Have we failed to develop Vedic Social Theory for Modern Bharat? | Varna Jati Caste
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In the launch of the path breaking new book, VARNA, JATI, CASTE, Rajiv Malhotra debates Prof Kapil Kapoor and Madhu Kishwar on the lack of a Vedic Social Theory for modern times in our curriculums. Until this is achieved, we will continue to be reactive to the western social theories that are being applied to our civilization. A Vedic social theory does not consist of praising our ancient society, or criticizing other societies, or blaming western biases. A social theory is an entirely different enterprise, and Rajiv Malhotra proposes such an academic project.
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This is a conversation that should have been initiated a decade ago.Better late than never.
Let’s have a theory suitable to all and start practicing
We have two stages
General theory
Special theory for Particular section of Sampradaya
A theory for inside the circle of section to practice
We need a simplified modern
Theory for Hindus in
Small circle ⭕️
Medium circle ⭕️ and
Large circle ⭕️
Theory for largest circle ⭕️- Vasudhaiva kudumbakam 🙏
20:00 Gandhi himself has said he got concept of satya graha from Tolstoy.
सम्मानके साथ यहि मेरा मनमे दुख राहा
कि संस्कृतका शब्द - सब्दार्थं-शब्दस्वरूप =यन्त्र/ कोही भी बने
What we r doing now was deliberated 12 000 yrs + in Bharat. Evidence in Indus Saraswati points to a society that was not ego centric around a king or emperor. Indicators point to a " priest ruler " a Sabha, a public bath yet no grand burrial sites around a leaders legacy. Tends to indicate a high level of socialism had been achieved. The pain of 1 is felt by the many.
All north indians talking abt India, , Vedic unity is ok !!But South indians dont know Hindi !!English is a must as link language, as assured by Nehruji !!Samskrit and Vedic knowledge is essential for all,but linguistic sentiment must be honoured by all !!!Jaihind ✌✌✌🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
In Rig vedic period there was no caste system. No idol worship. 4 varnas were there. Varna was used to be decided by merits only. Let's return to that period. So that a person born from sudra parents can also be Bramhins and a person born from Bramhin parents can also be a sudra purely based on merits
Mr. Kapoor will lost most of the audience when he said sex is only for procreation😂! He had no structured thought process, unorganized chaos!
Answer is right in front of us.
Mughal Raj destroyed Gurukul, killed Pundits, Pujari, Brahmin and Sadhus so education system dies.
Then came the Portuguese and British Raj who did even worse.
After 1947 brown skin whiteman ideology and teaching carried on. In a country SC only hear you in English. Only county on planet do this. Look at me and you we speaking English so only few people can understand.
Here Vedic theory or Vedic teaching government have duty to make it national policy but politicians says we are secular country so no one language as a national language again only country on this planet who says they are secular but law is not for everyone different law for different communities.
A fake secular country.
What an enlightening discussion! 🙏
THANK YOU SIR We need to put together an alternative document.
We have to contextualise / regularise Vedic Thaught with day to day modern life and challenges . We need a leader which demonstrates this which can be emulated by others . Also train teachers and educators at a large scale.
This is a 250 year process which we have not even started.
@@rutvikrs yes. But this process must be initiated . A Vision and framework must be proposed and as we start working on it we can evolve the vision and framework. There are many people who do this in their own way. We have to identify them and bring under one umbrella . It night not take that long. Some dividends you might get in the short term as well.
@@chingling4375 since you are interested in this topic which I have been thinking and writing about(in private), I urge you to read just 3 Wikipedia pages in full: 1. Treaty of Westphalia 2. Property rights(Economics) 3. Human rights.
This is not the government or society setting up a panel of experts and they solve a problem. It is more like taking a plunge into an underwater cave of unknown size without any tools. When you don't know the problem you can't define the method or solution.
@@rutvikrs When you don't know the problem ? We may not know the entirety of a problem , but we can make a modest beginning. We took several years to build Tejas but now we have greater momentum. Share your work with other who are into this. Collectively we can make progress faster. Principles of Continuos Quality Improvement (CQI). Rome was not built in a day. Have faith and take the first step. If you think of 250 yrs you have already given up. At some point some you pass on the baton. Humility and persevearance.
