What Tires Can Aptera Use ?
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I own a Tesla Model Y that has 54k miles on the original tires and it looks like I'll be able to get another 20-30k miles out of them. I think EVs get a bad reputation with tires because they are fun to drive and those that drive them that way tend to wear out the tires quicker. That's not the fault of the EV, that's the fault of the driver.
That very true , Depending on how you drive can make the tires last longer . 😎
On the MYP, the front tires and the rear tires are different size. You cant even rotate them right to left either. So I am on my second set of rear tires at 30K. And I drive in Boomer mode all the time.
@@IDNHANTU2day
I'm a Boomer, and I tend to treat the throttle like a light switch...Boomers were the ones who bought all those Big Block muscle cars in the late '60s, don't forget!
I'm at the tail end of the pack, so I was forced to build my own performance cars 'cause Detroit forgot how for 20 years there. I did OK with a series of GM H-bodies. (Chevy Monza, Olds Starfire) It was pretty simple to come up with a healthy Chev 350 and a 'treat it gentle' T-50 5-speed...they-d just bolt in if you had the right factory pieces-parts and deliver the far side of 140 MPH, high 20s MPG, for around $1,400, if you DIY'd it. I did three of 'em, the first was with a PITA '64 Buick Wildcat engine...I do not reccomend that exercise in heartache!
@@IDNHANTU2day
if you're wearing the rear tires more than the fronts, trade it on a two-motor car. You'll still have excessive tire wear, but it will, at least, be balanced! AND the acceleration will have a slimming effect on your profile view! {giggle}
I just did a little reading...Am I right in guessing that the MYP IS the All Wheel Drive version? If so, I can't help you ...um...other than to keep it at my house so you don't have to deal With the uneven tire wear! LOL!, I WILL do what I can to help people! {grins}
@wineberryred Great share. Thanks for that. Hope you are being honest and not exagerrating, me not knowing who you are. I have sometimes wondered about EV drivers and their tires
As the comments above indicate: Fast acceleration and fast tire wear are the drivers choice.
Exactly
Tires also have a speed rating which raises the price
Hello William Aptera is so light I bet the tires will go at least 40-50 thousand miles.
I will take that all day . 😎
and only 3 tires to replace
More than a little weird that NBC's crack reporter chose to compare pickup with a Hummer EV. Did they forget that there's a ICE Hummer so they could compare apples to apples. The Hummer H1 is 8100 pounds. The EV Hummer is 11% heavier than the ICE Hummer. That's a big difference from "almost TWICE!!" Even with their comparison, the EV is 63% heavier. It's a bit of a stretch co call that "almost twice."
There is a lot of bogosity in this reporting.
One thing to note: Media is still a business, and the customer isn't the viewer. It's the sponsors and advertising. If CNBC happened to have any ICE automaker or oil related commercials, then this EV report will absolutely showcase downsides.
It's the only way to determine bias. Look at the commercials. The channel will never talk down on their customers.
The music is better than I thought it would be be, it was it’s catchy :-) no worries you’re doing great!
I don't think the Aptera Is going to wear tires down like other EVS. It weighs around as much as a small four-door sedan or as much as a heavy two-door car. 15-in Wheels can handle 2,000 to 3,000 lb with the price that I looked up on discount tires of 450 to $500 for regular all seasons(3 tires) with a 60,000 mile warranty. I personally think with moderately conservative driving you should be able to get at least 50,000 mi out of those tires. I think what's more likely to affect the tire's lifespan is how are you going to drive? You drive like a bat out of hell, your tires are going to wear out much more quickly. Those are just my thoughts, what are yours?
I don't know about all their "facts." My '22 Model 3 has 14,987, and it's tires show hardly any wear. I'm a pretty conservative driver, but I've had them rotated twice and was told that the brakes look brand new too. I imagine, being way lighter, Aptera will do even better.
But what is the tire rotation sequence on Aptera?
I don't think you would want to rotate the tires. The front will wear out more quickly than the rear from steering. Probably just replace the front tires once and all three after that.
