I was in music class in the 8th grade in about 1967. The teacher played this and called a Pacific 231 " A kind of train." My friend George, also a train buff looked at me and we both raised our eyebrows at our ignoramus of a teacher.
“Stanley said Pacific 231 was one of the most perfectly edited, if not the most perfectly edited films, he had ever seen. Not only that but also the way Mitry melded the cutting with Honegger’s music. He thought it was a knockout. “I’d seen the film just before going to work for Stanley and was always going on about it. He wanted to see it and I borrowed a 16mm print from the BFI.” - Anthony Frewin, assistant to Kubrick
Les caméras "embarquées" sont très efficaces et pour l'époque ce devait être un véritable challenge. Reste l'incomparable musique d'Honneger, magistrale !
Thank you so much for this posting. I've not seen this film in oh so many years. We used to watch it at the Twin City Model Railroad Club in Saint Paul. And I had my own copy of it on 16mm sound film. I thought that I would never see again. Again thank you.
A crossing of two of my life loves - trains and symphonic music! Bravo! At Cannes in '49 no less. Think about the cameras they had to hang off the wheels of those trains!!
Dommage qu' il n' y ait pas plus de commentaires en français... Ce qui dénote un intérêt manifeste de ceux qui le parlent pour la chose ferroviaire ! Ceci-dit, je suis tombé sur ce bijoux par hasard, n' étant pas un fan de vidéos... Superbe !
A masterpiece in the arts of film and music; sheer drama on rails - womderful ! I hope I find it with a better sound-quality though... Thanks a lot for posting this gem !
The last time I saw this was as a freshman in a music appreciation class at Southern Illinois University, 1962 or '63. "Pacific 231" is probably the most literal musical composition ever written. As an experiment, the piece should be heard by someone who has never encountered it before and knows nothing about it: what would such a person make of this work?
At least we now have got the Net so that anything happening before (whatever ideological "epoc") cannot be erased for everybody because "The Party" said so !
La pacific 231 la plus belle locomotive du monde la plus performante a tracter les trains de légende. La 231 un chef d oeuvre sur rail c etait le rêve de tout mecaniciens et chauffeurs titulaires de la conduire .
Great! Großartig! Magnifique! :) Tolle visuelle Umsetzung der Musik, kongeniale Leistung! Bin ganz begeistert. Vor allem die Filmtechnik, Kamera und Schnitt, super gemacht! Danke für's Hochladen!
The original mono soundtrack has only been recorded on the left-hand audio channel. Would have twice the impact on stereo speakers if it been dubbed also to the right channel, which is silent. Switch your stereo playback to "mono" when viewing to get the full effect.
Excelente video de la composición del poema sinfónico de Honegger (año, 1923) y llevada a la pantalla años después. Gracias a Wouter Van Belle por subir este excelente video.
Si la 231 originale avait déjà cette performance, alors c'était tout à son honneur ! Le modèle revu par Chapelon, a du être BRIDE (!!!) à 130 km/h...parce que c'était la vitesse maximale des lignes de la SNCF à l'époque. Plusieurs modèles de record/d'essai ont dépassé les 200 km/h.
I have been privileged to have worked with steam locomotives and I believe that others like me realize and understand how these machines take on a life and personality all their own. The makers of this film also have that understanding and have married their film and this outstanding accompanying music to share with us the beauty and strength of these machines.
Wow! Amazing, fantastic, marvellous TECHNOLOGY! Yes, but from where we are today, crude- and irresponsible in where we reach for energy to power our movement of people and freight. Marvellous technology for that time!
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Otro emblemático ejemplo de música descriptiva en el siglo XX y muy bello acompañamiento visual.
I think this is the best presentation of this iconic video. For context, try reading Stephen Spender's 1939 poem "The Express" just before watching the film. At about 2:30 min, you can hear/see/feel the first lines of the poem but, after that, Honegger and Mitry are on their own and not trying in any way to follow "The Express. And yet, at the very end, the two seem to come back together - in repose. I imagine most people who read this know that "231" is the European way of designating the locomotive classes. They just count the axles and not the wheels so a 2-3-1 over there is a 4-6-2 here. One of the nicest 4-6-2's in operation today is number 425 of the Reading, Blue Mountain, and Northern. It's called a "light" Pacific which means that it was designed from the outset for passenger work. Check it out.
Just think everything we just saw in that film is gone now ,scrapped ,tore down ,changed somehow or deceased and time moves on ,,pretty soon we will all be gone .