@@chingling4375 bear with my lack of brevity,
It doesn't work quite like Tejas because you are describing reverse engineering an existing invention. Creating a political philosophy is the process of society creating political axioms, living through different political systems, which react differently to large cycles of time and accumulate theories, observation and experiences. That process is what creates a unique and robust political system.
Western political theory in my definition today is a battle between axioms of collectivist vs liberal vs conservative vs libertarian.
Now imagine an Excel sheet with axioms along the X axis and conditions(war victory, economic ruin, famine, civil war, religious reform, technological progress, etc) along the Y Axis. The table that is created has the response of each axiom.
In the course of 200 years, they accumulate experience and even flip positions. In the west, a conservative had been racist but is now about a multiracial religious unity. a libertarian has moved from anti capitalism to pro capitalism. A liberal has gone from pro free speech to reasonable restriction on speech. A collectivist used to be communist authoritarian and is now a social democrat.
This is what happened in Europe post Renaissance. A colony called the USA picked the best out of the learnings and has created a clearly unsustainable empire that will last another 20-50 years.
We don't even have the axioms based on our history. All we have is Trad vs raita vs liberal which is a sorry imitation of the western system and not based on our values at all.
I don't mean to procrastinate or have a defeatist attitude when I say 250 years. You are not looking at creating a new document, you are creating a garden/biome of ideas that want to kill each other.
आप लोग बहुत ही बढ़िया काम कर रहे हैं। मां सरस्वती व सिद्धी धात्री, आपको सही मार्ग दिखाएं।🌹🙏🌹
राजीव मल्होत्रा जी को शत शत नमन।उनके हाथ मजबूत करने होंगे।
A usual Rajiv ji has touched upon a very new yet important subject which has been largely sidelined by the academia so far A very good beginning and enlightening discussion , it is a very substantial project which will see a lot of intellectual churning of our vast & deep indic thought, universal values & good practices in the coming days in association with such sincere scholars. Thankyou so much Rajiv Sir for the great Pravartan.
With due respect to the Mahanubhavs here...our prime sources is only Vedas...and Vedanta...which is the Upanishads. Isavasya Upanishad, and Suktams like the Ambharni Sukta, or the Sri Suktam have some ideas related to Rashtra and Sociology. And these ideas have already been developed in Kannada by people like DV Gundappa, SL Bhiarappa and a modern day scholar Dr RA Ra Ganesh. Unfortunately people don't spend time reading beyond English and Hindi. Two hours with Dr Ganesh is enough. He will give you specific references...and Dr DVG the Jnanapith Awardee...who worked - Pro Bono as a Personal Assistant to Sir M Vishweshvariah, the Architect of KRS Dam and Modern Mysore State....Again on Aesthetics...no one has heard of Prof Hiriannaiah. Pls come to Bangalore Sirs, and spend time here... you will find a treasure grove here. It will be worth your while.
All religions claim divine origin but in reality are man made. Eg vedas which claim rishis saw shloka in deep state of meditation are just talking about 10 clans their rituals and wars etc.
As if God didn't know or ignored people existing in other parts of world.
There is no esoteric knowledge in it.
Many of the belief are proven wrong scientifically eg meru parvat as center of universe , earth residing on huge turtle etc.
There is whole movement to move towards vedic science which is stupid
There are many great PhDs and books on Vedic Polity, sociology and jurisprudence। It's just that contemporary academics does not promote such scholars। Sumedha Ojha has a good series on you tube। It's just that we don't promote our own।
एकम सनातन भारत दल अपने सप्त सिद्धांतों मे ऐसा ही कुछ समावेश करने की बात कर रही है - कुछ उम्मीद लगती है।
E.S.N.D. can learn a lot from the sage sh. Rajiv Malhotra
This is why Rajiv Malhotra is the numero Uno generalist of Hindutva and Indic movement. I have been thinking about this problem since 2016.
We need many more like him. He can train people and send them on a worldwide mission . One step at a time and country specific.
Stop thinking and do the world a favour.
