Everyone thank you for being so patient for this video. It took objectively much longer than I said and even thought it was going to take. I never realized how hard it was to make a video when most of The content of the video comes from source material that doesn’t actually have any footage. Thank you for waiting almost 3 weeks for this. I hope you enjoy it. If this does well on the channel I will make some more videos about Star Wars legends.
very interested, what would you suggest as a starting point in the Legends? I have just finished the "Heir" trilogy and the "Hand" series and now I have no clues to where to go. Love your videos
Lets be real, the only reason why Star Wars has stayed alive as long as it has, is because of Legends. Darth Bane Rule of Two was beyond an amazing book that even fleshed out (or helped) KOTOR & SWTOR
SWTOR is an embarrassment compared to what Kotor 2 was setting up for Kotor 3 and beyond. Wish we got to see the follow through of Kotor before the Revan book.
@@lordrevanz16same I wish we could’ve seen obsidians KOTOR 3 and how they envisioned the true Sith rather than the Revan novel and SWTOR retconning it into vitiate
darth bane came out after the prequels, you don't get to claim that's why SW stayed alive.... SW was for all intents and purposes dead by 1991, Zahn resurrected the IP with the Thrawn trilogy and the EU writers rebuilt the IP into the powerhouse that allowed Lucas to make 3 more movies... then he betrayed them all. The only SW media worth reading is the EU stuff between 1991 and 1999.. everything after ep 1 is tainted.
Legends isn't some non-canon bs fan fiction. It's an equally valid separate story, as George Lucas viewed it. Had he made his sequels, they propably wouldn't fit into the EU Lore, but it doesn't matter, the eu would still be continued as a parallel universe, maybe under a different name but it doesn't matter. Disney should remember that. It wouldn't hurt their canon if they simply continued the old one. I hope that some day maybe they will.
Hadn't Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, the sequel trilogy would have probably been about the Yuuzhan Vong war, as there was an X-Files style Clone wars arc planned about a Vong scout ship abducting Jedi.
@@Stryker98 If George retired or sold star wars but to someone else like WB or Fox (it wasn't disney at the time) or if even disney owned lucasfilm made other decisions than maybe yeah, but he had other ideas. His outlines were about Darth Maul training Darth Talon as his apprentice and raising a crime underworld against the new republic. Luke would loose his mind becouse his jedi students turned against him and Leia would strugle to rebuild the governmant with the help of her and Han's jedi children. I guess that later Feloni used that idea in TCW. But that doesn't matter, like i said, EU would still be fine, we'd have new stories in both universes. Disney doesn't ignore legends timeline but either they're too afraid of continuing it for now.
@@_vakas Canonization of the Yuuzhan Vong would have been more likely than you think, Lucas even approved of the Vong in the Clone Wars as long as they weren't force resistant like they were in legends.
They dogpile her, people who never read the books, yet ignore when Filoni does the same damn thing. He's just a lot sneakier and more insidious in how HE buries the past.
I know multiversal concepts might be off brand for Star Wars, but I wouldn't mind it being used if it meant we could explore the world of Legends again.
No, I think that there isn't a multiverse needed in the lore to allow the continuation of legends. It can be continued as a totally separate story with the same name and simmilar characters. It's like they handled The Walking Dead. Comic book story has its own universe and Tv show has its own. And some games are in one universe and some are in the other. And they're not connected through any multiverse or something, they are just that - separare stories. And that's what I'd like to happen with star wars one day. That someone will just say "Ok, let's allow them to write some new stories ser in legends, let's continue the old timeline as well". As simple as that.
i'm just getting into legends and one thing i like about it all is just how many more star wars there are. rather than just three movies set a long time after the ot it feels like so much more is going on.
it's also just that legends had a big scope, this is something that i don't see disney do as much. they've kinda got it on with the high republic stuff but the old eu was pretty much all their was for decades. there were no plans for movies. disney pretty much saves the big stuff for movies and shows but legends had gigantic sotry arcs that were contained just to books and comics which were uique but very large impactful stories and this is why we have some of the best star wars content to ever be created in the old eu aka legends. there are also miner things i don't like from disney and someof the ideas and themes they got going on. but i still try to give everything a fair chance and there are definetely canon stories and ideas that i do like. it's just that the god stuff of legends really can't compare to the goo dstuff of canon because when the eu was awesome it was unrivaled.
That's the great irony of it all. They made a big announcement about how all the old EU content was no longer going to be Cannon so they could make room for their new planned out and cohesive Cannon EU and it quickly became a complete mess as it tried to reconcile with each other and the movies that didn't even work together. The Old Legends could be messy at times, but it atleast had a system for sorting itself out when conflicting stories turned up.
@@AshanBhatoa I remember reading Star Wars X-Wing: Rogue Squadrons by Michael A. Stackpole. The author has creativity similar to your channel's commitment.
@@ShamanMcLamie And they've reintegrated that system, make no mistake, but haven't actually admitted they have to keep the wool pulled over their blind lemming fanbase. "It's all canon, guys! Sure, the cowboy's over there with an ax cackling to himself as he undoes another creative's hard work, but trust us, it's CANON!" "Canon" is just a meaningless buzzword at this point!
My favorite moment in Legends was Lando straight up saving 3 planets and allowing the civilians to evacuate by amassing a droid army, just to piss off the Vong off long enough for them to straight up move the forces against the droids.
Thank you for this. ❤️ I grew up with Legends, from the books to the comics to the games and cartoons. I remember sneaking off to the library in the 3rd grade to read Young Jedi Knights and Junior Jedi Knights. Also, reading Legacy in middle school as a gay kid… boy, Cade tended to lose his shirt… a lot.
Her and steven barnes. Cestus deception’s main plot might be hit or miss at *BEST* but DAMN, without Jangotat the clone, the foundation for fleshing out these soldiers would never have been made. #RespectJangotat
Eh…Republic Commando was decent but she did kinda go too far in making the Mandos Mary Sues in conjunction with her anti-Jedi bias on a ridiculous level.
@@clonetrooper2003 it is painful, but also inspiring. Traviss may not like Jedi, but I thought she wrote Luke, Mara, Han, Leia and Jaina quite well and respectfully.
@@keepmovingforward1722 oh you *have* to read the clone wars era republic comics. Quinlan Vos is a fantastic character, Jabiim and Saleucami are awesome arcs, and Anakin’s already great character is geared up into a true war hero for rots
What you prefer: -an entire civilization of orcish-like aliens, who worship bioengineering at extreme and fanatic level, who conquer and let to burn an extensive portion of the galaxy and forcing empire and Republic to cooperating for survive; -or, basically, a retelling of the original trilogy, only at discount level...
@@tyvamakes5226 Actually that's what Pablo and Matt Marrin said. TRUE Canon isn't decided ny them but by each of us. Their official cano is just for them.
@@rcdune7132 that's right. I refuse to use any term besides "EU", "the real star wars", and sometimes, "what really happened" Hey y'all there's an EU book club we're trying to start on discord. If you're interested reply your discord name and tag and I'll invite you tonight
Disney's star wars "canon" killed my interest in star wars... Legends was always better then Disney's skin suit star wars and ditching legends was the worst mistake they made.
@@Lr.Laecro.Lirus3445 Star Wars and its lore long existed before 2015. Alienate the original fans of any franchise and you're shooting yourself in the foot. Lore exists for a reason.
Disney could ve erase somethings from Legends like starkiller, return of palpatine, death of chewie etc they didnt have to destroy the whole lore. It feels like all those novels, comics, games and efforts that has been made to expend star wars feels like it was for nothing. They are not important anymore, now they all will be forgotten in decades later. It pains me to see this really. They just could ve continiue after 200 ABY that would be like restarting and creating future as if you liked. Though we see some good stories like Andor, Rogue One and Eclipse probably they didnt have to destroy everything... I will never ever forgive disney for what they have done.
You should do a breakdown of. Oth legacy comics and point to all the similaritiea between it and the sequel trilogy. And talk about what the legacy comics did better (and be fait and point out things the sequels did better to) Because legacy really highlights the problems with the sequels.
The OT got me into Star Wars, but it was the books and games that made me a fanatic. The EU is always going to be canon to me. I refuse to call them "Legends". It is the Star Wars Expanded Universe, and Star Wars as a franchise ended on October 30, 2012. It's easier for me this way.
The hypothetical about a future decanonization of the sequel films at the end is spot on. The thing that EU fans are actually angry about is that Disney put an end to the EU and then shamelessly stole from it. If they had let people like Aaron Allston, Karen Traviss, and Timothy Zahn keep writing stories in the continuity we loved, we would've been able to make our peace with the changes in the ST much more easily (I would have still thought they weren't good, but I wouldn't have felt betrayed in the same way).
There is the post-ROTJ Legends, there is the pre-TPM Legends, there is TPM-ROTJ Legends, and there is Celeste Morne, the ultimate badass that has been in all those Legends! She is the goddamn legend!
As you said, the EU was amazing because it prioritized the maintaining the progression of Lucas’ iconic characters. Disney killed off the entire family tree and has spent a decade wiping out that progression as though it never happened…all so their legacies could be rewritten into Disney’s character replacements.
6:39 The only thing that Legacy of the Force tested was my desire to buy more Star Wars books. Seriously...what is it about that time period that makes Star Wars, be it Legends or Disney, so goddamn awful? For me Star Wars Legends ends with the cast laughing on Kashyyyk at the end of The Unifying Force.
Honestly, I think it was smart for Disney to create legends, on paper at least. But I think they should have done it with the purpose of “trimming the fat” rather than starting over; preserving the stories that fans really love, while still leaving room for future storytelling. As it stood, Star Wars canon was really less than curated. It had a lot of really excellent stories, far better than 90% of what Disney has put out so far, but it was convoluted. It wasn’t really supervised by George or Lucasfilm or anybody, and it ballooned out into this massive web of varying canonicity, with so many characters, it all starts to blur together, at least for me. Disney had a unique opportunity to cull the weakest parts of this canon, but where they went wrong was cutting all of it, without any real reason. They didn’t have to banish stories like the old clone wars cartoon, the thrawn trilogy, games like force unleashed and republic commando, or the entire old republic. We could have had a more streamlined Star Wars canon, with all of the good parts, and none of the bad, idealistically, at least. Disney could have had their cake and eaten it too, but now they really have nothing.
