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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
- For the first time ever, Denmark plans to draft both men and women into military service. It's only the third European country to do so, after Norway and Sweden.
Beginning in 2026, the government wants to call up 5,000 co-ed conscripts a year. In addition, basic military service is to be extended from four to eleven months. The government says the decisions are in reaction to the war in Ukraine and the Russian threat in Western Europe's backyard.
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Not just equal rights, equal duty.
no, women doing everything, giving birth and fighting
Giving birth isn't mandated by law.. It's a choice. We are talking things mandated by LAW. By definition, you can't opt out of compulsory military service, but nobody forced you to give birth...@@pm8401
@pm8401 we need to figure out a way for men to give birth
@@pm8401 Actually in my country lots of women choose to never give birth and almost all of the ones who do, do so intentionally!
@pm8401 I doubt they will be in direct combat roles... at least I hope not. Women are well suited for support roles, but actual combat they would be at a major disadvantage
Now we're heading towards actual gender equality. Really love this
Inch by inch, it will come. In countries like Denmark, it couldn't be closer to true equality
@@-Nobody-1 Depends what equality you're looking for.
@@-Nobody-1some will have to get physical exercises.
@@-Nobody-1 there are monstrously strong women in the military. Women can get more than strong enough if they want to.
we all support LGBT .. fight until last man / woman ,,, lol
Could you imagine american womens reaction to cumpulsory military service in the states?
Like thousands fog horns with those inflatable chicken things attached.
I'm an American woman and would have no problem with this. If anything, you should probably say Americans reaction to compulsory service in general, since right now it is all volunteer-based.
It’s coming
@@Allaiya. Well maybe, but women currently don't have to register for the draft when they turn 21 like I did. But idk, it's been almost two decades since then so maybe it's different but I don't think so.
Probably the exact same reaction men had last time we had compulsory military service.
Equal rights means equal responsibility, it's just logical, not political
many men like to ignore that women give birth. the reason behind the division, beaucause of the risk of dying.
@@lottalarsson4121 that's your typical reasoning! "We give birth, we have periods!". Can't you come up with something else? It's kinda exhausting to hear the same thing over and over again
@@lottalarsson4121who forced you to give birth? R@ped? Report to the police.
Here is something worse: being conscripted to the frontlines and losing limbs or your very life. Who do you report that to?
But let’s not call THAT out, because we all love to choose what to call out as it fits us, don’t we?
@@hoteny Again you do not care, that women actually dies from pregnancy. It is still men, like in USA, that stops women from healthcare to survive pregancy. USA has among the highest death rates for pregnant women among modern nations. And they are decerasing the healthcare. It has already been found out, that women has knowledge and can support themselves they usually have 2 kids. So this 20 pregnancies is not a woman's idea. Also you blame women for men banning women being soldiers. You also do not care about the injuries and deaths in war zones. I learned yesterday that the women, making ammunition during WWII
@@lottalarsson4121 no they don't give birth, very few do these days
Finaly feminist wins
What's a Denmark?
Finally those fighting for equality win. Most feminist are for special privileges for women or equality when it suits them.
Check "sarcasm" in a dictionary.
@@iuliana1813 If feminists want equal rights, they should accept equal responsibilities , they can't have one without the other..
Feminists didn't win, this is the opposite of what feminism wants
At least the nordic countries are being coherent with their equality ideology.
Finland does not have compulsory service for women yet... which is idiotic. Same rights AND responsibilities.
They may be consistent but there is nothing coherent nor intelligent about thinking the vast majority of western women are going into the most lethal combat positions which are the majority especially in wartime. Infantry Soldiers account for 80% of the casualties even on the modern battlefield.
Germanic countries have a history of women fighting in wars.
@@Sevenfold120 Wide scale fighting by women, ie half the army are women, in long, drawn out wars like the one in Ukraine? What did that history reveal? Can women do anything a man can do in combat?
@@506thparatrooper Even child soldiers can pull a trigger. Soldiers don't have hand-to-hand combat and knives equalise the playing field if they do.
You go girls!
Bet they won't go far with a 70 lb rucksack on their back!!😅😅😅 It's an embarrassment to watch them fall out after just 10 minutes of a slow hike.🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@davidd.c.9344 Says the bigot as he grasps at straws to prove his point! Too bad that point holds no water at all!
Actually most women were against this particular equality, funnily enough.
@@davidd.c.9344 There are plenty of other jobs in the military. I bet they can fly a drone well or operate a tank... or tend to your wounded in field hospitals. They might even be better generals and tacticians. Maybe they can manage the supply chains even better?
maybe they will actually make wars less likely to happen because they are better negotiators and have more empathy with the opposite side.
-You can carry all the heavy bags you want. They can do something else while you do!
@@JokerInk-CustomBuilds That's not equality if that's your pedantic argument, then! Call it for what it is. Preferential treatment for women in less dangerous roles in the military because they simply can not do what men can do in the theater of military operations. Period!
This is a victory for women all over the world! It bring me to tears of joy to hear of this huge step forward, i suggest all European countries follow in the great Danish footsteps!🎉🎉❤
Nah
Lol
It´s a win for women AND men. Why should we be the only ones forced to fight when everybody´s talking about gender equality?
Plus, mixed-gender groups always work best. Denmark´s military will eventually become more competent. The men and the women as well.
Work together, not against each other.
Women can do everything a man can so I'm happy they're following in our footsteps in Denmark.
@@jbdsvld8175 You live in a bubble, don't you??😅😅😅
Equal rights equal fights.
And equal flights.
until the first shot is fired and then most women are very comfortable with the traditional role of being protected.
@@506thparatrooperDont generalize when you dont know most women.
