+Jeffrey Ornstein Thanks. In many ways its a film of two halves! Many people film outside the trains, so inside is rarer. I knew the trains were going to be refurbished so set about trying to get a few mementoes. I have others as well, but not of trains where I also have real live sound.
These lovely old school class 307 EMU’s(electric multiple units)used to run on the C2C line also. Between Fenchurch St and Southend Central. They weren’t exactly pretty but I’ve still got a soft spot for them to this day.😂
Yes but the trains which were specially built for the LTS (later C2C) routes were Class 302, and whilst very similar there were some differences, such as the front windows were a slightly different shape.
At that time I only had still image and silent film cameras, so I bought a small cassette machine and plug-in stereo microphone. The journey was my normal journey home, except that I normally chose fast train but for this recording I travelled on an 'all stations' train.
I have many happy memories of travelling from Grays to Fenchurch St on the old Class 302s from 1974 to 1978. The unrefurbished stock featured non- corridor compartments with 6 a side on benches which got very cosy when the sixth person squeezed in. However, occasionally a girl would fall asleep against you and wake embarrassed at her stop! They also had smoking compartments and one "Women only" compartment per set marked (I think) by a green triangle on the window.
interesting and perhaps unique set of stills...thanks fo uploading. probably goes without saying that for some of us these pics make one feel older than perhaps we'd like ;) as for progress i do recall the seating being more 'comfortable' in those days than now? or perhaps it that my body aches more nowadays?!
+Vincent de Guard Yes the seats were very much more comfortable in those days. This is because in those days the seats were fully upholstered with fabric and proper metal springs.
Great slideshow and sounds, brings back many memories! BTW, at 7.11 is a 302 though it does look a bit like a 307.I always remember Stratford how it was pre-Olympics too.
Thanks:) re: the train at Stratford, I'll have to find a pic of a 302 to compare. I think its possible to tell them apart from the 307's by looking at jumper leads and other electrical connection.
The cab windows on 302s are more or less square, 307s they're more oblong, because the front end has a wider centre flat section and narrower angled back side sections. Also, 302s have 2 red lights, one per side, 307s just one on the left. The pantographs of 302 were on the middle end of the 2nd coach while the 307's was on the end coach. Also, 307s retained they're rough Mk1 bogies even after refurb. 302s started life with Gresley bogies and got B4s on all trailer coaches on refurb.
How come you didn't sit in the motor coach to record the sounds? You get the deep hum from the transformer under load, a loud pop-clunk from the main breaker and the ding ding bell is much close obviously. In the intermediate car you got the clunky sounding air compressors for the brakes....all absent in this recording....? Could be any old electric really.
+goodchappy Thanks. By the time I bought my first camcorder the 501's had gone, however before then I managed to some footage of them using my silent super 8 cinė film camera. Of course nowadays I wish I had filmed more... ua-cam.com/video/NPsx7UfGP80/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wIOrc7A0mZg/v-deo.html Some of my still images of the 501's can also be found at the Wikipedia Encyclopedia.
I have an audio recording from 1991 of excerpts from Gravesend to London Bridge ready to upload. It was an old slammer so would I be right in saying it was an EPB?
possibly, it depends on what type of train, who built it / when it was built; sorry but my knowledge of Southern Railway / Region trains is very limited
The Class 442 had some, possibly only for 1st class passengers (I'm not certain) but I thought that they have all now been changed inside for their use on the GatEx service. So, alas, the answer is that in the UK compartments can only be found on heritage / living museum railways.
As much as I loved the slam door train and used to wait for one if possible rather than the 'newer' ones, the tarting up of the old trains in around 1987 was embarrassing and an utter waste of money as they were all scrapped a few years later...
I regretted seeing the trains scrapped so soon after their major rebuilds, but it was right that over 100 years since the recognition that someone with ill-intent would see vulnerable passengers as 'easy prey' the full width compartments were finally being replaced with open style seating how I wish that present-day train seats were as comfortable as the seats on these trains!
Interestingly class 302 were originally in a brown livery or a green livery although class 302 are documented as being green liveried without yellow warning panel I know this as I had a train book from the 1960s which showered a clear coloured photograph of what was either class 302 or 307s standing at Broxbourne Station the photo showed two class 302s although they could have been class 307s they were similar and although by the 1980s 307s mainly did London Liverpool Street or London Fenchurch Street to Shenfield Southend lea on Sea Shoeburyness or towards Chelmsford The Eastern Emus classes 302 305 306 307 308 were probably used on both Lea Valley line and London Liverpool Street to Romford Shenfield and further on to Southend shoeburyness Lea On Sea or up to Chelmsford I have done many Google or Yahoo searches to see if I can obtain any photos or info on brown liveried class 302s or class 307s although I am certain they were class 302s even back then as they were common on the Lea Valley from the 1960s-1980s and possibly the 1990s class 302s I think were withdrawn in about 1997 another Great Eastern emu that were also in different liveries were class 309s although documented as being maroon some were green as the book I had from the early 1960s had a photograph of green liveried class 309s if anybody has any info on green 309s or info on brown class 302s please feel free to comment down below
Green is more likely - I do not recall BR painting trains brown. One of the comments to my films told me that the 302s has square cab windows, and this helps with train type identification.