They definitely should've just dropped post Ot, bad EU stuff from pre and during OT, and TCW. It was there for them, it would've been so easy and they would've had so much to work with so they could rush TFA without it being a mess. But JJ Filoni and Kennedy wanted to make fan fiction 😔
I love all three of these groups, i would have to say, i dislike the old Republic era the most, that doesn't mean i don't like it, i just find it to be the least interesting because of the bane era, the story and era of galactic era surrounding Bane so 2000-1000 BBY has a tendency to bore me, the Dragulch period and Darth Ruin just don't do it for me like the Naga Sadow, the Rakata, Exar Kun and Revan do, i dont know why though, i just feel like The Old Republic Era looses its magic after SWOTOR
To be fair the chosen one prophecy wasn’t a thing during OG trilogy and before the prequels the only reason I prefer the Dark Empire comics over TROS is because it was Anakin legacy (which is Luke,Han and Leia) that defeat the emperor plus it answers two question for me How powerful is the emperor in his youth? and what would it look like with if Luke turn dark side ? Let’s just Luke acting like Darth Vader in the comic is badass.
But it doesn't matter if dark empire was created before George came up with the chosen one. He came up with it, added it into the lore and everything else must fit or be retconned. I don't think that post-rotj sith or even reborn palpatine ruin the prophecy, it all depends on its interpretation. But dark empire, well becouse it was made earlier, doesn't acknawladge it at all. I think that it should have been rewritten when the prequels came in. Vader's sacrifice should have more meaning in the story. And if legends is continued in its own continuity some day, it would be perfect if they rewrote dark empire (and just dark empire).
@@jaieregilmore971 Yeah, I don't care about Disney and their crappy canon. Legends did better, but as I said, old canon also has some flaws. Had George made his sequels, likely everything post - Thrawn Trilogy would have been erased from the timeline. Or, George would have remade the EU into an official parallel unuverse (as he always viewed it as such).
@@emzonik8851 Yeah I know George Lucas would do things differently I just saying in terms of progression the story with the characters and new ones in Legends did it better than the Disney canon after return of the Jedi.
@@jaieregilmore971 Much better, I agree 100%. However, that's of course ignoring some really silly stories like planet of twighlight, crystal star, robo leia, marvel comics or tales. But TBH no one cares about those anyway XD. EU was and is the main dtory line of Star Wars to me.
Because legends was the original timeline of Star wars it was the old canon legends is about the history of the sith and Jedi and the wars they had against each other before the clone wars and before the films it all makes sense and for to say that legends was never part of canon is bull suit and a lie their was a let of evidence and proof on the internet that Lucas made it part of canon you can read the books novels video games magazines and comic books all said it was part of canon and part of the Star Wars universe
Shows how creatively bankrupt, predictable, and safe they are. Disney Star Wars feels sterilized. It has none of the George Lucas magic which every single solid inch of the old canon hierarchy and the old order of the saga possessed.
Sadly you aren't. It's basically like the name, they're all "legends" in the Star Wars universe. They could've happened, or parts could've, but we don't know cuz Disney are bitches
I’m pretty sure 2D clone wars didn’t show who gave Anakin his scar. It does have a brief focus on it, Padme tracing her finger on it, but that was it. Wasn’t the culprit said to be Ventress in some other material?
Ventress did it in their fight together I originally showed the clip but I had to cut it out because of copyright reasons It was the 2008 version that changed the reason
@@TheFirstOkiro wait what? I don’t remember 08 clone wars addressing his scar. And do you mean their first fight? I just checked real quick and she gave it to him in a comic, in legends at least
I feel like some parts of legends especially the events after Return of the Jedi to not really feel like star wars and more like some weird sci fi thing, but honestly im clearly biased because the "true star wars" I see is the one that is canon. Although legends was once part of actual star wars at a period of time.
I remember getting my "Heir to the Empire" graphic novel in fifth grade and having my mind blown... I also remember getting super jealous of Mara Jade because I had (and still have) a massive crush on Luke Skywalker
Mara Jade started my interest in red head girls😂😂😂 I've nvr told that to anybody b4🤣 it's nice being part of a community that understands my secret level of nerdiness lol
To those who say like never failed. He literally killed the wrong person trying to Avenge his wife, struggled with how to to direct the jedi order and even failed at times to see events right under his nose. He screws up quite a bit in very human ways
@@lipartist For me, Luke's defining characteristic is his unwavering faith that there's always hope, even at the darkest moment. He may fail, but he will always get up and start again. That's what is missing for me in The Last Jedi. He just dies without, at least to my mind, a good reason. For me, him dying during the fight would have been much better, as he deserved a warrior's death. In contrast to the situation in the cannon, Luke does fuck up in Legends from time to time, but he always manages to bounce back. This is precisely the quality that I appreciate his character for. He went through hell but never lost hope.
The EU was one of the most beautiful things ever made. It's extremely unique in all of writing. It's this deep and very well-balanced universe with hundreds of books set in it that manages to still be contiguous, even if there are some rough spots here and there. The stories are just so immense and expansive, and excluding maybe a tiny few examples of poor lore (Sun Crusher stuff, Hand of Vader, the mind control gun) the worst is just middling or just didn't get properly executed but had really interesting ideas and deep concepts which unfortunately fell apart. The best of the EU is absolutely incredible and adds immensely to the story. Dark Empire had faults, but it implemented a lot that is loved at the same time, the Dark Empire's technology and ideas explored very interesting things and created some much-beloved elements. I personally can't stand the modern Star Wars, I _adore_ and _love_ world building. It doesn't really give anything of value to me and constantly breaks the continuity in ways I can't enjoy, not to mention the failings in character arcs and destruction of Han's and Luke's off-screen.
If you want some "new" Stat Wars Legends content then check out the WIP novel "Supernatural Encounters." It'll be the largest novel in the franchise and have dense world building akin to The Silmarillion.
I just recently started my journey in to the EU and after finishing the Thrawn trilogy I can't believe I never read any of these books. I was blown away by that story and how well written it was. And God all the interesting characters, Talon and Mara were my favorites. Definitely a breath of fresh air after the derivative garbage disney had put out. In a way I'm thankful that the disney star wars is trash because it forced me to start reading these awesome books and comics set in my favorite fiction of all time. Currently reading The Old Republic comics and then I'll be starting the Jedi Academy trilogy and keep going all the way to the Legacy of the Force series. Fell in love with star wars all over again.
@@nicolasacosta1673 Aw hell yeah. Hey with your pfp of a Mando emblem, I gotta also recommend you read Blood Ties and some of the Boba Fett books. It's not all gold, there's very little that quite reaches the heights of Thrawn Trilogy, though there is the Thrawn Duology which is also really excellent. I'd recommend you also check out the Revenge of the Sith novelization as something you might overlook, it's really excellent.
@@pubcle Thanks for the recommendations dude. I've actually been eyeing Blood Ties and it turns out it's like $10 off on amazon right now, so I'll be picking that up this week. And yea I've heard about the ROTS novelization being really good and expanding on the movie, definitely on the list. At some point I also want to delve into some clone wars stuff too, especially after finding out that Filoni essentially deleted all of it and replaced it with his cartoon. I thought he only retconned some things here and there but nope, turns out he took a dump on all of it. I personally hated his depiction of the mandalorians. For me they've always been a culture not a race. Making them all human was so boring. But for now I'll try to focus on post ROTJ stuff as much as I can otherwise I think I'll never be done with so many books to read. 😅
One of the most baffling things about people associating Legends with dudebros and conservative fans is that Legends is actually way more diverse than Disney canon. Dozens of well written female characters, POC, hell, even the first LGBT character in Star Wars, Juhani from the first KOTOR, came from Legends. You can even romance her if you play with a female MC. Meanwhile Disney uses diversity in such shallow ways to pander to audiences who want to see more of that in media. Just look how badly they treated Finn and John Boyega himself during the sequels. Actually, one of my biggest gripes with TLJ is how they sidelined Finn, who was of equal importance to Rey in TFA, and just ran with it for TROS. They didn't even have the decency to acknowledge him being force sensitive in the film, we had to find out about it during post release commentary. Compare this to the prequels where not only Samuel L. Jackson was cast as a fucking Jedi Master, but dude even got to choose his own custom lightsaber colour for Windu. Wild.
How about Young Jedi Knights? It tells a great story about how you have to learn to live with a disability. Disabled representation! And her accident could be seen as gun-control allegory. Or, and this is still relevant today, the dangers of how easy it is for an otherwise decent fella to be drawn into a radical splinter group. That's chilling when you look at the shit going on today. And I find it hilarious that both left AND right hard-liners HATE these stories, the left because they think it's an attack on them to show a diverse group of fanatics unleashing a virus (hits a little too close to home), and the right because the word "diversity" triggers them and they'd tune out right away before even reading it. Well, as it stands, this flaming liberal is sticking to Legends over the Disnoids. Fuck the canon crap, they can't even keep it consistent for ten years, never mind forty. I'm choosing what I love.
Glad you mentioned Filoni at the start because he was Disney Wars before Disney Wars became official. Hated how he usurped already completed continuity that the Clone Wars multimedia project did that vastly improved the prequels (Filoni Clone Wars did not fix the prequels, folks).
Filoni worked on all of Disney, Star Wars, even created the backstory for the sequel trilogy. Imo he is a large part of the problem of what’s wrong with Disney Star Wars.
@@TheFirstOkiro HE DID WHAT? Then why so many fans lick his boots if he's part of the reason why sequels are so bad? How the same guy who made Clone Wars and Rebels help make such trash?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о because they grew up with the clone wars. You can 100% see disneywars in TCW: mischaracterization of almost all of the prequels characters (it's insane), destroying the plot of both the prequels and ot for his OC ahsoka, it's kinda crazy. I'm too lazy to fully explain, but I know there's a video out there about it on UA-cam
“Canon only matters if you’re writing for Star Wars, not if you’re consuming it” is one of the best things you’ve ever said. I really wish more people would get behind this idea. Enjoy the stories you like from the Disney canon or legends, don’t let the label of “Canon” take away what they mean to you.
This has always been my mantra. I didn't like everything in Legends (EU), but I took what I loved and ignored what I didn't, and it worked out well. Other than Dark Empire, there was nothing I loathed. It's fiction--the only canon is what is in your head. No one can dictate to you what to accept or not accept. Sequel Trilogy?--not in my canon.