@@Sevenfold120 I don't have to generalize. I can look at volumes of overwhelming evidence that shows the radical difference between men and women physiologically.
By the way, do you know most women so you are qualified to discredit what I said? Do you have any military experience?
@@506thparatrooper There are a lot of wearker section males. So what? Humans are generally less stronger comapred to a large section of animals as well. We don't hide in cave as we did thosands years ago. We use our brain to overcome our less physical strength. Same goes for women human kind.
More country's should do this, equal rights should mean equal responsibility's.
It is MEN who have blocked it, women want to serve, but often the enemy they face are the soldiers beside them.
@@banksiasong That is false, this is MANDATORY DRAFT, the women that want to serve are VOLUNTARY RECRUITS.
MANDATORY DRAFT MEANS EITHER YOU WANT IT OR NOT!
Can you imagine all male armies killing women enemies? Can you imagine some of the problems that might cause for everyone?
@@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uv Can you imagine that all human beings are equal?
@@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uvI can live with that the women aren't having kids anyway and with artificial wombs being a few decades away this excuse will die completely.
Conscription sucks. Doesn't matter how you wrap the package.
Paying taxes sucks too. However, everybody agree collecting taxes is necessary.
Defending your country is a duty. Not a choice
Not If your politicians drags the country to War, with stupidy choices, and to defend the privilegies of the elites.
Holding men back and giving all the promotions to women sucks, too. This is called earning your keep.
@@rikulappi9664
LOL, pay your tax will the rich gets more and more tax exemptions.
Since he asked about retention - I am a Danish Veteran with 10 years of experience and two deployments along US soldiers. One in Afghanistan and one in Irak.
In 2013 the defense budget cut a lot of benefits for soldiers. And since a Danish Soldier is employed like any other employee - We can quit our job with 3 month notice (although not while deployed as far as I know..) We have a union etc. The pay is so low that without the benefits - young Danes don't see service as a feasible career path anymore.
It has become something contemporary before "getting a real job" - I served 10 years because I had a contract predating the cuts and was saving up points I could take a masters degree with, while on full pay - rather than doing it on the "students benefits" program (I know it sounds super spoiled.. but a lot of soldiers don't want to end up not being able to afford taking higher education without ending in crippling debt) I have a family now, and studying on Student Benefits helps, but it would not be enough compared to my salary with the army.
I am following with a keen eye on how the Danish Government will solve retention.. because the soldiers union has been warning the government of retention issues since 2013.. How I see it, when I was serving, It was the people with old contracts that stayed. people with the new cut down contracts came and went.. And slowly the pool of people with old contracts just concluded. Here we are.
No one in Denmark is ending up with "crippling debt" from taking higher education in Denmark, unless they do something really wrong.
@@sumsar01 The problem is when you get well established - I have a car, two kids and the daycare is more expensive than my rent. (and I live in a cheap region of the country).
I took half my education on the army benefits. and now half on students benefits. Right now all that goes directly to the household.. which means It is my wife who pays for all the "fun stuff"
I know it sounds super previlleged.. and it is. But the Danes know this. So mos people would rather get a propper education and job while they live lives that has less expenses. If that makes sense...
There is a danger that if you make an career in the army. That you will get stuck because of house loans, childrens expenses etc. and most danes dont want that.
So.. if the pay remains low, the army needs to find another carrot to keep retention.
I hope it makes sense?
@@Ph33NIXx I'm a Dane and I'm for the education benefits from being in the army. I have friends why have been in the army the year where we haven't been in any real conflicts.
What is most horrifying is the lack of skills they've gained there. We are about 5-7 years in and they are practically worse of than right after high school.
I think they need something to incentivize them to finish the education when they get out.
But unless you are living way beyond your means I don't think you are going spiral into unfixable amount of debt while getting an education.
Either you are doing one of the easy ones and you will have time to also work or else you will likely be paid well enough to fix it after if you do the hard ones.
@@sumsar01 Well i am aswel(for army benifits - as i recall it was a percentage of our pay that was put to the side any way) - I see a direct line between the falling quality of our soldiers skill level, and retention because of the low pay and "no carrot" to reward you for investing your youth in it.
I am not sure what you mean by the lack of skills. While it is a very difficult thing to put the skills you gain as a soldier into a CV. (Which is why the soldiers union has a team that help translate military skills into practical skills you can write on a CV)
I am not sure what to get from your statement about "lack of skill" - I think in general that you will need to brush up basic math, language etc. if you want to take higher education after a few years out of school. But I also think it is very healthy to experience life outside of school. The Danish Soldiers Union HKKF has made many surveys on how Danish Veterans fair in society. And In general find that it is a population group who are doing well when taking higher education after end of service.
I don't know about incentivizing them to finish school.. I don't have the data to support a claim either fore or against. But I do think it is important to have a wide verity of people from all social layers and backgrounds. People who are theoretical good and people with a background more in the craftsmen field. To ensure that the army does not turn overly right winged. Its actually a reason I support conscription - I was drafted.. I had not intended to serve. I think with a volunteer basis, you start getting a specific type of person, and can create right winged echo chambers. Also you need people when they are young and healthy - It takes time to make a good soldier. I would argue it takes 2-3 years before your good at it.
Well... It all depends. There are many things that go into a households economy. Do they have a bank loan for a house? Are they living in Copenhagen area with kids and families? A place were an family friendly apartment easily can cost 3x the study benefits.
Once you have family you cant just move into a cheap study dome.. not that there seem to be a lot of them either. Do your family require a car? - cars are expensive in maintenance etc. You can easily get to a situation were the economy could spiral into debt - not to mention the "stress" that the family would have to endure while one of the adults are not bringing home a salary.