You can also use regular tires for Aptera so that will save money . When I find out about the tire rotation I’ll let you know . 😎
Yeah, I'd like to know about the tire rotation too
Thanks!
I might squeak 25k on our KIA EV 6 Gt line OEM tires.It is heavier than the “Y”
I use ipedal regen whenever possible. Eco mode gives me more than enough torque so never move up to normal or sport. But nice to know you have it “if ever needed”
BTW the Aptera Launch Mode was only tested in Aptera’s “Mule “ So maybe we will see it in a post launch edition. I surely don’t need more than 0-60mph in 4 seconds!
Nothing “green” about launching rubber tire particles in the air with burn outs… In this old mind. Give me the:
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E arth Friendly aspects
E fficiencies in battery size, tire wear etc.
N ever charge “ possibilities “ at times
I love it , I the same way . 😎
With the Aptera being so light weight, as long as you aren't accelerating really fast, I think its tires will last just as long as any ICE vehicle. Which also means that if you want to spend extra for "EV tires", those will also last longer when on an Aptera.
I might be in a minority, but I like the new music a little more. As for tires, I can see the EV trucks being hard on tires due to being significantly heavier than ICE trucks. EV car owners don't seem to be having to change their tires more often if they leave them out of sport mode, but it is true that they cost more. Personally, I've had 6-ply tires that still had tread to go, but had to replace them due to sidewall dry rot making them unsafe.
Mine mY 2022.7,000 miles. Needless to say tires are new! My question: do you run chill mode? I use CHILL most of the time.
The Aptera could use regular tires in a pinch but with a loss of efficiency. Aptera being as light as it is if you were to use chill mode tire cost would be way down. I would suggest using the tires recommended by Aptera. Question is how well would it do in track day in the quarter mile if you could remove the speed governor and wheel pants and install some sticky slicks.
Maybe the penalty of removing wheel pants would be greater than the benefit of a bigger slick. Sticky tires that could fit inside the wheel pant might be better. Custom wheel pants with less ground clearance should have even less drag. Real question is, what is the capability of the electric motor between 100 and 250mph. Might it be possible to get the original motors that had more torque. A custom battery with much less range / weight. I doubt many on this forum would have much interest but to those that want to win drag week it could be an attractive platform.
I’m not doing all that , but if you do let us know how it goes . 😎
Great channel. I'm a long-time subscriber. One grammar tip that will help forevermore: Use "farther" when you're talking about distance and "further" for everything else.
Thanks for the tip , I’ll definitely have to remember that . 😎
You will not use the word "further" any further. 🤣
At Walmart, these prices can be had (not bad):
* 195/45R16: $53.24
Good point, William. The new music is ok.
i guess the only question is, are there quiet tires, of the "regular" type?
They have a tire now that is air less, that would be perfect for the Aptera's rear tire. I am a little concerned about driving with the rear tire being in the middle of the road were all the road debris drifts too, just begging for a nail or other sharp object to give you a flat tire. The Airless tire I reviewed although more expensive wears better than normal tire and solves the problem of flats. I was wondering having 2 different tire models would it be unsafe for some unknown reasons? What do you think?
You would want all of your tires to be the same type for handling / safety.
@@tskogen6905maybe, maybe not. With AWD would it be THAT important if rear tire was airless?? I don’t know
I would LOVE to have airless tires ! 😎
airless tires have terrible rolling resistance. great for construction equipment - terrible for any consumer vehicle.
If you carry a tire plug kit and a DC inflator it should work fine. I have used this on motorcycles, cars, and dual rear wheel vans with great success.
I don't recommend "fix a flat" type products which can cause a big mess when it is time to change a tire.
I wish Aptera's engineers had gone with 15" wheels. There are alot more choices in that size and they tend to be cheaper. You can also get them narrower, which reduces air drag, but with higher sidewalls and the same weight limit as the 16s.
Possibly the hub motors simply won't fit over 15s.
Slow start will help…..no jackrabbit starts…..gentle stops if possible
The video you showed is pushing the FUD around tires. They showed a story that said that tires might wear 20% faster. But then they push the narrative that EVs wear out tires twice as fast. The 20% faster wear is actually only for the first year when people are accelerating faster to show off their EV. Once they just start using it for normal travel, that issue goes away. And the EV tires are more expensive also because less of them are sold, so they should become cheaper as more people start driving EVs.