@@nagger8216 That simply just false for several reason, canon is anything that is the based on what has happened in a story,film, book, etc( this not just about star wars, but other properties in general) If it's no longer canon, then majority of people won't watch, read, or play the game of meaning over time less and less people will care or even know about it vs canon which will get tv shows, games, merchandise of its timeline frequently constantly talk about, parks built after it, etc. ( overall In the end legends will be simply overlooked by many for simply reason it's not canon and doesnt hold weight in overall story anymore) it will be forgotten or barely known overtime/ to make matter worse today most people don't read books over other entertainment options so it only going to get worse. You and the other guy saying somehow canon doesn't matter is just so wrong and head canon is pretty much just another word for denial and low ball at worst fanfiction. The reason why people are pisst, because people know what I'm saying is pretty much true. ( note I hate the sequels, but even I know that garbargr is canon while legends isn't/ in fact their pulling stuff from legends into the canon timeline)
@@thealexgundam5006 "If it's no longer canon, then majority of people won't watch, read, or play the game of meaning over time less and less people will care or even know about it" Tell that to all the Thrawn and Revan fanboys that are still going strong. " ( overall In the end legends will be simply overlooked by many for simply reason it's not canon and doesnt hold weight in overall story anymore) it will be forgotten or barely known overtime/ to make matter worse today most people don't read books over other entertainment options so it only going to get worse." I very much doubt that, those stories have existed and influenced Star Wars for decades and still do. It's kinda hard to claim people are going to forget about them when the canon regularly reincorporates ideas and characters straight from Legends. You also act like they're banned and aren't being sold and read regularly, I doubt anyone's going to give a shit about some "LEGENDS" label on a SW book besides neckbeards. "You and the other guy saying somehow canon doesn't matter is just so wrong and head canon is pretty much just another word for denial and low ball at worst fanfiction" I guess, but no one's going to break into my house and beat the shit out of me just because I consider Heir to the Empire and Knights of the Old Republic as canon, at the end of the day it's my interpretation of Star Wars and no one else can change that. Not to mention those kind of decisions aren't made by artists and writers, they're made by business men that couldn't give less of a shit about Star Wars if they tried. There's not much reason to care about their business decisions because that's all they are at the end of the day, business decisions, not artistic ones.
I've been a huge fan of Mara Jade ever since I read "Heir to the Empire" in the sixth grade. Not gonna lie, when you said we watch Luke struggle "as a widow," I teared up just a tiny bit. We'll miss you, Mara.
The Disney Trash Trilogy has nothing on Real Star Wars, The EU. Disney doesn't own Star Wars, I do. TFA is a cheap plagiarized version of Legacy Vol.2. Last Jedi is a quite original nothing and RoS is an awesome bookend, that perfectly closes and gives those "films" the deserved name of The Disney Trash Trilogy.
I LOVE legends sooo much. Following the same characters from the start of the thrawn trilogy till Abeloth. Jacen and Jaina are 2 of my favorites! Legends has HEART.
just remember: EVERYTHING that isnt' "Lucas canon" between 1974 and 2014 is considered "Legends" but the Expanded Universe are only the books that share continuity with Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy.
Yes but unless they produce tons of Hollywood woke movies, they get ignored. The SW EU era was one of the most amazing periods for any franchise, ever.
@@juresaiyan it's insane that George gave his magnum opus to Disney. I get why he did it, getting old and wanting to spend time with his daughter, but ironically he gave it to the very thing he hated when he started Star Wars, corporations who just want money.
Palpatines return was also heavily hinted in beforehand. In the sequels it came out of nowhere whereas in dark empire, there's tall about imperial fleets disappearing, the Civil War between the imps dragging on longer than it should have, with imperial leaders getting random and contradictory orders, with imperial Warlords like Ardus Kaine suddenly making a beeline for the Deep Core
Palpatines return was set up in the Disney Star Wars Novels. Just it was so ambiguous. Like Dark Empire. Still despires Rise of Skywalker. But he was set up.
So many rich, beautiful, and thoughtful moments happened throughout the old EU. Post-ROTJ is my favorite era of SW and it will always be my canon. I love all SW, but the old EU novels was my SW even more so than the films.
This is the best video to cover why the Expanded universe is still relevant to any fan that values good storytelling and development of characters. I was not a Star Wars fan during the years the EU was relevant. But after Disney’s poor attempt, I delved into the EU and I became obsessed with it so much I would say I am more of a fan of the EU than any of the movies.
@@AndreNitroX Well its different pieces of media. So i can’t give you a link to it. However, I have a reading order if gou would like me to give it to you!
@@AndreNitroX What I mean was it was a whole different bunch of media in a project like novels an games. here is the order • Attack of The Clones • Clone Wars - Volume #1: The Defense of Kamino • Clone Wars - Volume #2: Victories and Sacrifices • 2D Micro-Series: Chapters 1-7 • Clone Wars - Volume #4: Light and Dark • 2D Micro-series: Chapters 8-20 • Shatterpoint (Matthew Stover) • The Cestus Deception (Steven Barnes) • Clone Wars - Volume #3: Last Stand on Jabiim • Clone Wars - Volume #5: The Best Blades • Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (While not part of the project, I STRONGLY recommend reading before the Medstar Duology, since a certain character from Shadow Hunter reappears in said Duology ) • Medstar Duology (Michael Reaves & Steve Perry) • Yoda: Dark Rendezvous • 2D Micro-series: Chapter 20-22 • Clone Wars - Volume #6: On The Fields of Battle • Clone Wars - Volume #7: When They Were Brothers • Clone Wars: Volume #8: The Last Siege, The Final Truth • Republic Commando • Labyrinth of Evil (James Luceno) • Revenge of the Sith (+ Novelization) • Star Wars Battlefront II (2005) - Rise of The Empire Story Mode Campaign BONUS: READING ORDER • Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader (James Luceno) • Clone Wars Volume #9: Endgame • Dark Times Comic Series • The Force Unleashed (THE FINALE
The best part was when you explained for Sequel fans what it is like for us legends fans. It's not about something being better or worse, it's not about being toxic, it's about the fact that we loved these stories, only for them to be thrown to the wayside. This is why I don't support retconning the Sequels, because it's just going to cause another giant wound in the fanbase. And now that things are finally looking up, and all kinds of Star Wars fans are uniting behind the Mandalorian, the Bad Batch and soon hopefully Kenobi, more division is the last thing we need
they can have their Disney canon but the sequels ARE a trigly of retcons that don't fit into the universe of Star Wars like turning the force into a generic superpower that u can pull all kinds of abilities out form ur ass without having to work for it. Also ruining the conclusion from the OT which is the true conclusion of Star Wars. The sequels are a giant wound in the fanbase and thus no further damage will happen if they're gone but reverting the franchise back to its former glory.
@@medalgear654 that’s not even true though, legends had plenty of force abilities that were ridiculous and seem like “because the force and stuff”. Luke making a force projection, or Snoke setting up a force bond between Kylo and Rey isn’t really that implausible for the universe of StarWars. Not counting Rise of Skywalker (because even diehard sequel trilogy enjoyers like myself will admit that one sucks), continuity isn’t broken. Also, whether you like them or not, just retconning everything isn’t going to fix anything, it’s just going to rip apart the still healing fan base. There is no former glory to go back to, we have to move on.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 The EU also has it's share of flaws. I have seen people vehemently hate Darth Krayt's Empire and even the Yuuzhan Vong war. But I love the EU for both it's pros and cons. The EU has reached immortality. I don't like the Canon lore and vastly prefer EU lore. But I am very happy that the EU happenned. But if some poeple actually like the Disney canon and enjoy it, more power to them and I wish them the best. I couldn't find enjoyment in them.
@@TheNamelessScholarOfficial I understand, I just think that people calling force projection something ridiculous for the continuity while also sacrificing their firstborn child to get the EU back are hypocrites.
Legends is the only sequels. What a waste of money, actors and time with the laziest most jarring films I've ever seen on the big screen in the Disney sequels
Disney star wars canon has no depth stakes lore philosophy world building creativity inspiration ect it's a poorly written generic watered down childish small repetitive uncreative soulless universe
In the WIP novel "Supernatural Encounters" the author takes a jab at Canon and references it as a failed universe that's a disjointed replica that pales in comparison of the original...
Thanks for doing this breakdown, I've been getting into the EU more recently and it's nice to have a list of all the important stuff without having to go through a massive list that has every little piece of SW media in existence
I remember walking out of Rise of Skywalker and did not say a word the whole drive home. I was THAT disgusted by what Disney had done to this Universe. The amount of effort and talent that different writers and artists put into the Legends continuity over the decades is mind boggling. The overwhelming majority of my favorite characters in the Star Wars universe have NEVER been in a single film with them in it. To this day, I have yet to watch any of the sequel trilogy films again. Every time I see Rey and Kylo Ren on screen, I just think of Jaina and Jacen Solo. Every time I see Luke being the depressed, pessimistic schmuck he is in The Last Jedi, I remember how incredible and inspiring he was in Legends. This canon was literally gift wrapped to Disney and they absolutely destroyed the amazing potential they had. To me, the sequel trilogy is glorified fan fiction. THIS……This will ALWAYS be the real Star Wars. And I know that I’m not alone..
Why are you guys always overdramatizing things so hard, it's supremely annoying. What petty lifes you all must have. Must be tough being that bitter for years now.
@@Lr.Laecro.Lirus3445 The movie is a movie by committee. Story treads set up in The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi either go nowhere or are retroactively changed. Rey’s parents being “nobodies” in The Last Jedi, only to have this movie say, just kidding, she’s the grand daughter of Emperor Palpatine. How there is zero explanation for Palpatines return from the dead. How him being brought back spits in the face of Vader’s sacrifice at the end of ROTJ. How Finn has NOTHING to do in this film. How Rey and Ben are basically the same character by the end of the film. How the Knights of Ren are barely used. How Palpatine is killed by Rey making an X with her lightsaber. How she, a Palpatine descendant is now the sole holder of the Skywalker name. I could go on and on. This movie was absolutely garbage. The idea that the filmmakers had 30 years in real time to nail down a story and THIS was the best they could do is absolutely absurd at best and horrifyingly awful at worst. This wasn’t a film…..it was an ending by committee. You’re more than welcome to enjoy such a thing. But filmmakers in the late 1970’s, early 1980’s made 100X better Star Wars films and had to work 1000X to make it happen, I call low efferent garbage out when I see it.
@@roc5291 Most of your points have all long been debunked, but to be quite honest, I'm definetely not gonna waste time explaining it all to you. All I'm gonna say is, because a movie has inconsistencies and plot holes, it somehow is not a movie? What? Search the term "movie" again maybe.
