What I find odd is that they don't seem to have had any system of writing. For a major trading nation, which had dealings with Greece, Carthage and Phoenicia, would they not have had to respond to orders from literate customers, send invoices, etc? And what about their own store-keeping?
What the woman says exactly is that "in that temple they have not found traces of writing yet." The Tartessos had their own writing and in the Iberian peninsula there were some variants. The ancient Iberian languages has not been translated.
They couldn't have had dealings with the Greeks, there was no Greece when Carthage was still around... You can check any maps, the Greeks don't appear until very recently... What you will see in all ancient maps is Macedonia, I think that it's a tough call to decide which nation of people is older! The Macedonians or the Egyptians? Every other country except for Palestine is new across Europe! So every single mention in this video that says greek is actually not greek but Macedonian instead... You should have a look at old maps of Europe.. see which countries that you recognise and still exist today... People have a tendency to believe that Europe is the way today that it has always been, but you'd be sadly mistaken...
Instead of the Greeks, they should have talked about Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians etc. The Spartans had founded extensive colonies in Southern Italy starting in the 700s BC. Massilia (modern-day Marseilles) was founded by Phocaean Greeks from Ionia about 600 BC. So although there was no Greece, Greeks from various city states were very much around.
@@D19DMO128D and with all that you said, being ancient and what not... Somehow I think that when you said ancient, that you meant like the 1800's to now! Because I have been studying every ancient map that I have got my hands on that's older than the 1800's and there's no Greece! Yep! There's nothing! You would like to think that this powerful nation of people are so great that Greece would be smack bang right there in the middle of everything but when It comes to Greece, there's cricket's chirping! It's nowhere! But we know that there were some Greeks down in the corner of the land that the Macedonians abandoned when the volcano on Santorini island erupted... We know that King Philip II went and conquered these people who the Macedonians called Grejci pronounced Greitsi meaning those who came! And it should be no surprise that the Macedonians would call them that because they were different! By a lot! These people who came, these Greeks had dark skin and larger noses.. so much so that when the Romans invaded Macedonia and took over these Greeks, the Greeks that were taken back to Rome and sold off into slavery (they did it to everyone else too, don't get too cut up about it) it's only the Greeks who gained the title Greko Romans after they had completed their service as a slave! It was the Roman process of gaining new citizens... There wasn't any other race of people who were given a special title... And don't tell me that the Romans and Greeks were friends LoL... The Romans invaded because they needed wealth and resources... Be it slavery or gold or like the case in Macedonia which is well documented by a general in the Roman army of how wealthy macedonia was! They took down every palace and transported it back to Rome.. everything including the columns... So my dearest friend, if you don't have dark skin, you aren't really proper greek.... You are an import! Just like the greko Romans just like the foot soldiers in Alexander's army, there was never a greek in any official capacity in Macedonia! You weren't Macedonian, you were way too different than anyone else from Europe... You really need to look past all the greek government propaganda... It's not real! The rest of the world knows different... You have an alphabet that was borrowed from an older macedonian alphabet and yet there's nothing older or newer... While the Macedonian alphabet has a history of evolution just like an ancient nation of people should have! The macedonians have a language that has so many different dialects established from it... Who else speaks greek? No one! And why would they? The greek language was adapted to the macedonian koine alphabet by the British and French linguistic experts who somehow believed that this minority of people are the ones who built all those ancient ruins long ago... But what they failed to realise is that if those ancient ruins found in Greece today were in fact built by the Greeks that were supposed to be there since ancient times and somehow other nations didn't know that they were there to include them in map's and let's not forget the elephant in the room, if those ancient ruins were in fact built by the Greeks and therefore served an important function in society, why didn't they just rebuild them? You know what the answer is, they served no purpose whatsoever to the Greeks! They were already in ruins when they arrived, they were still in ruins when King Philip II went to conquer these new comers and they were still in ruins when the Romans turned up! That's why the Romans left them behind, they got more than enough from macedonia! It's only after the 1800's that the greek government realised that these ruins are bringing in tourism dollars... And instead of restoring them to their rightful purpose, to serve a nation of people, it's a theme park trying to earn some extra money to pay for the German economic loan... So much for this imaginary great nation of people you seem to think that they are... If you invent democracy, you should be a master of the democratic system and it's economic strength and development... There's no truth in ancient Greek history, there really never was a mighty ancient Greece... All The glory goes to the Macedonians, the Romans, The Ottoman Empire, the British Empire... Greece was never really apart of all this greatness... The greek government did such a great job on you with its propaganda campaign that you believe it the most LoL. It's a sad story and then there's the pain of the truth when it finally sets in that you were lied to just so the greek government could grab some extra land like it was still living in the early 3rd century... Committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in what is today known as northern Greece... The same part and people that represented south Macedonia.... You! The gorilla... You just keep believing wherever you want... It's all coming out whether you like it or not.
Feel relief they didn't ad some priests in black robes walking along those "savage natives" Celts in Britannia (or Hispania) The ideas they have about Celtic culture.. have been badly influenced by what they had seen in Ulster _and much maligned identification of "Celts" (modern) with their modern Catholic faith
Quite a bit understood about Sumeria, the Akkadian civilization, Canaan, Assyria, and even the mysterious Indus Valley civilization (perhaps the first city builders).
Before The Ancient Egyptian Civilization as most understand it, with the union of both kingdoms. The cultures blooming in the region were small towns-states with their own main chieftains, not exactly a senate or seniors council. They were mostly agricultural, but the elite was into herding livestock and hunting, lions
@@pendragonU Don't know much about the region but the folks who built Eridu and the public baths along the Indus river were long gone by the time ancient Egypt began looking enviously south for gold and pretty sure they weren't hunting lions.
