots . They get lost and come down low to look at Road signs. Where I stay I often see them following roads to get to the heliport.
I've seen it happen too, except it was a dude in a Bell 47, about 40 years ago.
That's called IFR flying.... I Follow Roads...
Back in the days of exploring the Overthrust Belt in the Rockies pre gps looking at road signs was a required skill. Flew all over Montana, Utah and Wyoming that way. Not just in bad weather either. Smart pilots kept a road atlas in the cockpit.
Yes, they get lost all the time. Because they have no way of navigating in clouds.
@@jakobsen7239 where I live on the coast in Scotland Im on the helicopter flight path . I often see helicopters that have got lost. I used to work on oil rigs. The pilots fly by using land Marks.
I hope there is no overhanging powerlines!
Did this in the fog, followed through Road to RAF Macrihanish, and the went over the hangers to the airfield apron. Nobody picked us up for it. RAF Puma about 1979
Looks like you’re heading down Kirkstone pass towards Ullswater in the Lake District. Perhaps the chopper was heading up the valley following the road due to the bad visibility?
Have seen them lower in clear conditions, looked down on 2 out of 3 Pumas in a 20 foot deep dip between us and the neighbors. 3rd was level with me all in close formation, those special forces pilots are something else, they used to have one in the colors of the National grid one
Wow that helicopter gave you a close up view it’s been over by me twice tonight.
@@user-kf5zk6gl3z it’s there job that why they have to not publicly disclose much information about where they are
That whirly is certainly what they use, there is also a Cumbrian businessman that commutes to the Nederlands daily with a Mk1 Dauphin in the same attire but that was a Mk2 and flown by D658 Squadron who are based at Credenhill Hereford, otherwise known as Blue Thunder. The have a very low acoustic signature until they are rite on top of you.
They are pretty damn noisy when the fly over my house.
You just drove past a 4 man patrol.
I see those all the time round Herefordshire, never knew they were SAS! I often see the Chinooks, Ospreys and the like round here
The mans name is Brian Scowcroft, he is a friend of my dad's, he used to live down Winster which is about 7 miles south of this location, but now lives mainly in Switzerland. He must of had that chopper 20+ years now, really nice guy
@@couchslouch13 _ALL Osprey's grounded now - thankfully; hideous deathtraps!_
That is very interesting to say the least.
The proximity of the rising hill to one side and not to mention the proximity of the ground... it is very surprising to see this helicopter flying in virtually zero visibility.
Being under IMC conditions, it is surely not safe to be this close to obstacles. One pole, high sign or mast in the wrong place and it is going to end badly.
Great video though... and for once, the description was not clickbait! 🤣
at least this way the ground cant sneak up and get them!
Thanks for your video and more important the link, both your video and the link are very interesting .
I've travelled the Kirkstone Pass in the snow before. Scary times! But exhilarating.
Nice one mate extemely rare to see these 💪
I have seen them from my Sisters house on Exmoor, during training.
Stunning capture! May I feature this low passing helicopter in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
I love your videos
Did you have tea in the car? It's a well known fact that a British Officer can detect hot tea from great distances.
In weather and visibilty like that I expect it's standard to let down into a valley very slowly and find a road then follow it knowing it's not going to end in a cliff face, keep an eye out for tunnels though!
I'd be more worried about electricity pylons.
@@krashd Definitely but unlike a fixed wing you can actually be ready to stop, either way it must be very mind concentrating to fly low in weather like that, I used to be in the army and got to fly around in choppers quite a lot and the pilots never ceased to amaze me, I never told them though.
Not normally they were probably on an exercise, if they were simply traveling the normal procedure for fog is to climb until you are above it or above any possible local terrain and then fly normally or by instrument. I mean the tallest mountain in Scotland is less then 1500m and they have a ceiling of 4500m.
Good catch!
You left the landing light on.
Pilot would have needed new underpants if it was a 16ft high hgv 😲
The pilot was navigating using the road, because of the poor visibility.
Probably wasn't. They would have GPS mapping for navigation.
Probably came down low so he can see the ground and not fly into it.