I never got into Legends but it’s a shame so much content got nuked. I wished that they kept Legends going as a separate continuity that didn’t have to be canon but could have still told stories with Legends characters
Did you ever hear of the tragedy of the Star Wars Expanded Universe? New Star Wars Fan: No. I thought not, it's not a timeline Disney would tell you about. They're now a so-called Legends story. The Star Wars Expanded Universe was a collection of novels, comic books, video games, roleplay, radio shows, HoloNet, parodies, Holiday Specials, animated shows and TV movies it could use the lore of Star Wars to tell brand new stories and introduce very well written characters. It had such a great knowledge of Star Wars it kept many fans from going toxic and berserk. New Star Wars Fan: It could keep the fans in check? The Expanded Universe is a pathway to many great stories some considered to be non-canon. New Star Wars Fan: And what happened? It became so vast with stories, that the only thing it feared was being decanonized which, eventually of course it did. Unfortunately, it taught its new apprentice Disney everything it knew. Then Disney decanonized it when they purchased LucasFilm. Ironic how the animated Clone Wars series could survive this purge and remain canon. But not the Expanded Universe. New Star Wars Fan: Is it possible to learn these stories. Not from Disney.
Just bought heir to the empire last week and I love it. I just wish we could get more stories of them. Maybe have eu take place in a different timeline so stuff like the sequels to please all fans
@@emzonik8851 I don’t try to brag about this much but I’m making a Star Wars series that replaces the sequels. I’m bringing in people like Finn and rey(and yes even Rose) and also legends characters like the solo children. I’m trying to unite the sequel and eu fans together
Read the rest of the Thrawn trilogy, then you should go for the X-wing Rogue squadron books next, I'm on the third one myself and they're fantastic. The OT main characters barely feature in them so far and honestly I don't even mind, the Rogue squadron crew and other characters are so compelling I don't feel that Luke, Leia or Han have to take center stage here.
You can't recreate the excitement we had when Heir came out. It had been like 7 years since Jedi. There was no other content & Heir came out of nowhere. Pre-Internet so yeah. Then when Dark Force came out, people were sleeping outside of bookstores.
Thanks for mentioning the context of the Emperor returning. A lot of Dark Empire critics use the chosen one prophecy as an excuse to not think about the context. They forget that 'a prophecy, misread, could have been.'
I know im a year later to this but i wanted to point out that basically the Emperor, being defeated by the Chosen One. Will Forever be destined to fail whenever he returns in even the far future of the EU. Because the BLOODLINE from the Chosen one will forever keep a leash on Palpatine since the nexus in the force is gone. I think that's pretty cool imo
@@clonetrooper2003Yes. Still, we'll never get a Dooku novel from Luceno in the mold of Plagueis, thanks to the Disney buyout. We won't get books about Operation Durge's Lance or actually interesting Dark Times books either. We won't get anymore good games, or comics.
Disney canon is Mostly retcons canon and bad ideas like the high Republic which is pure cringe. Legends will continue to outdo it every damn day till the franchise eventually dies
Beautifully made video, this video is incredible I’ve recommended it to so many people, and I can’t stop watching it, Star Wars is Star Wars to someone, canon legends or other there is no right answer and people are allowed to pick and choose what they love and that is ok, this video made me happy to be apart of the Star Wars community again so thank you so much 😊
Yeah i remember that. The clone wars republic issues are so good. Unpopular opinion: I prefer saleucami to jabiim cuz it is a culmination of awesomeness
Great video. Strange how not many EU fans (I'm never gonna use the word "lEgEnDs") haven't pointed out how Jao Assam from Legacy Volume 2 is essentially the GOOD version of Finn from the Disney trash. Honestly, what makes this aggravating is that Disney has no intention of continuing the EU. At all. Aside from throwing crumbs like updating SWTOR or that one Marvel issue, they ditched the old authors after making them write 1 or 2 novels under their banner, in favor of corporate approved servants. On the other hand, Disney themselves know the sequels are hot trash that split people apart, therefore they spent the past 3 years distancing themselves and just dangling keys to keep people happy : TCW Season 7, The Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, the upcoming Kenobi, Ahsoka, Andor shows. The reasons why I can't get into Disney Star Wars is : 1) It's way too simplified and dumbed down. Rebels is too kiddy, Mando is a boring, overrated western padded with fetch quests and nostalgia cameos. TBoBF was trash and only confirmed the mass delusion people have about "Filoni and Favreau saving Star Wars" to be wrong. Nope, TLJ still exists. Deal with it. 2) It's disgustingly derivative. Either from the OT, as the bulk of Disney Star Wars is set in-between the PT and OT, or during or slightly after the OT. They throw all these pitiful easter eggs to please EU fans and convince normies that they're "cAnOnIzINg" things, when it's just dumbed down, worse and devoid of its original meaning and context. Take the Dark Troopers and Tython in Mando. I DON'T CARE if they're there, because they're no longer tied to Kyle Katarn or Darth Bane's stories. 3) None of their more original stories really stand out. So many novels and comics have already been retconned : the Ahsoka novel by TCW Season 7, Kanan Last Padawan by The Bad Batch, the Aftermath trilogy by The Mandalorian and TBoBF. Who the HELL cares about Iden Versio ? Or the Tumblrina OC known as Dr Aphra ? Or the insipid KOTOR wannabe known as The High Republic. The Romeo and Juliet sappy romance known as Lost Stars ? Or seeing Leia failing as politician AND mother in Bloodlines ? Or Lando's Karen droid ? Outside of Rogue One and Jedi Fallen Order, there's really NOTHING about these stories that stand out. The characters are bland or trash, the stories are bland, demeaning or trash, worldbuiling and lore are lazy or nonexistent. I can't get invested, and I don't get why some people would except for them having really low standards.
You hit the nail on the head. Low standards and being gullible idiots. And Disney can't keep running away from their problems forever, but they don't know what to do or where to take the direction of Star Wars. Someday they'll have to confront it, if only because the customer base forces them to. And I can't wait for that, it's gonna be *_glorious._*
Ill always remember the moment over 12 years ago that i read the Thrawn trilogy for the first time. And i found out that they cloned Luke with his severed hand. Blew my mind.
Dude, I'd love to watch a 1 hour video gushing over the Old Republic era---- any subsection! SWTOR era, Kotor 2, the far past with the Mandalorian Wars and Exar Kun, hell even the Great Hyperspace war! Your vid was fantastic!!!
Everyone thank you for being so patient for this video. It took objectively much longer than I said and even thought it was going to take. I never realized how hard it was to make a video when most of The content of the video comes from source material that doesn’t actually have any footage. Thank you for waiting almost 3 weeks for this. I hope you enjoy it. If this does well on the channel I will make some more videos about Star Wars legends.
Let's go!! Thank you for another art piece king!!
When the video is this good it doesnt matter how long it takes
very interested, what would you suggest as a starting point in the Legends? I have just finished the "Heir" trilogy and the "Hand" series and now I have no clues to where to go. Love your videos
My friend this video is one of the most heartfelt and brilliant summaries of what makes the EU special and why it’s still relevant to so many fans.
Yes please do! These stories are amazing!
Lets be real, the only reason why Star Wars has stayed alive as long as it has, is because of Legends. Darth Bane Rule of Two was beyond an amazing book that even fleshed out (or helped) KOTOR & SWTOR
SWTOR is an embarrassment compared to what Kotor 2 was setting up for Kotor 3 and beyond. Wish we got to see the follow through of Kotor before the Revan book.
@@lordrevanz16same I wish we could’ve seen obsidians KOTOR 3 and how they envisioned the true Sith rather than the Revan novel and SWTOR retconning it into vitiate
darth bane came out after the prequels, you don't get to claim that's why SW stayed alive.... SW was for all intents and purposes dead by 1991, Zahn resurrected the IP with the Thrawn trilogy and the EU writers rebuilt the IP into the powerhouse that allowed Lucas to make 3 more movies... then he betrayed them all.
The only SW media worth reading is the EU stuff between 1991 and 1999.. everything after ep 1 is tainted.
Legends isn't some non-canon bs fan fiction. It's an equally valid separate story, as George Lucas viewed it. Had he made his sequels, they propably wouldn't fit into the EU Lore, but it doesn't matter, the eu would still be continued as a parallel universe, maybe under a different name but it doesn't matter. Disney should remember that. It wouldn't hurt their canon if they simply continued the old one. I hope that some day maybe they will.
Hadn't Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, the sequel trilogy would have probably been about the Yuuzhan Vong war, as there was an X-Files style Clone wars arc planned about a Vong scout ship abducting Jedi.
@@Stryker98 If George retired or sold star wars but to someone else like WB or Fox (it wasn't disney at the time) or if even disney owned lucasfilm made other decisions than maybe yeah, but he had other ideas. His outlines were about Darth Maul training Darth Talon as his apprentice and raising a crime underworld against the new republic. Luke would loose his mind becouse his jedi students turned against him and Leia would strugle to rebuild the governmant with the help of her and Han's jedi children. I guess that later Feloni used that idea in TCW. But that doesn't matter, like i said, EU would still be fine, we'd have new stories in both universes. Disney doesn't ignore legends timeline but either they're too afraid of continuing it for now.
@@Stryker98 that would never happen in any timeline.
@@_vakas Canonization of the Yuuzhan Vong would have been more likely than you think, Lucas even approved of the Vong in the Clone Wars as long as they weren't force resistant like they were in legends.
But, it was non-canonical.
Remember when everyone was mad when Kathleen Kennedy said "Star Wars has no source material"?
This is why. All 41 years of reasons why.
They will not erase history
They dogpile her, people who never read the books, yet ignore when Filoni does the same damn thing. He's just a lot sneakier and more insidious in how HE buries the past.
@@saberiandream316
Because he at least actually takes from it.
@@austinreed7343 except he shouldn't be just "taking" from the movies should he? Or do you casually ignore that as well?
@@Jiub_SN
What do you mean?
The 2003 clone wars series is my favorite part of legends
The clone wars multimedia project and plagueis are mine
Legends is the only one that really matters and a very small amount of new canon.
I know multiversal concepts might be off brand for Star Wars, but I wouldn't mind it being used if it meant we could explore the world of Legends again.
Let’s be honest to me the old republic is canon for me because it decades apart to the prequels and originals trilogy.
No, I think that there isn't a multiverse needed in the lore to allow the continuation of legends. It can be continued as a totally separate story with the same name and simmilar characters. It's like they handled The Walking Dead. Comic book story has its own universe and Tv show has its own. And some games are in one universe and some are in the other. And they're not connected through any multiverse or something, they are just that - separare stories. And that's what I'd like to happen with star wars one day. That someone will just say "Ok, let's allow them to write some new stories ser in legends, let's continue the old timeline as well". As simple as that.
Me too!