You have any questions on the discussion you can ask. Your labeling business will not work here. We know labels such as colonialists, imperialists, crusaders missionaries, jihadies naxals. By tagging your opponent you cannot gain. We know what the white people and their followers did here. Killed millions. Enslaved millions robbed millions. Spread false images of our selves. You want to sustain them work on that. We want to dismantle them. We have freedom we do have power and wealth. So we will do it.
Ekam sanatan bharat is only option for us now. Bjp betyrated us
@@chingling4375 I'm listening him since 2014 and yet know came like him
I salute to the the Professor for his knowledge and memory, I do t think he got the basic concept what Rajeevji was telling. We need many young, hungry boys and girls to get trained under Rajeevji. He not only have necessary knowledge but also how to approach and implement them. He is a true Rushi.🙏
I would not say we have failed when the society at large thinks of this only now. We were not allowed to even give voice to such a concept, 3even if it had occured to students of sociology!
PS. : The faculty would have failed the student who presented such a paper for his/ her thesis!
Thank you so much Rajiv jMalhotra ji , I love to watch your talk shows. We are truly fortunate to watch this discourse .
Eye opening discussion..🙏👍
अग्निधर्मा आचार्यवर राजीव मल्होत्रा जी एवम् आचार्यवर कपिल कपूर जी के तार्किक , तथ्यपरक विमर्श को भारतीय शिक्षा तंत्र में समाहित करना चाहिए! सादर
Thank you for such wisdom .We need to interpret our Vedas and vedic society from a Hindu perspective and NOt through a western template
All societies have own norms and socialism we also have, but after thousand years of invasion we got confused to choose who's socialism our own was sidelined and attempted to be destroyed and some attempted to choose conversion . Presently leadership has nationlism inclination and is conducive for getting back our own indian,sanatan,hindu culture .
Sociology is based on several basic assumptions that guide the study of human society and social behavior. These assumptions include:
Society is a social construct: Society is not a natural or biological entity but is constructed through human interaction and culture.
Society shapes individuals: Society, through its norms, values, and institutions, shapes individual behavior, beliefs, and attitudes.
Social life is patterned: Social life follows patterns, structures, and routines that are observable and can be studied scientifically.
Social life is dynamic: Society and social behavior are constantly changing and evolving over time.
Social behavior is influenced by culture: Culture, including beliefs, values, norms, and symbols, shapes social behavior and provides a framework for social interaction.
Social behavior is influenced by social structure: Social structure, including social institutions and social stratification, also shapes social behavior.
Social behavior is influenced by social context: Social behavior is shaped by the specific social context in which it occurs, including the physical environment, social relationships, and cultural norms.
These assumptions provide the foundation for sociological inquiry and guide researchers in their efforts to understand and explain the complex nature of human society and social behavior.
WHAT ARE THE BASIC ASSUMPTIONS OF VEDIC SOCIOLOGY???
I challenge Malhotra's students to answer this.
I am going to bet that Vedic Sociology unlike the Western Science of sociology has religious and metaphysical assumptions.
Agree. Thank you for saying that
We don't have it because as a society we Hindus are failing in our spiritual duties.
Super discussion! RM ji, Madu ji, Prof ji you are awesome! This is so badly the need of the hour when Western societies are imploding to self-destruction. We need Bharat to stop importing their woke ideas and reawaken to her own vastly superior structures of societal organisation. Heartfelt support to your efforts and it is all our collective duty to awaken all our Hindu brothers and sisters to this issue. Thank you!
Just Awesome......Creating an AWAKENING....
He has been around the last thirty years plus. It takes a long time to penetrate the crust of human minds. For the first time he is challenging the majority of Hindus to be "honest" about themselves in their introspection, and stop verbal diarrhea!
If you have met him in the past, he has always been this way.
A most essential action to be taken for Hindu Rashtra and society. Congratulations to P Guru for initiative, but this could be time taking. Government must be pressured to give this study a priority
Brahman, Sat Chit Ananda, is the most fundamental to Sanatana Dharma.
All other concepts like, Jiva, Janma, punar janma, karma, varna, ashrama, Dharma etc., All these are derived from that concept of Brahman.
The present day confusion is mainly due to lack of correct understanding of the concepts.
