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  • Comparison of SPRUCE vs. CEDAR classical guitar sounds made by Cim Frode at Siccas Guitars. He compares a spruce Armin Hanika 1a Torres classical guitar with a cedar Armin Hanika 1a Torres classical guitar.
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  • @gb8327
    @gb8327 4 роки тому +316

    Remember that the optimal number of guitars is one more than you currently have, so the elegant solution is simply to get one of each...

    • @jjson775
      @jjson775 3 роки тому +8

      I have a Rozas cedar top and a Hill Hauser with a spruce top. For a long time I preferred the cedar top but now, after it aged, the Hill sounds better.

    • @reyne8424
      @reyne8424 3 роки тому

      Thank you for understanding!

    • @billionaire1228
      @billionaire1228 3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for good comparision content!!
      I have both of them too
      I love bright treble of sprues & deep bass of cedar

    • @topneorej
      @topneorej 3 роки тому +2

      Of course you need at least 5000$ to reach your optimal number of guitars XD

    • @ianrena1
      @ianrena1 3 роки тому

      @@jjson775 Oh no, so the topics spreaded along the internet about "Cedar may deteriorate its sound when it aged, while spruce will sound better, is true??

  • @scottzorc9693
    @scottzorc9693 4 роки тому +245

    Cedar sounds darker,more mysterious and romantic to me. Spruce sounds brighter, livelier and clearer. For me, romantic songs on the cedar. Lively and energetic songs on the spruce.

    • @glennlubomirskynovitch3254
      @glennlubomirskynovitch3254 4 роки тому +2

      I ' thouroughtly agree with you

    • @adlib8096
      @adlib8096 4 роки тому +8

      Like bach and scarlatti on german spruce and villa lobos on cedar?😉 🤓

    • @damanyou
      @damanyou 4 роки тому +1

      i agree as well!

    • @nat.serrano
      @nat.serrano 3 роки тому +2

      Best response

    • @lizdelisle1912
      @lizdelisle1912 3 роки тому

      Scott Zorc I agree with you completely.

  • @gerhardbinkele3753
    @gerhardbinkele3753 4 роки тому +142

    Jump directly to
    Marieta 'Mazurka' (Francisco Tárrega)
    CEDAR: 0:59 SPURCE: 1:45
    Spanische Romanze:
    CEDAR: 2:34 SPURCE: 3:10
    3rd piece:
    CEDAR: 3:48 SPURCE: 4:27
    H. Villa-Lobos - Prélude No.3:
    CEDAR: 5:07 SPURCE: 6:02
    5rd piece:
    CEDAR: 6:58 SPURCE: 7:58
    El Testament D'Amelia (Trad. arr. Miguel Llobet):
    CEDAR: 9:01 SPURCE: 9:46
    ... my personal favorite is still the spurce - but as always - "it depends...". 😉
    By the way.... very good performance Cim Frode !!! 👍

    • @nicksalter3954
      @nicksalter3954 4 роки тому +4

      What is the third piece? It's lovely!

    • @bandotube
      @bandotube 4 роки тому +1

      Gerhard Binkele day

    • @tobyrogers3810
      @tobyrogers3810 3 роки тому

      @@nicksalter3954 I would love to know also! If someone knows please comment

    • @nicksalter3954
      @nicksalter3954 3 роки тому +6

      @@tobyrogers3810 I was able to track this down - it's called Forest Rain by Cim himself

    • @damned1156
      @damned1156 3 роки тому +1

      Spurce?

  • @daimon7779
    @daimon7779 4 роки тому +40

    The cedar have more emotional sound, for me.

  • @MasterofTongs
    @MasterofTongs 4 роки тому +24

    Simply put, cedar is soulful, and spruce is sunny.

  • @juliantosi6478
    @juliantosi6478 4 роки тому +59

    Cedar forever

  • @csnelling4
    @csnelling4 4 роки тому +52

    As an older person, the spruce is for me and my hearing. The sound of each note is brighter an clearer than the cedar but both are good in their own right. Nice playing thank you 👏👏👏👍🇬🇧

    • @bh69videa
      @bh69videa 3 роки тому +8

      yes, cedar is interesting at first but a bit too muffled, there is something a bit "dirty" in sound for me compared to spruce which is more like "clear air". And spruce will be better with time :-)

    • @ManwithAx
      @ManwithAx 3 роки тому +3

      Spruce each note has clarity but can seem brittle especially in upper registers. Cedar is warmer but can be muddy and muddled.