3:55 Assyria was conquered by the Medes more than 2600 years ago while the site was abandoned 2500 years ago. So if anything caused the decline in the trade it may have been the rise of the Persian empire which happened around 2500 years ago. Maybe the new empire didn't trade with them or for any other reason they lost their customers in lands the Persians had conquered.
This has literally nothing to do with the Assyrians or Medes. It literally explains the Phoenicians and Greeks would've been invading during the Bronze Age. Which makes sense, what with the Phoenician colonies developing on the Iberian peninsula on Spain, as well as North Africa.
There were no Phoenicians prior to the Bronze Age collapse, circa 1067 bce. This site dates to about the same time as the Carthaginian and early Roman Republic. There was no real pressure to expand because of outside causes prior to about 600 bce, which just happens to be about the date this site was abandoned. The question would be whether this was part of the Phoenician expansion that created Carthage as well or not. Similarity in artifacts would probably give that away if you had the places where the pottery was made in addition to the shattered pottery at the site.
Its un undisputable fact that the in lunar calendar of the Sais priest that talked to Solon the year was abt one month , that makes the time period of Atlantis 1328BC . Νήσος Island in Greek = Island , peninsula , cost and land area in contact with springs lake or river.
Maybe they had so many connections with other Mediterranean civilizations that they became worried about an influx of outsiders who were degrading the purity of their culture. So they had a referendum and decided to separate themselves from these outside influences: Tartexit. This led to a precipitous decline and extinction. Just an idea.
I would gladly pay a television tax for the wonderful programs the BBC puts on that we get to see on the other side of the pond. And the added bonus was listening to the archaeologists beautiful Madrid Spanish
Muy interesante! La verdad es que sabemos poco y falta mucho por descubrir y entender. Nuestra historia como seres humanos, tanto en la evolucion de nuestra especie como nuestra historia es, creo yo, muchísimo mas compleja e interesante que aquello que creemos conocer. El descubrir algo nuevo, un nuevo capitulo, es algo que da una alegría muy profunda. Gracias! 🙂
@@PAAP0CHKA No, they're not that different from each other. They're closer to each other, ethnically and culturally, than a non-European group would be to them. A non-European group compared to these groups would be the actual different one.
@@PAAP0CHKA The truth is the truth whether you like it or not. Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans are racially and culturally much more similar to each other than a European and an East Asian/South East Asian. A European and a East/South East Asian are different people. Now that's different. Northern and Southern Europeans share similar ancestors/ancestries and European civilization came from southern Europe and spread up North. Learn the definition of different and read a history book.
@@PAAP0CHKA Wrong again. Northern and Southern Europeans both descend from indo-Europeans whereas as the East Asians do not. Northern and Southern Europeans possess the genes for blue eyes, green eyes, blonde hair, etc., whereas the East Asians don't. Northern and Southern Europeans are still racially closer than Europeans and Asians are. The groups you mentioned-Russians, Ukrainians, Bulgarians-the majority (who are white) don't have any Asian admixture/DNA they are predominately white Caucasians. Just look at them. Contorting facts and spreading misinformation will get you nowhere.
@@embreis2257 Sorry, I think of Carthaginians as separate from Phoenicians (though the city was certainly founded by them, the Empire was a much later force in the Mediterranean), and declining Carthage as an adversary to mid-Republican Rome. But if the Tartessos were indigenous when the Phoenicians started trading with them, I don't see how they would be ethnically related at all. Either way I don't think it's the most likely explanation. Most ancient abandonments occur after a period of climactic stress, which is a much more likely explanation here as well.
One common way civilizations fall is when plunder outpaces production. Officials get greedier and more corrupt, while an increasing number of productive people throw up their hands and seek their fortunes elsewhere, if they can. No society can sustain itself without enough productive output, especially in the area of food.
Sometimes I think about some cultures believing that people went back to the other planets they were originally from. What I find weird here is the animals and big party they talk about.....
I had to mute the video and slow down the pace to absorb the content. Arguing and swearing in catalan-pace is fine, but presenting findings in this way didn't work for me.
Now this is the sort of thing we, as a society, should be funding. Knowing where we were gives us a better idea of where we are going. My question would be how was Tartessos affected by the growth of the Carthaginians and the Roman Republic in addition to the Celtic tribes. 2500 years ago is in just the right period for all three to be potential competition for living space. It would be just about the same time as Rome stopped having kings. The burial of ceremonial sites is something that was practiced in places like Gobekli Tepe thousands of years before, so that isn’t as interesting, but it appears to have a rather large sacrificial element on top of it. The feasting that goes along with the burying of sites and animal sacrifices could be an echo of an earlier animistic religious rite in the later civilization. I would be curious to see if there are signs of butchery on the sacrificed animals or if they were buried whole. That could be a pre-polytheistic site if there are. That site could be the key to understanding the leap from animism to polytheism or even monotheism. If the sacrificed animals were used as food at the ceremonial burial of the site, it fits more with the animistic or early polytheistic religions, because it is a meal shared with the spirits and the gods, rather than a gift given to just the gods, which we see in later polytheism and monotheism. I studied theology, so this archaeology can answer some nagging questions that can’t be answered otherwise. This needs a lot more study devoted to it.
