Truth be told, these changes killed the track. Tamburello leading to Villeneuve was a major overtaking spot that ceased to exist with these two hideous chicanes.
Tamburello is hella dangerous. No run off areas there that meet modern requirements. I feel the aqua minerali is good with the change, but you cant overtake there anymore.
@@axuaxu1570 true, the best i can think of is curva grande, but this is a corner where you have to accelerate into. Senna was travelling 305km/h in tamburello during his crash. Curva grande, takes the apex at about 200km/h, giving plenty of time to slow down, and also with Safer barriers. Paraboilca is probably the most dangerous but ita padded and has a massive run off area.
Just bring the Tamburello wall right up next to the track. This completely eliminates any crash angle and we can have old Tamburello back. Probably can do the same with Villenueve. And modern materials means we can have those soft walls aswell
They added two and took away three, if you pay attention: Tamburello and Villeneuve have been added while Acque Minerali, Rivazza and Variante Bassa have been removed.
@@redipustaka3222 Yeah i guess its taste, but the new Imolas turn 5 and 6 are really difficult to get right. Also turn 2 to 4 is a difficult sweep on what used to be a simple curve
With new cars the old circuit would be easier. From the start to the "tosa" would be practically a straight. Just the last chicane could be difficult with so large cars
Tire barriers along Tamburello wall would have prevented 1994 tragedy. 30 yrs later and much safer cars, the Imola track should be put back to what it once was. Currently it is not exciting.
Umm... simply no. The sentimental scars are too great to ever have this section of track go back to what it was pre-1994. Not just because of Senna and Ratzenberger, but because of Piquet, Berger and Alboreto, who also had huge shunts there. Even as safe as the cars are today, a crash going 200 mph through a turn (or even going straight) is still as scary as it was back then. There's still no guarantee drivers will come out of one uninjured, so there's no sense in risking it. Plus, as it is now, it'd be a flat out run all the way from Rivazza to Tosa, which would only add up to safety concerns.
@@victorleoncio1079 what about the corner at Silverstone where Lewis punted max at 190 mph and Max landed in wet tire barriers shaken and unhurt, for which Lewis received a very light slap on the wrist and ended up winning that race.
@@tyronnezx you know not what you speak about, if tires would do nothing why are they the main safety solution for current corner safety, you should know when not to speak
They could take the chicane out of Tamburello already to have more overtakes... the wall on the outside isnt just a concrete wall anymore and the cars and safer...so no reason for it anymore.
The cars crashing in there would end up bouncing out back to the track, that was the main reason that de circuit persisted with concrete walls and not a tire barrier (a stupid idea). Also there is a river behind Tamburello, so, no scape area to do there. I just wanted to that corner to be destroyed and the track just pass before it, but it’s just on the start of the track, so, no real deal options in here…
Exactly many of the safety changes in the past are now redundant with how safe the cars are, driver protection, and barriers are now. Besides if Saudi and Baku’s last turn before the monster straight is safe, then so is the real Tamburello!
The old configuration should be an option for other forms of motorsports, especially Tamburello. Not popular but safety has improved with Safer barrier and the soft wall as great options if tire barriers were bad for the environment. Also to overtake in Tosa the Villenueve chicane will need help.
@ Tamberello was a “kink” not a corner as Ayrton used to say, separates the men from the boys!! Personally I think they have ruined Imola altering this part. There were crashes there before & they never altered it until Ayrton’s crash, wasn’t the corner that killed him it was an upright which went through his helmet into is brain. Used to work at Willys on raceteam before joining RB.
The racing has changed and the tracks are not dangerous anymore. I don't want drivers to die but it will never be the same. Back then you where risking your life every time in the car . Since Jules the safety is great but f1 will never be the same........
Imola was a great track but wasn't a classic GP race track (emphasis on the race element). The 1990 Berger/Mansell tussle was an exception, perhaps. Heck, de Angelis won the '85 event and took the lead in the championship without leading at any point during the race itself. Love that stat. Anyhoo, my layman's suggestion would be to tighten the Tamburello chicane and move the following straight over to the left and remove the Villeneuve chicane so there's a run to Tosa. Ratzenberger's horrible accident was a lack of run off and hitting the wall head-on at full pelt. That closing speed van be partly sorted by the previous chicane but giving an overtake opportunity like they did at Abu Dhabi (removythe chicane right before a hairpin). Also could Rivazza be turned into a longer and then harder braking zone? Might need fo buy the houses beyond for run off. Move variante alta back? Love Imola. But not the current track...