@@deang5622 GPS wouldn't stop you from flying into a hill, mountain or building in near zero visibility.
@@S-North I didn't say it would.
If you had bothered to read and comprehend my post properly, I was not suggesting GPS was the solution to prevent them flying into a hill, I said it was used for navigation. I indicated that flying low within site of the ground was the means to flying into a hill or ground.
@@deang5622 So then you agree with my original post.
No need to be snotty about it, wind your neck in.
@@S-North I don't need to agree with you as I already stated what they were were most likely doing. I would be agreeing with myself!
You seem desperate to try to prove that you were right when in fact I had already stated the reality and you had not read my post properly.
It is you that needs to wind your neck in.
The error was yours, not mine.
Take responsibility for it.
That poor pilot, he's crapping his pants right now due to how close to death he is, and he knows it. Having been a military helicopter pilot for 28 years, this is what I believe he's doing. He got caught out in the countryside with very bad weather. So he slowed down and came down. Which is instinct and sort of natural reaction although it causes a lot of fatalities doing this. Now he's trapped with next to no visibility looking for a place to land. It is EXTREMELY disorienting flying in fog close to the ground in un-even terrain. Telling what direction is up is difficult. Even more difficult is trying to stay level. I hope he made it out ok. Honestly, he should have committed to IMC and taken his lumps when he got home. It would have been far safer.
If it is THAT dangerous, why not land and wait it out..?
@@soupfork2105 Did you read his comment?
@@soupfork2105 Landing not always easy in these conditions.
@@soupfork2105 Thats exactly what he should have done or was currently trying to do. I didn't go into much detail but in low visibility sometimes having a distinct terrain feature, like a road for example helps keep you oriented. From what I could tell, left and right of the road, there was no place to land. Tail Rotors a lot of times a fairly close to the ground so landing in tall vegetation can be very dangerous as well. I have been in several situations where you're flying to point "x" and you realize you cant get there. You go and turn around and it's now bad behind you and getting worse everywhere. I don't know any of the details of this flight, I am just speculating based on my experiences.
You were a pilot for 28 years and you think he was flying through fog for a reversionary means of nav.
Unless this was authorised and recce'd for training (Dauphins fly special forces), he 100% should have done inadvertent IMC and done a rocket launch to safety altitude in a smart direction.
Whoa thats pretty cool, i'd be bricking it haha
This is pure IFR flying...I...Follow.....Roads.
Balls of steel in that fog
Stunning video... but I gotta ask...
No fog lights from the chopa?
(cool video... must have been quite the sight ;-)
Well, that’s something you don’t see every day….lol. Nice Post 👍🏻😎
Cool. I always wondered what that must look like to people driving on the road. We’ve done that a couple times. Dropping out of the fog near intersections.
Nice reaction!
Yeah let's just stop the car in the road in the middle of thick fog. Can't see how that might cause a hazard. Cool, cool.
Navigating by the road..love it😂
Oh cool, home!
Blue thunder Dauphin
Anyone play Sim Copter back in the day? The Dauphin was the absolute GOAT!
U weren’t expecting that helicopter coming down low and plunging out of the fog
definitely a dauphin. they are very distinctive.
RIP Kobe
Well that’s a helluva Top of the Morning to ya’, isn’t it!!?
Great thing your anti aircraft defences weren't switched on
I have followed train lines before, but never a road at that height.
That must've been a butt clenching flight for the pilots.
Lucky you weren't rear-ended
Safe to say that pilot will be giving some evil looks at whoever delivered the weather briefing...
There’s two types of flying conditions. VFR or “visually follow roads” or IFR or “I follow Roads”
Looks like Johnny English might be the pilot.
Small helicopters are terrible in IMC, that pilot is maintaining visual reference with the ground while searching desperately for a safe place to land and wait it out.
Most likely coming down looking for a place to land to wait out the weather. As a helicopter in the US Army, a lot of our SOPs dictate that if the weather condition deteriorate to conditions like these that we MUST land in a safe area and wait it out. I'm not sure about these helicopters, but the ones I fly, AH-64Ds, are not IFR certified and are not even to fly in IFR conditions legally. However, even if this helicopter is IFR flight capable, they might not have been on an IFR flight or ready for the conditions and so deciding to land would be the safer option.