I have lived in Andalucia for only 13 years but came across Tartessos in articles in El País Saturday editions almost straight away. This excavation is ongoing but there are others. What is fascinating is that they seem to have destroyed then burned their towns and then disappeared. No one can figure why. Spain also had a thriving neolithic society. Near Huelva recently a huge megalithic structure has recently been found with more than 500 standing stones.
I can't answer definitively about Carthage, but around 500 BCE Rome would have been a glimmer in the eye of the central Mediterranean, and couldn't even confidently assert power over its Central Italic neighbors much less Iberia.
@@almitrahopkins1873 Some of the 6th C. BCE kings were Etruscan in origin however the founding of the Roman Republic is traditionally dated to 509 BCE. But either way, I don't really see what the nascent Roman Republic has to do with Iberia in this time period. I could more plausibly see some sort of cultural synthesis with contemporary Phoenician/later Carthaginian colonizers sort of like the Magyar-Avar Continuity Theory -- but I'm loathe to speculate thereon as there seems a dearth of evidence and the Ancient Mediterranean before the Hellenistic Period isn't really my strong suit.
They had writing, complex society system, trading, sculpture, stairs made with some type of concrete, temples... Etc. That's what defines an advanced civilization in Europe in that time period ...
There is a theory the Picts came through the same route from Scythia. Are these people the Cornish/Welsh, or Irish. Or did the Hittites kill these people before going to Cornwall/Wales, or Ireland? Looks like Western Europe got crowded at times.
This city name Tartessos is Luwian. The place names ends with -thos and -ssoss are Luwian. Luwians were seafaring people and lived in Agean and Anatolian Shores starting from BC 2300. The name sounds similar to Anatolian city Tarsos which was one of the important cities of Kizzuwatna Kingdom. Maybe they migrated to west Mediterranean after Late Bronze Age Collapse (Around BC 1200).
I've never liked the phrasing vanished civilization. Civilizations don't vanish . They die or move on or advance to the point they leave the old civilization behind . They don't just vanish into thin air .... I know it's just a phrasing thing but it's always bothered me 🤣
Very likely that Tartessos was a gateway to all the tin ores from Britain (e.g. Cornwall). Tartessos rose during the Atlantic Bronze Age. Some evidence suggest Phoenicians were sailing up the French coast, up to Britain.
I'm glad the random guy in the youtube comments was here to correct the record, rather than the experts who make this their life's work...who just said they don't know.
@@GestaltO BTW, I'm using my real name here. So, before posting your anonymous superiority comment, you could have googled up my credentials in history, linguistics, genetics and archeology - and Tartessos.
@@GestaltO So, you've read and heard all the experts. Did you read Barry Cunliffe's books? Or Gregory Douglas Wear? Tartessos is even cited in the bible as a metal commodity hub.
@@alainpannetier2543 Lmao, sure you are buddy. Is someone getting a little salty because a stranger on the internet didn't cream over their comment and take it as gospel. I'll listen to the people I can actually verify...like the people in the news story, not some random dickhead who can't take a bit of sarcasm...or understand the difference between sarcasm and "superiority" as you put it. Good job on the linguistics. Abject moron.
The evidence of massive ritual sacrifices at their last banquet suggests they committed mass suicide, either over fears of encroaching enemy or an act of repentance.
or maybe a plague.. which has existed in the region far longer than written in history we always taken for granted the marvel of modern healthcare system, in the past if one's ever broke their leg open they might die of sepsis untreated wound gets you killed, infection is fatal, etc. It doesn't take much to destroy a thriving trading posts through carrier of contagious disease
@nietzchan all of those are possible. However, plagues would have affected other nearby regions or trading countries as well, which doesn't seem to be the case here
@scottabc72 not necessarily, human bones usually collapse into dust after a few centuries if not perseved well. The only thing that could survive after a long time is the teeth. And there could be an explanation why they didn't find any.
They put the livestock and other animals in there for protection from whatever was coming. It, unfortunately for them, failed, as whatever was coming was devastating. Livestock that could keep families fed for seasons are too much of a resource to be “sacrificed”. These people were not going to put religion in front of food. If they did, they had it much better off than we could imagine. In what early, hunter/ gatherer, nomadic, or even settlement style living, could you expect waste of precious resources? None. They didn’t come from nothing learning how to avoid waste, accumulate some knowledge and ownership, just to sacrifice it and waste it. That makes less than zero sense.
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You don't throw a big banquet and then burn & bury your settlement before abandoning it forever in the middle of being invaded. That dog just won't hunt. A plague of misfortunes now, that might inspire a culture to appease their gods by this sort of act. An actual plague, the sudden loss of a divine leader [high priest or godking figurehead] and a military defeat in rapid succession: that's the sort of inspiration for this sort of behaviour. People are people: there is nothing new under the sun, just as King Solomon said long before the Tartessians "vanished." [our perspective; at the time, everyone around was probably well aware of events and knew the whys & wherefors...]
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According to credible African American Scholars the ancient Greeks were Sub Saharan African and the modern Greeks were primitive German tribes that appropriated ancient Greek culture claimed it as their own. Hence why Cleopatra is Sub Saharan portrayed in the factual Netflix documentary. Interesting theory should be taught in schools as part of diversity learning program. Sadly its not in this undemocratic education system.