    • @bradleymoyer5236
      @bradleymoyer5236 10 місяців тому

      What’s the song at 5:08

  • @palitolitola
    @palitolitola 4 роки тому +28

    I love both !!! Each one has its own special voice and depth for specific situations. It’s great to have the opportunity to check the difference coming from such a great player.

  • @lizdelisle1912
    @lizdelisle1912 3 роки тому +45

    I love dark wood, so my guitars are both cedar. I was thinking about a spruce guitar in the future, but after hearing these two guitars in your demo, I think I'll stay with cedar!

    • @johnlay3040
      @johnlay3040 2 роки тому +6

      I have a spruce and cedar too. But it was not until I bought another spruce one that I realized what I had been missing. Period music sounds better on spruce, but Romantic on cedar.

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 6 місяців тому

      ​@@johnlay3040i have had cedar for the past 30 years and just got a double spruce top rafal turkowiak and it has blown me away. my cedar top brazilian rosewood back and sides guitar is comfortably resting in the case now.

    • @johnlay3040
      @johnlay3040 6 місяців тому

      @@louiscyfer6944 I have a DT with spruce outside and cedar inside. DT is a guitar with a very different personality. It is loud and outgoing. It is a kind of guitar that you cannot stop playing until your finger joints start to ache. But the normal Spanish guitar has its own beauty. I have Spruce Kohno and Bernabe, and Cedar Asturias guitars which I equally love. I play them in rotation. Don't keep a guitar in the case for too long without playing it, because it might become blotchy underneath the varnish.

  • @FlorentinoGarcia-rx3hs
    @FlorentinoGarcia-rx3hs 10 місяців тому +10

    I like the brightness and clarity of the spruce however for me the balance & warmth of the cedar top throughout the range wins it for me. Great job!

  • @joeldespain3597
    @joeldespain3597 4 роки тому +12

    Cedar for personal performance and recording. Spruce for concerts, I think it will be heard more clearly in the hall.

  • @jkelly2478
    @jkelly2478 3 роки тому +13

    Cedar strikes my ear as soft warm and romantic, whereas spruce has a hard clarity which strikes my ear harder.

  • @rineric3214
    @rineric3214 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for your CLEAR and well-punctuated and probably proof-read message. I haven't been able to afford to have my luthier make one yet, but the experiment will go through as soon as I can afford it. The two different woods may not join well or some other unforeseen problem will manifest, but it could be something good. The fact that it isn't popular yet doesn't dampen my enthusiasm for the possibility.

  • @pieterlabuschagne7507
    @pieterlabuschagne7507 2 місяці тому +2

    In your hands both sounds fantastic!!

  • @asdfjklol
    @asdfjklol Рік тому

    This is the best comparison of it's type on UA-cam. Well done.

  • @percipience2758
    @percipience2758 Рік тому +6

    You made them both sound so nice, I cannot decide. One passage seemed to please my ear more with spruce and another with cedar.

    • @Goku17yen
      @Goku17yen Рік тому +2

      I think both are also 9-10k guitars which probably helps a lot regardless of the top lol. Personally I think the spruce sounds better here

  • @pinewaves
    @pinewaves 3 роки тому +11

    For this particular demonstration, I prefer the Cedar. It just a warmer and brighter sound to my eyes. The look of both guitars are fantastic!

  • @DanielOliveiraViolao
    @DanielOliveiraViolao 4 роки тому +11

    My favorite is Cedar, on song and looks. Very good comparison!

  • @deanpenny8456
    @deanpenny8456 4 роки тому +50

    Cedar is immediately warmer but a bit muddied, whereas Spruce is clearer and brighter, but will mellow given time. I suspect these guitars are relatively young? But has to be Spruce for me.