Also a lot of the "students" jobs are hard to get once you become a certain age, or unfeasible because the working hours are after you need to take the kids home from the daycare. I mean, me and my family can certainly feel that the economy has shrunken by 30% after I ran out of the Army benefits.
While it is true that if you play your cards right, you will get the economy back on the footing after graduating. But what good is that if the family split because of the induced stress of having a vulnerable economy for 3 years. And sure, you can pick an "easy" education - but should you be limited to easy educations because you chose a life in the army, and now your body is too worn, or the job has become unfulfilling?
I don't know. I think there are a lot of variables that are hard to just setup like that. All I can say is that, since CU (the army benifits) were cut from contracts in 2013 - the people who were hired on the new contracts mostly stayed 1-2 years. Slowly the number of soldiers on the old contract form dwindled, as their contracts concluded.
When I left, a significant portion of the soldiers quit every year, meaning it felt like we had to start over every year.. never getting to a excelent level. This frustrated a lot of the old soldiers - which made them seek other fields of work. And now we have a situation were the army is losing between 1000 to 2000 a year (which is a lot considering how small our army is) - the tasks are ever more.. and cracks are starting to show in the façade.
@@Ph33NIXx I have a weird bias about education. I have a masters in physics, but I'm not a fan of most long educations because I often think they either teach you very little, are to easy or teach you in a very inefficient way.
But I also work in a one of the few fields where you can get very far by being self taught. So what care about is, is can people do, learn and think.
But when I'm talking about their skills from the army I'm not talking their book skill. Because that is not really something I care that much about.
I talk about things like ability to focus and work hard on a goal. Manage your time. Take responsibility of something and finish it etc.
I don't expect them to be masters of abstract thinking. Since they haven't practiced it.
But here is the problem. The guys I know used to be with potential and be somewhat smart. But that have just gone down hill for them all since they started in the army.
On top of that I was just part of hiring interns. All in their early 20s and I honestly doubt any of my friends would have made it to the second round after the initial short interview and at least one of them study the same thing at uni.
When you have no choice, equal rights becomes inevitable😂
Funny that.
@@luciatheron1621 say that to Russia🇷🇺.
Equal rights, equal obligations
😂😂
Yes which is why this idea that we lived in extreme patriarchy where all women were allowed to do was stay at home is completely false. Most of Europe was poor between ancient times and the Industrial Revolution. Women had to earn their keep as much as men did, there was no other choice.
I'm just here for the comments...
When are you going to join the military 🪖🎖️, we need women like you.😂😂😂
I'm just here for the people who are here for the comments...
@@defectiveclone8450 & Im here for the ppl that are here for the ppl that are here for the comments.
🙌
😂@@defectiveclone8450
" it's one of the most honorable things to do... that's why we have to force everybody."
doing the right thing can often be hard to do. Hence free will makes us cowards. This is why this is good because you take your turn and earn your future spot in the society.
@@MrClindberg Yay! What's better than a future spot in society? Freedom personally. I would rather avoid the society and fight for the country and its people. Not its structures and modern slavery. I'll fight for the lives of people not for a society. Society is corrupt, evil, and falling to pieces. Society isn't worth fighting for. The people are though.
Dulce et decorum est, Pro patria mori
@@MrClindberg it is hard to do, when you dont really love your own country anymore. its harder and harder as a danish native to love what my country is becoming and forcing us to become. i have no pride or love for my country left. id rather defend Japan or Korea who still have some balls
I am from Denmark, and this is completely insane. Today women can still volunteer to military service, but over 60% of them fail or can´t complete there military service because of physical exertion or stress, and these are volunteers, the women that want to be there. Just think of how many will fail when you force them.
It's still going to be voluntary obviously. Women can never be soldiers.
Men never had an excuse or convenient way out.
This really is a step towards equality.
But really, the lady mentioned that it gives a big boost of money coming into the military. That's her reason.
Those girls will not be seeing any combat.
finally a sensible comment!
Not only that but here in America there have been numerous cases of assault and even murder of women in active service, BY OTHER (male) MEMBERS, it's not a good idea. Was just talking about this with my husband, it's easier to force people than do right by them and make them willing to die for their country. RIP LaVena Johnson, what was done to her was horrific and she should not be forgotten.
Then no one should be forced to do the service. I bet the proportion of men who suffer from stress and physical exertion is also high.
Good move Denmark. Europe needs more of this.
Yeah...that's exactly what Europe needs😂
Not just EU. We need it too (in Taiwan)
@@naguoning But 1st, Taiwan military training need to increase to 3 years instead of 4 months or 1 year.
I don't disagree but it is already not 4 months. One year but I agree not enough. @@DreamyCheshire-up9rf
Another WW3 cheerleader 🤦🏻♂️
military service and war its two big differences
Yeah a lot of people when they hear "I'm in the military" don't think hygienist or janitor lol.
not when the metal hits the meat Larry!
@@larrymunn5279
the issue does not lies into that difference. The issue lies on the hypocrisy and authoritarism of these so called "liberal democracies".
Yeah.
You just said a bunch of nothing. Doesnt matter if youre in war or not you still have to go through basic just like everyone else
Men and women should have equal opportunities for joining the army. However, conscription is authoritarian by default. Forced service is akin to forced marriage, no one should be forced to do anything most especially in the so called free world.
Many countries have mandatory military service. The country should be protected somehow. Also if you don't want to fight you can do other things like being a nurse etc in most countries. The war is not only fought with compat troops
The mind is malleable and the media is a very powerful indoctrination tool. Just because many are doing it, it doesn't make it right. As responsible human being you should question things and not just acquiesce to government rhetoric.