Mmm. Mystery, mystery, mystery. So, what exactly was the point of this flic? That there are excavations and we don't know anything? Well, i knew about the Tartessians. They had a long culture of metal extraction of copper and silver in that area. They ware also involved with the Celtic trading route up to cornwall to bring the much value tin into the Mediterranean basin to produce Bronce needed during the Bronce Age. I guess the fall of Carthage and the subsequent reduction of Metal trading with the Eastern Med must haveveen hard, but the silver and copper mied in the area ware also impottant commodities in the celtic trade routes and for the Romans. What you describe here sonds more like a doomsday cult where a leader spent all his wealth on a blazibg feast and then died. That doesn't really make sense. I would much more point towards an environmental shift or a plague. During the times of the black death some people had doomsday parties to go out in a blaze.
These were pre adamite humanoids. But not homosapeans. They had advanced technology. Look at all their structures. We can't create them yet. We may someday. Pyramids all around the world probably their power source.
PSYOPS: THE WRONG APPROACH: Imagine what would have become of us, if the Hunters didn’t decide to cooperate and use Spears to hunt Mammoths. To climb in trees with a Torch to make it impossible to be hunted by Sabertooth tigers. Psyops is just a spear, or a torch. Either they hunt us, or we hunt them.
Were they refugees or colonists? Also Climate Change (Cooling) forced the Great Cimbrian Teutonic Migration into Southern Europe that ended in a deadly Clash with Rome.
Agree! Unfortunately only the stupid and irresponsible reproduce in vast numbers. The reason why humanity is becoming more idiotic by the second- bad genes and TikTok.
Hinduism was made up in the 19th century. You guys even copied Islam to make up the current state "religion". Good examples - Turban, Dupatta and blouse.
woah. I hope they continue. And hope these findings can be put together and have another clearer picture of the lost history.
These guys have the best job in the world.
What I find odd is that they don't seem to have had any system of writing. For a major trading nation, which had dealings with Greece, Carthage and Phoenicia, would they not have had to respond to orders from literate customers, send invoices, etc? And what about their own store-keeping?
What the woman says exactly is that "in that temple they have not found traces of writing yet."
The Tartessos had their own writing and in the Iberian peninsula there were some variants.
The ancient Iberian languages has not been translated.
They couldn't have had dealings with the Greeks, there was no Greece when Carthage was still around...
You can check any maps, the Greeks don't appear until very recently... What you will see in all ancient maps is Macedonia, I think that it's a tough call to decide which nation of people is older! The Macedonians or the Egyptians? Every other country except for Palestine is new across Europe!
So every single mention in this video that says greek is actually not greek but Macedonian instead...
You should have a look at old maps of Europe.. see which countries that you recognise and still exist today...
People have a tendency to believe that Europe is the way today that it has always been, but you'd be sadly mistaken...
Instead of the Greeks, they should have talked about Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians etc. The Spartans had founded extensive colonies in Southern Italy starting in the 700s BC. Massilia (modern-day Marseilles) was founded by Phocaean Greeks from Ionia about 600 BC. So although there was no Greece, Greeks from various city states were very much around.
@@D19DMO128D and with all that you said, being ancient and what not... Somehow I think that when you said ancient, that you meant like the 1800's to now! Because I have been studying every ancient map that I have got my hands on that's older than the 1800's and there's no Greece!
Yep! There's nothing! You would like to think that this powerful nation of people are so great that Greece would be smack bang right there in the middle of everything but when It comes to Greece, there's cricket's chirping! It's nowhere!
But we know that there were some Greeks down in the corner of the land that the Macedonians abandoned when the volcano on Santorini island erupted... We know that King Philip II went and conquered these people who the Macedonians called Grejci pronounced Greitsi meaning those who came! And it should be no surprise that the Macedonians would call them that because they were different! By a lot! These people who came, these Greeks had dark skin and larger noses.. so much so that when the Romans invaded Macedonia and took over these Greeks, the Greeks that were taken back to Rome and sold off into slavery (they did it to everyone else too, don't get too cut up about it) it's only the Greeks who gained the title Greko Romans after they had completed their service as a slave! It was the Roman process of gaining new citizens...
There wasn't any other race of people who were given a special title... And don't tell me that the Romans and Greeks were friends LoL... The Romans invaded because they needed wealth and resources... Be it slavery or gold or like the case in Macedonia which is well documented by a general in the Roman army of how wealthy macedonia was! They took down every palace and transported it back to Rome.. everything including the columns...
So my dearest friend, if you don't have dark skin, you aren't really proper greek.... You are an import! Just like the greko Romans just like the foot soldiers in Alexander's army, there was never a greek in any official capacity in Macedonia! You weren't Macedonian, you were way too different than anyone else from Europe...
You really need to look past all the greek government propaganda... It's not real! The rest of the world knows different...
You have an alphabet that was borrowed from an older macedonian alphabet and yet there's nothing older or newer... While the Macedonian alphabet has a history of evolution just like an ancient nation of people should have! The macedonians have a language that has so many different dialects established from it... Who else speaks greek? No one! And why would they? The greek language was adapted to the macedonian koine alphabet by the British and French linguistic experts who somehow believed that this minority of people are the ones who built all those ancient ruins long ago... But what they failed to realise is that if those ancient ruins found in Greece today were in fact built by the Greeks that were supposed to be there since ancient times and somehow other nations didn't know that they were there to include them in map's and let's not forget the elephant in the room, if those ancient ruins were in fact built by the Greeks and therefore served an important function in society, why didn't they just rebuild them?
You know what the answer is, they served no purpose whatsoever to the Greeks! They were already in ruins when they arrived, they were still in ruins when King Philip II went to conquer these new comers and they were still in ruins when the Romans turned up! That's why the Romans left them behind, they got more than enough from macedonia!