No please
Multiverse concept has been used to death
@@redzeitgeist854 Yeah, I agree. But Legends can be continued anyway.
i'm just getting into legends and one thing i like about it all is just how many more star wars there are. rather than just three movies set a long time after the ot it feels like so much more is going on.
Better late than never
it's also just that legends had a big scope, this is something that i don't see disney do as much. they've kinda got it on with the high republic stuff but the old eu was pretty much all their was for decades. there were no plans for movies. disney pretty much saves the big stuff for movies and shows but legends had gigantic sotry arcs that were contained just to books and comics which were uique but very large impactful stories and this is why we have some of the best star wars content to ever be created in the old eu aka legends. there are also miner things i don't like from disney and someof the ideas and themes they got going on. but i still try to give everything a fair chance and there are definetely canon stories and ideas that i do like. it's just that the god stuff of legends really can't compare to the goo dstuff of canon because when the eu was awesome it was unrivaled.
So much better than Disney's confused, corporate garbage
That's the great irony of it all. They made a big announcement about how all the old EU content was no longer going to be Cannon so they could make room for their new planned out and cohesive Cannon EU and it quickly became a complete mess as it tried to reconcile with each other and the movies that didn't even work together. The Old Legends could be messy at times, but it atleast had a system for sorting itself out when conflicting stories turned up.
Especially better then the high republic garbage
@Wyatt Koski It's superceded the comics. The comic isn't retconned entirely.
@@AshanBhatoa I remember reading Star Wars X-Wing: Rogue Squadrons by Michael A. Stackpole. The author has creativity similar to your channel's commitment.
@@ShamanMcLamie And they've reintegrated that system, make no mistake, but haven't actually admitted they have to keep the wool pulled over their blind lemming fanbase. "It's all canon, guys! Sure, the cowboy's over there with an ax cackling to himself as he undoes another creative's hard work, but trust us, it's CANON!" "Canon" is just a meaningless buzzword at this point!
My favorite moment in Legends was Lando straight up saving 3 planets and allowing the civilians to evacuate by amassing a droid army, just to piss off the Vong off long enough for them to straight up move the forces against the droids.
STAR WARS LEGENDS FOREVER!!
Thank you for this. ❤️ I grew up with Legends, from the books to the comics to the games and cartoons. I remember sneaking off to the library in the 3rd grade to read Young Jedi Knights and Junior Jedi Knights. Also, reading Legacy in middle school as a gay kid… boy, Cade tended to lose his shirt… a lot.
God Karen Traviss deserves way more respect for how she fleshed out the clones and the Mandos
Her and steven barnes. Cestus deception’s main plot might be hit or miss at *BEST* but DAMN, without Jangotat the clone, the foundation for fleshing out these soldiers would never have been made. #RespectJangotat
Eh…Republic Commando was decent but she did kinda go too far in making the Mandos Mary Sues in conjunction with her anti-Jedi bias on a ridiculous level.
@@georgelabe-assimo4365 Wait.....Karen Traviss Hates Jedi. I am getting more and MORE afraid of reading LOTF
@@clonetrooper2003 it is painful, but also inspiring. Traviss may not like Jedi, but I thought she wrote Luke, Mara, Han, Leia and Jaina quite well and respectfully.
EU is the real story before, between and after the six movies.
Thrawn Trilogy is the real sequels.
Thrawn trilogy and njo indeed
Can we get all of (if not, most) “Star Wars Legends” into 90 minute films in the Clone Wars 2003 animation?
That microseries was great. You should check out the rest of the multimedia project
@@clonetrooper2003 oh I have the novel tie-ins but not the comics. I’m not really a comic person
@@keepmovingforward1722 oh you *have* to read the clone wars era republic comics. Quinlan Vos is a fantastic character, Jabiim and Saleucami are awesome arcs, and Anakin’s already great character is geared up into a true war hero for rots
What you prefer:
-an entire civilization of orcish-like aliens, who worship bioengineering at extreme and fanatic level, who conquer and let to burn an extensive portion of the galaxy and forcing empire and Republic to cooperating for survive;
-or, basically, a retelling of the original trilogy, only at discount level...
The bong were lazy as villains imo, as you said they're orc aliens. but they were kinda cool tho 😎
Disney might bring the Vong back in a future film or project but without the biotech. Their new name is the Grysk.
Star Wars Legends is the TRUE Star Wars Canon.
It is the fan's choice.
Not just prequels and OT, but for KOTOR, Force Unleashed, Kyle Katarn series and those who has learned the full art of Thrawn.
Yes
@@tyvamakes5226 Actually that's what Pablo and Matt Marrin said. TRUE Canon isn't decided ny them but by each of us. Their official cano is just for them.
It's not "legends"... It's the EXPANDED UNIVERSE
@@rcdune7132 that's right. I refuse to use any term besides "EU", "the real star wars", and sometimes, "what really happened"
Hey y'all there's an EU book club we're trying to start on discord. If you're interested reply your discord name and tag and I'll invite you tonight
Honestly such a great video bro definitely eye opening for me. Your Channel is super underrated and hope you become big one day.
Thank you 🙏🏾!
Well said mate. Legends man here.
bro you are underrated
Indeed
That moment when you realize you've been pronouncing Okiro wrong this whole time :|
Same 😅
Your voice is so soothing! Amazing video 👍
I'd like to imagine Disney selling SW to Universal. They'd spoil their whole SW movies in their trailers.
star wars Legends is my favorite franchise ever
Disney's star wars "canon" killed my interest in star wars... Legends was always better then Disney's skin suit star wars and ditching legends was the worst mistake they made.
No going woke was.
@@TempoLOOKING that was bad too
That's weird, since I became interested in Star Wars firstly in 2015.
@@Lr.Laecro.Lirus3445 Star Wars and its lore long existed before 2015. Alienate the original fans of any franchise and you're shooting yourself in the foot. Lore exists for a reason.
I like to combine Legends and Disney Cannon to make the perfect cannon
That's what head canon is for. Only your canon should be true for you.
Disney could ve erase somethings from Legends like starkiller, return of palpatine, death of chewie etc they didnt have to destroy the whole lore. It feels like all those novels, comics, games and efforts that has been made to expend star wars feels like it was for nothing. They are not important anymore, now they all will be forgotten in decades later. It pains me to see this really. They just could ve continiue after 200 ABY that would be like restarting and creating future as if you liked. Though we see some good stories like Andor, Rogue One and Eclipse probably they didnt have to destroy everything... I will never ever forgive disney for what they have done.
Legends was always its own thing that was always going to be retconned by the films. George Lucas’s sequel trilogy retconned legends
@@BuzzingMeatNot true. There were 6 tiers of canon. And before you try to handwave that fact away, go look it up.
One of the best videos on legends I’ve seen
You should do a breakdown of. Oth legacy comics and point to all the similaritiea between it and the sequel trilogy.
And talk about what the legacy comics did better (and be fait and point out things the sequels did better to)
Because legacy really highlights the problems with the sequels.
The OT got me into Star Wars, but it was the books and games that made me a fanatic. The EU is always going to be canon to me. I refuse to call them "Legends". It is the Star Wars Expanded Universe, and Star Wars as a franchise ended on October 30, 2012. It's easier for me this way.
The hypothetical about a future decanonization of the sequel films at the end is spot on. The thing that EU fans are actually angry about is that Disney put an end to the EU and then shamelessly stole from it. If they had let people like Aaron Allston, Karen Traviss, and Timothy Zahn keep writing stories in the continuity we loved, we would've been able to make our peace with the changes in the ST much more easily (I would have still thought they weren't good, but I wouldn't have felt betrayed in the same way).
All I have to add is that the new canon is so good that life long star wars fans have quit caring about star wars, which is an amazing feat.
There is the post-ROTJ Legends, there is the pre-TPM Legends, there is TPM-ROTJ Legends, and there is Celeste Morne, the ultimate badass that has been in all those Legends! She is the goddamn legend!
As you said, the EU was amazing because it prioritized the maintaining the progression of Lucas’ iconic characters.
Disney killed off the entire family tree and has spent a decade wiping out that progression as though it never happened…all so their legacies could be rewritten into Disney’s character replacements.
3:47 is that fanart of Abeloth? if so, looks better than most official art, even though I didn't care for FOTJ.
It is! Looks pretty great
6:39 The only thing that Legacy of the Force tested was my desire to buy more Star Wars books. Seriously...what is it about that time period that makes Star Wars, be it Legends or Disney, so goddamn awful? For me Star Wars Legends ends with the cast laughing on Kashyyyk at the end of The Unifying Force.
Legends EU is the true canon of what happened to Luke and friends. Disney SW is a sad fanfic.
Sure, man.
Honestly, I think it was smart for Disney to create legends, on paper at least. But I think they should have done it with the purpose of “trimming the fat” rather than starting over; preserving the stories that fans really love, while still leaving room for future storytelling. As it stood, Star Wars canon was really less than curated. It had a lot of really excellent stories, far better than 90% of what Disney has put out so far, but it was convoluted. It wasn’t really supervised by George or Lucasfilm or anybody, and it ballooned out into this massive web of varying canonicity, with so many characters, it all starts to blur together, at least for me. Disney had a unique opportunity to cull the weakest parts of this canon, but where they went wrong was cutting all of it, without any real reason. They didn’t have to banish stories like the old clone wars cartoon, the thrawn trilogy, games like force unleashed and republic commando, or the entire old republic. We could have had a more streamlined Star Wars canon, with all of the good parts, and none of the bad, idealistically, at least. Disney could have had their cake and eaten it too, but now they really have nothing.
They definitely should've just dropped post Ot, bad EU stuff from pre and during OT, and TCW. It was there for them, it would've been so easy and they would've had so much to work with so they could rush TFA without it being a mess. But JJ Filoni and Kennedy wanted to make fan fiction 😔
SW legends is so clear of the SW canon then and now.
I love all three of these groups, i would have to say, i dislike the old Republic era the most, that doesn't mean i don't like it, i just find it to be the least interesting because of the bane era, the story and era of galactic era surrounding Bane so 2000-1000 BBY has a tendency to bore me, the Dragulch period and Darth Ruin just don't do it for me like the Naga Sadow, the Rakata, Exar Kun and Revan do, i dont know why though, i just feel like The Old Republic Era looses its magic after SWOTOR
I feel like I’m home
Welcome, mi amigo
To be fair the chosen one prophecy wasn’t a thing during OG trilogy and before the prequels the only reason I prefer the Dark Empire comics over TROS is because it was Anakin legacy (which is Luke,Han and Leia) that defeat the emperor plus it answers two question for me How powerful is the emperor in his youth? and what would it look like with if Luke turn dark side ? Let’s just Luke acting like Darth Vader in the comic is badass.