We have lost and won things. Obviously, we have lost Tamburello and Villeneuve-Tosa (we still have Tosa, luckily). But we have won the elimination of chicanes of Acque Minerali and Pits. Acque Minerali is again a great corner, lost during many years. Tosa, Acque and Rivazza are great corners. It is a pity the sucesion of anti-overtaking bland corners in the Tamburello zone. Ironically, the death of Senna was not related to the speed of the crash, but to an unfortunate circunstance. I think to remember Dr Sid Watkins (official F1 Dr at the time) said that Ayrton's body was almost perfect, without any single fracture. But, sadly, one of the arms of the right wheel had pierced his helmet and brain. Tamburello had been a dangerous corners for years, with notorious accidents (Piquet, Berger, Campos,...). So, the Senna's crash was not the rational reason to emasculate the track. It was a knee-jerk reaction by Mosley's FIA, due to multiple reasons (some of them very reasonable, others rather cynically commercial). Let's remember the ludicrous temporary chicanes that were incorporated in the next GPs... IMO, Tamburello can be saved using modern oval tracks walls and , perhaps, complementary decelaration measures. Also, modern cars have excessive grip, it is bad for racing and for the track themselves. Just ban those "stoopid" wings and you solve several problems with one step.
The original Tamburello was basically the same as Curva Grande (Turn 3, after the first chicane) in Monza, but obviously in the opposite direction. All it needed was a resurface, as it was way too bumpy for such a fast corner. Curva Grande never had any major accidents, Tamburello shouldn't have had either.
Left side is Derek Warkwick in an Arrows A11 in 1989.
Thank you
Us zoomer F1 fans thank you!
Beautiful driving really
That's not a footwork. It's usfgb (I think) a f1 team from 1988 lasted till 1989 get your sources right
Man they love chicane so much back then
It was the easy way to transform fast (and dangerous) tracks with slow sections. You just have to see the 24h Le Mans track or the old hockenheimring
After seeing so many onboards, I try to copy that style in the videogames 😅
Truth be told, these changes killed the track.
Tamburello leading to Villeneuve was a major overtaking spot that ceased to exist with these two hideous chicanes.
Tamburello is hella dangerous. No run off areas there that meet modern requirements. I feel the aqua minerali is good with the change, but you cant overtake there anymore.
This wouldn't work with modern DRS F1. The turns leading up to the hairpin are too sharp to be taken under DRS.
@@tyronnezx I agree, but Monza has same kind of corner so why wouldn't Fia but that cornes as it is in Monza.
Btw i dont know would it be possible
@@axuaxu1570 true, the best i can think of is curva grande, but this is a corner where you have to accelerate into. Senna was travelling 305km/h in tamburello during his crash. Curva grande, takes the apex at about 200km/h, giving plenty of time to slow down, and also with Safer barriers. Paraboilca is probably the most dangerous but ita padded and has a massive run off area.
Just bring the Tamburello wall right up next to the track. This completely eliminates any crash angle and we can have old Tamburello back. Probably can do the same with Villenueve. And modern materials means we can have those soft walls aswell
it was inevitable to find a solution to the escape route reduced to the Tamburello... but the "real" Tamburello was thrilling!
The old Tamburello was nothing more than a straight. And changing tracks is xxxt.
@@toivonencresto Agree 100% !
It's like adding a chicane at the banked Turn 13 in Indy. Man, loved that corner.
Rip Senna
Edit: oops I forgot about Roland sorry, may both rest in peace 🕊️
So for the track layout, we have multiple options to place a chicane: location A, B, C....
Imola: say no more let's do all of them 😅
They added two and took away three, if you pay attention: Tamburello and Villeneuve have been added while Acque Minerali, Rivazza and Variante Bassa have been removed.