    • @lucagallerani131
      @lucagallerani131 3 роки тому +1

      I agree

    • @ww3032
      @ww3032 3 роки тому +1

      I'm new here. Does it mellow only if you play on it, or does it mellow even when left on the shop shelf by itself?

    • @dordoby1979
      @dordoby1979 3 роки тому +1

      @@ww3032 if you play on it of course

    • @jeffhedges848
      @jeffhedges848 3 роки тому +1

      @@ww3032 The consensus is that aging is essentially the loss of fluid from the wood’s cells. Heat and vibration accelerate the process, though it still occurs naturally. Interestingly, keeping a guitar in a sealed environment (its case), would limit this greatly. We now have artificial methods of achieving that as well as the time-honored method of playing (see Torrification, et al).

    • @ww3032
      @ww3032 3 роки тому

      @@jeffhedges848 wouldn't the loss of fluid make it dry and brittle though? And thats why they tell us to keep the guitar away from the sun or warm places.

  • @StephiSensei26
    @StephiSensei26 2 роки тому +2

    Nice demo. Been playing Cedar all these years and it's only gotten better with age. My new guitar has a Spruce top. Can't wait to have the choice. Thanks.

  • @johnlay3040
    @johnlay3040 2 роки тому +1

    This is the best comparison I have ever come across. Thank you. Both woods have their own beauty. It suits different mood. But not all spruces are the same. There is a big difference between German spruce and Engelmann. Also between Sitka and the other two.

  • @bettyblades169
    @bettyblades169 4 роки тому +2

    Both are so beautiful, and beautifully played. I have a cedar top guitar, but I prefer the spruce for its bright clarity.

  • @snowfiresunwind
    @snowfiresunwind 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent video and beautiful playing by Cim. I'd have one of each please!

  • @brianbowersox8392
    @brianbowersox8392 3 роки тому +1

    Great video! I love the way both look. I typically am drawn more to cedar when I hear it, but it really depends on the style of music being played.

  • @robertsen7268
    @robertsen7268 4 роки тому +42

    I like ceder better. The sound is much warmer. The look isn't important to me, it's only a matter of taste. By the way, you are a brilliant guitar player.

    • @MrNurutomo
      @MrNurutomo 4 роки тому +2

      I like spruce

    • @datdang9113
      @datdang9113 3 роки тому +1

      I think the cedar guitar in this video sounds just as warm. These 2 guitars are expensive, I can tell from the sound and both sound great but for cheaper ones like Cordoba C5, spruce version sounds a lot better

  • @lenmusic123
    @lenmusic123 4 роки тому +5

    In this video, I have a preference for the spruce as being more defined/detailed, but yes the cedar is warmer overall - both guitars are wonderful! I am about to buy a Hanika :)

  • @TA-SEN
    @TA-SEN 2 роки тому +12

    bravo, great playing. The cedar is beautiful by itself because it is full and warm sounding. If I were recording classical with more instruments I would use the spruce because it would stick out more and leave more space for other instruments. But just in its own the cedar is phenomenal!

  • @locngo
    @locngo Рік тому +2

    Phenomenal performance. I ended up buying both.

  • @juanortiz7745
    @juanortiz7745 Рік тому +1

    This is not fair, you made both of them sound just beautiful.

  • @gcswargari
    @gcswargari 2 роки тому +1

    I like both Cedar and Spruce. Beautifully played and enjoyed all the pieces.....👌♥️

  • @dimbulb5441
    @dimbulb5441 3 роки тому +1

    Each would compliment compositions in their own specific way.
    They both sounded great.

  • @mattelliottmusic
    @mattelliottmusic Рік тому

    Beautiful playing and nice choice of music

  • @spectrumifs
    @spectrumifs 2 роки тому +3

    Very subtle difference between the cedar and spruce. Cedar is more mellow almost like it has a natural slight reverb built into the wood. Spruce is brighter, sharper with distinct note separation. Both are nice. Great playing!

  • @vernonlacey4217
    @vernonlacey4217 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks so much for this interesting video. I always like the sound of top quality spruce. In my personal experience it can create a special clarity and separation, and if played with finesse can produce the sound of a cedar. OK - I have played a Bernabe 50 and this was a very special guitar I thought no spruce could emulate. Aesthetically the spruce guitar for me wins. Great playing - very evocative!