I have always thought that the title referred to a Pacific series 231 (or 462) locomotive. not any particular engine. Honegger wriote the music in 1923 and Pacific series locomotives were very common all over the world
First of all, Leonard Bernstein's rather curious rendition of Roy Harris Third Symphony makes him a questionable yardstick for authenticity of performance. Second, this IS the score (buy it - I did) - it is just that in order to fill out some additional time, some sections are repeated twice over. Finally - Honneger conducts this film (read the credits). He obviously wrote the changes into the score himself or approved them. It doesn't matter if it doesn't follow the published version.
Je me rappelle encore les déplacements matinaux vers le lycée (il y a bientôt 30 ans !) à l'époque les gares françaises n'étaient pas encore devenues une espèce de terrain de chasse pour fous adeptes du film "Birds of Prey" (pertes humaines incluses) et le spectacle le plus impressionnant étant de voir les BB diesels se "réveiller" en crachant le feu telles des dragons que même les effets spéciaux actuels n'arriveraient pas à simuler...UNE HEURE pour le départ d'une loco vers l'arrimage d'un train (heure pendant laquelle elle reniflait, crachait, criait, hurlait, et "lance-flamait" tout son content, bien sur)
Mr Hunter, If you get this will you please reply. Only here, and do not tag me with the REPLY feature or the + because I assure you I will find the post. I made a new circle and called it 'Questioning Minds' and checked only you in it to ward off, as you put it, "Keystone Kops" ""You seem to have attached yourself to them to attain some sad and illusory kudos. Like someone who is proud of being a member of the Keystone Kops.""
@@hugos5114 Yep. This one shown did not run away from the cutter's torch. Meanwhile, it's 2 siblings 3.1192 & 3.1123 escaped the yard being preserved. 😃
Cela ne nous rajeunit pas Petite j ai voyage dans ces trains a vapeur Quand la grosse machine arrivait je me cachais dans la robe de ma mère bisoùs Bisous😅
Possibly the best ever piece of classical music depicting a railway locomotive. It's a classic.
Not as good as the English Coranation Scot!
Fenêtre sur un passé tout proche...qui nous manque...Remarquable documentaire sur la vapeur ! Et quelle bande son !
A hidden gem. With marvelous film and music. The great Andre Chapelon Pacifics.
Me too. I would buy 3.1192 soon.
I don't know why but I watched this so many times as a kid. That was like 12 years ago. And right know 2024 I finally found it.
Be happy, you can enjoy
I was in music class in the 8th grade in about 1967. The teacher played this and called a Pacific 231 " A kind of train." My friend George, also a train buff looked at me and we both raised our eyebrows at our ignoramus of a teacher.
“Stanley said Pacific 231 was one of the most perfectly edited, if not the most perfectly edited films, he had ever seen. Not only that but also the way Mitry melded the cutting with Honegger’s music. He thought it was a knockout.
“I’d seen the film just before going to work for Stanley and was always going on about it. He wanted to see it and I borrowed a 16mm print from the BFI.” - Anthony Frewin, assistant to Kubrick
I was studying at the Alliance Francaise in Paris when Honneger died. TV news played this film as a tribute.
Phantastisch umgesetzt. Die perfekte Pacific für Honeggers Meisterwerk! Großartiges Gesamtkunstwerk!
We watched this in music class in the1960s. I could still remember some of the great shots!
Les caméras "embarquées" sont très efficaces et pour l'époque ce devait être un véritable challenge. Reste l'incomparable musique d'Honneger, magistrale !
Thank you so much for this posting. I've not seen this film in oh so many years. We used to watch it at the Twin City Model Railroad Club in Saint Paul. And I had my own copy of it on 16mm sound film. I thought that I would never see again. Again thank you.
A crossing of two of my life loves - trains and symphonic music! Bravo! At Cannes in '49 no less. Think about the cameras they had to hang off the wheels of those trains!!
Even without the spectacular music, this film contains the finest footage of the great 231E that I've seen anywhere.
2 are now saved for posterity. It's actually a Nord Chapelon Pacific @Paul Caswell.
Beauté technique, beauté musicale, beauté cinématographique ! BRAVO!
Dommage qu' il n' y ait pas plus de commentaires en français... Ce qui dénote un intérêt manifeste de ceux qui le parlent pour la chose ferroviaire !
Ceci-dit, je suis tombé sur ce bijoux par hasard, n' étant pas un fan de vidéos...
Superbe !
C quoi. Un film ou un documentaire
A masterpiece in the arts of film and music; sheer drama on rails - womderful !
I hope I find it with a better sound-quality though...
Thanks a lot for posting this gem !
Extraordinaires prises de vue !