All the darshanas main purpose is to give clear vision about truth. If pursued sincerely without selfishness, darshanas provide clear vision.
Unfortunately, due to selfishness and ego, with one upmanship thought, of the pandits of darshanas failed miserably.
It is true particularly of nyaya.
If pursued sincerely without ego, nyaya, being logic, would have provided clear vision.
There is great misconception that Brahman and its derivatives cannot fit into logic, which is purely untrue.
The purpose of logic is to take us to truth, realise truth, which is Brahman.
There can be many paths to reach truth, but THERE CANNOT BE MORE THAN ONE TRUTH. Darshanas can have different understanding, paths, but cannot have different conclusions. If there are different conclusions, it means there is great fault in understanding. Forgetting this, each darshan came to different conclusions, truths.
Unknown Truth, if enquired sincerely without ego, definitely will opens itself and enlightens anyone.
आप सव विद्धवानो को सुनकर मेरी आंखो में आंसु आ गए। I have tears in my eyes as listen to you all learned people, the elders. आप सबको प्रणाम, राजीव जी को कोटि कोटि धन्यवाद। Rajiv ji , you are a man of action, the man of living dharma and karma, very inspiring. आप भटके हुर समाज के लिए प्रेरणा के श्रोत है। I want to be part of your efforts and project, mentally I am and learning everyday but hopefully one day I will have courage and situation to contribute practically in on the ground in Bharat Rashtra project at the scale you are talking about. Jai Bharat, जय भारत
जय श्री राम 💐💐🙏🙏
Ek baar maxmular k likhe sahitya padh lo ankho me barud bhar jayega. Itni ulta pulta likha h usne
18:50 constitution can not be made word of God like religious books that cannot be changed. It has to adapt as per time so 100 amendment are good thing sign of thinking democracy not bad thing
Please invite Kusumita Kedia ji on such talks next time. She can contribute a lot as well .
Pl.share her contact
Vedic era is much younger than the Indus Valley civilization...
संस्कृत और वेद का बखान अंग्रेजी भाषा में - भाई लोगों संस्कृत में अपनी बात को कहो - सोचते हो अंग्रेजी में और इस्तेमाल करते हो पश्चिम जगत में आविष्कार किया हुआ साधन - खैर ये अपनी कुंठा का प्रदर्शन खूब किये हो - और भी ऐसे दृश्य देखने को मिलेंगे - उम्मीद तो है
Great work RajivJi 👍👍👍
That's wrong. The eldest male member becomes the Karta, sad to see that false information is being given in such discourse.
15:04 British magna Carta is more than millenia old
Codification of Dharmic Law to replace Abrahamic (Hindu) Law and Abrahamic Constitution imposed on the Dismembered Abrahamic Secular India (DASI - servant of Abrahamic Iconoclastic Desert Sects (AIDS -disease):
Professor Rajiv Malhotra has been trying to develop our "Dharmic Sociology" - A theoretical framework for our society based on Veda, Dharma Shastras, Smritis, etc. - to replace the Abrahamic sociology imposed on us. There is a need to develop a new smriti based on all previous ancient smritis to replace ancient smritis like Manu, Yajnavalkya, etc. smritis, and Abrahamic Hindu Law (smriti) in place today, created and imposed on Hindus by colonials, both brown and white skinned. I hope that we will get there before the completion of Gazwa e Hind planned for 2047! Otherwise, Shariat will be the new smriti!
Valuable and insightful
Madhu Kishwar generally does not make sense most of the time
The last concluding statement by Kapil ji was brilliant.
Need to modify the responsibility of Supreme Court. Only constitutional matters should be taken up in Supreme Court.
Vidhura Neeti is what the answer is for all these questions from Rajiv Malhotra. He, Vidhur, was a minister and later advisor to all-knowing Yudhishira.
Chankya neeti also have some principles on society and raaj niti... Someone will have to read all smritis and geeta and Chankya and Vidhura etc... to come up with these theories
@@DaarShnik जय श्री राम 💐🙏
@@parasnathyadav3869 जय श्री राम। जय हिंद
Best, want more
Unbroken oral transmission of the Rig Yajur and Sama Vedas from ancient times has existed to this day in the South. Respectfully, it did not require Prof Max Mueller to recover any part of the Veda.