  • @Diego_SoundDesigner
    @Diego_SoundDesigner 2 місяці тому +1

    Great comparisson!!!!

  • @epipen22
    @epipen22 3 роки тому +1

    They both sound great. That is why I need one of each.

  • @attilakovacs5803
    @attilakovacs5803 2 роки тому +16

    I cannot decide. Both are amazing guitars, the examples are lovely and the player is a brilliant, sensitive guitarist. The cedar guitar is mellower, more serius, a bit woody and rustic sometimes, the spruce is cleaner, a bit more fresh and playful, but this particular spruce guitar has shorter sustain than the cedar guitar. The actual tone also depends of the player's touch. I must note that I've never heard a cedar top guitar with so bright ringing trebles.

  • @rersr
    @rersr 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you for the beautiful demonstration. I'm a jazz player with asperation to play classical. Both sound great but the cedar sounds rounder/bigger to me. I'll buy the cedar.

  • @johancolson2678
    @johancolson2678 4 роки тому +3

    I like spruce more than cedar because it sounds brighter. When I choose strings, I always go to the brighter ones. BTW you are a very good guitar player.

  • @QueenJeremy
    @QueenJeremy 2 роки тому +1

    My personal favorite is Cedar, because of the brown, smoky look look it has. And when it's combined with Indian Rosewood back and sides, MMMM! I love the color combination. Especially when it's glossy. I also like the warmer sound it has to it, but mostly just the looks. My ideal guitar would be a Cedar top, with Indian Rosewood back and sides.
    I liked your video, very nice.

  • @StevePedersonOfficial
    @StevePedersonOfficial 3 роки тому +2

    Well, the logical conclusion is that you'd need one of each! Some songs lend themselves very nicely to a more mellow sounding guitar, others to a brighter sounding guitar. I like spruce for its "honky" midrange. It's got attitude. The cedar in these examples, except for the last one for some reason, seemed to have a muted midrange. It almost felt claustrophobic. After that, the spruce felt like I was coming up for air. On the last piece, though, definitely the cedar. Thanks for the comparison and the beautiful playing!

  • @nogoogleplus
    @nogoogleplus Рік тому

    Man that 1st piece is great, never heard that one before….beautifully played

  • @michealleeyoung4482
    @michealleeyoung4482 4 роки тому +8

    Cedar for me,louder and sweeter,spruce less volume but sweet,too.

  • @weaselpopper
    @weaselpopper 4 роки тому +4

    Spruce tight and clear projection great for playing with others. Cedar warm and full great for solo playing.

  • @ThePdxster
    @ThePdxster 3 роки тому

    I prefer the richer look of the cedar top, but by far the sound of spruce. Thank you so much for the comparison!

  • @WilliamJohnston
    @WilliamJohnston 3 роки тому +14

    In all but one of these demos I preferred cedar (I preferred spruce in the Villa Lobos example, possibly because that's what I expect to hear when I hear that piece). As others have noted, the spruce here sounded dry, a bit thin, and to my ear notably shorter sustain in the trebles. I know this is something that many argue comes with time (I have experience of a spruce guitar opening up nicely), but it's one of these 'gambles' guitarists take on the promise that a guitar will 'some day' get magically better, and I feel is often abused by people selling them. Whether it's spruce or cedar I'd still strongly promote ensuring you connect with the guitar you're trying for what it is now rather than waiting, hoping it will drastically change.

  • @kaori-3882
    @kaori-3882 Рік тому +1

    I love both and it is interesting to hear when Cedar is made brighter like in your video - Nemanja Bogunovic performs his composition "Valse Amoroso" on a 2022 Teodoro Perez "Especial"