This clip also shows how fast current F1 car, both enter Tamburello at about same time and exit Tossa also at about same.
Unpopular Opinion: Imola pre-1994 was a better track, faster and with more points to overtake in velocity.
The old one is more more challenging
No definitely the new one
@@rensminkhorst it's a personal taste. No problem, if we have different taste.
@@redipustaka3222 Yeah i guess its taste, but the new Imolas turn 5 and 6 are really difficult to get right. Also turn 2 to 4 is a difficult sweep on what used to be a simple curve
With new cars the old circuit would be easier. From the start to the "tosa" would be practically a straight. Just the last chicane could be difficult with so large cars
@@federicotomassetti9434 similar to old Hockenheim ?
Incredible how they both reach the hairpin at the same time, considering the first 2 complex's were added to slow down cars.
Modern cars are fast.
Tire barriers along Tamburello wall would have prevented 1994 tragedy. 30 yrs later and much safer cars, the Imola track should be put back to what it once was. Currently it is not exciting.
Umm... simply no. The sentimental scars are too great to ever have this section of track go back to what it was pre-1994. Not just because of Senna and Ratzenberger, but because of Piquet, Berger and Alboreto, who also had huge shunts there.
Even as safe as the cars are today, a crash going 200 mph through a turn (or even going straight) is still as scary as it was back then. There's still no guarantee drivers will come out of one uninjured, so there's no sense in risking it.
Plus, as it is now, it'd be a flat out run all the way from Rivazza to Tosa, which would only add up to safety concerns.
@@victorleoncio1079They should cap the top speed of the cars too. Too dangerous
Nah no way... Tamburello is basically blanchimont without the runoff. Tires wouldn't have done anything
@@victorleoncio1079 what about the corner at Silverstone where Lewis punted max at 190 mph and Max landed in wet tire barriers shaken and unhurt, for which Lewis received a very light slap on the wrist and ended up winning that race.
@@tyronnezx you know not what you speak about, if tires would do nothing why are they the main safety solution for current corner safety, you should know when not to speak
They could take the chicane out of Tamburello already to have more overtakes... the wall on the outside isnt just a concrete wall anymore and the cars and safer...so no reason for it anymore.
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It isn't a concrete wall, but a high speed crash there would still be dangerous.
The cars crashing in there would end up bouncing out back to the track, that was the main reason that de circuit persisted with concrete walls and not a tire barrier (a stupid idea).
Also there is a river behind Tamburello, so, no scape area to do there.
I just wanted to that corner to be destroyed and the track just pass before it, but it’s just on the start of the track, so, no real deal options in here…
Exactly many of the safety changes in the past are now redundant with how safe the cars are, driver protection, and barriers are now.
Besides if Saudi and Baku’s last turn before the monster straight is safe, then so is the real Tamburello!
The concrete wall didn't kill Senna, something punctured his helmet and head and killed him. This track was ruined in 1995. Boring as Monaco now.
Not one of the better tracks was it?
The old configuration should be an option for other forms of motorsports, especially Tamburello. Not popular but safety has improved with Safer barrier and the soft wall as great options if tire barriers were bad for the environment. Also to overtake in Tosa the Villenueve chicane will need help.
The old original circuit was the best, having changed Tamberello now has ruined the track.
the track was too dangerous, its better to ruined the track rather than high chance of killing the drivers
@ Tamberello was a “kink” not a corner as Ayrton used to say, separates the men from the boys!!
Personally I think they have ruined Imola altering this part.
There were crashes there before & they never altered it until Ayrton’s crash, wasn’t the corner that killed him it was an upright which went through his helmet into is brain.
Used to work at Willys on raceteam before joining RB.
So much more pixels now than before.
You should've used the 1995-2006 layout. Chicanes galore.
The racing has changed and the tracks are not dangerous anymore. I don't want drivers to die but it will never be the same. Back then you where risking your life every time in the car . Since Jules the safety is great but f1 will never be the same........
Imola was a great track but wasn't a classic GP race track (emphasis on the race element).
The 1990 Berger/Mansell tussle was an exception, perhaps.
Heck, de Angelis won the '85 event and took the lead in the championship without leading at any point during the race itself. Love that stat.