But it doesn't matter if dark empire was created before George came up with the chosen one. He came up with it, added it into the lore and everything else must fit or be retconned. I don't think that post-rotj sith or even reborn palpatine ruin the prophecy, it all depends on its interpretation. But dark empire, well becouse it was made earlier, doesn't acknawladge it at all. I think that it should have been rewritten when the prequels came in. Vader's sacrifice should have more meaning in the story. And if legends is continued in its own continuity some day, it would be perfect if they rewrote dark empire (and just dark empire).
@@emzonik8851Yeah but Disney did the exact same thing in there canon so really doesn’t matter in end I’m just saying legends did better.
@@jaieregilmore971 Yeah, I don't care about Disney and their crappy canon. Legends did better, but as I said, old canon also has some flaws. Had George made his sequels, likely everything post - Thrawn Trilogy would have been erased from the timeline. Or, George would have remade the EU into an official parallel unuverse (as he always viewed it as such).
@@emzonik8851 Yeah I know George Lucas would do things differently I just saying in terms of progression the story with the characters and new ones in Legends did it better than the Disney canon after return of the Jedi.
@@jaieregilmore971 Much better, I agree 100%. However, that's of course ignoring some really silly stories like planet of twighlight, crystal star, robo leia, marvel comics or tales. But TBH no one cares about those anyway XD. EU was and is the main dtory line of Star Wars to me.
The old Republic is the best era, no doubt.
Because legends was the original timeline of Star wars it was the old canon legends is about the history of the sith and Jedi and the wars they had against each other before the clone wars and before the films it all makes sense and for to say that legends was never part of canon is bull suit and a lie their was a let of evidence and proof on the internet that Lucas made it part of canon you can read the books novels video games magazines and comic books all said it was part of canon and part of the Star Wars universe
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If Disney was smart (and we all know they are not) they would make the Legends books in animation and make a trillion dollars!
Shows how creatively bankrupt, predictable, and safe they are. Disney Star Wars feels sterilized. It has none of the George Lucas magic which every single solid inch of the old canon hierarchy and the old order of the saga possessed.
@@saberiandream316 no shit mi amigo
Deliah Blue > Darth Talon
Fight me :p
Expanded Universe, if I'm correct, is the "parallel universe" in Star Wars. How about a Trilogy of this? OR... George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy?
Sadly you aren't. It's basically like the name, they're all "legends" in the Star Wars universe. They could've happened, or parts could've, but we don't know cuz Disney are bitches
I’m pretty sure 2D clone wars didn’t show who gave Anakin his scar. It does have a brief focus on it, Padme tracing her finger on it, but that was it. Wasn’t the culprit said to be Ventress in some other material?
Ventress did it in their fight together
I originally showed the clip but I had to cut it out because of copyright reasons
It was the 2008 version that changed the reason
@@TheFirstOkiro wait what? I don’t remember 08 clone wars addressing his scar. And do you mean their first fight? I just checked real quick and she gave it to him in a comic, in legends at least
@@jonmercano1138 huh you’re right 🤣wow my mind remembered it wrong
My bad!
@@TheFirstOkiro s’aright
@@jonmercano1138 08 CW moves it waaaayy too close to Geonosis
I feel like some parts of legends especially the events after Return of the Jedi to not really feel like star wars and more like some weird sci fi thing, but honestly im clearly biased because the "true star wars" I see is the one that is canon. Although legends was once part of actual star wars at a period of time.
I remember getting my "Heir to the Empire" graphic novel in fifth grade and having my mind blown... I also remember getting super jealous of Mara Jade because I had (and still have) a massive crush on Luke Skywalker
Haha, right there with you, my SW sister. :)
Mara Jade started my interest in red head girls😂😂😂 I've nvr told that to anybody b4🤣 it's nice being part of a community that understands my secret level of nerdiness lol
Heir to the empire and the Thrawn trilogy were awesome I recently read it for the first time and it rocked? Mara is awesome too such a great character
Do you still have it
Mara Jade. 😍
Can we get all of (if not, most) “Star Wars Legends” into 90 minute films in the Clone Wars 2003 animation?
To those who say like never failed. He literally killed the wrong person trying to Avenge his wife, struggled with how to to direct the jedi order and even failed at times to see events right under his nose. He screws up quite a bit in very human ways
He literally fell to the dark side at one point
@@lipartist For me, Luke's defining characteristic is his unwavering faith that there's always hope, even at the darkest moment. He may fail, but he will always get up and start again. That's what is missing for me in The Last Jedi. He just dies without, at least to my mind, a good reason. For me, him dying during the fight would have been much better, as he deserved a warrior's death. In contrast to the situation in the cannon, Luke does fuck up in Legends from time to time, but he always manages to bounce back. This is precisely the quality that I appreciate his character for. He went through hell but never lost hope.
The EU was one of the most beautiful things ever made. It's extremely unique in all of writing. It's this deep and very well-balanced universe with hundreds of books set in it that manages to still be contiguous, even if there are some rough spots here and there. The stories are just so immense and expansive, and excluding maybe a tiny few examples of poor lore (Sun Crusher stuff, Hand of Vader, the mind control gun) the worst is just middling or just didn't get properly executed but had really interesting ideas and deep concepts which unfortunately fell apart. The best of the EU is absolutely incredible and adds immensely to the story.
Dark Empire had faults, but it implemented a lot that is loved at the same time, the Dark Empire's technology and ideas explored very interesting things and created some much-beloved elements.
I personally can't stand the modern Star Wars, I _adore_ and _love_ world building. It doesn't really give anything of value to me and constantly breaks the continuity in ways I can't enjoy, not to mention the failings in character arcs and destruction of Han's and Luke's off-screen.
If you want some "new" Stat Wars Legends content then check out the WIP novel "Supernatural Encounters." It'll be the largest novel in the franchise and have dense world building akin to The Silmarillion.
@@blackshogun272 Ah, neat, I hadn't heard of that.
I just recently started my journey in to the EU and after finishing the Thrawn trilogy I can't believe I never read any of these books. I was blown away by that story and how well written it was. And God all the interesting characters, Talon and Mara were my favorites. Definitely a breath of fresh air after the derivative garbage disney had put out. In a way I'm thankful that the disney star wars is trash because it forced me to start reading these awesome books and comics set in my favorite fiction of all time. Currently reading The Old Republic comics and then I'll be starting the Jedi Academy trilogy and keep going all the way to the Legacy of the Force series. Fell in love with star wars all over again.
@@nicolasacosta1673 Aw hell yeah. Hey with your pfp of a Mando emblem, I gotta also recommend you read Blood Ties and some of the Boba Fett books.
It's not all gold, there's very little that quite reaches the heights of Thrawn Trilogy, though there is the Thrawn Duology which is also really excellent. I'd recommend you also check out the Revenge of the Sith novelization as something you might overlook, it's really excellent.
@@pubcle Thanks for the recommendations dude. I've actually been eyeing Blood Ties and it turns out it's like $10 off on amazon right now, so I'll be picking that up this week. And yea I've heard about the ROTS novelization being really good and expanding on the movie, definitely on the list.
At some point I also want to delve into some clone wars stuff too, especially after finding out that Filoni essentially deleted all of it and replaced it with his cartoon. I thought he only retconned some things here and there but nope, turns out he took a dump on all of it. I personally hated his depiction of the mandalorians. For me they've always been a culture not a race. Making them all human was so boring. But for now I'll try to focus on post ROTJ stuff as much as I can otherwise I think I'll never be done with so many books to read. 😅
One of the most baffling things about people associating Legends with dudebros and conservative fans is that Legends is actually way more diverse than Disney canon. Dozens of well written female characters, POC, hell, even the first LGBT character in Star Wars, Juhani from the first KOTOR, came from Legends. You can even romance her if you play with a female MC. Meanwhile Disney uses diversity in such shallow ways to pander to audiences who want to see more of that in media. Just look how badly they treated Finn and John Boyega himself during the sequels. Actually, one of my biggest gripes with TLJ is how they sidelined Finn, who was of equal importance to Rey in TFA, and just ran with it for TROS. They didn't even have the decency to acknowledge him being force sensitive in the film, we had to find out about it during post release commentary. Compare this to the prequels where not only Samuel L. Jackson was cast as a fucking Jedi Master, but dude even got to choose his own custom lightsaber colour for Windu. Wild.
How about Young Jedi Knights? It tells a great story about how you have to learn to live with a disability. Disabled representation! And her accident could be seen as gun-control allegory. Or, and this is still relevant today, the dangers of how easy it is for an otherwise decent fella to be drawn into a radical splinter group. That's chilling when you look at the shit going on today. And I find it hilarious that both left AND right hard-liners HATE these stories, the left because they think it's an attack on them to show a diverse group of fanatics unleashing a virus (hits a little too close to home), and the right because the word "diversity" triggers them and they'd tune out right away before even reading it. Well, as it stands, this flaming liberal is sticking to Legends over the Disnoids. Fuck the canon crap, they can't even keep it consistent for ten years, never mind forty. I'm choosing what I love.
I really don't care about that gay shit though, and you shouldn't either
Glad you mentioned Filoni at the start because he was Disney Wars before Disney Wars became official. Hated how he usurped already completed continuity that the Clone Wars multimedia project did that vastly improved the prequels (Filoni Clone Wars did not fix the prequels, folks).
Filoni worked on all of Disney, Star Wars, even created the backstory for the sequel trilogy. Imo he is a large part of the problem of what’s wrong with Disney Star Wars.
@@TheFirstOkiro HE DID WHAT? Then why so many fans lick his boots if he's part of the reason why sequels are so bad? How the same guy who made Clone Wars and Rebels help make such trash?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о because they grew up with the clone wars. You can 100% see disneywars in TCW: mischaracterization of almost all of the prequels characters (it's insane), destroying the plot of both the prequels and ot for his OC ahsoka, it's kinda crazy. I'm too lazy to fully explain, but I know there's a video out there about it on UA-cam
@@Jiub_SNYES!
@Juniper_Wippersnachebro literally introduced time travel just to save ahsoka....
“Canon only matters if you’re writing for Star Wars, not if you’re consuming it” is one of the best things you’ve ever said. I really wish more people would get behind this idea. Enjoy the stories you like from the Disney canon or legends, don’t let the label of “Canon” take away what they mean to you.