  • @dstdenis01
    @dstdenis01 4 роки тому +5

    Nice playing! Good selection of excerpts for comparison too. They both sound good, and I'd be happy to own either guitar.
    I think the excerpts that tended toward a naturally brighter sound because of how they were written sounded better on the cedar. Likewise, those excerpts that tended toward a naturally more mellow sound because of how they were written sounded better on the spruce. It's like the brighter spruce guitar made the mellower tunes sound better and the more mellow cedar guitar made the brighter tunes sound better. It's like opposites attract to produce a better result.
    The interesting case is what happens when you play a bright sounding excerpt on the brighter spruce guitar. Is it too bright? No, I think it still sounds good, and it seems it's possible to take off some of the brightness with technique so the sound isn't too ping-y. But what about a mellow excerpt on the mellow cedar guitar. Is it too muddy? In this case, yes, I think it does lose some definition and clarity. I think one could compensate by playing with a brighter, clearer articulation, but this might be more difficult to accomplish than taking brightness out of the sound of the spruce guitar.
    For that reason, I would prefer the spruce as an all-around guitar, although I think they both sound great.

    • @jonathankrieger9121
      @jonathankrieger9121 Рік тому +1

      Do you know the name of the pieces he played? They were all wonderful. I'm new to classical guitar...

  • @JesusWouldHaveBeenASocialist
    @JesusWouldHaveBeenASocialist 4 роки тому

    More comparisons, yes please!

  • @sethfreer6496
    @sethfreer6496 4 роки тому +3

    Good playing!

  • @horatiodreamt
    @horatiodreamt 2 роки тому

    Excellent vid.

  • @michaeldavidrubin8823
    @michaeldavidrubin8823 4 роки тому +1

    Well, I've always preferred spruce, so that is just one man's view. Also, although the idea of this comparison via video is useful as education for us all, it really is just one more sonic experience that is "translated" by audio engineering (not a criticism). So, one must play & listen, to form one's preference, in real time, live & in person. Again, very nice thought; & quite beautifully played by Cim Frode. Worth more than one listen.

  • @JoseOchoa-dw9vk
    @JoseOchoa-dw9vk 4 роки тому +3

    Spruce is my choice. I would like a video comparing lattice double top versus traditional tops.

  • @jamesdiffley9852
    @jamesdiffley9852 4 роки тому +3

    Your performance here is perfect! Great talent. Thank you for this study! I enjoy comparisons, even tho (as with my selection of sterio systems) each will sound "perfect" when not heard side by side.
    Perhaps the style of music would be the basis for choice? Romantic, historic, sad, mysterious tend to be for cedar while fast, energetic (flaminco) might be for spruce. AS a personal choice, I really like the looks of wood and the wood grains. Cedar usually always gives that while spruce often not so much. Additionally, some modern spruce tops have a "too whitish look" of laminate which is not appealing to me. The sound however is the determining factor always. Please do more comparisons like this. Perhaps same guitars with different strings? Also, perhaps you might establish some "specific criteria" for the industry whereby all comparisons would use the same strings and the same music selection. So that forever we could have more identical comparisons. Playing different music and different strings always changes the basis for comparison. Thanks, again, Cim for this brilliant study and performance!

  • @fuji3112
    @fuji3112 4 роки тому +2

    I have a spruce one so I wanted to say “Spruce”, but after watching this video I want to get a cedar one.
    Both of these have good points. What I only know is Mr.Cim is great.

    • @braulios3386
      @braulios3386 4 роки тому

      Hahaha in mi case is vice versa, i have a cedar one and now i want a spruce one

  • @Billbobaker
    @Billbobaker Рік тому +3

    I like both equally and they are very different. Cedar is darker but lovely spruce is very bright and loud.

  • @51Dss
    @51Dss 3 роки тому +3

    for the purpose of this comparison the cedar was more pleasing to my ear. The spruce seemed a bit sharp - a touch too bright although incredibly articulate. The cedar has much better balance top to bottom and articulation was perfect. Videos like this always leave me thinking about how I could never buy one because they are very high above my range of affordability...but I watch the video anyhow because I very much enjoy the music that comes out of a high quality guitar in the hands of a talented and skilled player.

  • @NestanSvensk
    @NestanSvensk 4 роки тому

    I did not expect to be able to hear the difference, but now I'm Team Cedar for life!

  • @johannbach2725
    @johannbach2725 4 роки тому

    Fascinating comparison! Normally I prefer spruce but actually I think the cedar guitar here sounds richer and fuller...