Anyhoo, my layman's suggestion would be to tighten the Tamburello chicane and move the following straight over to the left and remove the Villeneuve chicane so there's a run to Tosa. Ratzenberger's horrible accident was a lack of run off and hitting the wall head-on at full pelt. That closing speed van be partly sorted by the previous chicane but giving an overtake opportunity like they did at Abu Dhabi (removythe chicane right before a hairpin). Also could Rivazza be turned into a longer and then harder braking zone? Might need fo buy the houses beyond for run off. Move variante alta back?
Love Imola. But not the current track...
They modified the "curva del Tamburello" into the "variante del Tamburello"
We have lost and won things. Obviously, we have lost Tamburello and Villeneuve-Tosa (we still have Tosa, luckily). But we have won the elimination of chicanes of Acque Minerali and Pits. Acque Minerali is again a great corner, lost during many years.
Tosa, Acque and Rivazza are great corners. It is a pity the sucesion of anti-overtaking bland corners in the Tamburello zone.
Ironically, the death of Senna was not related to the speed of the crash, but to an unfortunate circunstance. I think to remember Dr Sid Watkins (official F1 Dr at the time) said that Ayrton's body was almost perfect, without any single fracture. But, sadly, one of the arms of the right wheel had pierced his helmet and brain.
Tamburello had been a dangerous corners for years, with notorious accidents (Piquet, Berger, Campos,...). So, the Senna's crash was not the rational reason to emasculate the track. It was a knee-jerk reaction by Mosley's FIA, due to multiple reasons (some of them very reasonable, others rather cynically commercial). Let's remember the ludicrous temporary chicanes that were incorporated in the next GPs...
IMO, Tamburello can be saved using modern oval tracks walls and , perhaps, complementary decelaration measures. Also, modern cars have excessive grip, it is bad for racing and for the track themselves. Just ban those "stoopid" wings and you solve several problems with one step.
I came for the unseen Ferrari 1989 Imola onboard suggested in the thumbnail… 😅
yeah some teams attract more than others and I like to play with it in my thumbnails 🙃 imagine showing an Arrows or a Haas ...
@@mxcnf1 Yeah I know. There’s a word for that particular practice, but it escapes me…
I didn't realize it was a totally different track now. What corner was Senna killed in?
Even the Top Gear boys said how insane this track must have been
Funny how they put chicanes back in the day (variante bassa, acque minerali), just in the wrong places safety-wise
what team was at the left side?
Arrows team
@@mattbulletsgames was it Arrows or did they called themselves Footwork at that time? I never understood that 😂
Arrows with Derek Warwick driving.
@@HammyMansell80And that Arrows A11 was designed by a guy named Ross Brawn.
@@navybluethunderin 1989 the team still calling Arrows, following year came Japanese Footwork as sponsor before to buy the team in 1991.
The original Tamburello was basically the same as Curva Grande (Turn 3, after the first chicane) in Monza, but obviously in the opposite direction. All it needed was a resurface, as it was way too bumpy for such a fast corner. Curva Grande never had any major accidents, Tamburello shouldn't have had either.
the old was much better
Bel video, complimenti!!
Nice vid
Vídeo muy lindo. Enhorabuena.
Very beautiful video. Congratulations.
The old track is ridiculous, poor designed with a long straight close to a wall, high curbs and weird corners. Dangerous af
Car was no power steering back then require a strong hand to hold steering
The 1989 F1 car isn't far off in terms of straight line speed, not bad at all
Just think them Trees saw senna
Essa chincana deixou o circuito muito ruim....#voltatamburello
I miss tamberello
They ruined it with that chicane 😭
the kerbs are so better now
Senna would be upset that his accident ruined the track
Muito bom
Dump imola and Mónaco circuits . Waste of time for those who are waiting for fun
How about dumping Singapore and those American street circuits and bring back Malaysia and Türkiye???
Look how much faster the F1 cars are now. It's not even close.
…ganz ehrlich das Knöpfchen spielen ist sowas von langweilig geworden
Dazu noch der Funk und das Team das alles durch rechnet ….
God these new f1 cars sound so shit