This has always been my mantra. I didn't like everything in Legends (EU), but I took what I loved and ignored what I didn't, and it worked out well. Other than Dark Empire, there was nothing I loathed. It's fiction--the only canon is what is in your head. No one can dictate to you what to accept or not accept. Sequel Trilogy?--not in my canon.
Heavily agree, this fandom desperately needs someone to explain the concept of headcanon and to realize that canon doesn't really matter at all
I just read this as he said the line lmao
@@nagger8216
That simply just false for several reason, canon is anything that is the based on what has happened in a story,film, book, etc( this not just about star wars, but other properties in general)
If it's no longer canon, then majority of people won't watch, read, or play the game of meaning over time less and less people will care or even know about it vs canon which will get tv shows, games, merchandise of its timeline frequently constantly talk about, parks built after it, etc.
( overall In the end legends will be simply overlooked by many for simply reason it's not canon and doesnt hold weight in overall story anymore) it will be forgotten or barely known overtime/ to make matter worse today most people don't read books over other entertainment options so it only going to get worse.
You and the other guy saying somehow canon doesn't matter is just so wrong and head canon is pretty much just another word for denial and low ball at worst fanfiction. The reason why people are pisst, because people know what I'm saying is pretty much true.
( note I hate the sequels, but even I know that garbargr is canon while legends isn't/ in fact their pulling stuff from legends into the canon timeline)
@@thealexgundam5006 "If it's no longer canon, then majority of people won't watch, read, or play the game of meaning over time less and less people will care or even know about it" Tell that to all the Thrawn and Revan fanboys that are still going strong.
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( overall In the end legends will be simply overlooked by many for simply reason it's not canon and doesnt hold weight in overall story anymore) it will be forgotten or barely known overtime/ to make matter worse today most people don't read books over other entertainment options so it only going to get worse." I very much doubt that, those stories have existed and influenced Star Wars for decades and still do. It's kinda hard to claim people are going to forget about them when the canon regularly reincorporates ideas and characters straight from Legends. You also act like they're banned and aren't being sold and read regularly, I doubt anyone's going to give a shit about some "LEGENDS" label on a SW book besides neckbeards.
"You and the other guy saying somehow canon doesn't matter is just so wrong and head canon is pretty much just another word for denial and low ball at worst fanfiction" I guess, but no one's going to break into my house and beat the shit out of me just because I consider Heir to the Empire and Knights of the Old Republic as canon, at the end of the day it's my interpretation of Star Wars and no one else can change that. Not to mention those kind of decisions aren't made by artists and writers, they're made by business men that couldn't give less of a shit about Star Wars if they tried. There's not much reason to care about their business decisions because that's all they are at the end of the day, business decisions, not artistic ones.
I've been a huge fan of Mara Jade ever since I read "Heir to the Empire" in the sixth grade. Not gonna lie, when you said we watch Luke struggle "as a widow," I teared up just a tiny bit. We'll miss you, Mara.
The Disney Trash Trilogy has nothing on Real Star Wars, The EU. Disney doesn't own Star Wars, I do. TFA is a cheap plagiarized version of Legacy Vol.2. Last Jedi is a quite original nothing and RoS is an awesome bookend, that perfectly closes and gives those "films" the deserved name of The Disney Trash Trilogy.
I LOVE legends sooo much. Following the same characters from the start of the thrawn trilogy till Abeloth. Jacen and Jaina are 2 of my favorites! Legends has HEART.
just remember: EVERYTHING that isnt' "Lucas canon" between 1974 and 2014 is considered "Legends" but the Expanded Universe are only the books that share continuity with Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy.
Disney doesn’t have the guts to bring in the Yuzzan Vong
You could have stopped at Disney doesn’t have the balls
or the ssri-ruuk.
Before the MCU and the DCEU/Arrowverse, there was Star Wars that told stories in every media.
With excellent continuity, i might add
Yes but unless they produce tons of Hollywood woke movies, they get ignored. The SW EU era was one of the most amazing periods for any franchise, ever.
Before that we had Stephen King novels.
@@juresaiyan it's insane that George gave his magnum opus to Disney. I get why he did it, getting old and wanting to spend time with his daughter, but ironically he gave it to the very thing he hated when he started Star Wars, corporations who just want money.
Palpatines return was also heavily hinted in beforehand. In the sequels it came out of nowhere whereas in dark empire, there's tall about imperial fleets disappearing, the Civil War between the imps dragging on longer than it should have, with imperial leaders getting random and contradictory orders, with imperial Warlords like Ardus Kaine suddenly making a beeline for the Deep Core
Palpatines return was set up in the Disney Star Wars Novels. Just it was so ambiguous. Like Dark Empire. Still despires Rise of Skywalker. But he was set up.
So many rich, beautiful, and thoughtful moments happened throughout the old EU. Post-ROTJ is my favorite era of SW and it will always be my canon. I love all SW, but the old EU novels was my SW even more so than the films.
good for you! My favorite era is the clone wars multimedia project! However, i started playing kotor recently and it is rivaling it
my favorite by far is the New Jedi Order and Legacy of The Force books
This is the best video to cover why the Expanded universe is still relevant to any fan that values good storytelling and development of characters. I was not a Star Wars fan during the years the EU was relevant. But after Disney’s poor attempt, I delved into the EU and I became obsessed with it so much I would say I am more of a fan of the EU than any of the movies.
Have you read the clone wars multimedia project? Its a treat
@@clonetrooper2003 i havent can you give me a link
@@AndreNitroX Well its different pieces of media. So i can’t give you a link to it. However, I have a reading order if gou would like me to give it to you!
@@AndreNitroX What I mean was it was a whole different bunch of media in a project like novels an games. here is the order
• Attack of The Clones
• Clone Wars - Volume #1: The Defense of Kamino
• Clone Wars - Volume #2: Victories and Sacrifices
• 2D Micro-Series: Chapters 1-7
• Clone Wars - Volume #4: Light and Dark
• 2D Micro-series: Chapters 8-20
• Shatterpoint (Matthew Stover)
• The Cestus Deception (Steven Barnes)
• Clone Wars - Volume #3: Last Stand on Jabiim
• Clone Wars - Volume #5: The Best Blades
• Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (While not part of the project, I STRONGLY recommend reading before the Medstar Duology, since a certain character from Shadow Hunter reappears in said Duology )
• Medstar Duology (Michael Reaves & Steve Perry)
• Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
• 2D Micro-series: Chapter 20-22
• Clone Wars - Volume #6: On The Fields of Battle
• Clone Wars - Volume #7: When They Were Brothers
• Clone Wars: Volume #8: The Last Siege, The Final Truth
• Republic Commando
• Labyrinth of Evil (James Luceno)
• Revenge of the Sith (+ Novelization)
• Star Wars Battlefront II (2005) - Rise of The Empire Story Mode Campaign
BONUS: READING ORDER
• Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader (James Luceno)
• Clone Wars Volume #9: Endgame
• Dark Times Comic Series
• The Force Unleashed (THE FINALE
@@clonetrooper2003 thank you
Darth Talon my waifu 🥰🥰🥰🥰also don’t forget my favorite Zeltron Deliah Blue 🥵🥵🥵
Can you dedicate a video to Star Wars Legacy more? Much appreciated
It's a crime to not name Darth Zannah ya know.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk The best female non-Jedi is obviously No Jedi, both in terms of actual character and looks.
I remember discovering the EU as a little kid and being blown away by the fact that there was more to SW than just the movies and games.
The best part was when you explained for Sequel fans what it is like for us legends fans. It's not about something being better or worse, it's not about being toxic, it's about the fact that we loved these stories, only for them to be thrown to the wayside. This is why I don't support retconning the Sequels, because it's just going to cause another giant wound in the fanbase. And now that things are finally looking up, and all kinds of Star Wars fans are uniting behind the Mandalorian, the Bad Batch and soon hopefully Kenobi, more division is the last thing we need
they can have their Disney canon but the sequels ARE a trigly of retcons that don't fit into the universe of Star Wars like turning the force into a generic superpower that u can pull all kinds of abilities out form ur ass without having to work for it. Also ruining the conclusion from the OT which is the true conclusion of Star Wars.
The sequels are a giant wound in the fanbase and thus no further damage will happen if they're gone but reverting the franchise back to its former glory.
@@medalgear654 While I personally agree with you with you, we have to accept that not everyone does
@@medalgear654 that’s not even true though, legends had plenty of force abilities that were ridiculous and seem like “because the force and stuff”. Luke making a force projection, or Snoke setting up a force bond between Kylo and Rey isn’t really that implausible for the universe of StarWars. Not counting Rise of Skywalker (because even diehard sequel trilogy enjoyers like myself will admit that one sucks), continuity isn’t broken. Also, whether you like them or not, just retconning everything isn’t going to fix anything, it’s just going to rip apart the still healing fan base. There is no former glory to go back to, we have to move on.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 The EU also has it's share of flaws. I have seen people vehemently hate Darth Krayt's Empire and even the Yuuzhan Vong war. But I love the EU for both it's pros and cons. The EU has reached immortality. I don't like the Canon lore and vastly prefer EU lore. But I am very happy that the EU happenned. But if some poeple actually like the Disney canon and enjoy it, more power to them and I wish them the best. I couldn't find enjoyment in them.
@@TheNamelessScholarOfficial I understand, I just think that people calling force projection something ridiculous for the continuity while also sacrificing their firstborn child to get the EU back are hypocrites.
All of legends is more canon to me than diseny's shitty canon.
Amen, mi amigo
Yah to bad most sold out.
I love Star Wars Expanded Universe way better than Disney Star Wars.
Legends is the only sequels. What a waste of money, actors and time with the laziest most jarring films I've ever seen on the big screen in the Disney sequels
Disney star wars canon has no depth stakes lore philosophy world building creativity inspiration ect it's a poorly written generic watered down childish small repetitive uncreative soulless universe
In the WIP novel "Supernatural Encounters" the author takes a jab at Canon and references it as a failed universe that's a disjointed replica that pales in comparison of the original...
Thanks for doing this breakdown, I've been getting into the EU more recently and it's nice to have a list of all the important stuff without having to go through a massive list that has every little piece of SW media in existence
I remember walking out of Rise of Skywalker and did not say a word the whole drive home. I was THAT disgusted by what Disney had done to this Universe. The amount of effort and talent that different writers and artists put into the Legends continuity over the decades is mind boggling. The overwhelming majority of my favorite characters in the Star Wars universe have NEVER been in a single film with them in it. To this day, I have yet to watch any of the sequel trilogy films again. Every time I see Rey and Kylo Ren on screen, I just think of Jaina and Jacen Solo. Every time I see Luke being the depressed, pessimistic schmuck he is in The Last Jedi, I remember how incredible and inspiring he was in Legends. This canon was literally gift wrapped to Disney and they absolutely destroyed the amazing potential they had. To me, the sequel trilogy is glorified fan fiction. THIS……This will ALWAYS be the real Star Wars. And I know that I’m not alone..