@@CitytransportInfoplus I had a book titled A Jolly Book of Trains which did have a very clear photograph of two more likely class 302s @ Broxbourne stayion on the Lea Valley Line the page next to it had a photogragh of a class 309 emu sadly I dont have the book anymore however I hope to find an old copy somewhere second hand on amazon or ebay as a collectors Item its possible there were livery variations of many multiple unit classes locomotives and even carriages mark 1 carriages had various liveries from the 1950s to 1990s early liveries included maroon also maroon and grey and brown grey and possibly green on southern if I get a copy again of the book I will compare the photo to photos of 302s and 307s the book from very early 1960s before yellow warning panels were introduced and made compulsory law for health and safety as said did try and internet search to see if i could find anything on either brown 302s or 307s in brown and green class 309s nothing came up I could ask on yahoo answers to see if anybody old enough to remember first generations emus in the 50s-60s who knows the Anglia region region trains in addition if you know where I could get a reasonably cheaper priced copy of A Jolly Book of Trains I think the publisher was Miller I do not know how much a copy would be they could range from a few pounds to hundreds of pounds as its classed now as old memorabilia you could get second hand copies in the 1970s-1980s from second hands shops charity shops car boot sales jumble sales as many of the trains in it were still used so kids could relate to them no more slamdoor first generation emus are left in regular service now and the odd ones they do have are reserved for specials only now so the book would be a collectors item now
The whine of thiose traction motors takes me back. I must look out the old tapes I made myself. Great memories!
Memories! I travelled on this line between Harold wood or Romford to Liverpool Street from 1965 for many years.
More memories to come... November 2018. I have just had some more 1980's super 8 film digitised.
This is a very interesting photo and audio montage. I especially liked the interior photos.
+Jeffrey Ornstein Thanks. In many ways its a film of two halves!
Many people film outside the trains, so inside is rarer. I knew the trains were going to be refurbished so set about trying to get a few mementoes. I have others as well, but not of trains where I also have real live sound.
These lovely old school class 307 EMU’s(electric multiple units)used to run on the C2C line also.
Between Fenchurch St and Southend Central.
They weren’t exactly pretty but I’ve still got a soft spot for them to this day.😂
Yes but the trains which were specially built for the LTS (later C2C) routes were Class 302, and whilst very similar there were some differences, such as the front windows were a slightly different shape.
@@CitytransportInfoplus
👍 gotcha.
Thanks for the info.👍
Takes one back even more having the audio train sound on ...
At that time I only had still image and silent film cameras, so I bought a small cassette machine and plug-in stereo microphone. The journey was my normal journey home, except that I normally chose fast train but for this recording I travelled on an 'all stations' train.
I have many happy memories of travelling from Grays to Fenchurch St on the old Class 302s from 1974 to 1978. The unrefurbished stock featured non- corridor compartments with 6 a side on benches which got very cosy when the sixth person squeezed in. However, occasionally a girl would fall asleep against you and wake embarrassed at her stop! They also had smoking compartments and one "Women only" compartment per set marked (I think) by a green triangle on the window.
interesting and perhaps unique set of stills...thanks fo uploading. probably goes without saying that for some of us these pics make one feel older than perhaps we'd like ;) as for progress i do recall the seating being more 'comfortable' in those days than now? or perhaps it that my body aches more nowadays?!
+Vincent de Guard Yes the seats were very much more comfortable in those days. This is because in those days the seats were fully upholstered with fabric and proper metal springs.
citytransportinfo ah...yeah do recall them being quite 'springy' :)
Were 315s always used on Shenfield services or did other stock fill in sometimes?
Great slideshow and sounds, brings back many memories! BTW, at 7.11 is a 302 though it does look a bit like a 307.I always remember Stratford how it was pre-Olympics too.
Thanks:) re: the train at Stratford, I'll have to find a pic of a 302 to compare. I think its possible to tell them apart from the 307's by looking at jumper leads and other electrical connection.
The cab windows on 302s are more or less square, 307s they're more oblong, because the front end has a wider centre flat section and narrower angled back side sections. Also, 302s have 2 red lights, one per side, 307s just one on the left.
The pantographs of 302 were on the middle end of the 2nd coach while the 307's was on the end coach. Also, 307s retained they're rough Mk1 bogies even after refurb. 302s started life with Gresley bogies and got B4s on all trailer coaches on refurb.