It's only after the 1800's that the greek government realised that these ruins are bringing in tourism dollars... And instead of restoring them to their rightful purpose, to serve a nation of people, it's a theme park trying to earn some extra money to pay for the German economic loan... So much for this imaginary great nation of people you seem to think that they are... If you invent democracy, you should be a master of the democratic system and it's economic strength and development...
There's no truth in ancient Greek history, there really never was a mighty ancient Greece... All The glory goes to the Macedonians, the Romans, The Ottoman Empire, the British Empire... Greece was never really apart of all this greatness... The greek government did such a great job on you with its propaganda campaign that you believe it the most LoL. It's a sad story and then there's the pain of the truth when it finally sets in that you were lied to just so the greek government could grab some extra land like it was still living in the early 3rd century... Committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in what is today known as northern Greece... The same part and people that represented south Macedonia....
You! The gorilla... You just keep believing wherever you want... It's all coming out whether you like it or not.
There is a Tartessian language, which is extinct now but archaeologists have found a stone on which some script was carved.
astounding
I don't think the Celtic tribes they referred to would have been carrying Celtic crosses 500 years BC.
Definitely a BBC edit rather than as presented by the archaeologists.
Mayby they felt it in their bones ;)
Yeah, BBC editors taking liberties there, not understanding what a Celt is.
Good point 😁
Feel relief they didn't ad some priests in black robes walking along those "savage natives" Celts in Britannia (or Hispania) The ideas they have about Celtic culture.. have been badly influenced by what they had seen in Ulster _and much maligned identification of "Celts" (modern) with their modern Catholic faith
So awesome, I wish there was more information on whatever civilization was lost before the Egyptians.
Atlantis...
Quite a bit understood about Sumeria, the Akkadian civilization, Canaan, Assyria, and even the mysterious Indus Valley civilization (perhaps the first city builders).
Before The Ancient Egyptian Civilization as most understand it, with the union of both kingdoms. The cultures blooming in the region were small towns-states with their own main chieftains, not exactly a senate or seniors council. They were mostly agricultural, but the elite was into herding livestock and hunting, lions
@@pendragonU Don't know much about the region but the folks who built Eridu and the public baths along the Indus river were long gone by the time ancient Egypt began looking enviously south for gold and pretty sure they weren't hunting lions.
2500 BCE is not before the Egyptian civilization.
The Egyptian civilization go back as far 4000 BCE.
3:55 Assyria was conquered by the Medes more than 2600 years ago while the site was abandoned 2500 years ago. So if anything caused the decline in the trade it may have been the rise of the Persian empire which happened around 2500 years ago. Maybe the new empire didn't trade with them or for any other reason they lost their customers in lands the Persians had conquered.
This has literally nothing to do with the Assyrians or Medes. It literally explains the Phoenicians and Greeks would've been invading during the Bronze Age.
Which makes sense, what with the Phoenician colonies developing on the Iberian peninsula on Spain, as well as North Africa.
UA-cam experts... where would the world be without you guys.
@@Patrick-y4d1z the archaeologist mentioned the Assyrians as causing the Phoenicians and Greeks to go West
There were no Phoenicians prior to the Bronze Age collapse, circa 1067 bce. This site dates to about the same time as the Carthaginian and early Roman Republic. There was no real pressure to expand because of outside causes prior to about 600 bce, which just happens to be about the date this site was abandoned.
The question would be whether this was part of the Phoenician expansion that created Carthage as well or not. Similarity in artifacts would probably give that away if you had the places where the pottery was made in addition to the shattered pottery at the site.
@@almitrahopkins1873
Phoenecians date back to about 3000BC
So much to know about who we’ve been as people.
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The amount of know it all experts of ancient times in these comments is astonishing.
you would think they were there!
Its un undisputable fact that the in lunar calendar of the Sais priest that talked to Solon the year was abt one month , that makes the time period of Atlantis 1328BC . Νήσος Island in Greek = Island , peninsula , cost and land area in contact with springs lake or river.
So much history still have to be uncovered
During pandemic they didn't pay rent and their landlord got them evicted.
I hope I can see these ancient buildings with my own eyes
Maybe the silver and other metal mines where exhausted and they moved somewhere else where they had found new ones?
Could very well be, could also just be pollution or sickness.
Maybe they had so many connections with other Mediterranean civilizations that they became worried about an influx of outsiders who were degrading the purity of their culture. So they had a referendum and decided to separate themselves from these outside influences: Tartexit. This led to a precipitous decline and extinction. Just an idea.
Very similar to why and how Indus Valley Civilization disappeared mysteriously 2000 bc
I would gladly pay a television tax for the wonderful programs the BBC puts on that we get to see on the other side of the pond. And the added bonus was listening to the archaeologists beautiful Madrid Spanish
The BBC is Britains fake news/propaganda channel, it's life is coming to an end.
Muy interesante, thanks BBC for publishing this!
The title is misleading. It sounded like they had answers.
This is archaeology...not some internet education blog for 5 year olds.
I was like “oh, I wasn’t aware that my English had gotten THAT good” lol 😂😂😂
They left with the aliens.
Muy interesante! La verdad es que sabemos poco y falta mucho por descubrir y entender. Nuestra historia como seres humanos, tanto en la evolucion de nuestra especie como nuestra historia es, creo yo, muchísimo mas compleja e interesante que aquello que creemos conocer. El descubrir algo nuevo, un nuevo capitulo, es algo que da una alegría muy profunda. Gracias! 🙂
Its a shame we are at that point in time again now .