Good said.
couldn't agree more
Why are you guys always overdramatizing things so hard, it's supremely annoying. What petty lifes you all must have. Must be tough being that bitter for years now.
@@Lr.Laecro.Lirus3445 The movie is a movie by committee. Story treads set up in The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi either go nowhere or are retroactively changed. Rey’s parents being “nobodies” in The Last Jedi, only to have this movie say, just kidding, she’s the grand daughter of Emperor Palpatine. How there is zero explanation for Palpatines return from the dead. How him being brought back spits in the face of Vader’s sacrifice at the end of ROTJ. How Finn has NOTHING to do in this film. How Rey and Ben are basically the same character by the end of the film. How the Knights of Ren are barely used. How Palpatine is killed by Rey making an X with her lightsaber. How she, a Palpatine descendant is now the sole holder of the Skywalker name. I could go on and on. This movie was absolutely garbage. The idea that the filmmakers had 30 years in real time to nail down a story and THIS was the best they could do is absolutely absurd at best and horrifyingly awful at worst. This wasn’t a film…..it was an ending by committee. You’re more than welcome to enjoy such a thing. But filmmakers in the late 1970’s, early 1980’s made 100X better Star Wars films and had to work 1000X to make it happen, I call low efferent garbage out when I see it.
@@roc5291 Most of your points have all long been debunked, but to be quite honest, I'm definetely not gonna waste time explaining it all to you. All I'm gonna say is, because a movie has inconsistencies and plot holes, it somehow is not a movie? What? Search the term "movie" again maybe.
Loved your bit on Legacy. It holds a special place in my heart
Same here! 🥲I think you can tell since I spent the most time on it
Star Wars Legends The TRUE Canon !👍🏻
Indeed!
I never got into Legends but it’s a shame so much content got nuked. I wished that they kept Legends going as a separate continuity that didn’t have to be canon but could have still told stories with Legends characters
There is one part of Star Wars Legends that is still pushing out new stories and that is the Star Wars The Old Republic MMO.
Thank god. I need to play that game when I finish the KOTOR duology
THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE is far superior to Disney
That is True
Did you ever hear of the tragedy of the Star Wars Expanded Universe?
New Star Wars Fan: No.
I thought not, it's not a timeline Disney would tell you about. They're now a so-called Legends story. The Star Wars Expanded Universe was a collection of novels, comic books, video games, roleplay, radio shows, HoloNet, parodies, Holiday Specials, animated shows and TV movies it could use the lore of Star Wars to tell brand new stories and introduce very well written characters. It had such a great knowledge of Star Wars it kept many fans from going toxic and berserk.
New Star Wars Fan: It could keep the fans in check?
The Expanded Universe is a pathway to many great stories some considered to be non-canon.
New Star Wars Fan: And what happened?
It became so vast with stories, that the only thing it feared was being decanonized which, eventually of course it did. Unfortunately, it taught its new apprentice Disney everything it knew. Then Disney decanonized it when they purchased LucasFilm. Ironic how the animated Clone Wars series could survive this purge and remain canon. But not the Expanded Universe.
New Star Wars Fan: Is it possible to learn these stories.
Not from Disney.
Just bought heir to the empire last week and I love it. I just wish we could get more stories of them. Maybe have eu take place in a different timeline so stuff like the sequels to please all fans
Well, legends is already a dofferent timeline. Thise stories are connected and they form one universe. But the issue is, it's freezed. No new stories.
@@emzonik8851 I don’t try to brag about this much but I’m making a Star Wars series that replaces the sequels. I’m bringing in people like Finn and rey(and yes even Rose) and also legends characters like the solo children. I’m trying to unite the sequel and eu fans together
@@ThomNelson22 So its kinda legends and canon crossover story. Nice
@@emzonik8851 basically. And I try to add new stories since it felt like the sequels were a copy of the ot
Read the rest of the Thrawn trilogy, then you should go for the X-wing Rogue squadron books next, I'm on the third one myself and they're fantastic. The OT main characters barely feature in them so far and honestly I don't even mind, the Rogue squadron crew and other characters are so compelling I don't feel that Luke, Leia or Han have to take center stage here.
Legends are far far better than disney canon. The disney canon is very childish.
And poorly written and bad with continuity
You can't recreate the excitement we had when Heir came out. It had been like 7 years since Jedi. There was no other content & Heir came out of nowhere. Pre-Internet so yeah. Then when Dark Force came out, people were sleeping outside of bookstores.
It sucks that there was 30 + years of lore than fans got attached to and Disney just said “yeah fuck that” to all of it
Thanks for mentioning the context of the Emperor returning. A lot of Dark Empire critics use the chosen one prophecy as an excuse to not think about the context. They forget that 'a prophecy, misread, could have been.'
I know im a year later to this but i wanted to point out that basically the Emperor, being defeated by the Chosen One. Will Forever be destined to fail whenever he returns in even the far future of the EU. Because the BLOODLINE from the Chosen one will forever keep a leash on Palpatine since the nexus in the force is gone. I think that's pretty cool imo
Oh and don't worry, this would still mean the Prophecy of the Chosen one was never misread in the lore of the EU! 👍🏽
In my opinion the Prequels, the Orginals, and Legends are Canon. (I also consider Fallen Order Canon)
What ab tcw?
@@Jiub_SNtcw doesn't fit into legends
If you know the name Sha’a Gi, you have my respect
Clone wars micro series. Killed by grievous
I do. Same applies to ajunta pall for me tbh
It seriously is a tragedy that Disney took over Star Wars and got rid of the Expanded Universe.
No shit
But hey at least its safe from disney’s writers am i right
@@clonetrooper2003Yes. Still, we'll never get a Dooku novel from Luceno in the mold of Plagueis, thanks to the Disney buyout. We won't get books about Operation Durge's Lance or actually interesting Dark Times books either. We won't get anymore good games, or comics.
@@fiddlesticks7245 YEah, all we have are to rely on HandOfThrawn45's fan fiction to keep us happy
@@clonetrooper2003 Who?
Disney canon is Mostly retcons canon and bad ideas like the high Republic which is pure cringe. Legends will continue to outdo it every damn day till the franchise eventually dies
EU... It will always be The EU... Disney cannot change what it is and what it means to us
Beautifully made video, this video is incredible I’ve recommended it to so many people, and I can’t stop watching it, Star Wars is Star Wars to someone, canon legends or other there is no right answer and people are allowed to pick and choose what they love and that is ok, this video made me happy to be apart of the Star Wars community again so thank you so much 😊
Agreed this video really inspired me to continue fanart of the EU and to never give up defending it on its relevancy
My back is pretty messed up, but I’ve enjoyed listening to many videos on this channel! Appreciate your work.
Legends will always be canon not the garbage disneyfied crap
YESSSSSSSS \o/ "insane balls to the wall dinner table" is the perfect way to sum up Legends
Imagine a dimension where both the sequels and the EU were both canon and all star wars fans could live in peace and harmony
small slipup at 15:00 - Anakin got the scar towards the tail end of the *Republic* comics, not in the CW microseries
Yeah i remember that. The clone wars republic issues are so good. Unpopular opinion: I prefer saleucami to jabiim cuz it is a culmination of awesomeness
Great video. Strange how not many EU fans (I'm never gonna use the word "lEgEnDs") haven't pointed out how Jao Assam from Legacy Volume 2 is essentially the GOOD version of Finn from the Disney trash.
Honestly, what makes this aggravating is that Disney has no intention of continuing the EU. At all. Aside from throwing crumbs like updating SWTOR or that one Marvel issue, they ditched the old authors after making them write 1 or 2 novels under their banner, in favor of corporate approved servants.
On the other hand, Disney themselves know the sequels are hot trash that split people apart, therefore they spent the past 3 years distancing themselves and just dangling keys to keep people happy : TCW Season 7, The Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, the upcoming Kenobi, Ahsoka, Andor shows. The reasons why I can't get into Disney Star Wars is :
1) It's way too simplified and dumbed down. Rebels is too kiddy, Mando is a boring, overrated western padded with fetch quests and nostalgia cameos. TBoBF was trash and only confirmed the mass delusion people have about "Filoni and Favreau saving Star Wars" to be wrong. Nope, TLJ still exists. Deal with it.
2) It's disgustingly derivative. Either from the OT, as the bulk of Disney Star Wars is set in-between the PT and OT, or during or slightly after the OT. They throw all these pitiful easter eggs to please EU fans and convince normies that they're "cAnOnIzINg" things, when it's just dumbed down, worse and devoid of its original meaning and context. Take the Dark Troopers and Tython in Mando. I DON'T CARE if they're there, because they're no longer tied to Kyle Katarn or Darth Bane's stories.
3) None of their more original stories really stand out. So many novels and comics have already been retconned : the Ahsoka novel by TCW Season 7, Kanan Last Padawan by The Bad Batch, the Aftermath trilogy by The Mandalorian and TBoBF. Who the HELL cares about Iden Versio ? Or the Tumblrina OC known as Dr Aphra ? Or the insipid KOTOR wannabe known as The High Republic. The Romeo and Juliet sappy romance known as Lost Stars ? Or seeing Leia failing as politician AND mother in Bloodlines ? Or Lando's Karen droid ?
Outside of Rogue One and Jedi Fallen Order, there's really NOTHING about these stories that stand out. The characters are bland or trash, the stories are bland, demeaning or trash, worldbuiling and lore are lazy or nonexistent.
I can't get invested, and I don't get why some people would except for them having really low standards.
You hit the nail on the head. Low standards and being gullible idiots. And Disney can't keep running away from their problems forever, but they don't know what to do or where to take the direction of Star Wars. Someday they'll have to confront it, if only because the customer base forces them to. And I can't wait for that, it's gonna be *_glorious._*
Ill always remember the moment over 12 years ago that i read the Thrawn trilogy for the first time. And i found out that they cloned Luke with his severed hand. Blew my mind.
Dude, I'd love to watch a 1 hour video gushing over the Old Republic era---- any subsection! SWTOR era, Kotor 2, the far past with the Mandalorian Wars and Exar Kun, hell even the Great Hyperspace war! Your vid was fantastic!!!
And a 2 houre retrospective on the clone wars multimedia project plz
25:30 as if legends doesn't have black or women characters in lead roles