  • @jtelevenoyd1571
    @jtelevenoyd1571 3 роки тому +6

    Maybe it's my aging ears or my background in steel-string guitar, but to me the spruce sounds better defined and more balanced between treble and bass.

  • @alanturner3551
    @alanturner3551 4 роки тому +3

    For me, the cedar is much warmer and more intimate. Much to be preferred for a classical guitar.

  • @andrewthomas7544
    @andrewthomas7544 3 роки тому +5

    Having had a cedar since the 1970's, and being very used to the 'mellow, honey' tones, I wanted to get more of a 'bright, earthy, raw flamenco' type of sound, with a brighter bass, not so woolly, so I went for a thinner body, spruce top Ibanez, amplified through a CUBE practice amp. Wow. I'm totally hooked!!

  • @daliborkosar1178
    @daliborkosar1178 4 роки тому +1

    To me Spruce is both pleasant to hear and look at. Clarity of sound and natural wood tone is my preferred choice.

  • @fpevdm9758
    @fpevdm9758 4 роки тому +2

    I like the sound of both spruce and cedar, maybe the spruce is slightly neater, and I definitely prefer spruce also in terms of aesthetics for its lighter colour.

  • @2011Noud
    @2011Noud 3 роки тому

    It also depends on the piece played what would be your favourite wood for the soundboard. I did a lot of comparison
    between the two and besides that different luthiers: Eladio Molina - Vicente Arias - Salvador Ibanez - Julian Gomez Ramirez
    Juan Estruch - Jose Ramirez II - Jose Ramirez III - Higher end Telesforo Julve - Antonio Duran Ferrer - Antonio Marin Montero -
    Manuel Contreras - Francisco Esteve Concert - Thomas Prisloe and my conclusion: They all sounded a bit like "me"! But a
    nice performance anyway!

  • @Larry30102
    @Larry30102 4 роки тому +1

    As you mentioned, it all depends on the builder. I have an older spruce and a cedar. I’ve tried various strings and with the cedar, and the inner voices seem to get lost. Of course it’s warmer, but for me I can achieve warmth on the spruce as satisfactory with technique.

  • @chrisdavidson8525
    @chrisdavidson8525 3 роки тому

    The beautiful thing about this comparison is your playing - your technique and clean playing lets the instruments ring out so the differences are heard. I wonder that these are rather young guitars? It would be nice to hear them having aged a little. Great video though - I'm torn between what I like better!

  • @walterbeekman9825
    @walterbeekman9825 4 роки тому +2

    Sometimes when you pick up a guitar it speaks to you. Music just starts flowing and you know that this is the guitar. I prefer the sound of the cedar. It sounds more Spanish to me. The Spruce has brighter, clearer trebles. Spruce is probably louder.

  • @lumella4228
    @lumella4228 3 роки тому +3

    I love spruce! It's more lively, because it changes with the player :) For me, spruce is also better, because it isn't as direct as cedar 'cause I play very direct too. My guitar is a Hanika CF 58 and I'm just addicted to her^^

  • @nicolasgarcia7305
    @nicolasgarcia7305 2 роки тому

    Abeto - spruce always, it is just brighter then cedro- cedar. Great video!

  • @josejcastaneda5826
    @josejcastaneda5826 3 роки тому

    I have a Kohno # 10 with spruce top, built in the 70’s. It is a wonderful sounding guitar. I bought a production La Patrie Collection with Canadian Cedar. I played them both, but, not a lot. I had put them both away for over a year. I didn’t play them at all. I decided to get back to those guitars and I was very pleasantly surprised by La Patrie. I bought it new 4 years ago and now it has opened up. It took 4 years for the Cedar top to open up. It has more volume, clarity, harmonics and richer tone. Now I prefer the tone of that Cedar top. I guess Cedar can take a lot longer to open up. But, when it does, you will very much notice it. It will make you think that you have a totally different guitar. As far as the volume, I think the spruce top sounds like it has more. But, it is just that the brilliance cuts through a lot more. That very same brighter tone in the spruce might not let you hear a deeper, darker, richer tone that the cedar might offer you. I mean that is what I have experienced in the last 4!years of owning both tops.