There is Dharmashastra compilation by PV Kane which is usually used by our courts for dealing Family law issues and considered as most authentic .The present Hindu law of mitakshara that our courts refer to doesn't consider Female as 'karta' usually as Prof kapil kapoor say.However "Mitaksharisation of hindu law" is also mistake of Hindu law codified in 1950s.Shrimati Madhu ji refer to " what can be structure of 'Hindu rastra ' we can use sabha samiti democratic model of veda electing Rajan and 12 ratnins serving him,including Purohita.we can have viashali model of 7 level of Judiciary also along with fact that samiti is highest judicial body .samiti can act like activist judiciary for safeguarding Hindu interest . We should considering present challenges ,must give "Right to Recall" against all constitutional or legal authorities ,from village to national level.We can also consider separate election of temple authorities directly by people from "cadre of purohita which could be seperate service itself elected by shastrath conducted in front of public" .we can build temple economy only when people has direct control."Right to study at Gurukul is everyone fundamental right with all vedic sciences and social sciences in curriculum.
This is a proposed structure based on the old world, it isn't a robust social theory ecospace that technological society needs. The modern Western society is an outcome of the property rights vs international trade vs labour dialogue.
Regarding Hindu sociology and Hindu economic system there is already a system developed almost few decades back by the propounded of Ananda Marga. The society as per him moves spiro cyclical way and there are the ages of Kshattriya,Vipra, Vysya and Shudra this cycle keeps repeating in the society and there needs to be spiritual warriors who are sadvipra and who will hasten the transition from one age to the other whenever there is exploitation. We are now in the vysyan era where corporate kingdoms rule and the gap between the rich and poor has increased. Similiarly there is an economic theory called as PROUT progressive utilization theory which could be looked at as the templates are already there.
When a common man understand what intellectuals speaking then society grows richer and richer ,but the debate here is intellectuals never understand the society ,they filled their ideas with their interpretations.
sorry but. I am a student and understand every word of this discussion and agree with it. you cant understand it without living a Sanatani dharmic life.
full support from rashtra do it guys give us our societal structure book.
Just a tip. A handsfree, battery operated microphone usage will help speakers to articulate with their hands!
Amazing…great 🌹🌹🙏🌹
Varnasrama is both occupational framework and asrama framework, where celibate students , householders, retired persons and spiritual sanyasis are all addressed by Lord Krishna.
Best discussion.
Kudos.
I am not social scientist but based on my experience, I would say the following:
1. The first theory of specialization came from hindus ie varna system and jati system. Now that we ourselves and our politicians have discredited all this, we are hiding our face on account of jati and varna system. I find nothing g wrong with this. One is grouped based on inclination and knowledge imparted from father to son etc. To the based on my knowledge, no other society has such wonderful arrangement.
2. Second element is very cohesive family system, family funding education, business and marriage etc of children even to the extent of taking loan. There is no other society which does so much for family including brothers and sisters.
3. The village panchayat system of managing even major disputes wigh the village. After Independence all this is destroyed.
4. Nonviolence and non killing of human being, trees, animals to the extent that it is sin to kill animals, or cut trees. After arrival of muslims and Christians this has gone to toss. After Independence, this is further degraded where one can find buture shops all over.
Etc etc
Good start. We need a national effort to take this forward.
I agree with your characterization with some minor disagreements on point one, but by and large this system was also the reason for our downfall:
1. Because of point 4, We lost the socio economic edge against colonising Muslims who are today known for creating large canals, roads and new agricultural lands(disrespecting nature) and creating a large revenue base to stay in power and the British who essentially made India into a plantation. I am not saying Hindus were and are incapable of implementing this, I am doubtful of our ability to initiate the process. Since we respect nature, we focused on sustainability rather than scale.
2. The family structure you describe also had a downfall, we spent most of our time being insular and engaged in taking care of people. Elder care particularly has a heavy cost on society. We actually came up with a genius solution to it, vanaprastha where aged people took themselves out of society for pilgrimage allowing young families to focus energy on the vyavaharika(material world) and the younger generation. Are we willing to bring this back?