Other than Elmer, what is FUD?
Where I live (Alberta, Canada) I can (only just) get away with all seasons on my current vehicle all year. With my Aptera I am going to have to use regular Summer tires (with a harder rubber compound and not have a lead foot) in summer and winter tires (below 7 degrees C). My concern is going to be fitting the winter tire treads into the wheel pants..
You may have to get the off road kit for the Aptera also for all the snow . 😎
@@freepower1082 I'm hoping as they refine things offroad will be more about buying different wheel pant variants and changing them seasonally or when planning to offroad.
It's not more torque. It's more horsepower. (When we say a motor has more torque, that's just a way of saying that it produces more horsepower at low RPM.)
lol by the way now's the time to make your own song for your channel. You already have the name for the song, Free Power. Just grab a mike, do it Solo. You can start by screaming, I got an EV!! Powered by the sun, Don't need no stinkin Gas, Don't need no House current. I just leave it outside to charge, then drive where I want, oh yeaaa!..
Use AI to help develop the song. Your lyrics are GREAT!!
That’s sounds pretty good , I think I’m going to wait on it . 😎
Even though aptera doesn't need special EV tires, could it do even better with special ev tires?
RIP Jell-O. That song was going to find second life as the theme of Aptera fandom. We would've made it an anthem. Oh well, the thing about songs is that there are a lot of them. Whatever you pick next is going to be just fine.
Thanks NoorElahi , I have another for now and I may just stay with it . 😎
I never heard any of my Friends who drive Teslas complain about excessive tire wear, I call BS on CNBC
I guess that’s their option . 😎
If you drive a vehicle conservatively EV tires will last just as long as normal tires for a tesla. The reality is driving habbits and demand for high performance is what drives up prices. Aptera will only have ~750lb per tire so the cost/benefit of using normal automotive tires. It is worth noting that the aptera tires are a bit narrower and it only has 3 so even with its light weight it isnt totally getting a free pass on tire wear.
Using the figures in your video, Tesla weighs 4030 lbs., and has 4 tires, equaling 1007.5 lbs. per tire. While Aptera weighs 2200 lbs. and has 3 tires equaling 733.3... lbs. per tire. Driving an Aptera like you stole it, you probably will get lousy tire mileage, but driving like a person who doesn't get any tickets for drag racing, your tire mileage will likely be similar to an ICE car.
Finally someone who gets it.
A little flawed there. The single rear tire needs to take 100% of the rear axle load as opposed to 50% per tire on the rear axle per tire on a Tesla. Let's take an Aptera that has a driver that comes in at 200 lbs (not uncommon for America) then they take a 200 lb passenger along. Add into that, 100 lbs of cargo. 2700 lbs and you are at the limit. The Tesla with the same, is 4530. Assuming equal load on each tire, the load would be 1132 per tire (max load rating for a Model 3 tire would be 1653).
For Aptera it's tricky because if you assume a 50/50 weight distribution, that means (like in a Tesla) 1350 on that single 195/50/16 tire. Highest load rating for that size is 1235. Thus 115 over the limit.
So, you literally need 54% of the weight on the front to max out the single rear tire. When you run tires at the max of what they rate them at, the wear goes up.
@@billsmith5960 Bill, If the weight distribution of the Aptera was 50/50 you would be correct. Since the weight distribution is 66/34 forward bias, we are back to even distribution of weight on all three tires. (Or close enough not to matter.)
@@mikeransom1168 - How do you know it's 66/34? Did Aptera publish that somewhere?
@@billsmith5960 Bill: Early on in an interview with the co-CEOs they mentioned that the Aptera would have a 2/3 forward weight bias. I wasn't able to find that interview but this more recent interview mentions a 70/30 forward weight bias. ua-cam.com/video/wdpaQNZWysY/v-deo.html Hopefully this will work.