The total defence duty in Sweden is age 16 to 70 in war time. Training must start before there is war. If you're not a soldier it means you can't leave your work place. Or must go to a more important work. Some workers can't leave even if the area is being evacuated. Like railroad, power grid, phone workers. In war, you are not in the free world anymore. And all messages to stop fighting are false!
Diversity quotas in political offices, board rooms, attractive white collar jobs, etc are also authoritarian, yet I'm guessing you have no problem with those ? Why wouldn't equality and quotas apply everywhere else and not just in the fields that benefit one's "group"?
@@jollypolly1686 No one should be forced to do anything including employers.
Conscription equals no right to one's own life. If a country conscripts it enslaves
That has been nothing new to the human story. uncovering age old history here
Actually, you have a duty to your country that you are a citizen of. There is no right to be a free rider.
@@keto0303 Just because I happen to be born in X country doesn't mean I have any duty to it. Duty is there only when a person agrees to it. Otherwise it is exactly slavery.
@@keto0303 Yeah no you don't.
@@christofferrasmussen6533 Yes you do. You should be happy previous gens didn't have your attitude
This is a long time coming. Finally women are equally represented in wartime on the killing fields. They are strong, independent women that don’t need a man.
Congratulations
correct, they don't need you, hurts doesn't it
this is not 1800s where their fighting with swords, anyone can kill another if they have a gun and just press a button, there are even child soldiers in africa, as well serving the military can encompass a broad range of duties including logistics, intelligence, administration, technology support, your views seem antiquated on modern militaries
@pm8401
I am happy that equality puts women in the contact zone. That they share its horror and come back without body parts and a broken mind. I am overjoyed that they will understand fear and discipline. Mostly I am happy that they will understand what it’s like to be told to “get over it” when you never will. Very happy to see less men broken by war
The western civilization disintegrating 😂
@pm8401
I’m not hurt, I’m happy that females will have the same opportunities that men have had for generations. Although I would hold off celebrating just yet. Wait until the Ukrainian war is over, then go and visit the veterans of the conflict. Truly broken in body and mind. Some will never function in society again. Wounds truly deeper than flesh. I’m not hurt, neither will I be put in the way of danger to be hurt
I think we are advanced enough as a civilisation to see women with no arms and legs playing ukulele for beer money.
Damn that's dark lol
Those women will be proud to have resisted male aggression.
Not the fate of veterans in Europe though 🤣
Someone who can play ukulele with no arms and legs would get a beer from me.
No problem
Lol. Something for the next Netflix hunter games idea.
Ridiculous. Compulsory is ridiculous. For both.
Finally, a sane response.
Until you get invaded. Stop taking your current peace for granted.
@@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish the wars are fought by politicians, not between common people. those who believe otherwise are fools
@@shadowrealm3245 tell that to all the dead soldiers.
That is genuinely the most bizarre take I have ever heard.
@@Batmans_Pet_GoldfishAnd who sends those soldiers to die in said wars? Obviously not all wars are fought by politicians since the popular sentiment and general human greed can make individuals congregate and start small war-like crusades that can turn, with time, into full-scale wars, but the kind of war happening in Ukraine, for example, is basically fought by politicians, even though they don't physically fight there.
Same fitness drills and combat duty too I hope.
preach brotha
That's not gonna happen cuz then 99% of females would fail then there's no mandatory service.
Lisa Eilbacher didn't do so well getting over the wall in "Officer & a Gentleman"
As a dane, I can confirm, that it's the same
@@funnygoose2146 as a dane, I can confirm it isn't the same...
Women aren't allowed to carry the same weight as men. Which means it isn't entirely the same as men's.
Reason is, you risk injury as a woman with high weight, which is going to be a headache to deal with if someone complains that the training resulted in their injury.
Oh well. They asked for equality....
I am pro choice- to choose not to have to fight for someone else's country. Especially if it's lead by a crooked comedian.
@@josephshields2922 Have you voted for putin yet?
And country could always use more female soldiers. There are examples of female soldiers in history being absolutely above males
Yes. I'm female, I consider myself a feminist, and have served in the German military. I think either everyone or no one should be drafted.
I love how so many men complain about those evil women who just want all the rights to themselves but don't want to fight, even though they themselves have never served or if they have it was conscription and not voluntary service. People often accuse others of the things they do themselves.
@@Stan3544 He has even if he's dead.
"Diverse defence"😂😂
Ikr? 🤣🤣. Next up, disrupted defense 🤣
I also facepalmed.
More like dead on first day defense
As a woman, i fully agree. I served the military in my country. Its normal here.
Where are ya from
@@Ghostcall1914 Eritrea.
Why exclude half of the people when we need more military? It is kind of obviuous.
you people are serious 😂😂😂😂😂
because it's better avoiding to send to the frontline element of weakness - that sounds like wokeness - that make the rest of the soldier more vulnerable
Because you need that other half to repopulate your country.
So you want to send women out to die on the battlefield and you think that helps women somehow??
Why not just turn to the private sector for security instead of forcing people? It is kind of obvious.
Conscription is gross in any direction, male or female.
They can shout "co-ed conscription" as much as they want, but they will never make a woman face the terrifying reality of bullets zipping past her head in a fox hole... Approximately 100% of these women will be FAR from a conflict area in a green zone MILES away from enemy artillery range.
Actually, you have a duty to your country that you are a citizen of. There is no right to be a free rider.
@@keto0303 actually no I don't, my life belongs to me, not the polity that dominates it.
You're only saying that NOW because suddenly you're affect. If it kept men only you wouldn't complain in the first place.