3. Respect for nature, people and animals also created a lack of colonialism and local insularity. We could never use our soft power to import free resources or people to fight for us beyond a 1000km range. This limited our ability to compete and protect. We could never rely on any non contiguous Kingdom even when our holiest sites were endangered, while each and every time the Muslims lost, they imported foreign armies leading to multiple slave kings and dynasties consistently across history.
4. The values you mentioned are good only for an agrarian semi feudal society not a technological one. The West will create a quasi communist society in response to the infinite services glitch AI will bring. We are stuck simultaneously in a resource curse, Dutch disease and lack of ability to break nature to serve us. A good demonstration of this is the spice industry, you can increase production, unionise, industrialise, create a monopoly over the chemical alternatives, create technical hyperspecialzation within your guild, buy out competition by economically taking over their agricultural lands and then diversify. This process is very painful for both nature and people. Instead our social model makes us prefer creating a class of rich, moral and benevolent. It's not just the rural people, even Tatas used their earnings from TCS to fund social projects instead of investing into the competition for outsourcing, AI.
@Kunwar Rupendra Sharma unfortunately I won't be able to share details and this is a borrowed account. I am a part time academic and a economic consultation practice for the tech industry.
We have inherited a society that we put our mothers and grandmothers in nursing homes
What a curse in the Western societies 🙄
Living with elderly parents have more pros than cons
I live in down under (Oceania)and found the Chinese have extended families and very prosperous
Parents contribute immensely in taking care of the third generation and so both parents can work
Childcare is extremely expensive in the west
Also having helping hands and moral support as well as the wisdom of seniors enrich families culture and community
We have core families in the west with no support and hence stress is high that leads to couple having enormous emotional problems leading to separation and divorce
Elderly people live and die alone in their homes, sometimes the bodies are found after many days after they died
Terrible customs
🙏👍👌🙏🙏👌👍🙏 Jaye HIND, please remember ENGLISH LANGUAGE HAS ONLY 26 ALPHABET CHARACTERS, so compare with any INDIAN LANGUAGE characters.
In our Kashmir there were only two Jatis, " Asalzat"( good family)& "Badzat"[badfamily](Razil). Krams from karma were the professions taken by a family became Kram in Kashmir i.e carpenter( tchan), goldsmith ( saraf), blacksmiths ( Khar), peasants ( groos), shopkeepers ( wani)etc.
11:30 onwards
800 Yrs we were Gulams of Moghals. We lack total focus of sensible thinking from that time till today.! Unfortunately having 33 karods of God & Godesses nobody helped
single one. Yet And. Bakth. hoke we are still GROPING IN THE DARKNESS. !
Because we do not accept the truth as described in our smritis.
I think you are missing the point. Every existing Smriti is built for an agrarian proto feudal society not a technological one. They don't map well to the modern society and it's needs.
Smrithi is garbage
The way she quoted about constitution..refering ammendment word with balaatkaar using such words openly for our own constitution..gale ka paththar wow..i think yes u have studied researched alot on caste but trust me u dont have that much respect for our drafters,freedom fighters and the supreme law book of our country which gives the idea and spiration of our own country people..
How can one ever thank Shri Rajivji enough? It's not possible...
Is the word Abraham means opposit to brahma . By putting A before ब्रह्मा. So community defected from Brahma practice कर्मकांड in today's world Christians and Muslims are now facing problems by destroying family culture and family restrictions of marriages are destroying economy ,hence unsustainable unlike sanatani system preserved Indian economy and maintained land fertile and diverse ecology
My only problem is why less view. Please do collaboration with other prominent UA-camr who are like you, please promote your channel and work.
Please colab with Jaipur Dialogue, P Guru, etc. Your voice is not reaching mass people.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The legendary Indian linguist Prof Kapil Kapoor and Hindu Rights champion Rajiv Malhotra Sir in one frame❤❤ Such an enlightening discussion… It’s difficult to sleep at night sometimes after hearing these legends speak their mind…
Great discussion! We should have a possibility of contribution by anyone. Do we have that possibility? I will contact you by Email!
his logic is like this new theory shouldn't be compared, tested, evaluated, researched, analysed with other theories. so that the flaws and bs. remains concealed. lets develop our own bs. and keep staying delusional. KEEP IT UP
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There is Dharma abd Adharma but where is a justice system based on Dharma. This was the case with Abraham told righteousness until wrong doing in Egypt, then sin was imputed and death.