It's likely 658 Squadron they fly the counter terrorist special forces about the UK.
You're a helicopter in the US Army?
@@jonsmith1162lmao, didn’t see that. I mean as an 64 pilot I do have grounds to actually identify as an attack helicopter
They’re letting helicopters go to Selection?! Now I’ve seen it all.
Too foggy to fly BUT using the asphalt compass , and your brave , you can. 😊
Who else thought of Kobe when they saw this? RIP
At this point it's only a "Search" helicopter.
That some bad weather to get caught flying in.
This reminded me of a quote from GTA Vice City
"Oh my God, they got a helicopter!"
Look mommy, there's an airplane up in the sky!!!
0:26 "I just saw a piece fall off it.."
😮 i bl@@dy well hope not!
Did`nt think they were allowed to fly in conditions like that !!
Ain’t no crab airways pilot in that mister😂😂😂 ain’t all about “ ice cream! “‘Troop you know😂😂😂
Special services simple as
that's alright, what he's doing counts as driving as long as he's under the speed limit 😁
Probably wasn't that bad on take off...
probably why they're so low to the ground. finding somewhere to land maybe?
IFR- I Follow Roads
He didn't know his son ordered Uber Eats from the car.
Nice intro! Which COD is this?
Looks like something I've seen in 1981
Poor pilot was probably very stressed out
is it ross kemp. is ross kemp on board
Speed limit is unforced by aircraft
Don't know what's worse. The pilot flying way to low in obvious IFR conditions
(didn't look like they could take off or land anywhere near there) or you stopping like that in the middle of the road in those conditions.
It's like you want to be rear-ended.
I remember thinking ide just been in a crash when a Euro fighter screamed past me at about that height.
Kirkstone pass?
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPECIAL AIR SERVICE! 🤣🤣
Holy crap 😮
Follow the yellow brick road home when visibility is nil.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the idiot driving the car in front in foggy conditions with no lights on. Superb work.
Aand..... that's a cool way to clear the fog
My only claim to fame is that this happened to me in nr Zennor in Cornwall and then they flew back and did an apology fly by!!
Handrailing the road
It'll be sunak using public transport to show he's just one of the blokes to the farmers.
That's an AS365N3 Dauphin operated by the SAS
Wrong its operated by the army air corp 658 sqn. support SAS
And I can tell you, that does belong to the SAS
How can you tell it belongs to the SAS without knowing the registration
The SAS don't own or fly them, it a squadron attached to the Regiment
no tail number, plus very unlikely a civvie heli would fly in fog also needs eyes to ground, pretty unlikely Army would either hence why he uses road as nav aid. plus its a Eurocopter Dauphin which SAS/AAC use.
Only the SAS use Dauphin AS365’s in those colours, in that area and in those conditions!
That pilot was following the road and definitely shouldn't have been in the air at all in that weather.
Classic FBR rules...... FLY by Road
IFR - I Follow Roads
How do you know that was SAS? Did you stop to ask them?
Helicopters need to see the ground at all times or risk disorientation and crashing in heavy fog ....get low or land .
Not these guys
No they dont, IFR is a thing.
"thats a helicopter"
"oh wow"
How do you know its sas
They also use the same platform for checking power lines and gas pipe runs etc.. The regiment deploy these for faster movement between places, i.e. cities.. Combat exercises and ops require the use of the usual ‘green’ kit, I.e chinooks, Merlin’s etc. unless it was on the outskirts of Hereford than it was highly likely a civvy heli..
Ah the peak of British weather seen in this video :)
Cool heli too
woooow indeed
Cue Airwolf theme.
An extreme scud runner.
How do we know this was the sas?? Did it have it on the side?
Ain’t no normal pilot flying in that 😂
type of heli and the paintjob. combo basically only used by the sas
‘SAS a stealthy helicopter
"thats an 'elicopter" no sh!t
It's a super risky flight...
Wouldn't be allowed in Wales - the 'chopper's doing over 20mph!
We need to talk to you regarding your auto insurance policy!!!