Was nice knowing you all .
Many ancient civilisations have ended because of disease or climate change both of which are still with us.
@@sebastianguerre6868 and now a modern global one . lol
Agree! Now I know how the Romans felt with the barbarians at the gates. These days our corrupt governments are ushering them in....
@@sebastianguerre6868 Self anihilation.
Tartessos in Gaderiki (Cadiz ) , Lissos , Knossos , Pikilassos , Hersonessos, kietera in Crete
Advanced compared to north London!
racist!
@@PAAP0CHKA No, they're not that different from each other. They're closer to each other, ethnically and culturally, than a non-European group would be to them. A non-European group compared to these groups would be the actual different one.
@@PAAP0CHKA The truth is the truth whether you like it or not. Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans are racially and culturally much more similar to each other than a European and an East Asian/South East Asian. A European and a East/South East Asian are different people. Now that's different. Northern and Southern Europeans share similar ancestors/ancestries and European civilization came from southern Europe and spread up North. Learn the definition of different and read a history book.
@@PAAP0CHKA Wrong again. Northern and Southern Europeans both descend from indo-Europeans whereas as the East Asians do not. Northern and Southern Europeans possess the genes for blue eyes, green eyes, blonde hair, etc., whereas the East Asians don't. Northern and Southern Europeans are still racially closer than Europeans and Asians are. The groups you mentioned-Russians, Ukrainians, Bulgarians-the majority (who are white) don't have any Asian admixture/DNA they are predominately white Caucasians. Just look at them. Contorting facts and spreading misinformation will get you nowhere.
interesting.
Nice. But hard to follow when you have to read subtitles
??? Hard?
Try English sub titles!
or maybe the Carthaginians simply absorbed them into their empire. they were ethnically very similar after all and both were trading societies
Carthaginians came way later.
Good thought. Especially if they the thought Rome was a growing threat.
@@JeffreyGoddin later? Carthage was founded by Phoenicians around 814 B.C:; well before the Tartessos disappeared 2,500yrs ago
@@embreis2257 Sorry, I think of Carthaginians as separate from Phoenicians (though the city was certainly founded by them, the Empire was a much later force in the Mediterranean), and declining Carthage as an adversary to mid-Republican Rome. But if the Tartessos were indigenous when the Phoenicians started trading with them, I don't see how they would be ethnically related at all. Either way I don't think it's the most likely explanation. Most ancient abandonments occur after a period of climactic stress, which is a much more likely explanation here as well.
@@maxdaly8185 Yikes Rome wasn't even a tiny Kingdom when the Tartessos disappeared... and not a threat to Carthage for another 500+ years.
Cool.
One common way civilizations fall is when plunder outpaces production. Officials get greedier and more corrupt, while an increasing number of productive people throw up their hands and seek their fortunes elsewhere, if they can. No society can sustain itself without enough productive output, especially in the area of food.
Sometimes I think about some cultures believing that people went back to the other planets they were originally from. What I find weird here is the animals and big party they talk about.....
I had to mute the video and slow down the pace to absorb the content. Arguing and swearing in catalan-pace is fine, but presenting findings in this way didn't work for me.
Now this is the sort of thing we, as a society, should be funding. Knowing where we were gives us a better idea of where we are going.
My question would be how was Tartessos affected by the growth of the Carthaginians and the Roman Republic in addition to the Celtic tribes. 2500 years ago is in just the right period for all three to be potential competition for living space. It would be just about the same time as Rome stopped having kings.
The burial of ceremonial sites is something that was practiced in places like Gobekli Tepe thousands of years before, so that isn’t as interesting, but it appears to have a rather large sacrificial element on top of it. The feasting that goes along with the burying of sites and animal sacrifices could be an echo of an earlier animistic religious rite in the later civilization. I would be curious to see if there are signs of butchery on the sacrificed animals or if they were buried whole. That could be a pre-polytheistic site if there are.
That site could be the key to understanding the leap from animism to polytheism or even monotheism. If the sacrificed animals were used as food at the ceremonial burial of the site, it fits more with the animistic or early polytheistic religions, because it is a meal shared with the spirits and the gods, rather than a gift given to just the gods, which we see in later polytheism and monotheism.
I studied theology, so this archaeology can answer some nagging questions that can’t be answered otherwise. This needs a lot more study devoted to it.
I have lived in Andalucia for only 13 years but came across Tartessos in articles in El País Saturday editions almost straight away. This excavation is ongoing but there are others. What is fascinating is that they seem to have destroyed then burned their towns and then disappeared. No one can figure why.
Spain also had a thriving neolithic society. Near Huelva recently a huge megalithic structure has recently been found with more than 500 standing stones.
You say that we as a society should be funding this research. We are. Who do you think is funding these archaeologists?
I can't answer definitively about Carthage, but around 500 BCE Rome would have been a glimmer in the eye of the central Mediterranean, and couldn't even confidently assert power over its Central Italic neighbors much less Iberia.
@@Esquarious Rome would still have Etruscan kings around that time.
@@almitrahopkins1873 Some of the 6th C. BCE kings were Etruscan in origin however the founding of the Roman Republic is traditionally dated to 509 BCE. But either way, I don't really see what the nascent Roman Republic has to do with Iberia in this time period. I could more plausibly see some sort of cultural synthesis with contemporary Phoenician/later Carthaginian colonizers sort of like the Magyar-Avar Continuity Theory -- but I'm loathe to speculate thereon as there seems a dearth of evidence and the Ancient Mediterranean before the Hellenistic Period isn't really my strong suit.