Yes you do, you are part of a collective. The same way you pay tax, you are responsible for the well being of the state that you are a citizen of. It's in your interest as well. You are happy that previous generations did not have your attitude, which is why you can be spoiled today and complain that this is against your "rights". Nobody cares about your rights if there is war anyway. You have to bear the burden like everyone else because you are not special. Like people have done before you so that you can live in freedom.
A Win for Gender Equality 🎉
we all support LGBT .. fight until last man / woman ,,, lol
@@167mm167 yes! lol
We have had this in Sweden for quite some time by now. It works just fine.
It works because Sweden hasn't seen a major war in decades
@@borgyohyou mean in Hundreds of years
How many wars has Sweden fought since the Congo in the 1950s when it did not use women. Everything works fine until it is actually tested!
So females are in first line? Or just administrative toles?
"No plan ever survives its first encounter with the enemy." - Douglas MacArthur
Congratulation to Denmark. My brother became much more disciplined after the military service and I wish the same could have happened to me that only latter in life felt the need to become more organized.
Knew a guy who signed up but then broke his arm on purpose to get out early. 🤦🏼♀️
Excellent. Both women and men have the right and obligation to defend their country.
💯
It isn't about equal rights - women have had the right to serve in the danish military since the 1970's, they've just not been forced to do so, contrary to men.
I have been through danish conscription and I expect women to still have preference treatment even when they are conscipted. The girls was given very much some slacks if they can not attain the same level of physical strength. What ends up is men will do the fighting and dying, women will probably do the supporting. Im not against this or anything, but I want to prove that true equality in everything is BS. Men and women are different.
I have been through conscription as well, and majority of the time we were just rotting in our barracs or doing some sentry tasks. Sure basic training is tough, but it ends relatively fast then the boredom comes. Conscripts arent held to the standards of the professional military anyway. BTW I was there too, they needed someone who could code in basics, I applied so I sticked for a while, it was entirely different serving there. But theres a misunderstanding in people about these structures, although I worked in military RnD, it was a basic requirement, that I could handle the duty of a basic grunt anytime, theres no such thing as "truckdriver" in military, the onlyones who arent required to be able to fight are medics and priests.
I agree with an earlier comment that not all people, men or women, are suited for military life, including the group culture, discipline, hierarchy and "unlimited risk" that goes along with front-line roles. The key question is how both women and men can contribute to national defence. If conscription returns more widely in other countries, then some form of mandatory service (including the alternative of civil or support service) for all young women and men (barring health issues) should be required. The real point is that burden-sharing has to be felt to be real, across all levels and classes in society. For example, going to university or other form of higher education should not be a reason to avoid mandatory service. There should be no exceptions for the wealthy, the influential or the well-connected, and certainly no way to "buy yourself out" of the service.
We have national service where i'm from. There are other civilian oriented routes for service like in the civil defence or the police force. You get roles like medics, nurses, admins, logistics, cyber security, firefighters, constables. Usually enlistees from religious backgrounds or pursuing religious studies will be funneled to these roles(non-firearm only). There are of course non-combat roles in the military but they still are required to undergo combat training which is much tougher in addition to firearm training so these aren't feasible. The military is still the huge majority though but there are alternatives that are proven to work for the society.
There's also no discrimination between social classes when it comes to service here. You can defer for higher education but will need to serve after. Even if you're rich or famous, you have to serve or you'll serve in prison. Those that flee overseas to avoid duty can't return to the country or they get jailed when they return. Those with health issues or disabilities still serve(in civil roles mostly) unless it severe then you're exempted. However that's all very dependent on the level of corruption in your country which Denmark shouldn't be having an issue with. On occasion there is favoritism within service if you're the child of a politician for example. I've seen that to an extend. The only ones that do not serve are expats, foreigner workers that work and live here with their families, which have been a point of contention as they get all the benefits without having to serve.
Educated people get a pass because we want to ensure that we have a quality workforce after the war. It's a practical matter that is for the greater good, not a matter of fairness.
The people that escalate or vote for the war go first. Just like teaching a puppy or a toddler; the consequences [of promoting war] need to be proximal to the causes of the war
Buy-outs should be legal but they all should be expensive and in public registry so voters know which political candidates dodged conscription. Otherwise it’s just a recipe for rampant corruption in medical examination.
First line of defense against Russia: Ukraine
Second line: European women
Third: LGBTQ+ battalions
1. Furry wave attacks
2. LGBTQ+ human wave attacks
💯👍
As a woman I would HATE this but I'm sure men haven't exactly been thrilled about doing compulsory military service. What's fair is fair, this is true equality.
Denmark is about to have the most traditional women in Europe.
😂
KEKW
Equal rights, even when it doesn't benefit you.
Absolutely
Good! Next, legal protection for men who aren’t ready to have kids 😊
Based
Then don't stick it in ... its that simple or don't you know how babies are made????
@@dodgygoose3054he won't stick it in you buddy. Relax.
@@dodgygoose3054 then don't be spreading your legs for everyone/anyone. You know women have much more control in this department. Just saying there are a lot of dads who thought they were wearing protection.
there already exists such a protection, it is called a condom...
I wonder if this includes women of all faiths. . .
It's not. Just like men, som faiths/religions groups are excused.
@@b.v.nielsen8714 Which ones? I don't see religion mentioned once in the law about the draft. However we haven't actually drafted anyone in Denmark in 2023 or 2022, there has been enough volunteers each year to meet the quota, so it hasn't been necessary, and the last 10 years before that, it has been 95%+ volunteers. So it isn't really about getting more soldiers, it's just a natural step, the real issue in the military is budgets and equipment - if they get that, maybe they can start retaining people for longer, just churning more people through the system, isn't going to fix that system, if it's fundamentally broken.