The last time I saw this was as a freshman in a music appreciation class at Southern Illinois University, 1962 or '63. "Pacific 231" is probably the most literal musical composition ever written. As an experiment, the piece should be heard by someone who has never encountered it before and knows nothing about it: what would such a person make of this work?
this was watched in the 60s in School.. Im in 2020 and have to listen to this
me too
Me too
same :))
At least we now have got the Net so that anything happening before (whatever ideological "epoc") cannot be erased for everybody because "The Party" said so !
La pacific 231 la plus belle locomotive du monde la plus performante a tracter les trains de légende. La 231 un chef d oeuvre sur rail c etait le rêve de tout mecaniciens et chauffeurs titulaires de la conduire .
The Old Man told me about this years ago. What an utterly fantastic piece of cinema.
Great! Großartig! Magnifique! :) Tolle visuelle Umsetzung der Musik, kongeniale Leistung! Bin ganz begeistert. Vor allem die Filmtechnik, Kamera und Schnitt, super gemacht! Danke für's Hochladen!
The original mono soundtrack has only been recorded on the left-hand audio channel. Would have twice the impact on stereo speakers if it been dubbed also to the right channel, which is silent. Switch your stereo playback to "mono" when viewing to get the full effect.
A great film, fantastic locomotives and the music is fab
Des machines et des hommes qui ne sont maintenant plus de ce monde. Nostalgie.
Hon hon oui oui baguette
Filmé dune façon très moderne, j'aime ce montage très dynamique, sans paroles ni commentaires, rythmé par la musique. Pas étonné de cette récompense.
Simply wonderful.
This piece is mentioned in Dr. Oliver Sachs' book "Musicophilia" about the neurology and psychology of music.
Excelente video de la composición del poema sinfónico de Honegger (año, 1923) y llevada a la pantalla años después. Gracias a Wouter Van Belle por subir este excelente video.
+José Manuel Ballesteros Peralta t ez mek
A.Honegger : 2:40 !
Very impressive!
Elle se déplacer à 120 km/h de moyenne ! Impressionnantes images et musique appropriée !!
Si la 231 originale avait déjà cette performance, alors c'était tout à son honneur ! Le modèle revu par Chapelon, a du être BRIDE (!!!) à 130 km/h...parce que c'était la vitesse maximale des lignes de la SNCF à l'époque. Plusieurs modèles de record/d'essai ont dépassé les 200 km/h.
qu'elles belles prises de vues pour cette loco bravo et le musique vas bien avec
Wunderschön! Wie ich die Dampflokomotiven liebe!!!
I have been privileged to have worked with steam locomotives and I believe that others like me realize and understand how these machines take on a life and personality all their own. The makers of this film also have that understanding and have married their film and this outstanding accompanying music to share with us the beauty and strength of these machines.
wooooooooow!!!!! this is amazing!!! the best interpretation ever!!!
AMAZING editing!
Great, the end with the breathing of the locomotive`s air pump...it seems to belong to the movie!
Wow! Amazing, fantastic, marvellous TECHNOLOGY! Yes, but from where we are today, crude- and irresponsible in where we reach for energy to power our movement of people and freight. Marvellous technology for that time!
Otro emblemático ejemplo de música descriptiva en el siglo XX y muy bello acompañamiento visual.
Souvenirs,souvenirs.J'avais 6 ans.
Es una gran producción para una música muy buena!!!
I think this is the best presentation of this iconic video. For context, try reading Stephen Spender's 1939 poem "The Express" just before watching the film. At about 2:30 min, you can hear/see/feel the first lines of the poem but, after that, Honegger and Mitry are on their own and not trying in any way to follow "The Express. And yet, at the very end, the two seem to come back together - in repose. I imagine most people who read this know that "231" is the European way of designating the locomotive classes. They just count the axles and not the wheels so a 2-3-1 over there is a 4-6-2 here. One of the nicest 4-6-2's in operation today is number 425 of the Reading, Blue Mountain, and Northern. It's called a "light" Pacific which means that it was designed from the outset for passenger work. Check it out.
Im 98 Yers old
It's a great song love it
2020г. карантин и дистанционное обучение,задание по музыке привет)
And the oscar goes to... The train. :/
Magnifique!!!
Just think everything we just saw in that film is gone now ,scrapped ,tore down ,changed somehow or deceased and time moves on ,,pretty soon we will all be gone .
Which yet survives
Stamped on these lifeless things
Good film. Interesting.
Merveilleux!
+Pierre Bouchard ta gueule
tg
+AXTYR tg
+noah posay ptn noah t'as pas vie..