  • @alanturner3551
    @alanturner3551 4 роки тому +1

    By the way, the recording quality of your videos is phenomenal. Might I ask what microphone(s) you use?

  • @1funkybasslady
    @1funkybasslady 3 роки тому

    When listening to this comparison I scrolled down so as not to be able to see which guitar was being played so as not be be influenced by the appearance of the guitar. During the performance on each instrument I would consider my impressions then scroll up to see which guitar was being demonstrated. I always chose the cedar-topped instrument as my favorite. Both are beautiful, however I prefer the cedar for the "sweetness" of the first three strings(E, B, G) and the depth of the bottom three strings (D, A, E). Also, the timbre seems more even across all strings as compared with the spruce-topped instrument.
    To my ear the cedar lends a fullness and depth to the timbre that is missing with the spruce. I think that if one wants to "brighten up" a cedar topped instrument, they can do so with different strings/tension. As always, it all comes down to the individual musician's perception and favored voice of the instrument.
    Adi.

  • @jarthurpaxton9223
    @jarthurpaxton9223 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for this! Well done. I'll only say as one more acquainted with flamenco that spruce is best suited for that. Perhaps cedar is preferable in general for classical styles.

  • @skyemoz6559
    @skyemoz6559 4 роки тому +1

    Spruce!!! Bell like tones. Clarity. Cedar is nice but a bit muddy and plasticy on the treble strings. But both are great. Just comes down to what you prefer. Best to own one of each! Great playing

  • @markus-hermannkoch1740
    @markus-hermannkoch1740 3 роки тому

    2:34 an honest thanks for actually comparing using 'Romanza'! It gives amateurs like me a familiar point of reference.

  • @lukthere2
    @lukthere2 4 роки тому +1

    Its give the edge to spruce in terms of looks (thr headstock on both of these is so gorgeous btw), audio wise i have no idea, youtube destroys audio so it would be unfair to judge these 2 beautiful sounding instruments like this..

  • @VALLAERION
    @VALLAERION 3 роки тому +2

    I definitely feel a more tense feeling in my heart with cedar, spruce makes my heart more jolly.

  • @ogwilym
    @ogwilym 3 роки тому +1

    The dynamic range and note separation of spruce bests cedar every time for me

  • @zympf
    @zympf 3 роки тому

    yes, more comparisons please

  • @theunheardprophet4315
    @theunheardprophet4315 2 роки тому

    I'd love to hear a Lattice versus Torres comparison. I used the recordings of your tonebank and playing a guitar live to decide between a Hanika Lattice and Torres.

  • @pascalbrault3942
    @pascalbrault3942 4 роки тому

    I am playing on a 2012 spruce guitar which opens since 2 years. I find, hearing this comparison, that spruce sounds deeper too, I nevertheless like the cedar sound too, even if there are overlaps. But the guitarist is very impressive.

  • @JDrwal2
    @JDrwal2 3 роки тому +12

    Cedar - no doubt
    Spruce sounds kind of dry, less depth in the tone.

  • @TatianaBalashova
    @TatianaBalashova 3 роки тому +3

    One thing for sure - I need both 😂 they are so gorgeous 😍! Cedar is deeper and grounded and spruce sounded more subtle and emotional to me. Wonder if the way you play also affects it?
    Btw are these 8K+ euro guitars?! 🤨 then I can just relax and keep learning (by watching youtube videos 🤓)

  • @patrickdunavan9113
    @patrickdunavan9113 4 роки тому +4

    It all depends on the individual musical piece and the mood that you are projecting. Each sound beautiful in their own way. I have cedar...but now I want both!!!😂

  • @locngo
    @locngo Рік тому

    Phenominal performace btw. Wow

  • @JoseLedesmaArg
    @JoseLedesmaArg 4 роки тому +1

    I have always have spruce top guitars, but both tops sound great! The high notes in the spruce have something like a "slap"

  • @paul_domici
    @paul_domici 4 роки тому +1

    I like the sound of Spruce! It's brighter, crisper and louder, Bit I think Cedar looks beautiful!

  • @toybonniesfm
    @toybonniesfm Рік тому

    I looove the look of cedar but I love how bright the spruce sounds. I love how bright acoustic sounds but it’s more fun to play on a classical in my opinion.