Well , women fought in many wars before so it's not something new. The soviets had amazing women snipers... So...
Yes, but 90%+ of a fighting force is male.
If you ask the avarage female on the street, most are very much unwilling to enter an active combat zone and enter a fighting force. Neither would the majority of men.
@@chef7658Respect.
They did that out of desperation though, not because women are necessarily capable fighters. And obviously they made them snipers, because in a close combat setting, they'd get crushed by the male enemies.
@@chef7658yes, but as a woman, I think all (males and females) should be educated and trained for a war. Men and Women, no ones likes war, it's obvious, but therefore you could have a really prepared citizens
@@envy811 i 100 % agree
Good. Conscription for national service should include everyone. The specific training and duties can be matched to people based on best fit for abilities and needs.
They haven’t been leaving the military they where kicked out of the military.
Because the government would have to pay more for each enlisted soldier.
You are not allowed to join the “military” beyond a certain age and you are not allowed to stay
Only part of that which is true is that they pay more for enlisted soldiers. But they didn't kick people out, they have a limited budget and can only hire a limited number of people, ergo some people got told, we can't afford you. because of all the cutbacks, which they are trying to remedy now.
You can join the military at any age where you can complete the fitness test required to be in the military.
@@Kemachris No. I realize I do a very poor job explaining any underlying social/ and actual laws- the difference between them and how it differs from country to country
I think every country should do this. At least teach people medical care and survival techniques that would come in handy in accidents and natural disasters.
But it is NOT taught in schools. And not the army, just some kind of national service organization. @@kate57425
this is taught in schools in my country (a first world southern hemisphere country) so if it's not in your country, that should be addressed towards your local political administrator/govt.@@kate57425
This. In my country both men and women must do at least military education in school and that actually helps a lot in life. I'm shocked at the amount of resentment, sarcasm and pathetic attempts at "gotcha" moments in the comments. This sort fo change NEVER comes without public support (especially in a country like Denmark), so it's beyond me why people think that women would be against it.
why do you have to be taught by a government program? You cant read? This is something you can do on your own. Just shows how reliant people have become on big daddy gov. TEACH YOURSELF its not hard.
@@johnfisher8401 Yeah, in a perfect world--- all we need is the golden rule and rainbows and butterflies.
When have the masses ever done the right thing without persuasion? Even "God" could not make people do the right thing.
Glad to see that they are upping this from 4 months to 11. I can't believe they were operating with 4 months up til now - that's barely time for anything beyond basic training.
I'm open to co ed conscription - there are certainly ways to implement this that will make sense.
Yeah, I was surprised about the 4 months as well. Here in Germany, the minimum time you can join the military is 7 months, and when there still was conscription, it was more than that.
The 4 months are exactly the basics. After the 4 months you can sign up for an additional 8 months of more specialized training, after which you can sign a long term contract and be transferred to a standing unit.
In recent years, volunteers have made up 90-95% of conscription intake, of whom upwards of 25% are women.
Few women opt for the additional 8 months though, and even fewer sign on afterwards.
Thats why its called "basic training" 😂
This is a massive step for society. It should build a stronger, more united population and also more respectful. We've seen the importance of a female military force both in Syria/Iraq and Pakistan and the moral effect it has on the enemy. And let me tell you, there's nothing more fearsome than a woman fighting for her family and those under her protection.
Why didn't you mention Afganistan?
The sarcasm is palpable.
LOL 😂
@@IronWarrior86 there's no sarcasm
Hot take: nobody should be conscripted into the military against their will
If you want the right to vote for people who decide on wars, you should also bear the consequences for those decisions. That'd incentivize people to think more wisely who they vote in. You probably have no problem with the use of force when it comes to enforcing diversity quotas in board rooms and political offices. Well that should apply everywhere else, not just when it benefits your "group".
how is the argument "conscript everyone" not "don't conscript anyone"? wtf?
Because Denmark is actually facing a serious military threat from Russia.
Because when s*** hits the fan, through no fault of your own even, you need to be able to protect yourself.
Because war is at their doorstep and this isn't their first rodeo... History repeats themselves and they want to be ready to defend themselves. I don't see these women going on the offensive
@@opiter5787No it isn't...the conflict in Ukraine is about the west meddling in a country Russia CLEARLY laid out as a redline...there is absolutely no evidence Russia has imperial ambitions...they just don't want NATO up their butt for obvious and rational reasons.
"guys, I have an idea, if we just don't agree to shoot at anybody then nobody will ever shoot at us!"
You're a genius, I can't believe nobody thought of this before.
I never thought equality would go this far. This will change nature at a faster rate.
As a exMil shocktrooper sergeant that has trained both men and women for similar roles. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
For one, if war breaks out. You wont have tiny unfit men or women in the offensive roles. Secondly, most tasks in the military is not combat related. Thirdly, allot of the combat related tasks are done in vehicles. Fourthly, if you do get into a combat role you will be trained by people like me and I am not your brother or father!
@@Lobos222Well, you guys like to punish your cadets for the dumbest reasons and the smartest questions.
@@masterarthius8752 You assumptions are based on what? Halo games or Telegram posts? LoL, grow up.
@@Lobos222 They are based on stories my father told me about the time he served in the army.
@@Lobos222Your being willfully ignorant, if there is a draft majority of the roles will be combat related. Literally every military studies show that in order to have women in the military they have to lower the bar of entry. Some women fail tests and are still let in.
Good.
Where do I sign up?- been asking around for years!
Women in Denmark has been able to volunteer for conscription for years now, and some do.
Just now they are forced just as the men.