The religion of Abraham is now based on justification by judgement in a court, although Christianity has divorced itself from Abraham, wrongly believing they are no longer judged.
I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity', which alerts everyone interested to the truth.
Wow. Raja Harshvardhan is a Jat and that to a Virk. Major component of the Sikh JAtS in Punjab and Haryana
More info please
There is novedic social theory because the society was constantly evolving out of complex netaphysical Darshanas...it still is!
Even Dr Kapil Kumar never read the book, he just parroted the usual wishful narrative without a doctrine to achieve it.... None let Sri Rajiv Malhotra speak....Sri Bharat Gupt ji along with Madhukishwar ji would have been better..... Historians or university certified indic students are not trained as Dharmic traditional students learning in their own language and a translator arranged
Caste is a method of classification to manage differences among people harmoniously that comes naturally. Classification is not discrimination.
Categorization is NOT mischief to put people at odds. Any difference can be made controversial and discriminatory. Look at American white and black society. Is the discrimination built in as accepted by occupying european whites for few centuries. Any narrative and understanding of India must take into consideration 5000+ years of continuous living civilization. Immigration enforcement is very recent with organizational and military commitment. The modern sociology experts are challenged to consider recent immigration enforcement, communication, journey transportation factors and come up with narrative of human civilization. Please read DVG on Purusha Suktha also Unequal by Nature by prof Crow. No one is equal to another. Every one is uniquely gifted. This is Nature. No amount of politicking and cleverness can change Natural Laws.
When they say equal they say equality of law and equality of opportunity.
@@alpeshmittal3779 and that is not the case today.
Reservation, minority ministry, sacher committee, special educational rights etc.
One thing is seriously missing in indian education is true history of India.
I am surprised that no genuinely made effort that history text book of India...... in school , colleges etc should be rewriten and taught
Who can do it? Well, Anand, SAID and many other historian can forced the govt to commissioned to correct etc.
Pranam guruji.
Rajeev ji please make your observations more comprehensive and for that please go to central india and observe janjatiya life.
Vedic way of life is actually an effort to create a interdependent society out of many tribes that used to live in bharat. It happened in Bharat because here was the major bulk of homo sapience population living and growing at that point of history-that is around 20-30000 yrs ago. And as the population grew a lot of clusters need to deal with each other. Vedic Rishi’s who were wandering scholars they created the relationship among all these people based on mutual respect .
Instead of starting from veda you must look at the social and demographic environment from where the vedas started.
Roots of Vedas are in so many mantra drishta Rishi’s from all over India. There are more than 150 gods in vedas . Sanskrit again is a language created out of many roots .
The sociology of vedas later on also dealt with the transitional time when a vanadharit or forest based life was getting converted in to agricultural life.
Instead of fighting as fiercely independent tribal identities ( which is happening all over the world even now) they created a social structure based on interdependence.
Those who believed in these values they linked together. And created the rashtr. Rashtra was made based on the value of interdependence.
There were were no fault lines in india as your first bookheading suggests. There were many links to hold everyone together. Elbow in the upper limb is not a fault line. It is a joint to make it a better functional unit. Westerns don’t have the eyes to see this.
Remember no where in the world the society had grown beyond tribal identity . In india it was done without harming tribal identities.
Thanks for thinking aloud
This is HUGE!
Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri - Guru of - Paramahansa Yoganandaji (esteemed author of world renowned spiritual classic Autobiography of a Yogi) - wrote - on being instructed to do so by Mahavatara Babaji (the ever living avatar and secret spiritual guide of the world through millennia) - a very concise precise crystal clear definition of Sanatana Dharma with parallel statements from Western Scriptures - Which We May Study and Realize is an Eternal Perfectly Illustrated Specification of Vedic Truth, Sociology, History, Projection, and Structure - Completely Scientifically Accurate and Absolutely Unquestionably Clear!! Offered humbly in response to your request for clarity!!