  • @xoxb2
    @xoxb2 3 роки тому +2

    I prefer cedar, not just in this video but in real life too. It is, as others have said, warmer, but I also find that it sounds purer and more piano-ey. Spruce, as in this video, sounds a bit stringy, it has the same issue you get with steel strings that the instrument comes between you and the note, whereas the cedar is pure and immediate.

  • @fguimara
    @fguimara 4 роки тому +3

    I prefer the sound of the abeto (spruce), which is a little brighter and also sustains the sound longer than cedro (cedar). That little difference touches my soul deeper. I wouldn't know how to describe it better than that. In addiction, I think the looks of spruce is more beaultiful, as well.

    • @sachaburki8535
      @sachaburki8535 10 місяців тому

      agree with sound, but not sustain. Cedar have morec sustain, thats why most players took spruce instead of less good sound.

  • @W1NGXER0
    @W1NGXER0 4 роки тому +5

    The spruce appears to be brighter and seems to have somewhat less sustain. The cedar seems to resonate more and appears to have less clarity.

  • @luisdent
    @luisdent 2 роки тому

    you have such a beautiful touch...

  • @williamdavies6958
    @williamdavies6958 4 роки тому

    Cedar is more evenly toned to lower end, spruce is more open mid tone and highs. I like both but find one or the other is better with certain music and mood. thanks for sharing you are a great guitarist.

  • @dagsundin
    @dagsundin 4 роки тому +1

    I have both a cedar and a spruce guitar. I use mainly the spruce guitar for baroque and music till F. Sor but my cedar for romantic and new music. I prefer though the bells on the spruce guitar - clearer sound. The looks of my cedar guitar is better, I prefer the darker time.

  • @graytonw5238
    @graytonw5238 4 роки тому +1

    In my case, when you get past 60 you lose the ability to pick up the subtle differences in sound (at least in my case), but the spruce sounds a little brighter to me. Cedar always seemed warmer, both in sound and appearance, and that's been my preference for the 2 guitars I own.

  • @rineric3214
    @rineric3214 4 роки тому +8

    I want to make a dual-wood guitar with cedar on the bottom for bass response and spruce on the top for treble. Cedar is the bass wood and spruce is the treble wood.

    • @BS38114
      @BS38114 4 роки тому

      Good idea. I have seen something like that on a Ukulele with Koa-Mango

    • @ClassicalPan
      @ClassicalPan 3 роки тому +1

      Do you mean cedar inside and spruce outside? Jeff Sigurdson does that with his double-top guitars.

    • @rineric3214
      @rineric3214 3 роки тому +1

      @@ClassicalPan No, but what a cool idea! I never thought of that. Traditionally, guitar tops are two separate pieces glued together. Two well-matched cuts of spruce OR two well-matched cuts of cedar. I am proposing one cut of cedar that would rest on your leg and one cut of spruce that would be close to your face. Cedar is good for bass.
      Spruce is good for treble. Best of both worlds. Jeff's idea is way cool, too. Double-top like Elvis? Manuel Ramos?

    • @ClassicalPan
      @ClassicalPan 3 роки тому

      @@rineric3214 That's an interesting idea. I'd never thought of that. I'm guessing it doesn't work since we haven't seen it. 🤔
      Many luthiers do double-top guitars now. I'm personally not a fan of them, toneally, but they're great for touring guitarists because they remain toneally consistent in any climate.

  • @dennisaguirre297
    @dennisaguirre297 3 роки тому +6

    So, are you recommending me to buy both of them? I'll tell my wife.

  • @robertroot3790
    @robertroot3790 4 роки тому +1

    Yes, the spruce is more open, brighter...less mysterious or warm as Scott & Robert noted last week. But I prefer the spruce.

  • @guitar_noodle
    @guitar_noodle 3 роки тому +1

    I have both tops on guitars that are about 20yrs old. Though both sound beautiful, Cedar always has that sweet sound my ears gravitate towards. And as a player I feel I play much better on Cedar as it’s sound is so inspiring. However, I think depending on the piece one plays it might sound better on one vs the other.