If you are in Denmark, you could have volunteered years ago. You just had to lift a finger to find out how. You can still volunteer now and get to the front of the line before your notice arrives. You got this!
Women has been able to join the military for many years.. These are clearly 99% bot comments..
Also don't forget to fight on the front lines, girl!
It's not a choice lol.
2:27 we know why soldiers are leaving the military service. When the government forsake them after all the service they did!😂
Let's talk about accountability! The older generation, who enjoyed stability and comfort, now has the nerve to demand examples from the young generation? It's time to call out this hypocrisy.
The time for words has passed. It's time to radically change things.
Excellent in-depth reporting
I'd prefer no country have compulsory militarily service but this is the next best option.
I prefer world peace.
@@vaccinatedanti-vaxxer same.
The U.S. needs to start drafting women also.
Y’all realize they aren’t actually going to see battle, right? There are lots of jobs in the military where you don’t do combat… They’ve been doing this in other countries for a while now.
Shhh don’t let these little boys excited in the comments go sad
The military needs equal representation, including on the frontlines. If 500 males are deployed on the frontline, then 500 females should also be deployed in similar roles. No country requires conscription; what it truly needs is equal representation across all positions.
This is insane
I hope Ukraine will also follow Denmark, Norway, and Sweden in passing a law that requires both men and women to serve in the military equally, which can boost its defense capabilities.
ukraine is not a feminist country
They do in Ukraine.. They are all out of bodies for the front...They have a press-gang who kidnap anyone they see to draft them into the army... It's brutal...Just like the English in the Age of Sail!
Who is going take care of kids? Women with children get exempt? Rich nations already have low birth rates and people in the comments are talking about sending women to the frontlines that would mean dead and injures, without women a nation can’t reborn.
Israel has 2 years obligatory military service training for both women and men for a lot of time
Ukraine and Denmark women have nothing in common
@@santostv. Orphanages or the rest of Europe can take care of the children? Or the old grandparents?
I served in the Danish army for some years, back in the early 2000’s.
There were 4 women in our 30 man platoon - they were just as badass and awesome as all the rest of the platoon members 🤘🏻
This is an awesome move
So they basically became men.
@@ilsedemolder3973 no they became soldiers
How much combat experience?
@@Norseraider84 that's a good joke.
Hope She Sees This Bro
Overall its a good thing. Now competent, qualifying men should be mainstreamed into proffesions like baby sitting, nanny, nursery teaching etc
They already are 🤦
@@divx1001 depends on where you are in the world. Where I am men are not trusted with jobs entailing little children, its been this way for ages...it's believed men are not trustworthy and responsible around little kids. But I'm happy that where you are this is not the case and total equality has been attained.
Where I am from daycares and kindergartens don't hire men nor do famillies hire male nannies so u can forget about such careers if you are a man irregardless of your track record, character or qualifications. But again I'm happy Where you are there is total equality.
@@divx1001 depends where you live. Where I'm from men are defacto barred from engaging in proffesions involving caretaking of little children especially little girls. Famillies never hire male nannies and famillies uncomfortable of male kindergarten teachers. I gave up applting for kindergarten positions with one headmistress personally apologising to me that despite my impressive cv and passion all her staff were female. But I'm happy Denmark at fore front of total equality.
i'm wondering how this diverse new world will react to the first couple of dozen of its daughters coming back in body bags.
What do you mean? The reaction should be the same as if they were sons.
@@Thesamurai1999 what planet are u from? there is NO WAY that people react the same to either sex. why do u think the media show "women and children victims" when they are pushing whichever narrative war story is flavour of the month?
@@Thesamurai1999wrong
Unintended effect will be higher birth rate. Why you ask? When women in my countrys military didn’t want to go on deployment they’d get pregnant so they’d be declared unfit.
agree
Finally, some actual equality taking place
Why talk to her, she knows nothing about the situation
Imagine a woman in a Burka running towards you. She'll put 300 soldiers on a run.
or died
she would dead before she said "allah kebarar"
Just install a large fan.
Wind resistance will put an end to that Burqa Brigade
taliban had all the USAF running
this is real satire lmfao
A few numbers:
# 18 year olds: 70187
# of draftees is going from 4700 to 5000
So 1 in 14 is going to be drafted.
The real change is the 11 month service, coming from 4 months.
I think the service should be everyone, but only 2 -4 weeks not take a whole year of someone unlucky who draws a bad numbers life. It shouldn't be "service" it should be basic training/boot camp. Weapons, first aid, basic communications/hand signals and basic survival skills, thats it. Conscientious peaceful objectors that refuse to handle a firearm can sit peacefully in a jail cell for 3 months instead if that's what they choose.
@@AusKipper1 interesting idea. I think longer is needed
These numbers are ridiculous
At Adiivka there were 50,000 Russians only for that attack
those crafty conscientious objector types get to live, those who don't have a critical thought, get to fill mass graves. LOL@@AusKipper1
@@AusKipper1 you realise it takes more than just 2-4 weeks to train someone to be a soldier, being a soldier isn't just weapons, first aid, basic coms and hand signals, basic survival skills is not enough, especially depending on branch, there's a reason there's different serving times for something like the army to the royal guard
"No, actually, i do like to be traditional woman" - woman who dont want to be draft.
draft the children next, then you can completely defeat the purpose of wanting to serve.
Lolwut
You have got to be kidding me.
Simp.
As a feminist, this is fair tbh. If a person can do the job they should be able to do the job, no matter their gender. If it's mandatory for men it should be mandatory for women. Or if it isn't for women, it shouldn't be for men, either one or the other are fair.
I'm not feminist but I agree with this law. 50 percent of the military should be women and 50 percent of war casualties should be women. Ladies we thank you in advance for your sacrifice.
it would be fair if men could give birth as well
@@demran17 you're saying in 2024, men can't give births? That's transphobic and false.