+Jean prd lol
un déni générique!
magnifique
This is definitely one of the movies of all time
L'ambiance ! 🚂
As far as I remember it's :
L'orchestre de la Suisse Romande.
I'm Using this for the memorabilia video.
Super song
I have always thought that the title referred to a Pacific series 231 (or 462) locomotive. not any particular engine. Honegger wriote the music in 1923 and Pacific series locomotives were very common all over the world
Indeed, but from Mitry's standpoint the best representation of pacifics he had were these
First of all, Leonard Bernstein's rather curious rendition of Roy Harris Third Symphony makes him a questionable yardstick for authenticity of performance.
Second, this IS the score (buy it - I did) - it is just that in order to fill out some additional time, some sections are repeated twice over.
Finally - Honneger conducts this film (read the credits). He obviously wrote the changes into the score himself or approved them. It doesn't matter if it doesn't follow the published version.
I wonder if John Williams had seen this film before a young Steven Spielberg asked him to score a film about a shark…
Is it just me or one of the main riffs sound like a 2-3-1 wheel arrangement passing over an unequal rail joint...
Great !
+A. Penkina tg t ez
Gives a feeling of motion. Enough to throw up.
You are correct. I should have said the largest mass produced locomotive.
cool
A une époque où prendre le train faisait rêver !
+Pierre Quideau tg t ez
Je me rappelle encore les déplacements matinaux vers le lycée (il y a bientôt 30 ans !) à l'époque les gares françaises n'étaient pas encore devenues une espèce de terrain de chasse pour fous adeptes du film "Birds of Prey" (pertes humaines incluses) et le spectacle le plus impressionnant étant de voir les BB diesels se "réveiller" en crachant le feu telles des dragons que même les effets spéciaux actuels n'arriveraient pas à simuler...UNE HEURE pour le départ d'une loco vers l'arrimage d'un train (heure pendant laquelle elle reniflait, crachait, criait, hurlait, et "lance-flamait" tout son content, bien sur)
Why I watch this till the end ? But enjoyed
Because of the music? Pacific 231 was a huge success and inspired Prokofiev to do his symphony 2
manifique!
2:45 Lil' shortcut to the music! :)
2:45
Could anyone tell me how can I find Mitry's film called 'Images pour Debusy'?? Was it lost or does it still exists?
i only hear it on the left tho :/
In Flik's Musical Adventure At Disney's Animal Kingdom, scene 3:15 - 3:17 is shown.
Le film me donne le tournis, mais la 231 était elle si bien que ça ? Je pense plutôt à un film publicitaire.
les 231 E étaient en effet de très bonnes machines, et les meilleures Pacific que la France a connu.
Looks like a Paris-Orleans 3500 rebuilt by Chapelon.
It's actually a Nord Pacific. The bad news is that this one's scrapped. The good thing is that 2 survived.
I wish the audio could be remastered…the music is a half-step too high.
I'll put the credit of this video.
Metric montage or ritmic?
L'antécédent "classique" au Trans Europe Express de Kraftwerk, en somme...
2:41
OK, the shots of the trains are great, but what happened to the goddam music?
Mr Hunter, If you get this will you please reply. Only here, and do not tag me with the REPLY feature or the + because I assure you I will find the post. I made a new circle and called it 'Questioning Minds' and checked only you in it to ward off, as you put it, "Keystone Kops"
""You seem to have attached yourself to them to attain some sad and illusory kudos. Like someone who is proud of being a member of the Keystone Kops.""
Music????
The Pacific 231 (or 462 as it is known here in the U.S. ) was the largest locomotive built.
The Big Boy, the 241, the Chapelon 242 A1 were all bigger.
@JessicaFaerosi Well, B is for Bad.
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Félicitations pour ce super reportage , c'était un rapide Paris Lille ?
I think I need a cigarette ;)
hello bvsk
6:30
@Oranienschule
Music for psycho trailer , poor Pacific ...
Now scrapped.
Unless it's Nord.
they both are the same type of locomotive, yes.
@@hugos5114 Yep. This one shown did not run away from the cutter's torch. Meanwhile, it's 2 siblings 3.1192 & 3.1123 escaped the yard being preserved. 😃
appear nosebleed
Diese sehr schön oh yeah nahui
yo ... the audio is bad
Deutschland
Cela ne nous rajeunit pas
Petite j ai voyage dans ces trains a vapeur
Quand la grosse machine arrivait je me cachais dans la robe de ma mère bisoùs
Bisous😅
The film is ten times better than the music which has no shape at all and forces the movie to reach an abrupt end.
Neo realisme!