I have a model 3 all wheel drive. I Have a perfectly ordinary set of tyres that cost just the same whether you drive electric or not. What is all this about?
Man there’s way too much speculation about EVs. I have a 2018 Model 3 & got 30000 miles on the original Continental tires. Nothing special about them. I put on Michelins for a replacement. A harder tire so they should last longer. Road noise isn’t a problem & no special tires are needed.
I'm interested if Aptera will come out with standard automotive tires, or if they will take steps to reduce the road noise and rolling resistance. If Aptera comes standard with regular tires, that tells me Aptera isn't worried about it.
The tires should last much longer because of Aptera's lower weight. Or rather, they should last much longer than the tires on an EV automobile. The Aptera will weigh more than most motorcycles and trikes, so it will wear out tires faster than a motorcycle. Of course, the Aptera will use automobile tires, not motorcycle tires, but I believe the Polaris Slingshot uses automobile tires. So the Aptera will wear out its tires faster than a Slingshot. But a Slingshot's tires probably last longer anyway, since it only weights around 1700 lbs.
Acceleration, as others have said, is up to the driver. Launch Mode is also going to use up way more power, so if you drive like that, it's going to kill your range. Most people will probably just use it to show off.
Road noise is likely to not be a problem, again because of the Aptera's light weight. Rolling resistance is mainly caused by deformation of the side walls and I believe that's true of road noise as well. Tread pattern can effect road noise, as we can all hear, and air passing over the tires as well, but I imagine a standard low noise passenger car tire will be quiet enough for most drivers.
That leaves lower energy cost, i.e. rolling resistance. Quite frankly, I would expect Aptera to want to squeeze every inch of range out of their tires, both in the name of efficiency, and to meet the stated goal of 10 miles per kWh. If Aptera is planning to just use standard tires, though, that means that you can get even MORE range out of an Aptera by putting EV tires on it. That could be an interesting option for those who want to spend the money. The quieter ride and extended life of the tire would just be a bonus.
I can see Aptera wanting to develop a tire that increases the range, but doesn't bother with making the tire quieter or more robust, but that would end up being a unique tire that is hard to find. I'm sure they want to use off the shelf tires. And I'm sure there are extended range tires that could be used.
I've saved the most interesting for last, and that is of course the 600 mile and 1000 mile options. Once developed, the 1000 mile option in particular will be much heavier, perhaps as much as 3000 lbs. I don't expect it to be much more than that, but the extended range WILL wear out tires faster. Aptera might even go so far as to put EV tires on it. They may need to put heavy duty tires on it, just as they will likely need to do for the Off Road package. EV tires would be stronger and better able to carry the weight.
That's still not anywhere near the 4000 lbs for a Tesla, or more than 6000 lbs for EV trucks. The Aptera's small size means that even the extended range options aren't that much heavier. It's all about proportion.
I pretty sure the Aptera will have regular tires on it . 😎
That's what I've heard too. I assuming all their range calculations are based on standard tires. They may gain some range from EV tires, but not as much as the aerodynamics gives them.
Cnbc skews toward anti ev in my opinion
luckily most of these downsides do NOT apply to an Aptera!
True, except for lead foot part..
It's interesting nobody talks about the load rating and that single rear tire.
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You're welcome 😊
I think BS. Ty-Icelandic EV hit piece. EV (low rolling resistant) tires are not twice as expensive. Still not as expensive as sport high performance tires. My EV tires went 42000 miles. The Aptera weighs less than the Hummer battery. If you drive like a fool you deserve tire wear.
You must not actually follow Aptera actual news. We know for a fact that a rolling and powered PI build is not expected before end of July and possibly as late as end of August. They are still waiting for the frame and suspension components castings to be completed in Italy and have as of today not shown even samples of those parts. Every single date is pushed back significantly. They have not even announced a supplier for the interior outside of the seats. We do not know if they went ahead with their bespoke steering wheel as Chris himself stated the supplier wanted 500,000 dollars to build it.
Tires for EV cost twice as much? EV tires only last 12k to 15k miles? I've been driving EVs for a decade and my experience does not support this. Not even close to the truth. Sounds like typical anti-EV FUD.