Finally a true feminist.
@@VoidStar6900 who will never have to practice what she preaches.
Escalations like these are hard to deescalate.
I hope this has a tremendous impact in empowering women
strength, discipline, self worth from knowing yourself
this will lift women up while simultaneously protecting the country
while you do nothing
@@pm8401 Who hurt you bro?😂
It could result in women trying to change the army which would be a downside.
Not to forget combat training
They are going to flee to avoid it
Sooo who are we fighting by the way.
Not fighting at all is kind of the point.
The enemy.
Women are fighting for the country where they have all these rights and until recently no responsabilities that match them. Men are fighting for having less rights than women and keeping them safe. Men have to option to leave that country, they lose nothing of value for them. Women HAVE to fight. There are not that many countries that treat them that well.
Bankers and their brown biological weapons.
anyone wondering about battles of attrition?
Sounds like it's time to consider getting a new foreign minister...
Lol definitely guilty of wrongthink
Equality, Good for them other democratic countries should follow suit.
conscription is slavery, slavery is undemocratic
@@doltBmB If the majority of the people decide on mandatory service, it is democratic.
@@MrHellweasel tyranny of the majority is not democracy
@@MrHellweaselimagine if they decide on slavery 😂😂😂
@@doltBmByou do realize that originally you have to sign a draft or own a land if you want to vote.
This world is getting crazier. Good luck for ladies with undetected endometriosis!
I'm sure that those 3-4% that require treatment would be dismissed from future duty, when detected. Anyway, there's a lot of volunteering women already, I don't think this will do any difference in the bigger picture.
It's crazy that women are expected to serve their country in an equal manner to men?
Equality is not just about things that benefit you. Although that is how we've been operating so far.
I know a lot women would want to be here, as long as the men will not sexually harrass them.
To be fair; it's the training period we're talking about. It translates to slightly more conscripts in the tail end, and more volunteers in the toothy end.
Now thats some fair play!
It shouldn’t be women, too. It should be women only.
Men have had the responsibility of protecting the homeland in armed combat since the dawn of human civilization.
As a progressive and inclusive modern society, there exists a responsibility and a duty to correct and balance out this injustice.
We need to bridge the 99.9999% male combat casualty gap.
Can’t help but wonder what the rules for service are. What exceptions there are. Lots of armies simply won’t take those who don’t perform above a certain physical or mental level. If you are particularly unfit could you avoid being called up? Or is it just for those who suffer with some physical or mental illness who may avoid it.
Both, there's no way you should go
Dodge the draft like the fower plower
And I want to see them at the front along with men, not having favoritism.
In the Netherlands both boys and girls receive a letter from the Defense Secretary on their 18th birthday informing them that they are now liable for military service and may be called up at any moment. National service is still on the statute books and only the duty to report for initial training has been suspended. Restoring it requires only the signature of the Defense Secretary on a single document.
Women in denmark majorily wanted this btw, this is not a slap to anyones wrist. Danish women are strong and also respectful.
If you are from denmark you know this isn't true or you live in Copenhagen the woke capital of denmark
cool. now it's time for American women.
this isn't true
Haha who? where?
You have not been in the army i see
Nice move. It also makes conscription a lot more fun for the young people.
Good, although it would even be better is Ms Fredericsen would volunteer for frontline duties, just to know what she is proposing.
I don't know about this. Society in general isn't raising healthy civilian's, not to mention soldiers. This feels a bit like running before you can walk.
It also feels a little desperate. If you can't recruite more men, women will do.
Not to mention, how are they going to cope with women's needs, like period pads and tampons? What about Rape, contraceptives, and unwanted pregnancies?
I don't know how good soldier training can be. I don't know how they'll cope with product shortages (which could be an extreme weakness). Imagining woman bleeding from bellow on the battlefield is quite scary to me.
Feel free to quote more facts (maybe I need to watch this again) but I think feeling uneasy about this is okay.
I disagree!!
I get the concept but this is not going to result in a more lethal military. Gotta pick your battles wisely.
Same as in Norway did when my year when into Military, luckiliy I had no interest in wasting my time in the military and didnt have to go✌🏽
Equal right, equal left.
- Mike Tyson, probably.
😂 stay woke young ladies
Oh look a conservative,must be the last one of the season
@@mateabonyi299 I’m not conservative, I got enough labels Ty
@mateabonyi299 i see you haven't missed your soy
So they quickly started paying their part? As citizens are being drafted so should law makers and politicians, that would give young people a boost of confidence.
We've had this in Norway for years
*How many women of the "new Danish people" group will be drafted?*
Dont be silly. Dont give weapons to the enemy infiltrators. Dont give terrorists a cutting edge weaponry.....
All of them of course
"A more modern and diverse defense that reflects the time we live in." Yeah, DEI is way more important that capable soldiers. Russia approves of this message.
The USSR was one of the first countries to introduce female conscription in 1938, you know. It seemed to work out for them.
@@MeeesterBond17to be fair, 20+ million Russian military casualties
They just kept throwing people at the front lines
@@hhhhhhhhh1071 It's a little more complicated than that - the "Enemy At The Gates" scene certainly wasn't a tactic used in the later years of the war, except in punishment battalions. Early on things were pretty desperate, so it happened more than once. Point is, many men and women served with distinction in the Red Army without being in a human wave attack, the army had evolved into an effective fighting force by 1945, and nobody said Stalin was "going woke". Of course, that's because it would have got them shot, but the point still stands.
@@MeeesterBond17talking about the earlier war btw, before they put together enough of an army to push the axis back