Metal was integral to technology.
Interesting, to be certain... how come the presenters seem to be speaking at a super-accelerated rate, as if the video was speed up?
That is how Spanish is spoken ton Spain.....leave your village. Travel. Meet people who aren't related to you.
So the gray aliens made it to Andalucia. Interesting
Advanced civilisation? How were they advanced though
Their white skin....
@@klappapa what do you mean lol
theyr haddth treedimensyonal circles. and fire. that is why how much advancet.
They had a stone staircase. Most tribes at that time used wooden ladders.
They had writing, complex society system, trading, sculpture, stairs made with some type of concrete, temples... Etc. That's what defines an advanced civilization in Europe in that time period ...
This place was in the anime Nadia : Secret of blue water
There is a theory the Picts came through the same route from Scythia. Are these people the Cornish/Welsh, or Irish. Or did the Hittites kill these people before going to Cornwall/Wales, or Ireland? Looks like Western Europe got crowded at times.
They might have an Armenian gene - metallurgy and architecture are their things. And they are ancient.
So, they decided to throw one last party before going away?
History repeat itself
This city name Tartessos is Luwian. The place names ends with -thos and -ssoss are Luwian. Luwians were seafaring people and lived in Agean and Anatolian Shores starting from BC 2300. The name sounds similar to Anatolian city Tarsos which was one of the important cities of Kizzuwatna Kingdom. Maybe they migrated to west Mediterranean after Late Bronze Age Collapse (Around BC 1200).
I know exactly where the main city is. I also told Mr Celestino. Not my fault if they do nothing about it.
The only reason I am still alive and able to play this game was for my friend and I was just wondering what you were thinking
I've never liked the phrasing vanished civilization. Civilizations don't vanish . They die or move on or advance to the point they leave the old civilization behind . They don't just vanish into thin air .... I know it's just a phrasing thing but it's always bothered me 🤣
Very likely that Tartessos was a gateway to all the tin ores from Britain (e.g. Cornwall). Tartessos rose during the Atlantic Bronze Age.
Some evidence suggest Phoenicians were sailing up the French coast, up to Britain.
I'm glad the random guy in the youtube comments was here to correct the record, rather than the experts who make this their life's work...who just said they don't know.
@@GestaltO BTW, I'm using my real name here. So, before posting your anonymous superiority comment, you could have googled up my credentials in history, linguistics, genetics and archeology - and Tartessos.
@@GestaltO So, you've read and heard all the experts. Did you read Barry Cunliffe's books? Or Gregory Douglas Wear? Tartessos is even cited in the bible as a metal commodity hub.
@@alainpannetier2543 Lmao, sure you are buddy. Is someone getting a little salty because a stranger on the internet didn't cream over their comment and take it as gospel. I'll listen to the people I can actually verify...like the people in the news story, not some random dickhead who can't take a bit of sarcasm...or understand the difference between sarcasm and "superiority" as you put it. Good job on the linguistics. Abject moron.
As new techniques are applied to archeology and more and more people become archeologists wey will know more about our deep past.
BBC has confessed that it has evaded taxes in India
And we believe you.
No it hasn't.
2023(G) “Respect and dignity.” Furthermore:
Iberia! Très ancien civilisation premières Européennes ?
El Argar, celle fut réellement la première civilisation de la méditarranéene occidentale
polak potrafiący mówić po francusku??
The evidence of massive ritual sacrifices at their last banquet suggests they committed mass suicide, either over fears of encroaching enemy or an act of repentance.
or maybe a plague.. which has existed in the region far longer than written in history
we always taken for granted the marvel of modern healthcare system, in the past if one's ever broke their leg open they might die of sepsis
untreated wound gets you killed, infection is fatal, etc.
It doesn't take much to destroy a thriving trading posts through carrier of contagious disease
Then there should be human bodies there
@nietzchan all of those are possible. However, plagues would have affected other nearby regions or trading countries as well, which doesn't seem to be the case here
@scottabc72 not necessarily, human bones usually collapse into dust after a few centuries if not perseved well. The only thing that could survive after a long time is the teeth. And there could be an explanation why they didn't find any.
then why dinosaur bones are found since trhey have millions of years?@@AM-Perspectives
It could have started with small, inconsequential things, like a disintegration of their language, such as thinking an S is the same as a Z.
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They put the livestock and other animals in there for protection from whatever was coming. It, unfortunately for them, failed, as whatever was coming was devastating. Livestock that could keep families fed for seasons are too much of a resource to be “sacrificed”. These people were not going to put religion in front of food. If they did, they had it much better off than we could imagine. In what early, hunter/ gatherer, nomadic, or even settlement style living, could you expect waste of precious resources? None. They didn’t come from nothing learning how to avoid waste, accumulate some knowledge and ownership, just to sacrifice it and waste it. That makes less than zero sense.
Tartessos = Minoan Atlantis , at least one of them
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SLOW DOWN!!! It’s impossible to follow the commentary!
I thought that so I went into settings and slowed it down.😉
The BBC is getting more and more dramatic like History Channel and NetGeo
Moze odnajdayu zaginonyh dziedzitsow Tartessosow.
Thats it??
Would that be around 477 BC then BBC ? Ouch ! This must hurt you soooo much . 😂😂
What is significant about that date?
@@iapetusmccool
They hate the term BC .