No point in accepting Vedic principles into our constitution just because it is Indian or because it is different! There must be definite positive values for all the people of India when we accept the Vedic principles in governance. More importantly, it should not be discriminatory.
Bharat is big enough to have its own sociology
It is time they start now
A radical change is not possible in a globalised world
It is possible to run the Bharat sociology parallel to the present system and gradually replace the latter with time
It is not too late yet considering the history of 🇮🇳
It's not about size it's about how much you contributed intellectually to benefit humanity which decides if those thoughts are worth included in studies or not
It's a difficult proposition To live in two world and become greedy to make best of both the worlds !
Even christians developed socioilogy much late so why we must seek everything from vedic era ? Lets develop it now
Our Varna Jati ashrama by birth is our social theory and practice that has been existence for eons. If we deny varna jati by birth, we are denying karma.
We just need people chanting om namashivaya , har har Mahadev jai sree ram and aum shanti ( i am a peaceful soul) shiva is super peaceful soul. So what did shanker do he was a violent man meditate on peaceful shiva( he never took body) only rented body to teach bagawath geetha
Geetha is only for brahimins ( children of shiva) normal people do not understand it
they should chant aum shanti
patit pavan sita ram
jai sree ram etc
Here's some food for thought esp. the anti idolaters - the concept of omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient applies to a stone or rock perfectly - & ad per dharmic upanishads & b.gita it meets all requirements. It remains unmoved by tears of sorrow or joy , it is found all over the cosmos, & is present - under our feet ! So to think of some removed Brahman or Yahweh, elohim etc is not really seeing that it is here - all around us so to seperate this rock from what you perceive is in itself a blasphemy of sentience.
Rajeev Molhotra ji we Bharatiyas can't separate religion , social economic and political theory separately , as the knowledge that is imparted is by great marsharshis who were the combination of spiritual and subject matter expert either on science or social sciences.
Why do you say 19 th centurary that Vedic idea destroied ? Isalamic invedors were the 1st desytroysr of Vedic ideology.
Dharma is not static as per basic concept. But unfortunately we have not followed it in spirit and sanatana Dharma is stuck in treta yug.
Malhotraji ... i dont think an intellectual kshatriya..like you is unaware of the fact that ..the constitution we adopted is embedded with western sociology ..and is systematically destroying our age old social structures. Unless that is re written ..hope of any iota of change in our society is nothing less than day dreaming sir..with all due respect.
Humare durbhagya ki ab Vatanasi is being destroyed by An Auliya!!!!
The RW lit fest should be conduct in different cities like lw lit fest
Yea maxmular never came to india and became scholar of our vedic wisdom and also he should be regarded as ved vyas.
Opening minds of those 😮who have never opened up
Apki Jo discussion hai yeh aap logo ko kyo karna hai muje samaj nhi ayi ....it's already there in our history Mahabharata pado , manusmiriti pado Baki hamare aj ki yug mein b Shankaracharya ji hai ....unse pooch lo ...jab gore or Baki sbi panth sab Chala sakte hai to humare ABI b itna sanghar nhi hua hai Sanskriti Ka k humse yeh desh na chalya ja ske ...first preference Hindu raster bKi sab hota jyega ....use mein Beth Kar aise he Soch rakhoge or kush nhi ...already start ho gya hai Hindu rastra will go on ...yeh sab bagwan kriypya ho rhi hai Apne aap chale ga or better then today worlds .....please help kre Apne viewers dwara jaldi se jaldi Karne ki ...yeh Acha hai k sab log aj kal nhi jante sashtro k.bare mein ...yeh Jo gyan vigyan lupt hai yeh sab AA jyega Apne aap parstiti k hisab se ....jai Shri ram
Rashtra is State, a political unit. Nation is close to Jati, a community (not caste).
The govt is certainly aware of these views but do they have the b@lls to acknowledge them and provide a reply or does it take us for granted? The result will be very tragic if they don't and it will be entirely their fault.
God bless you all who are capable to take up this herculean task. Wish you all success. I hope I'm alive to see this.