How come you didn't sit in the motor coach to record the sounds? You get the deep hum from the transformer under load, a loud pop-clunk from the main breaker and the ding ding bell is much close obviously. In the intermediate car you got the clunky sounding air compressors for the brakes....all absent in this recording....? Could be any old electric really.
You do hear some of these sounds... especially the pop-clunk from the main breaker, but they are not very loud
I like your channel. Have you any footage of the Class 501s that ran from Watford Junction to Broad Street?
+goodchappy Thanks.
By the time I bought my first camcorder the 501's had gone, however before then I managed to some footage of them using my silent super 8 cinė film camera. Of course nowadays I wish I had filmed more...
ua-cam.com/video/NPsx7UfGP80/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/wIOrc7A0mZg/v-deo.html
Some of my still images of the 501's can also be found at the Wikipedia Encyclopedia.
Thank you for the links. You did well to get that footage, if only we had the technology then what we have now.
I have an audio recording from 1991 of excerpts from Gravesend to London Bridge ready to upload. It was an old slammer so would I be right in saying it was an EPB?
possibly, it depends on what type of train, who built it / when it was built; sorry but my knowledge of Southern Railway / Region trains is very limited
Are there any modern designs that still retain the compartments with the side corridor?
The Class 442 had some, possibly only for 1st class passengers (I'm not certain) but I thought that they have all now been changed inside for their use on the GatEx service. So, alas, the answer is that in the UK compartments can only be found on heritage / living museum railways.
Andrew Phillips 442s are returning back to South west trains
Yeah and in the uk there is much debate as to weather there is any point in first class. Or even if it should continue to exist.
As much as I loved the slam door train and used to wait for one if possible rather than the 'newer' ones, the tarting up of the old trains in around 1987 was embarrassing and an utter waste of money as they were all scrapped a few years later...
I regretted seeing the trains scrapped so soon after their major rebuilds, but it was right that over 100 years since the recognition that someone with ill-intent would see vulnerable passengers as 'easy prey' the full width compartments were finally being replaced with open style seating
how I wish that present-day train seats were as comfortable as the seats on these trains!
LOL you had me! :)
Interestingly class 302 were originally in a brown livery or a green livery although class 302 are documented as being green liveried without yellow warning panel I know this as I had a train book from the 1960s which showered a clear coloured photograph of what was either class 302 or 307s standing at Broxbourne Station the photo showed two class 302s although they could have been class 307s they were similar and although by the 1980s 307s mainly did London Liverpool Street or London Fenchurch Street to Shenfield Southend lea on Sea Shoeburyness or towards Chelmsford The Eastern Emus classes 302 305 306 307 308 were probably used on both Lea Valley line and London Liverpool Street to Romford Shenfield and further on to Southend shoeburyness Lea On Sea or up to Chelmsford I have done many Google or Yahoo searches to see if I can obtain any photos or info on brown liveried class 302s or class 307s although I am certain they were class 302s even back then as they were common on the Lea Valley from the 1960s-1980s and possibly the 1990s class 302s I think were withdrawn in about 1997 another Great Eastern emu that were also in different liveries were class 309s although documented as being maroon some were green as the book I had from the early 1960s had a photograph of green liveried class 309s if anybody has any info on green 309s or info on brown class 302s please feel free to comment down below
Green is more likely - I do not recall BR painting trains brown. One of the comments to my films told me that the 302s has square cab windows, and this helps with train type identification.
@@CitytransportInfoplus I had a book titled A Jolly Book of Trains which did have a very clear photograph of two more likely class 302s @ Broxbourne stayion on the Lea Valley Line the page next to it had a photogragh of a class 309 emu sadly I dont have the book anymore however I hope to find an old copy somewhere second hand on amazon or ebay as a collectors Item its possible there were livery variations of many multiple unit classes locomotives and even carriages mark 1 carriages had various liveries from the 1950s to 1990s early liveries included maroon also maroon and grey and brown grey and possibly green on southern if I get a copy again of the book I will compare the photo to photos of 302s and 307s the book from very early 1960s before yellow warning panels were introduced and made compulsory law for health and safety as said did try and internet search to see if i could find anything on either brown 302s or 307s in brown and green class 309s nothing came up I could ask on yahoo answers to see if anybody old enough to remember first generations emus in the 50s-60s who knows the Anglia region region trains in addition if you know where I could get a reasonably cheaper priced copy of A Jolly Book of Trains I think the publisher was Miller I do not know how much a copy would be they could range from a few pounds to hundreds of pounds as its classed now as old memorabilia you could get second hand copies in the 1970s-1980s from second hands shops charity shops car boot sales jumble sales as many of the trains in it were still used so kids could relate to them no more slamdoor first generation emus are left in regular service now and the odd ones they do have are reserved for specials only now so the book would be a collectors item now
The toilets can now be accessed by anyone on the train! Democracy has arrived!
Toilet reserved for first class passengers eh. That's Britain for you