The Japanese government has a Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary named Seiji Kihara. His wife had previously been interviewed as a material witness in a murder case. However, the female detective in charge of the case was suddenly removed from the case, and the investigation headquarters was disbanded. There were suspicions that his wife may have murdered him, but it was ruled a suicide. The result was so bizarre that some have suggested that Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Seiji Kihara and the Liberal Democratic Party may have exerted pressure on the police. However, the Japanese media has not reported on this issue at all. We hope that the British Broadcasting Corporation will report the dark side of Japan with justice and journalistic spirit.
Probably not via a Spanish language clip about archaeology, though.
You don't throw a big banquet and then burn & bury your settlement before abandoning it forever in the middle of being invaded. That dog just won't hunt.
A plague of misfortunes now, that might inspire a culture to appease their gods by this sort of act. An actual plague, the sudden loss of a divine leader [high priest or godking figurehead] and a military defeat in rapid succession: that's the sort of inspiration for this sort of behaviour.
People are people: there is nothing new under the sun, just as King Solomon said long before the Tartessians "vanished." [our perspective; at the time, everyone around was probably well aware of events and knew the whys & wherefors...]
And then the old empires conveniently replaced them 🤔
Mb is like in the movies where they say negate is debt or ? They wrote out their name and everything about them so they civet it and by it
Disease , In other aaaancient cultures they burned the buildings and abandoned them
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Hello how are you doing?
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Venga españita
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According to credible African American Scholars the ancient Greeks were Sub Saharan African and the modern Greeks were primitive German tribes that appropriated ancient Greek culture claimed it as their own. Hence why Cleopatra is Sub Saharan portrayed in the factual Netflix documentary. Interesting theory should be taught in schools as part of diversity learning program.
Sadly its not in this undemocratic education system.
U r stupid
They should dub it in English, being an English News Channel.
Forget Spain - the medieval town of Chillingbourne is better. ❤❤❤
Mmm. Mystery, mystery, mystery. So, what exactly was the point of this flic? That there are excavations and we don't know anything?
Well, i knew about the Tartessians. They had a long culture of metal extraction of copper and silver in that area. They ware also involved with the Celtic trading route up to cornwall to bring the much value tin into the Mediterranean basin to produce Bronce needed during the Bronce Age.
I guess the fall of Carthage and the subsequent reduction of Metal trading with the Eastern Med must haveveen hard, but the silver and copper mied in the area ware also impottant commodities in the celtic trade routes and for the Romans.
What you describe here sonds more like a doomsday cult where a leader spent all his wealth on a blazibg feast and then died. That doesn't really make sense. I would much more point towards an environmental shift or a plague.
During the times of the black death some people had doomsday parties to go out in a blaze.
These were pre adamite humanoids. But not homosapeans. They had advanced technology. Look at all their structures. We can't create them yet. We may someday. Pyramids all around the world probably their power source.
Maybe they traveled to South America because the landscape was becoming to busy and dangerous?
I believe in the protection of greenery and animals too and live until let live. This is my motivation.
Imagine us being lost someday...
Will the aliens find us?
Probably, the Greeks started as the hired-soldier-trbies of Assyria-Phoenicia union.
PSYOPS: THE WRONG APPROACH:
Imagine what would have become of us, if the Hunters didn’t decide to cooperate and use Spears to hunt Mammoths. To climb in trees with a Torch to make it impossible to be hunted by Sabertooth tigers.
Psyops is just a spear, or a torch.
Either they hunt us, or we hunt them.
Not very informative...
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All these ruins envisage the earth core activity, after the release of gases lands will go down.
Read MAN BEING VOLUME 1: THE TRANSMISSION. Mankind’s origins. Wild read.
Were they refugees or colonists? Also Climate Change (Cooling) forced the Great Cimbrian Teutonic Migration into Southern Europe that ended in a deadly Clash with Rome.
Wouldn't it be great if the BBC vanished
Hahaha
BBC employees pursue naive or misguided youths for sexual favours.
Wouldn't it be great if the BBC uploaded their videos with comments turned off so I wouldn't have to read your imbecilic contributions?
No. You’d end up with crap like the US.
Your commie Chinese masters are pleased with your efforts
They left earth n went back to their home world
Keep digging and they will probably find the remains of the much older civilisation known as Tarshish
Intelligent people stopped having children.
Agree! Unfortunately only the stupid and irresponsible reproduce in vast numbers. The reason why humanity is becoming more idiotic by the second- bad genes and TikTok.
bbc, they evolved and mixed with other civilizations
They hate this fact, they want endogamy and freezing in one same culte, the English for you 🤷
Trust the bbc... 😂😂😂
minoans !!!
Was it man made global warming?
Ahh the 1st Great Babylonian Reset timed perfectly with a changing climate as they left the old Bronze Age.
lots of cities have vanished all over the world
nature disasters
5000 years
2500 years back
million years back
ROTATION
BC AD
we are in: natural disasters
before was: 50000 nian, 20500 nian, baiwan nian, rotation nian, bc ad nian.
@@埊 thanks i am glad you tried to understand what I've wrote
its a never ending cycle
waiting for the end
is not right
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Nothing as change in all this time ,we are waging war on urself over and over again, barbaric people we are..
So nobody has a clue. OK.
Most of all, you.
Please provide the info that I’m missing.
Thanks in advance.
But ishilam is only 1400 years old and Adam and Noah are fathers of mankind..Since they are the first humans on earth...Eek!
Hinduism was made up in the 19th century. You guys even copied Islam to make up the current state "religion". Good examples - Turban, Dupatta and blouse.
if was selfcreated, then why such ancient terms as dharma and ancient buildings?@@hawkingdawking4572